WARNING: How to Avoid Domain Scams and Scammers - Page 9

GreenGambler · 02-14-2008, 07:33 PM

Please list all your stolen domains here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showt...52#post6560752

Only list your names and keep it clean and simple, this is to have one spot with all the stolen domains listed and nothing else for easy reference.

I put the thread on DP because that is where most of the dirty deals have happened.

*verbster* · 02-15-2008, 02:16 AM

Speaking from experience, do not depend on GoDaddy office of the president for help against scammers; although their TOS allow them to help, they consistently side with scammers by taking no action, particularly Alon Waisman.

Argos · 02-15-2008, 03:26 AM

What is that again ???? Received this 'pm' a few minutes ago.
Don't try to log in through their link !

saurabh
New Member
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 0
NP$: 0.00 (Donate)
guess a 5 dig word and win watch.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

hello friends

i m selling 100 5 dig domains
all pronounceable word
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-...-words-ll.html

but i m new here

so to make my thread popular

I m holding a contest
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/425450-warning-how-avoid-domain-scams-scammers.html

U r to guess the names of domain i m selling

if u guess even one name from my domain list

i will give u watch . com for free

(the site has more than 1000 hits every day)

u can guess only 3 names
not more than three

i will post the winner as soon as the right word is guessed

so go on guessing
and
good luck

Alex · 02-15-2008, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by Argos

What is that again ???? Received this 'pm' a few minutes ago.
Don't try to log in through their link !

saurabh
New Member
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 0
NP$: 0.00 (Donate)
guess a 5 dig word and win watch.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

hello friends

i m selling 100 5 dig domains
all pronounceable word
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-...-words-ll.html

but i m new here

so to make my thread popular

I m holding a contest

U r to guess the names of domain i m selling

if u guess even one name from my domain list

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
i will give u watch . com for free

(the site has more than 1000 hits every day)

u can guess only 3 names
not more than three

i will post the winner as soon as the right word is guessed

so go on guessing
and
good luck

NAMEPROS PHISHING attack. Do not follow the link. It is not a namepros link. They want to stealyour account, so that they change the password and then buy some domains with stolen paypal using your identity. BEWARE everybody.

Matter already reported to staff. And everybody, I can't understand why you complain in a thread like this instead of reporting it to staff immediately.

Argos · 02-15-2008, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Alex

NAMEPROS PHISHING attack. Do not follow the link. It is not a namepros link. They want to stealyour account, so that they change the password and then buy some domains with stolen paypal using your identity. BEWARE everybody.

Matter already reported to staff. And everybody, I can't understand why you complain in a thread like this instead of reporting it to staff immediately.

Already reported before posting.

D-K · 02-15-2008, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Argos

What is that again ???? Received this 'pm' a few minutes ago.
Don't try to log in through their link !

saurabh
New Member
Trader Rating: (0)
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 0
NP$: 0.00 (Donate)
guess a 5 dig word and win watch.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

hello friends

i m selling 100 5 dig domains
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
all pronounceable word
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-...-words-ll.html

but i m new here

so to make my thread popular

I m holding a contest

U r to guess the names of domain i m selling

if u guess even one name from my domain list

i will give u watch . com for free

(the site has more than 1000 hits every day)

u can guess only 3 names
not more than three

i will post the winner as soon as the right word is guessed

so go on guessing
and
good luck

Just got the above PM from new member

Asys

Just reported to NP staff

italiandragon · 02-15-2008, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Jack.Whisky

Just got the above PM from new member

Asys

Just reported to NP staff

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
I just got a PM with that by the same member.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY 2 LITTLE THINGS TO THIS B@STARD:

1) I WON`T FORGIVE YOU , I WON`T REPORT YOU TO AUTHORITIES , I CAN`T WRITE WHAT I`LL DO.

2) I`LL CHASE YOU WHEREVER YOU ARE, MEXICO OR AFRICA I DON`T MIND, I`LL KEEP CHASING YOU TILL I`LL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO AND YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRAY.

D-K · 02-15-2008, 07:13 AM

I think the Namepros staff and the Mods should now take a stand and protect us from this!!!!!!

