[-REECE-]

I think many domainers are short on cash at the moment -- many disappointing sales including one of my own (dato.com).

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

I couldn't believe that when I saw it, I guess there are still uninformed sellers on Sedo. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/429599-lll-com-sales-report-discussion-thread.html DSG sold for $18k. Lots of people liked it, but not many people putting cash down on the table. It happens some times. <shameless> KPT.com is for sale </shameless>

[Pred]

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 DSG sold for $18k. Lots of people liked it, but not many people putting cash down on the table. It happens some times.

that breaks me to know it went that cheap. i wouldn't have offered that low even,
if i had known i would have put my mum out working the streets all weekend. i would still have had to find the remaining $17,850 though

[Spade]

Originally Posted by arnie

that breaks me to know it went that cheap. i wouldn't have offered that low even, if i had known i would have put my mum out working the streets all weekend. i would still have had to find the remaining $17,850 though

LoL..... Likewise over here.

[-REECE-]

Agree 100% Arnie.

Even for 10k you can get something far nicer than what you get for 7-8k. My BQB might not be premium, but how the heck can one even class something like BQB (or a recent sale of mine -- RYI) in the same league as say, YJQ?

I'd rather have a CVCV anyday than YJQ and really don't see the purpose of buying an LLL.com just to own an LLL.com if you're going to go with the cheapest example which most domainers are going to feel sorry for you for owning it.

Originally Posted by arnie

with a few monster endusers tbh i have never bought a shit LLL, by that i don't mean there aren't any cos there are it maybe unpopular to say but this is an area where i will gladly pay 4 times for a great LLL than a crap one most LLL ultimately have an enduser but i may be on my own thinking the dregs will slightly drop in value in coming years. you gotta be brave or stupid to say it far better places to put 7/8k imo geo coms, awesome LLLL, and good 2 word dictionary coms imho, or of course put towards a great LLL.com. just to talk about the comspace arnold has now left the building

I had the money, well Escrow did

Now I have to resort to buying 17 triple repeat LLLL.coms instead... Poor me
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Originally Posted by arnie

that breaks me to know it went that cheap. i wouldn't have offered that low even, if i had known i would have put my mum out working the streets all weekend. i would still have had to find the remaining $17,850 though

[Michael]

Originally Posted by arnie

i would still have had to find the remaining $17,850 though

lmao, nice. yea, there doesn't seem to be a lot of money flying around right now, MIF (not mine) is having trouble selling around $19k and there was another trip premium on the other forum that was listed at $17k and didn't get snatched.

[Spade]

I'm not sure I agree with the "Bottom of the Barrel" talk going on. Granted, premiums are appreciating at a great rate, I still think even the poor LLL.com's are gaining steadily and safely.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Spade

I'm not sure I agree with the "Bottom of the Barrel" talk going on. Granted, premiums are appreciating at a great rate, I still think even the poor LLL.com's are gaining steadily and safely.

I completely agree. Look at 7 months ago when double premiums were selling for under $7k. Now you're lucky if you can get one for $9k. That's 7 months...

[bmugford]

When did TPO.com sell exactly? I looked into it briefly but didn't find much info.
That going for $11K in unbelievable if true.

Brad

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

I couldn't believe that when I saw it, I guess there are still uninformed sellers on Sedo. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 DSG sold for $18k. Lots of people liked it, but not many people putting cash down on the table. It happens some times. <shameless> KPT.com is for sale </shameless>

[-REECE-]

Most of the absolute junk is literally tossed around domainer to domainer, each one marking it up higher than the last. It's being artificially inflated by domainers who think someone else out there will pay more -- and each paying more than the last for them.

