Dr. Mindwrecker

This is a great list, thank you.

I dont think anyone is talking in circles.
TV.TV is as much a part of this extension as anything else.
And I agree with EQ you can brand anything in a wide variety of different ways.

SKG

In my opinion, .tv.tv is viable in such strong keywords. Some of these are generating decent traffic so for even that purpose alone they have value. I was very fortunate to pick many up early on:

SportsTV.tv
BlogTV.tv
SexoTV.tv
GameTV.tv
GamesTV.tv
FreePornTV.tv
JeuTV.tv
JeuxTV.tv

My biggest traffic domain so far above has been SexoTV.tv which gets around 1500 uniques a month when I had it parked at Sedo.

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antonis12

I agree with this statement above. I would struggle to wrap my head around a major project on a XXXXTV.Tv particularly if the XXXX.tv is available.

Of course you can brand anything with sufficient dollars as Ray said. But if I am spending sufficient dollars (e.g. XXX,XXX or X,XXX,XXX) to brand something, then then why not also buy the .tv as well. You are not going to "brand" anything with X,XXX or even XX,XXX IMHO.

I know the people like GOL and OWN have done exactly this, but that does not necessarily mean it is the best thought out decision. Big companies do idiotic things with domains all the time.

I am not arguing that there isn't X,XXX to XX,XXX value in some keywordTv.tv and certainly sextv.tv is a great name just because "sex" is the best keyword in the world so any variant of it is pretty OK but once you get into "normal" keywords, I think this is more a traffic or reselling play than a "launch a major development" play.
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just my 2 cents.

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Dr. Mindwrecker

Then why is MTV.TV developed?


Thankyou for sharing this information SKG. You are always very helpful and honest with your posts and business transactions on here. That is some very nice traffic.

equity78

I am glad to see you doing well with them SKG that first post on TV.tv back in 2006 has done well for a lot of people on here from the feedback I have read or gotten in a pm.

Antonis you make a good points as well although I do not think when I first wrote about tv.tv it was for a major brand. It was another niche play in great keywords to reg some domains where you could make 10 to 100 times your money. I know you picked up a couple that were $110 Premium so you must see some value in them.

Sexotv.tv for $25 getting 1500 uniques a month is a good deal, and developed it would probably grow traffic with SEO so that is well worth the $25 IMO

Girlstv.tv gets offers all the time mostly low but one $2000. But even the low would be 10 to 20 times the reg.

Roy has built a great Sports tv.tv line up with just about every sport. And as .tv grows so will tv.tv and I do not think its idiotic to use for a copr site when Verisign wants to charge outrgeous premiums on some, they tried to rip off GOL instead of being $500 they made it $5000. The premium system is what IMO helps the growth of tv.tv because plenty will not pay the premium fee and renewal. Again IMO

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antonis12

umm..."MTV" is the company's name. it is more logical than www.m.tv in my opinion.

their US site is MTV.com and so it is perfectly parallel.

That is 100% correct Ray. I do see value in them. But we should not get carried away.

XX,XXX sales are rare in regular .tv and are going to be very rare in tv.tv for the time being. I mean look at the post right above this one where porntv.tv was just bought for less than $1,000. i doubt anyone would sell porn.tv for less than $100K if it were a non-premium.

and mostly I wanted to agree with Lance's point that I would think long and hard before putting a major development and branding effort behind a *tv.tv.
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for example. I come from cyprus and have ayianapa.tv which is the major beach resort. someone developed ayianapatv.tv. i think he is exposed to me developing. and if we were both branding at the same time, I think I would win a lot more of his mistyped traffic than the opposite.

again, it all depends what your budget is. if your total development budget is X,XXX or low XX,XXX then it makes sense to spend the money on developing a tv.tv instead of paying premium fees on the .tv. it would be different if your development budget is xxx,xxx...

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MillersCrossing

And that is the point I was trying to make aswell all along.

Jack,

Well done on PornTV.TV, but again - massive keyword under 1k. These buying of tv.tv is purely for flip or personal development...no normal company is going to cough up 35k for ANY tv.tv. They will offer very low xxxx for the very best tv.tv and that is as good as it gets..

I have some tv.tvs, but am happy if i get 10 to 100 times ROI meaning a top sale of $2500, but anything higher is pie in the sky.....

i own sjtv.tv, dctv.tv,lvtv.tv, wholesaletv.tv, tradeshowstv.tv, closeoutstv.tv, auctionstv.tv, thailandtv.tvand sanjosetv.tv....but that is it for me........

equity78

LVtv.tv is very nice, IMO

Porntv.tv again was bought by a domainer, I do not think you can expect big $$$ I agree. This started with SEXtv.tv and I could see in a good market an end user paying $20,000 unless the user wanted to get creative because many variations on sex are taken mysex.tv sextv1.tv sexchannel.tv channelsex.tv sexotv.tv sexytv.tv, SO for an end user I could see that price tag. What goes on in the domainer world never should enter into values especially in the .tv domainer world. Just not that much money being spent. Again IMO

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Dr. Mindwrecker

Maybe its time to start talking about traffic and premium renewal fee's LOL

For PornTV.TV:

How does 300-400 type ins per month sound?