They should now stop all new member registrations on Namepros untill there system here is clean of scammers all what is happening is you report Asys he then just pops along and creates another account.

And a member on NP will click the link and will pass over there info and another NP is cheated.

If they stop new members from joining any scammers on Namepros will be filtered out and banned.

Also banning there IP address

filter · 02-15-2008, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

I`LL KEEP CHASING YOU TILL I`LL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO AND YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRAY.

don't hold back Lorenzo ... tell us how you really feel.

all kidding aside ... I agree.

should make an example of every single scammer and wannabe ......
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

money and grief is at bounty-hunter level now.

Len · 02-15-2008, 07:37 AM

The scary thing about this is they steal bonafide members details. Along with this comes the members reputation. If the member has a good rep the more likely you are to do business with them. Then the more likely you are going to get scammed before the fraud comes to light. Once this happens to you you won't trust anyone again....believe me it just happened to me yesterday on DP!

italiandragon · 02-15-2008, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Len

The scary thing about this is they steal bonafide members details. Along with this comes the members reputation. If the member has a good rep the more likely you are to do business with them. Then the more likely you are going to get scammed before the fraud comes to light. Once this happens to you you won't trust anyone again....believe me it just happened to me yesterday on DP!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
the bigger part of the problem is PayPal. If we all stop using PayPal they`ll go back scamming on eBay.

domainar · 02-15-2008, 07:56 AM

what happens if you click the link?

can you do anything about it?

filter · 02-15-2008, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by domainar

what happens if you click the link?

can you do anything about it?

if you followed the link and entered your login info on the bogus page, then better go to your profile page here on NP and change your password ASAP ...

domainar · 02-15-2008, 08:01 AM

i clicked on the link but i did NOT enter anything.
as soon as i saw it was not linking to NPs i closed the window.

filter · 02-15-2008, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by domainar

i clicked on the link but i did NOT enter anything.
as soon as i saw it was not linking to NPs i closed the window.

should be fine then, I don't think there's any cookie-snatching compromise they can do ...

Might be appropriate counter-measure to spam the spammer ... that is - visit their bogus login page and enter some bogus login info ... if enough people do this, then they'll have mostly garbage for their harvest. Maybe best to do it through a proxy service though, just to be on the safe side with regard to revealing your IP address. Extra-paranoid folks might want to first log out of NP to clear all cookies - but that's being gratuitous just for the sake of it - good security habit though.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

domainar · 02-15-2008, 08:14 AM

interesting idea, filter.
thanks for the fast help.
+ rep added.

Alex · 02-15-2008, 08:25 AM

If somehow Lorenzo, you will find out that these phishing scammers are from Eastern Europe, count me in whatever your plans are.

Stopping new member registrations is not a good idea, this is not the purpose of NP, the most open domain discussion forum. I think the staff is competent here, and will find a solution by which they will trace these scammers, and won't let them in to steal reputable members history.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Now you understand people why I use MB for payment? Even if I get a PM from a reputable member as Lorenzo is, I may not be 100% sure that it is him PM'ing me. By using a safe payment gateway, and refusing dealing with companies that protect scammers I am pretty well assured that I won't get scammed.

(Now I know Lorenzo is Lorenzo, I gave his example, because we know that he is indeed ItalianDragon and not smb else).

disarmed · 02-15-2008, 08:33 AM

Hello

I might have an idea on how to avoid being scammed. But first I would like to ask: what happens when the buyer initiates a chargeback but the seller's paypal and bank account has NO funds for the chargeback?

ernest

italiandragon · 02-15-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by disarmed

Hello

I might have an idea on how to avoid being scammed. But first I would like to ask: what happens when the buyer initiates a chargeback but the seller's paypal and bank account has NO funds for the chargeback?

ernest

PayPal balance goes negative and PayPal will come after you till you pay.

Originally Posted by Alex

If somehow Lorenzo, you will find out that these phishing scammers are from Eastern Europe, count me in whatever your plans are.

Stopping new member registrations is not a good idea, this is not the purpose of NP, the most open domain discussion forum. I think the staff is competent here, and will find a solution by which they will trace these scammers, and won't let them in to steal reputable members history.