It might not happen this year, or next, but the Bubble (that's exactly what it is) will burst on the absolute junk. YJQ doesn't have 1/2 the odds of finding an enduser as an all premium LLL.com does, why on Earth should it sell for half the price (couple that with YJQ looking downright fugly to English speaking domainers).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

Originally Posted by Spade

I'm not sure I agree with the "Bottom of the Barrel" talk going on. Granted, premiums are appreciating at a great rate, I still think even the poor LLL.com's are gaining steadily and safely.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by Reece

Agree 100% Arnie. Even for 10k you can get something far nicer than what you get for 7-8k. My BQB might not be premium, but how the heck can one even class something like BQB (or a recent sale of mine -- RYI) in the same league as say, YJQ? I'd rather have a CVCV anyday than YJQ and really don't see the purpose of buying an LLL.com just to own an LLL.com if you're going to go with the cheapest example which most domainers are going to feel sorry for you for owning it. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

[Michael]

Originally Posted by bmugford

When did TPO.com sell exactly? I looked into it briefly but didn't find much info. That going for $11K in unbelievable if true. Brad

Probably about a week ago on Sedo if it is just showing up on their completed sales. It's true. There's no way that went to auction and ended at that price though, probably happened in the make offer section.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

Originally Posted by Reece

It's being artificially inflated by domainers who think someone else out there will pay more -- and each paying more than the last for them.

Just to play devil's advocate couldn't you argue the same thing about CVCV.coms?

[bmugford]

So it was an accepted offer then? Because at any public auction it should have gone well over $20K..especially triple premium ending with "O"

I agree with CVCV. While strong ones are worth their sales prices. I have seen some absolute crap that is hardly pronounceable go for $2K+..in my mind that can't be sustained.

Brad

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

Probably about a week ago on Sedo if it is just showing up on their completed sales. It's true. There's no way that went to auction and ended at that price.

[-REECE-]

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

Just to play devil's advocate couldn't you argue the same thing about CVCV.coms?

Here's a little "insider info" : Many of the CVCV sales on Sedo are falling through and I personally believe there are a few price manipulators out in the (CVCV) market . I'm very cautious and only invest in CVCVs that sell themselves on their own merit (like DATO).

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Reece

Most of the absolute junk is literally tossed around domainer to domainer, each one marking it up higher than the last. It's being artificially inflated by domainers who think someone else out there will pay more -- and each paying more than the last for them. It might not happen this year, or next, but the Bubble (that's exactly what it is) will burst on the absolute junk. YJQ doesn't have 1/2 the odds of finding an enduser as an all premium LLL.com does, why on Earth should it sell for half the price (couple that with YJQ looking downright fugly to English speaking domainers).

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599
I disagree. As for the LLLL.com , the same even stronger applies to LLL.com

Other countries are emerging in the internet and will soon need their presence in the e-real estate.

You may call it Bubble, but it`s nothing compared to what is going on in Australia (where some houses last 20 minutes since they are listed due to the shortage of new houses)

Actually, I believe that we are still to see prices soar once all the rest of the World comes online.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by bmugford

So it was an accepted offer then? Because at any public auction it should have gone well over $20K..especially triple premium ending with "O" ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 I agree with CVCV. While strong ones are worth their sales prices. I have seen some absolute crap that is hardly pronounceable go for $2K+..in my mind that can't be sustained. Brad

I don't think there's any way to know for sure what happened with it, but I never saw it on the auction page and I check it daily. Also that is so far below fair market value that I can't imagine it went to public auction.

I don't think a CVCV.com should ever be worth more in the reseller market than an LLL.com no matter how pronounceable it is. I love them as much as the next guy, but to go from being worth low $xxx to high $x,xxx and possibly $xx,xxx over night in the reseller market seems like wild speculation and hype to me. Might as well ride the wave, but I don't expect it to be sustained growth. A bubble.

Originally Posted by Reece

Here's a little "insider info" : Many of the CVCV sales on Sedo are falling through and I personally believe there are a few price manipulators out in the (CVCV) market . I'm very cautious and only invest in CVCVs that sell themselves on their own merit (like DATO).

Good to know, thanks for pointing that out. DATO is a beauty for sure, I would drop four figures on that without batting an eyelash.

