[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Reece

The chance of domains similar to YJQ finding endusers (paying considerably over reseller prices) is very close to zero and far lower than the chance a random quad premium LLLL.com will find an enduser if we consider sales data available (DN Journal, Sedo, Afternic, etc). 1/26th idea makes no sense -- LLL and LLLL have very little in common. By that logic, good CVCVC should be going for $500+. Endusers are largely what drive LLL.com prices higher and higher -- the fact is, there are almost zero endusers for the absolute junk, and some of the domains are useless even in so called developing countries (eg. Start mixing in letters like V which don't exist in many countries alphabets with garbage like Z and you have a very hard to produce acronym).

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Reece....what`s wrong with you today? I`m starting to think someone else hacked your account.

Z = garbage ?

Are you kidding me? In german....Z may be like G for English....it`s a great letter. And also V is not bad at all in German.

Are you feeling well ?

[-REECE-]

I'm just saying I think there are much better investments on the market than a 7.5k LLL.com, including not only higher priced LLL.coms, but also quality LLLL.coms (for the most part, NOT CVCVs).

Quite honestly, I'd much rather own my IIIT than YJQ -- and at least my IIIT has a few apparent endusers.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Reece....what`s wrong with you today? I`m starting to think someone else hacked your account. Z = garbage ? Are you kidding me? In german....Z may be like G for English....it`s a great letter. And also V is not bad at all in German. Are you feeling well ?

[betthelot]

Giving I own YJQ.com, I feel I should defend it from being described as 'absolute junk'. I have been purchasing LLL.coms since 1999 and have deliberately targeted acronyms that have letters which are not premium in English but are in Chinese. For a long time I believed I was the only one mining this seam and accrued many for very little - often under $100.
Vast number of businesses in China, are offering products to the rest of the world. Many of these businesses have names that use Pinyin (using the English alphabet to spell the company name, instead of Chinese characters). Most use Acronyms of the owners’ names. That is why there is good demand for letters, such as j,q,x,y,z – these are premium in China. It is worth noting in China (dot)com is still king, compared to (dot)cn, even though they are deeply patriotic, (dot)com has kudos within the business community, it signifies they are an international business.
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I have noted in the last 6 months that there are more Chinese investors in this space – you can see this on namejet from the nic names they use, and anything that translates well in Chinese sells for much more than a year ago. Take NNNN.coms if they contain numbers such as 8 (meaning lucky) or 6 (meaning happy) they sale for over $1,000 whereas if it contains 4(meaning dead) it sells for half. We are also just seeing the start of Chinese investors, so I foresee strong growth for junk letters j,q.x.y,z . I agree with letter ‘V’ being limited – I never buy with this letter.
Great thread

[-REECE-]

Hi Graham,

My apologies for singling your domain out -- needed to give an example of what I considered "junk" by American standards and with how many LLL.coms NPers own, it was bound to happen to someone.

Being Canadian, I know nothing about China, nor will I pretend to... Perhaps my example (being unaware of Chinese demand) was a bad one. Still, I stand by my statement that many LLL.coms are overpriced in comparison to other LLL.coms on the market at the moment -- I do strongly believe that some LLL.coms will prove to be much better investments than others. Perhaps I should have included an example with a V -- that's one letter I'm aware of that's pretty much "universally bad" when combined with a couple other "bad American letters".

