Umx.com

namehopper · 03-12-2008, 04:23 PM

This has helped me out so much! Thank you for putting so much work into this thread!

kleszcz · 03-27-2008, 09:29 PM

Any update?

allroundguy · 03-27-2008, 10:51 PM

Yes, but there are no such things as good and less good domains. It is purely a matter of appreciation. Many big players redirect their main url to a LL, LLL, or LLL or even NL, LN, NLL etc. Spreading load over different servers is easy by setting links rather to some LNLN etc somewhere than keeping it in the same domain (server). This has many advantages. That is why unpronounceable combinations are being sold everyday. The big guys know what they do while most domainers don't. When will people understand that it is content that counts for traffic, and not the domain? It is probable that all short character combinations are being collected right now under our nose. And most cannot be trademarked because they have too many dictionary meanings. A short but fierce acronym boom could be heretomorrow already ...

abid286 · 03-28-2008, 04:48 AM

Great post! Thanks!

squarepie · 04-12-2008, 10:32 PM

Great advice and kudos for the effort to share, Alex. I have over time purchased many 4 and 5 letter dot coms using that reasoning you describe. People of the old school of thought, that words must be spelled out and correctly to convey a memorable comprehensive message may find themselves needing a translator to read a simple text message on their cell phone. And cell is rapidly displacing Laptop and PC for internet traffic. The non-English speaking world may not recognize our long winded words but I'll bet they can easily grasp and recall TV or DV or FX or EZ or CD or IQ.

An intelligent marketing strategy for any "old school" operation would be to attract emerging traffic with fresh targeting to a new generation of customers using short (let's call them) new words that blanket advertising could easily implant. (i.e.- The "You deserve a break today" generation still eats at the same place but are in the vast minority and "I'm lovin' it", cause I bought todv.com, tofx.com, ezitv.com, gotcd, among others.
For now I await, I suppose like we all do, for some imaginative well funded easy venture capitalist to sponsor our ambitions. BTW any offers for ezvc.com??? LOL

Lio · 04-23-2008, 11:03 PM

thx alex for ur info...its great....

opalxx · 05-03-2008, 09:55 PM

Great stuff for a newbie like me. On your info i have just regged okhe.net, npax.net...mainly because my partners christian name is pax (which is peace in latin) but it also has 240 backlinks and czic.net (seasick?). Am i on the right track? What is the situation with names that may not have any or only a couple of premium letters but may have traffic or backlinks? How do we evaluate which is a better investment..one with all premium letters or one with non-premium but with traffic? What about one that is pronouncable with no or 1 or 2 premiums as compared to one that is non-pronounceable with all premiums. Is a CVCV or VCVC worth more than a VVCC or CCVV etc???

Just as a matter of interest..i regged dogy.tv which i came across in my search for good nets.

Standout! · 05-03-2008, 11:12 PM

This is how I see it: Dictionary > Good pronouncable > CVCV > VCVC > All Premium > ... the rest ...

If you've got targeted traffic coming in though, that's going to trump everything. Those are gold...

Malaysia · 05-06-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Standout!

This is how I see it: Dictionary > Good pronouncable > CVCV > VCVC > All Premium > ... the rest ...

If you've got targeted traffic coming in though, that's going to trump everything. Those are gold...

have to add in geo LLLL as well.. those are valuable

opalxx · 05-06-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Standout!

If you've got targeted traffic coming in though, that's going to trump everything. Those are gold...

Nice info and a great help in putting things simply. So, what exactly is targeted traffic and how do we determine where the traffic is coming from? As i said one of the names (npax.net) has a couple of hundred backlinks but i have no idea how they got there or if this any value to the name although estibot valuation is $130 and not reg fee like most nets i look at. I do know that there is not an old archived website. One name i have xpes.net has an alexa of 17468444 and does have some traffic. Is that targeted and if so how did you arrive at that? Is this name more valuable than most due to traffic even though it doesn't really pronounce as a good word?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/432747-acronym-domain-valuation.html

So, do you reckon that say 10 good nets are a better investment say than one mediocre com? Is the name more valuable if some or most or all of the other tlds are taken? And finally, once again, where do you reckon is the better place to resell nets. With 11.5m names on sedo i would be surprised anyone ever stumbled over one of mine in the next 10 years

opalxx · 05-06-2008, 10:56 PM

ok..i give up..how does one delete a duplicate submitted message??

deboer123 · 05-19-2008, 02:22 PM

Oh really, wow i didnt now

sourcez · 05-20-2008, 05:36 AM

Very interesting; a good picture that shows another way of placing value on domains.

Personally I'm not interested in 4 letter domains; although I wish I had kept hold of mine for longer and sold them now for more!