Now you understand people why I use MB for payment? Even if I get a PM from a reputable member as Lorenzo is, I may not be 100% sure that it is him PM'ing me. By using a safe payment gateway, and refusing dealing with companies that protect scammers I am pretty well assured that I won't get scammed.

(Now I know Lorenzo is Lorenzo, I gave his example, because we know that he is indeed ItalianDragon and not smb else).

Thanks for the trust but I disagree, I could have my PayPal account cracked as well (because this is cracking not hacking if we need to use the correct terms).
I am not using PayPal anymore till all this is sorted out. (which probably will never happen with PayPal) so if anyone claims to be me: just send back an email address to the email in the whois asking if it`s me really......double check always , never trust anyone.

disarmed · 02-15-2008, 08:53 AM

Okay here's the idea: Guys n gals tell me what you think.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

1) Create a new premier paypal account. Do not add a credit card no. This account will become your middle-man account.

2) When receiving payment from buyers get them to send money to that middle-man account.

3) Do not push the domain to the buyer yet, do the following: send the money in your middle-man account to YOUR REAL ACCOUNT.

4) Push the domain to the buyer. If he or she initiates a chargeback. There is no money to chargeback from!! All the funds have been sent to your REAL account!!

5) I dunno if paypal will actually withdraw the funds you sent to your real account back to your middle-man account. If that happens then this method probably won't work.

I dunno much about paypal policy and stuff so I dunno if it will work. Please comment on this idea!

ernest

italiandragon · 02-15-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by disarmed

Okay here's the idea: Guys n gals tell me what you think.

1) Create a new premier paypal account. Do not add a credit card no. This account will become your middle-man account.

2) When receiving payment from buyers get them to send money to that middle-man account.

3) Do not push the domain to the buyer yet, do the following: send the money in your middle-man account to YOUR REAL ACCOUNT.

4) Push the domain to the buyer. If he or she initiates a chargeback. There is no money to chargeback from!! All the funds have been sent to your REAL account!!

5) I dunno if paypal will actually withdraw the funds you sent to your real account back to your middle-man account. If that happens then this method probably won't work.

I dunno much about paypal policy and stuff so I dunno if it will work. Please comment on this idea!

ernest

That`s WHY PayPal frooze all my accounts back last August when I was trying to protect me against another new buyer.

I had to fax my IDs to paypal + Bills and wasted so much time to release my money that they simply told that it`s not allowed to have more than 1 account for person and when I told them that they should do something about protection for non tangible items.......did they listen ?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Do you get it or not? People get divorced when things do not work but you people seem don`t want to leave PayPal?

Netizen · 02-15-2008, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by disarmed

Okay here's the idea: Guys n gals tell me what you think.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

1) Create a new premier paypal account. Do not add a credit card no. This account will become your middle-man account.

2) When receiving payment from buyers get them to send money to that middle-man account.

3) Do not push the domain to the buyer yet, do the following: send the money in your middle-man account to YOUR REAL ACCOUNT.

4) Push the domain to the buyer. If he or she initiates a chargeback. There is no money to chargeback from!! All the funds have been sent to your REAL account!!

5) I dunno if paypal will actually withdraw the funds you sent to your real account back to your middle-man account. If that happens then this method probably won't work.

I dunno much about paypal policy and stuff so I dunno if it will work. Please comment on this idea!

ernest

1. Logging into 2 premier accounts from same ip address isnt good idea when using paypal because if one account has issues and limited in use then another account becomes limited too.
2. Sooner or later you gotta pay that -amount as far as I know

bgmv · 02-15-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

the bigger part of the problem is PayPal. If we all stop using PayPal they`ll go back scamming on eBay.

Oh shit, if my UHKL.com on ebay turns out to be a fraudulent paypal account I will...I dont even know what I will do

Originally Posted by disarmed

Okay here's the idea: Guys n gals tell me what you think.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

1) Create a new premier paypal account. Do not add a credit card no. This account will become your middle-man account.

2) When receiving payment from buyers get them to send money to that middle-man account.

3) Do not push the domain to the buyer yet, do the following: send the money in your middle-man account to YOUR REAL ACCOUNT.