Originally Posted by betthelot

Giving I own YJQ.com, I feel I should defend it from being described as 'absolute junk'. I have been purchasing LLL.coms since 1999 and have deliberately targeted acronyms that have letters which are not premium in English but are in Chinese. For a long time I believed I was the only one mining this seam and accrued many for very little - often under $100. Vast number of businesses in China, are offering products to the rest of the world. Many of these businesses have names that use Pinyin (using the English alphabet to spell the company name, instead of Chinese characters). Most use Acronyms of the owners’ names. That is why there is good demand for letters, such as j,q,x,y,z – these are premium in China. It is worth noting in China (dot)com is still king, compared to (dot)cn, even though they are deeply patriotic, (dot)com has kudos within the business community, it signifies they are an international business. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 I have noted in the last 6 months that there are more Chinese investors in this space – you can see this on namejet from the nic names they use, and anything that translates well in Chinese sells for much more than a year ago. Take NNNN.coms if they contain numbers such as 8 (meaning lucky) or 6 (meaning happy) they sale for over $1,000 whereas if it contains 4(meaning dead) it sells for half. We are also just seeing the start of Chinese investors, so I foresee strong growth for junk letters j,q.x.y,z . I agree with letter ‘V’ being limited – I never buy with this letter. Great thread

[betthelot]

Hi Reece
I fully accept your point on comparisons and that you just made a bad choice of letters to illustrate it - just felt compelled to defend letters j,q,x,y,z - I made a calculated bet, a long time ago, that these will come good.
Impressive site BQB.com

[Abstracts.tv]

I wish I could be part fo this thread, but can't afford any!!!!!!!

Frank

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Abstracts.tv

I wish I could be part fo this thread, but can't afford any!!!!!!! Frank

LoL - just be patient, it'll happen.

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by betthelot

Giving I own YJQ.com, I feel I should defend it from being described as 'absolute junk'. I have been purchasing LLL.coms since 1999 and have deliberately targeted acronyms that have letters which are not premium in English but are in Chinese. For a long time I believed I was the only one mining this seam and accrued many for very little - often under $100. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 Vast number of businesses in China, are offering products to the rest of the world. Many of these businesses have names that use Pinyin (using the English alphabet to spell the company name, instead of Chinese characters). Most use Acronyms of the owners’ names. That is why there is good demand for letters, such as j,q,x,y,z – these are premium in China. It is worth noting in China (dot)com is still king, compared to (dot)cn, even though they are deeply patriotic, (dot)com has kudos within the business community, it signifies they are an international business. I have noted in the last 6 months that there are more Chinese investors in this space – you can see this on namejet from the nic names they use, and anything that translates well in Chinese sells for much more than a year ago. Take NNNN.coms if they contain numbers such as 8 (meaning lucky) or 6 (meaning happy) they sale for over $1,000 whereas if it contains 4(meaning dead) it sells for half. We are also just seeing the start of Chinese investors, so I foresee strong growth for junk letters j,q.x.y,z . I agree with letter ‘V’ being limited – I never buy with this letter. Great thread

Music for my ears.

But while V is junk in China, it is great in Germany , France and Italy just for example. I wonder about the Spanish language.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by betthelot

Giving I own YJQ.com, I feel I should defend it from being described as 'absolute junk'. I have been purchasing LLL.coms since 1999 and have deliberately targeted acronyms that have letters which are not premium in English but are in Chinese. For a long time I believed I was the only one mining this seam and accrued many for very little - often under $100. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 Vast number of businesses in China, are offering products to the rest of the world. Many of these businesses have names that use Pinyin (using the English alphabet to spell the company name, instead of Chinese characters). Most use Acronyms of the owners’ names. That is why there is good demand for letters, such as j,q,x,y,z – these are premium in China. It is worth noting in China (dot)com is still king, compared to (dot)cn, even though they are deeply patriotic, (dot)com has kudos within the business community, it signifies they are an international business. I have noted in the last 6 months that there are more Chinese investors in this space – you can see this on namejet from the nic names they use, and anything that translates well in Chinese sells for much more than a year ago. Take NNNN.coms if they contain numbers such as 8 (meaning lucky) or 6 (meaning happy) they sale for over $1,000 whereas if it contains 4(meaning dead) it sells for half. We are also just seeing the start of Chinese investors, so I foresee strong growth for junk letters j,q.x.y,z . I agree with letter ‘V’ being limited – I never buy with this letter. Great thread

excellent post
rimmed

no wonder i have had 3 emails in past week from Chinese guys after my 867.com

[rgremill]

Originally Posted by Reece

Perhaps I should have included an example with a V -- that's one letter I'm aware of that's pretty much "universally bad" when combined with a couple other "bad American letters".