Good work.

srigopaldaliya · 05-23-2008, 08:33 AM

Great First Post

Originally Posted by accentnepal

The price gap between triple premiums with a W and those with an H is the other example that I had in mind of a psychological blind spot. Another is the over-emphasis on CVCV structure - many highly pronouncable / brandable LLLL names are not CVCV or even VCVC, and some CVCVs are pretty marginal, IMHO. The thing is that these psychological blind spots tend to continue and betting against them can be frustrating.

For those just starting:
Premium letters: ABCDEFGHILMNOPRST
Semi-Premium Letters: JKUVWY
Anti-Premium Letters: QXZ
CVCV = Consonant - Vowel - Consonant - Vowel
VCVC = Vowel - Consonant - Vowel - Consonant
LLLL = Four letters, no numbers or hyphens
.com = You really are just starting, eh?

This is a very good post for us (Newbies

)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432747

Anyways i would appreciate if you also provide the Premium, Semi-Premium Numbers

Thanks anyways for the wonderful effort there

briguy · 05-23-2008, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Alex

Thanks for the nice words and reps. I will try to improve my acronym examples as soon as I get some time.

lol I probably will take a few days just to acquire the knowledge that you shared in your posting!

dotnom · 05-24-2008, 01:45 PM

Missed the topic
I could suggest some alternative meanings to my QWA.com auction sale

Federer · 05-24-2008, 02:57 PM

This is a great thread, thanks for all the useful info.

Just landed this lll.com after having won an auction: Umx.com

Thinking of flipping soon for low BIN, between 9k-11k

Any acronym ideas?

Online for the last 8 years, since 02-May-2000

Some of these are quite good:

Ultimate Music Xperience
Universal Mercantile Exchange
Universal Macro Extender
Universal Mail Exchange
Universal Market Exchange
Universal Money Exchange

MaguirePhD · 06-10-2008, 12:33 AM

Just saw this post. I bought hundreds of country codes followed by HQ for headquarters, as well as Canadian provinces and U.S. States but they can also have utility for busnesses.

IThq.mobi can be Italy Headquarters but it can also be Infortmation Technology Headquarters.

NEhq.mobi can be Nebraska Headquarters, New England Headquarters or National Education Headquarters.

Very few seem to agree with me.

Doc

*namenut* · 06-10-2008, 04:36 PM

Would you consider this name a double acronym or double abbreviation?

RXXP.com

TY
namenut

Chapel · 06-10-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Malaysia

have to add in geo LLLL as well.. those are valuable

Id have to add acronym LLLL somewhere as well. Great read!

MaguirePhD · 06-10-2008, 11:56 PM

Would you consider this name a double acronym or double abbreviation?

RXXP.com?

I would just consider that a terrific short, easy to remember domain that can get traffic somewhere.

I agree with the fellow who made an earlier post in this thread, mentioning all this hype about type in traffic.

My personal take on it is. and I will use what is prevalent thinking in the mobi forum, that everything must be intutive type in traffic.
My argument has been that most people are NOT good spellers and if you could not intuitively spell at age 12, how are you going to inutitvely spell at age 35?

Short domains are the answer to get people to sites that they could not spell if you gave them all afternoon to do so.

After passing Carl's Kustom Kar Klinic, Lite and Brite Cleaners, and Sudz and Dudz, is it any wonder that they may have some trouble with intuitve typing of a domain name?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432747

Doc

Federer · 06-12-2008, 04:01 AM

Any ideas on potential value:

Ares.net

.Net Quad Premium VCVC starting with "A"; 37 million google results!

• This domain has massive OVERTURE > 250,560
• Wordtracker per day: 9,042
• Traffic rank in Mexico of 300,000
• NASA have named their world famous rockets “Ares”
• Excellent GEO name
• Ares is a town in France (33740 Ares)
• Ares is a town in north-western Spain
• Popular word in Mexico: Ares Valles; this, along with the Ares area codes, explains the strong traffic coming from Mexico
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432747
• Brazil also has a popular region called Ares
• Numerous towns and villages in Portugal, Mexico, Brazil and Spain have ‘Ares’ in their name
• Ares is also a famous surname in Mexico, Spain and Portugal
• Registered in every extension
• 10 years old

Dictionary meaning: the Greek master of war
Etymology: Greek Arēs

Many abbreviations; here a few:
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.co...ration+Science

Should I send to auction? Thinking of selling.

Cheers.

Federer.

*namenut* · 06-15-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by MaguirePhD

Would you consider this name a double acronym or double abbreviation?

RXXP.com?

I would just consider that a terrific short, easy to remember domain that can get traffic somewhere.

I agree with the fellow who made an earlier post in this thread, mentioning all this hype about type in traffic.

My personal take on it is. and I will use what is prevalent thinking in the mobi forum, that everything must be intutive type in traffic.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432747
My argument has been that most people are NOT good spellers and if you could not intuitively spell at age 12, how are you going to inutitvely spell at age 35?