4) Push the domain to the buyer. If he or she initiates a chargeback. There is no money to chargeback from!! All the funds have been sent to your REAL account!!

5) I dunno if paypal will actually withdraw the funds you sent to your real account back to your middle-man account. If that happens then this method probably won't work.

I dunno much about paypal policy and stuff so I dunno if it will work. Please comment on this idea!

ernest

The only question is, how long do intertransfers take and I am pretty sure they will be able to trace the transfer.

When I recieved the $ for the stolen domains I instantly transfered them to my bank account, but they stopped the transfer...doesnt that mean the funds were not in their system anymore? Weren't they technically nowhere?

italiandragon · 02-15-2008, 09:38 AM

Even TDNAM is being scammed ( I sold twice 3 LLLL.com few days ago and both times buyers were fraudolent).

In other cases, TDNAM had to pay sellers who transfered domains after receiving authorisation messages from TDNAM and then buyer chargebacked so no way to get domains from other Registrars so TDNAM paid sellers and scammers got domains for free.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

I stopped using PayPal and stopped selling domains too unless I`m paid by wire to my bank account.

It`s becoming a mess as more people get in the industry also more scammers have seen that it`s so easy to scam domainers and when they do not even get punished there you go.....who is going to stop them?

It is getting so beyond control and so serious that if we do not stop it soon, it may crash the whole industry......the press and media already talk so bad about us that they only need to label domaining as "scammers paradise". :veryangry:

Netizen · 02-15-2008, 10:06 AM

Scammer in Dynadot marketplace

Some of my LLLL.Com domains are registered with DynaDot, and I put them in their marketplace just in order to entertain offers. couple of days ago I recieved some very good offers but I didnt bother replying that time and today when I wanted to reply this guy about considering offer on one of the domains he made offers on, I found out this thread on Dynadot forum when googling his mail id..

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
http://www.dynadot.com/resource/foru...om-s-1672.html

Probably they closed his account but still we have one lesson to learn

Lesson : Google each email ID You recieve from the buyer before making any Deal

02-14-2008, 07:33 PM	#201 (permalink)
GreenGambler Visit -- NameManor.com Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri--USA Posts: 3,494 Follow @ArtlicoiusArt	Please list all your stolen domains here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showt...52#post6560752 Only list your names and keep it clean and simple, this is to have one spot with all the stolen domains listed and nothing else for easy reference. I put the thread on DP because that is where most of the dirty deals have happened. __________________ Mewv.com is Currently for Sale on Ebay! Original Abstract Art Abstract Artwork For Sale

02-15-2008, 02:16 AM	#202 (permalink)
verbster Yup. It's cold. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 2,737	Speaking from experience, do not depend on GoDaddy office of the president for help against scammers; although their TOS allow them to help, they consistently side with scammers by taking no action, particularly Alon Waisman. __________________ A good domain name is worth more than money. I've got domains up the Wazoo...wanna buy some?

02-15-2008, 07:13 AM	#208 (permalink)
D-K Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver: cloudfield.com Posts: 1,225	I think the Namepros staff and the Mods should now take a stand and protect us from this!!!!!! They should now stop all new member registrations on Namepros untill there system here is clean of scammers all what is happening is you report Asys he then just pops along and creates another account. And a member on NP will click the link and will pass over there info and another NP is cheated. If they stop new members from joining any scammers on Namepros will be filtered out and banned. Also banning there IP address Last edited by Jack.Whisky; 02-17-2008 at 06:39 AM.

02-15-2008, 08:25 AM	#217 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,132	If somehow Lorenzo, you will find out that these phishing scammers are from Eastern Europe, count me in whatever your plans are. Stopping new member registrations is not a good idea, this is not the purpose of NP, the most open domain discussion forum. I think the staff is competent here, and will find a solution by which they will trace these scammers, and won't let them in to steal reputable members history. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450 Now you understand people why I use MB for payment? Even if I get a PM from a reputable member as Lorenzo is, I may not be 100% sure that it is him PM'ing me. By using a safe payment gateway, and refusing dealing with companies that protect scammers I am pretty well assured that I won't get scammed. (Now I know Lorenzo is Lorenzo, I gave his example, because we know that he is indeed ItalianDragon and not smb else). __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