I saw this quote, RIGHT after I had purchased a LLL.com with a V. I bought it because there was an N before the V, making it the abbreviation for Nevada. Wouldn't a V be good for Video sites?
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Last year I bought my first LLL.com, a "terrible" one with a Z and a Q. Even though it is pretty much at the slum end of the LLL.com food chain, it has almost doubled in value. That's better than the typical 10% stock market increase.

[-REECE-]

It's all relative to what you invest in...

The 700%+ return I've made over the last year with LLLL.coms dwarfs what pretty much anyone has made in the LLL.com market.

V is good (in your NV example) but can be made very bad in a hurry if you throw in a couple more bad letters in the same LLL.com.

Any LLL.com is a good investment if you compare it to the stock market, but none of us enlightened folks on here are silly enough to put our money in such a market when we can easily make tenfold those returns here. Comparing to alternative domaining investments is all that really matters. My personal opinion is that not all LLL.coms will appreciate at the same pace, much like how at the moment low quality and high quality (pronounceable) LLLL.coms are behaving very differently.

Originally Posted by rgremill

I saw this quote, RIGHT after I had purchased a LLL.com with a V. I bought it because there was an N before the V, making it the abbreviation for Nevada. Wouldn't a V be good for Video sites? Last year I bought my first LLL.com, a "terrible" one with a Z and a Q. Even though it is pretty much at the slum end of the LLL.com food chain, it has almost doubled in value. That's better than the typical 10% stock market increase.

[Pred]

Personally i put V in same bracket as W.
In other words is a letter i like and look out for. Apart from anything else is something i can use if i don't get price i want.

V : Virtual, Venture, Videos, Vehicle, Virus etc to name a few

Then is good for Geo too: Venice, Vegas, Virginia, etc etc

Heres some pages of US cities beginning with V

http://www.travelpost.com/dir/North_America/USA/US/V/1


'Premium' chats make me piss

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by rgremill

I saw this quote, RIGHT after I had purchased a LLL.com with a V. I bought it because there was an N before the V, making it the abbreviation for Nevada. Wouldn't a V be good for Video sites? Last year I bought my first LLL.com, a "terrible" one with a Z and a Q. Even though it is pretty much at the slum end of the LLL.com food chain, it has almost doubled in value. That's better than the typical 10% stock market increase.

I have nothing against V and I bet VISA would agree with me.
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VIENNA , VERMONT , VANUATU , VENEZUELA, VIRGINIA , VENICE , VIDEO , VISITORS , VISA....

[Pred]

second again to me bitch

[-REECE-]

None of which have Q/X/Y/Z in them, which was my point

V + Q/X/Y/Z in the same LLL.com is usually bad.

Originally Posted by italiandragon

I have nothing against V and I bet VISA would agree with me. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 VIENNA , VERMONT , VANUATU , VENEZUELA, VIRGINIA , VENICE , VIDEO , VISITORS , VISA....

[Pred]

Originally Posted by Reece

None of which have Q/X/Y/Z in them, which was my point V + Q/X/Y/Z in the same LLL.com is usually bad.

i would agree with most of that, but v and z together are bordering on super premium in Germany

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by arnie

Personally i put V in same bracket as W. In other words is a letter i like and look out for. Apart from anything else is something i can use if i don't get price i want. V : Virtual, Venture, Videos, Vehicle, Virus etc to name a few Then is good for Geo too: Venice, Vegas, Virginia, etc etc Heres some pages of US cities beginning with V http://www.travelpost.com/dir/North_America/USA/US/V/1 'Premium' chats make me piss

Exactly, it`s making me very mad lately.

I can agree on some levels like Q is the last used letter in many alphabets but it`s not possible that people continue to believe to some old statements without any supporting datas.

Said that, the datas I have showed W to be well above many many letters.