Short domains are the answer to get people to sites that they could not spell if you gave them all afternoon to do so.

After passing Carl's Kustom Kar Klinic, Lite and Brite Cleaners, and Sudz and Dudz, is it any wonder that they may have some trouble with intuitve typing of a domain name?

Doc

Thank You for the feedback on rxxp.

I think the same amount of branding plays a much more effective role for a short catchy, made up name than the natural type-in generic. It seems, to me, people are more prone to remember a branded catchy name.

Shoes[]com -vs- Shooz[]com .... We want to remember the "cool" name (imo). They represent something new and different. And a bit of "rebel" in all of us might see shoes[]com as "old hat".

I know a natural type-in visitor might not be considered "blind traffic" but I think it actually is. Much more blind than a visitor that knows (branded) what to expect on your site.

MaguirePhD · 06-16-2008, 09:33 PM

I agree on the cool name theory.
I own Ringytones.org and Ringytones.mobi and have been advised by traditionalists that it will never get type in traffic. Well, it will get more traffic that geturringtonesnow.com, wegotringtones.com, tonedownload,com etc.
And they only have to get to the site once and bookmark or save in their favorites.

Intuitive type in traffic is overblown.

No one ever got ahead that was behaving.

Doc

P.S. Short letter domains have an ability that longer type in name dont...they are recyclable. I have a 5 letter ..com that has been used for 4 different companies.

Alex · 06-18-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by MaguirePhD

Short letter domains have an ability that longer type in name dont...they are recyclable. I have a 5 letter ..com that has been used for 4 different companies.

This is a very good observation. Branding the same thing different way.
A domain like DownloadRingtones.com while extremely valuable has only one type of end users, those that want to establish a ringtone related site.

This is not true with short catchy or acronym domains

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allroundguy NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belgium, Europe, and I feel at home anywhere ... Posts: 346	Yes, but there are no such things as good and less good domains. It is purely a matter of appreciation. Many big players redirect their main url to a LL, LLL, or LLL or even NL, LN, NLL etc. Spreading load over different servers is easy by setting links rather to some LNLN etc somewhere than keeping it in the same domain (server). This has many advantages. That is why unpronounceable combinations are being sold everyday. The big guys know what they do while most domainers don't. When will people understand that it is content that counts for traffic, and not the domain? It is probable that all short character combinations are being collected right now under our nose. And most cannot be trademarked because they have too many dictionary meanings. A short but fierce acronym boom could be heretomorrow already ... __________________ Visit Your Domain Advisor For Premium Domains and Well-Funded Advice Here On the Net since 1993

03-28-2008, 04:48 AM	#29 (permalink)
abid286 NamePros Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 40	Great post! Thanks! Last edited by abid286; 03-28-2008 at 04:53 AM.

05-03-2008, 09:55 PM	#32 (permalink)
opalxx NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 942	Great stuff for a newbie like me. On your info i have just regged okhe.net, npax.net...mainly because my partners christian name is pax (which is peace in latin) but it also has 240 backlinks and czic.net (seasick?). Am i on the right track? What is the situation with names that may not have any or only a couple of premium letters but may have traffic or backlinks? How do we evaluate which is a better investment..one with all premium letters or one with non-premium but with traffic? What about one that is pronouncable with no or 1 or 2 premiums as compared to one that is non-pronounceable with all premiums. Is a CVCV or VCVC worth more than a VVCC or CCVV etc??? Just as a matter of interest..i regged dogy.tv which i came across in my search for good nets. Last edited by opalxx; 05-03-2008 at 11:12 PM.

05-03-2008, 11:12 PM	#33 (permalink)
Standout! INSERT BILLS FACE UP! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cuppster.com Posts: 1,392	This is how I see it: Dictionary > Good pronouncable > CVCV > VCVC > All Premium > ... the rest ... If you've got targeted traffic coming in though, that's going to trump everything. Those are gold... __________________ ====> The Best Available Domains in the Universe

Umx.com

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Would you consider this name a double acronym or double abbreviation?

A.R.E.S.net

Agreed

03-12-2008, 04:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
namehopper PPC Help Needed! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Coastal NC Posts: 460	This has helped me out so much! Thank you for putting so much work into this thread!