[italiandragon]

After all, many investors buy real estate properties JUST TO FLIP them at inflated prices to other people. That is worse because you can`t get more LLL.com while you still can build new houses (well....in Australia the problem is more complicated since the Government seems to have hard time in releasing more land)

[Spade]

If you look at the price inflation/appreciation of LLL.com's its steady and smoothe. There isnt this huge jump in pricing over night. Were talking (wholesale) $100-250 per month in gains. Although I agree, price inflation exists from domainers trading. The issue here is as the market continues to grow, more capital comes in, and more countries come online - LLL.com's will continue to garnish plenty of attention.

Justin

[Michael]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

After all, many investors buy real estate properties JUST TO FLIP them at inflated prices to other people. That is worse because you can`t get more LLL.com while you still can build new houses (well....in Australia the problem is more complicated since the Government seems to have hard time in releasing more land)

I wouldn't agree with that statement. You're basing that on the assumption that once you sell an LLL it will never be sold again, which just isn't the case, even with an end user sale. The prices may be higher, but the game will still be the same. If I buy ABC.com for $6k and flip it for $8k, I could buy it again 10 years down the road for $20k and flip it for $30k. During those 10 years I could probably turn that $2k into $100k doing other flips. Appreciation, even in the LLL.com market, is too slow to make much of a living off of it unless you've been in the business for 15 years and have a steady, spread out, stream of investments.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599
Smart investing is all about putting your money where it will get the highest ROI. If in a year a crap LLL will go from $9k to $10k, I could probably turn the profits of selling that into much more than $1k in a years time.

[-REECE-]

CVCVs imho are essentially copying what we see with the lowest quality LLL.coms -- where a domain is worth X dollars not because of it's merit, but because it fits a particular letter pattern.

Anyone buying CVCVs starting with an X and thinking these are excellent long term investments... I won't go there.

Absolutely foolish some of the amounts we're seeing being paid for domains which are of questionable quality (often there are no apparent endusers, acronyms, traffic, seriously, wtf?).

People are neglecting considerably better domains which do not fit the CVCV pattern... We hear people chant "CVCV for Web 2.0"... What a load of rubbish. Like an LLL.com, a half decent LLLL.com, a pronounceable 5L.com, etc aren't often equally good choices.

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

I don't think there's any way to know for sure what happened with it, but I never saw it on the auction page and I check it daily. Also that is so far below fair market value that I can't imagine it went to public auction. I don't think a CVCV.com should ever be worth more in the reseller market than an LLL.com no matter how pronounceable it is. I love them as much as the next guy, but to go from being worth low $xxx to high $x,xxx and possibly $xx,xxx over night in the reseller market seems like wild speculation and hype to me. Might as well ride the wave, but I don't expect it to be sustained growth. A bubble. Good to know, thanks for pointing that out. DATO is a beauty for sure, I would drop four figures on that without batting an eyelash.

Agree 100% -- when I referred to crap LLL.coms being a Bubble, I didn't necessarily mean they'd crash in price, merely that in comparison to "inflation across all LLL.coms" they would have devalued considerably. If 5 years from now a name like YJQ goes for 20k, whereas a name like MIF goes for 100k (which I think is perfectly reasonable), then one of them turned out to be a heck of alot better of an investment than the other.
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

In my case, DATO.com was actually bought off an enduser, so I have to agree with that point as well.

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

I'm wouldn't agree with that statement. You're basing that on the assumption that once you sell an LLL it will never be sold again, which just isn't the case, even with an end user sale. The prices may be higher, but the game will still be the same. If I but ABC.com for $6k and flip it for $8k, I could buy it again 10 years down the road for $20k and flip it for $30k. During those 10 years I could probably turn that $2k into $100k doing other flips. Appreciation, even in the LLL.com market, is too slow to make much of a living off of it unless you've been in the business for 15 years and have a steady, spread out, stream of investments. Smart investing is all about putting your money where it will get the highest ROI. If in a year a crap LLL will go from $9k to $10k, I could probably turn the profits of selling that into much more than $1k in a years time.

[bmugford]

Reece, I agree with most everything you said.

The whole idea of CVCV.com is they are supposed to be easily pronounceable and memorable. I can see a strong one selling for $X,XXX, but I have seen several that are barely pronounceable going for entirely too much. I have seen ones that have no meaning go close to what DATO.com went for.