How about 30-40% click through rates?

Names like this are dangerous because they are highly legitimate keywords and do not have renewal fee's up the yin yang.

EQ is right, this was a domainers purchase and I can tell you traffic is increasing.

I wonder how many undeveloped premium .tv names are getting that many uniques?

MillersCrossing

Seriously though Jack, i think you will sell for at least $2k within three years - but to an end user - which is where i disagree with eq...who thinks there are end users out threre willing to pay xx,xxx for top 10 keyword tv.tv - i disagree big time - only an end user would consider $2k range, domainers have already made their profit by selling it to you!.....

different opinions are good and healthy....time will tell......and for the life of me i cannot understand the reasoning behnd owntv.tv......even if it cost 1$ and own.tv a million........still shaking my head on that one........maybe oprah is feeling the financial heat after donating all that cash to the obama campaighn!!

equity78

First off what I really care about is that people make money the tv.tv discussion started here ( Not that there were not some already regged, I mean discussed as an investment idea) So I am glad to see people doing well.

SKG is certainly doing well
Roy has quite a collection
Lance has done well with Pokertv.tv
Girlstv.tv has had 6 offers $250 to $2000
Jack has an excellent buy
Antonis has some good ones
PhoenixSuns has a couple traffic ones
I think a lot of people have some decent Geotv.tv
Poodle has PODtv.tv
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You have a nice one in LVTV.tv
That's what the first thread was all about. Now to discuss XX,XXX yes I believe for SEX and Porn not all top 10 James do I think could see $20,000 maybe $10,000 but sex and porn have so many variations taken. Now Business great keyword but a lot of variations still avail. Example I regged BusinessOnline.tv for $25 last week. So I would not pay $20,000 for Business but an end user may pay $10,000 with the outrageous fee of Business.tv

Again IMO

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Dr. Mindwrecker

I think over time the traffic numbers on some of these keyword tv.tv names are going to make some people think twice about what they are regging.

Make no mistake about it, they read this forum and changed newstv.tv to $1000 premium for a reason.

There is alot of things you can do with tv.tv and it only costs $25 a year.

In my opinion, tv.tv is yet another legitimate chance for people to get into some serious keyword domaining, with out getting bent over with premium renewals.

I bet if Verisign could do it over they would have pulled every single tv.tv off that was connected to a premium and would have made them a set.

Im not saying all premium renewals are bad, im just saying there are other angles available.

Dr. Mindwrecker

This should be merged with jeffovermans thread if possible

.tv

I rejected two low xxxx offers for TravelTV ,TV and JobsTV ,TV.

These names have a steady traffic.

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b2b

Hey .tv,

Where r they parked?

Dr. Mindwrecker

Do you care to disclose how much traffic?

.tv

Previously I parked them with an adsense enabled custom landing page with an inquiry form. Now I've parked them at Sedo.

JobsTV ,TV - 400 to 500 UV per month

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TravelTV ,TV - 100 to 140 UV per month

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JakeCohen

This is just my personal opinion, but from a consumers point of view, I actually think that tv.tv is disgusting. I mean Dogstv.tv just looks awful. I think that those who register, but especially buy tv.tv domains are taking a humongous and awfully stupid risk.

ON the otherhand, keyword.tv is pure brilliance and the .tv domain is a superb domain to invest in.

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smashfactory

disgusting....


can you be a bit more graphic

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jeffoverman

easy on dogstv.tv remark or my lab will be sad and start barking at you lol......i own dogstv.tv but wish i had dogs.tv for branding, value lol
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dogs.tv is off the market and johntv owns it...i have asked him 3 times if he would ever sell it and same answer no, no, no.....even if i had worked out a payment plan with him, it would be one help of a purchase and expense wise.

so if porn.tv is over xxx, xxx then whats so wrong with grabbing porntv.tv and if they get developed porntv.tv will be a nice traffic name and revenue name.

just my thoughts....

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Dr. Mindwrecker

Quick update:

PornTV.TV now has over 500 Uniques in the past 30 days, with a 25% CTR

Traffic seems to be increasing slowly on this name, pure type in.

I have not pumped anything up, I have only posted it on this forum, and a few others places for sale.

johntv

Sorry Jeff, if I ever like to sell it, your the first one to know, I appreciate you interest!
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Nice traffic on Porntv.tv Mindwrecker!!

Dr. Mindwrecker

Thanks John,

Yes it has been increasing slowly since my initial purchase, thought people might find it interesting.

Maybe someone can answer this question:

Has there been any more word on Oprah with her "OwnTV.TV" ?

freedom30

The only ***tv.tv I own is madefortv.tv.

Dr. Mindwrecker

I always appreciate honest opinions, but here is the thing Jake,
When Ray and everyone started looking at tv.tv a while back, it was recognized as an affordable keyword alternative.

Quite a few people hand regged some gems, and then NewsTV.TV was then made a $1000 premium in response to this message board

I mean look at the affordable aspect:

For instance, I own DrugsTV.TV and DrugTV.TV

Drugs.TV is $50,000 per year, Drug.TV $10,000 per year.

TV.TV offers an affordable alternative which can still give you keyword branding.