04-12-2008, 10:32 PM	#30 (permalink)
squarepie NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 29	Great advice and kudos for the effort to share, Alex. I have over time purchased many 4 and 5 letter dot coms using that reasoning you describe. People of the old school of thought, that words must be spelled out and correctly to convey a memorable comprehensive message may find themselves needing a translator to read a simple text message on their cell phone. And cell is rapidly displacing Laptop and PC for internet traffic. The non-English speaking world may not recognize our long winded words but I'll bet they can easily grasp and recall TV or DV or FX or EZ or CD or IQ. An intelligent marketing strategy for any "old school" operation would be to attract emerging traffic with fresh targeting to a new generation of customers using short (let's call them) new words that blanket advertising could easily implant. (i.e.- The "You deserve a break today" generation still eats at the same place but are in the vast minority and "I'm lovin' it", cause I bought todv.com, tofx.com, ezitv.com, gotcd, among others. For now I await, I suppose like we all do, for some imaginative well funded easy venture capitalist to sponsor our ambitions. BTW any offers for ezvc.com??? LOL

04-23-2008, 11:03 PM	#31 (permalink)
Lio NamePros Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 56	thx alex for ur info...its great....

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opalxx NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 942	ok..i give up..how does one delete a duplicate submitted message?? Last edited by opalxx; 05-06-2008 at 11:01 PM.

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05-20-2008, 05:36 AM	#38 (permalink)
sourcez NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 402	Very interesting; a good picture that shows another way of placing value on domains. Personally I'm not interested in 4 letter domains; although I wish I had kept hold of mine for longer and sold them now for more! Good work. __________________ 3cc Internet \| Free Flash Graphics \| Share Your Screenshots

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05-24-2008, 02:57 PM	#42 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,352	Umx.com This is a great thread, thanks for all the useful info. Just landed this lll.com after having won an auction: Umx.com Thinking of flipping soon for low BIN, between 9k-11k Any acronym ideas? Online for the last 8 years, since 02-May-2000 Some of these are quite good: Ultimate Music Xperience Universal Mercantile Exchange Universal Macro Extender Universal Mail Exchange Universal Market Exchange Universal Money Exchange

06-10-2008, 12:33 AM	#43 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	HQ domians Just saw this post. I bought hundreds of country codes followed by HQ for headquarters, as well as Canadian provinces and U.S. States but they can also have utility for busnesses. IThq.mobi can be Italy Headquarters but it can also be Infortmation Technology Headquarters. NEhq.mobi can be Nebraska Headquarters, New England Headquarters or National Education Headquarters. Very few seem to agree with me. Doc Last edited by MaguirePhD; 06-10-2008 at 12:38 AM.

06-10-2008, 04:36 PM	#44 (permalink)
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06-10-2008, 11:56 PM	#46 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	Would you consider this name a double acronym or double abbreviation? Would you consider this name a double acronym or double abbreviation? RXXP.com? I would just consider that a terrific short, easy to remember domain that can get traffic somewhere. I agree with the fellow who made an earlier post in this thread, mentioning all this hype about type in traffic. My personal take on it is. and I will use what is prevalent thinking in the mobi forum, that everything must be intutive type in traffic. My argument has been that most people are NOT good spellers and if you could not intuitively spell at age 12, how are you going to inutitvely spell at age 35? Short domains are the answer to get people to sites that they could not spell if you gave them all afternoon to do so. After passing Carl's Kustom Kar Klinic, Lite and Brite Cleaners, and Sudz and Dudz, is it any wonder that they may have some trouble with intuitve typing of a domain name? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432747 Doc

06-12-2008, 04:01 AM	#47 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,352	A.R.E.S.net Any ideas on potential value: Ares.net .Net Quad Premium VCVC starting with "A"; 37 million google results! • This domain has massive OVERTURE > 250,560 • Wordtracker per day: 9,042 • Traffic rank in Mexico of 300,000 • NASA have named their world famous rockets “Ares” • Excellent GEO name • Ares is a town in France (33740 Ares) • Ares is a town in north-western Spain • Popular word in Mexico: Ares Valles; this, along with the Ares area codes, explains the strong traffic coming from Mexico ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432747 • Brazil also has a popular region called Ares • Numerous towns and villages in Portugal, Mexico, Brazil and Spain have ‘Ares’ in their name • Ares is also a famous surname in Mexico, Spain and Portugal • Registered in every extension • 10 years old Dictionary meaning: the Greek master of war Etymology: Greek Arēs Many abbreviations; here a few: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.co...ration+Science Should I send to auction? Thinking of selling. Cheers. Federer.

06-16-2008, 09:33 PM	#49 (permalink)
MaguirePhD Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	Agreed I agree on the cool name theory. I own Ringytones.org and Ringytones.mobi and have been advised by traditionalists that it will never get type in traffic. Well, it will get more traffic that geturringtonesnow.com, wegotringtones.com, tonedownload,com etc. And they only have to get to the site once and bookmark or save in their favorites. Intuitive type in traffic is overblown. No one ever got ahead that was behaving. Doc P.S. Short letter domains have an ability that longer type in name dont...they are recyclable. I have a 5 letter ..com that has been used for 4 different companies. Last edited by MaguirePhD; 06-16-2008 at 09:36 PM.

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