Brad

Originally Posted by Reece

CVCVs imho are essentially copying what we see with the lowest quality LLL.coms -- where a domain is worth X dollars not because of it's merit, but because it fits a particular letter pattern. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 Anyone buying CVCVs starting with an X and thinking these are excellent long term investments... I won't go there. Absolutely foolish some of the amounts we're seeing being paid for domains which are of questionable quality (often there are no apparent endusers, acronyms, traffic, seriously, wtf?). People are neglecting considerably better domains which do not fit the CVCV pattern... We hear people chant "CVCV for Web 2.0"... What a load of rubbish. Like an LLL.com, a half decent LLLL.com, a pronounceable 5L.com, etc aren't often equally good choices.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Reece

Agree 100% -- when I referred to crap LLL.coms being a Bubble, I didn't necessarily mean they'd crash in price, merely that in comparison to "inflation across all LLL.coms" they would have devalued considerably. If 5 years from now a name like YJQ goes for 20k, whereas a name like MIF goes for 100k (which I think is perfectly reasonable), then one of them turned out to be a heck of alot better of an investment than the other.

I don't think I could possibly agree with that more. Very well said Reece, as usual

[italiandragon]

By the way......just checking Afternic now:

I`m surprised DCG.com did not find his famous end user from the other forum yet. I see DomainRaiders is trying hard to grab it


And freshly listed 2 beauties such:

TMO.com (similar to TPO) asking $42K

EOF.com asking $31,900

And I would say, prices are at current market prices for them.

This one is not bad at this price I bet will last only few hours:

XGR.com asking $12,900

Who`s going to grab it?

[Michael]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

I`m surprised DCG.com did not find his famous end user from the other forum yet. I see DomainRaiders is trying hard to grab it

Was worth a try

I would have been fair though, Adam could have taken it off of me for a very reasonable $75k

Now it's going to be a race between me, Reece, and Spade for it, lol.

[dag]

Originally Posted by Reece

It might not happen this year, or next, but the Bubble (that's exactly what it is) will burst on the absolute junk. YJQ doesn't have 1/2 the odds of finding an enduser as an all premium LLL.com does, why on Earth should it sell for half the price (couple that with YJQ looking downright fugly to English speaking domainers).

Selling prices can't be reduced to a formula, though: "half the price" doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with "half" the end-user demand. For the same reason that you can't simply say that premium LLLL.coms should be 1/26th the price of a premium LLL.com. Even if it happens to work out that way sometimes, it's coincidence.
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It all comes down to chance, really -- a single end-user looking for YJQ.com (or any other "junk" LLL) at the right time is all that's necessary for it to sell at a very high price. And resellers willing to take the chance that it'll happen while they own it will pay a pretty high amount for that possibility.

[-REECE-]

The chance of domains similar to YJQ finding endusers (paying considerably over reseller prices) is very close to zero and far lower than the chance a random quad premium LLLL.com will find an enduser if we consider sales data available (DN Journal, Sedo, Afternic, etc).

1/26th idea makes no sense -- LLL and LLLL have very little in common. By that logic, good CVCVC should be going for $500+.

Endusers are largely what drive LLL.com prices higher and higher -- the fact is, there are almost zero endusers for the absolute junk, and some of the domains are useless even in so called developing countries (eg. Start mixing in letters like V which don't exist in many countries alphabets with garbage like Z and you have a very hard to produce acronym).

Originally Posted by dag

Selling prices can't be reduced to a formula, though: "half the price" doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with "half" the end-user demand. For the same reason that you can't simply say that premium LLLL.coms should be 1/26th the price of a premium LLL.com. Even if it happens to work out that way sometimes, it's coincidence. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 It all comes down to chance, really -- a single end-user looking for YJQ.com (or any other "junk" LLL) at the right time is all that's necessary for it to sell at a very high price. And resellers willing to take the chance that it'll happen while they own it will pay a pretty high amount for that possibility.