02-15-2008, 09:38 AM	#224 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,438	Even TDNAM is being scammed ( I sold twice 3 LLLL.com few days ago and both times buyers were fraudolent). In other cases, TDNAM had to pay sellers who transfered domains after receiving authorisation messages from TDNAM and then buyer chargebacked so no way to get domains from other Registrars so TDNAM paid sellers and scammers got domains for free. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450 I stopped using PayPal and stopped selling domains too unless I`m paid by wire to my bank account. It`s becoming a mess as more people get in the industry also more scammers have seen that it`s so easy to scam domainers and when they do not even get punished there you go.....who is going to stop them? It is getting so beyond control and so serious that if we do not stop it soon, it may crash the whole industry......the press and media already talk so bad about us that they only need to label domaining as "scammers paradise". :veryangry: __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

02-15-2008, 03:26 AM	#203 (permalink)
Argos Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: fyfy.com Posts: 2,021	What is that again ???? Received this 'pm' a few minutes ago. Don't try to log in through their link ! saurabh New Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 0 NP$: 0.00 (Donate) guess a 5 dig word and win watch.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- hello friends i m selling 100 5 dig domains all pronounceable word http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-...-words-ll.html but i m new here so to make my thread popular I m holding a contest ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/425450-warning-how-avoid-domain-scams-scammers.html U r to guess the names of domain i m selling if u guess even one name from my domain list i will give u watch . com for free (the site has more than 1000 hits every day) u can guess only 3 names not more than three i will post the winner as soon as the right word is guessed so go on guessing and good luck

02-15-2008, 07:37 AM	#210 (permalink)
Len dot TV'er Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,757	The scary thing about this is they steal bonafide members details. Along with this comes the members reputation. If the member has a good rep the more likely you are to do business with them. Then the more likely you are going to get scammed before the fraud comes to light. Once this happens to you you won't trust anyone again....believe me it just happened to me yesterday on DP!

02-15-2008, 07:56 AM	#212 (permalink)
domainar NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 91	what happens if you click the link? can you do anything about it?

02-15-2008, 08:01 AM	#214 (permalink)
domainar NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 91	i clicked on the link but i did NOT enter anything. as soon as i saw it was not linking to NPs i closed the window.

02-15-2008, 08:14 AM	#216 (permalink)
domainar NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 91	interesting idea, filter. thanks for the fast help. + rep added.

02-15-2008, 08:33 AM	#218 (permalink)
disarmed NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lalaland Posts: 395	Hello I might have an idea on how to avoid being scammed. But first I would like to ask: what happens when the buyer initiates a chargeback but the seller's paypal and bank account has NO funds for the chargeback? ernest

02-15-2008, 08:53 AM	#220 (permalink)
disarmed NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lalaland Posts: 395	Okay here's the idea: Guys n gals tell me what you think. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450 1) Create a new premier paypal account. Do not add a credit card no. This account will become your middle-man account. 2) When receiving payment from buyers get them to send money to that middle-man account. 3) Do not push the domain to the buyer yet, do the following: send the money in your middle-man account to YOUR REAL ACCOUNT. 4) Push the domain to the buyer. If he or she initiates a chargeback. There is no money to chargeback from!! All the funds have been sent to your REAL account!! 5) I dunno if paypal will actually withdraw the funds you sent to your real account back to your middle-man account. If that happens then this method probably won't work. I dunno much about paypal policy and stuff so I dunno if it will work. Please comment on this idea! ernest

02-15-2008, 10:06 AM	#225 (permalink)
Netizen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,921	Scammer in Dynadot marketplace Some of my LLLL.Com domains are registered with DynaDot, and I put them in their marketplace just in order to entertain offers. couple of days ago I recieved some very good offers but I didnt bother replying that time and today when I wanted to reply this guy about considering offer on one of the domains he made offers on, I found out this thread on Dynadot forum when googling his mail id.. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450 http://www.dynadot.com/resource/foru...om-s-1672.html Probably they closed his account but still we have one lesson to learn Lesson : Google each email ID You recieve from the buyer before making any Deal

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