U and then V may complete a mid premium range with F and H but not lower than that.

First of all, calling letters Premium and not Premium is MISLEADING.

This is what I think we should call them and my chart based on the actual market (which evolves with the evolving Internet Worldwide penetration)


MOST USED LETTERS:

LEVEL 1: A-B-C-D-E-F-G-I-L-M-N-O-P-R-S-T-W

LEVEL 2: H-U-V

LEVEL 3: J-K-Y

LEVEL 4: Z

LEVEL 5: Q-X

Originally Posted by Reece

None of which have Q/X/Y/Z in them, which was my point ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 V + Q/X/Y/Z in the same LLL.com is usually bad.

Are we talking of Acronyms or what?


Let`s say:

VYQ.com ? (randomly choosed.....and its developed despit eI don`t get their relation to the acronym)

could not be "Video Your Quebec" ?

[dalBono]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Music for my ears. But while V is junk in China, it is great in Germany , France and Italy just for example. I wonder about the Spanish language.

Count Dutch in !
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

See it here

[Pound]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Are we talking of Acronyms or what? Let`s say: VYQ.com ? (randomly choosed.....and its developed despit eI don`t get their relation to the acronym) could not be "Video Your Quebec" ?

Haha, this is the point. With V Y Q the acronyms are extremely limited, thus reducing end user potential. If it had been something like G M O then quite obviously, these are much more premium with many more potential acronyms.

Also I really can't see the need for rebranding the view of premium/non-premium letters. Although you have a point that a Q can stand for something like Quebec, it doesn't change the fact that other letters stand for much, much more.

[scoops22]

Very interesting and informative thread.Nice

Originally Posted by arnie

second again to me bitch

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LOL! ,That was funny.

[betthelot]

Originally Posted by arnie

excellent post rimmed no wonder i have had 3 emails in past week from Chinese guys after my 867.com

If it helps, I can give you the other meanings of numbers in Chinese
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1 single-mindedly, whole-heartedly, heart and soul

2 mandarin duck (it means that the good things appear in pairs)

3 promotion (especially in the officialdom)

4 death

5 me

6 Happy, favorable ("6" means that everything is going very smoothly)

7 eat

8 lucky (usually related to money, it means that you made a big fortune)

9 wine

10 perfect

In China, many social sites are numeric but business / manufactures tend to stick to names and acronyms. Have you wondered why some dropping NNNN.com go for double what others do, often its because they contain digits 6 and 8

[dag]

Originally Posted by betthelot

If it helps, I can give you the other meanings of numbers in Chinese 1 single-mindedly, whole-heartedly, heart and soul 2 mandarin duck (it means that the good things appear in pairs) 3 promotion (especially in the officialdom) 4 death 5 me 6 Happy, favorable ("6" means that everything is going very smoothly) 7 eat 8 lucky (usually related to money, it means that you made a big fortune) 9 wine 10 perfect In China, many social sites are numeric but business / manufactures tend to stick to names and acronyms. Have you wondered why some dropping NNNN.com go for double what others do, often its because they contain digits 6 and 8 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599

Interesting...how about "0"?

Makes me realize my 4424.mobi is out of the running for selling to someone from China... "Death. Death. Mandarin Duck. Death." Sort of a mantra for fatalistic Mandarin ducks everywhere.

[betthelot]

Originally Posted by dag

Interesting...how about "0"? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=429599 Makes me realize my 4424.mobi is out of the running for selling to someone from China... "Death. Death. Mandarin Duck. Death." Sort of a mantra for fatalistic Mandarin ducks everywhere.

0 means 'new beginnings'

[SLL]

I own ChinaO, so that has great significance for me!

Name is for sale in the 4-figure range.

Thanks!!

[sidekick_33]

It looks like this thread is starting to diverge from "The LLL.com sales report & evaluation thread."
However, I am thankful to all of you who responded to my question posed way back on page 8, regarding future prices of LLL.com's in a one year time span! Thanks to all who responded and shared their valuable insight!