WARNING: How to Avoid Domain Scams and Scammers - Page 3

AzN · 01-30-2008, 06:03 PM

Another whois alias he uses:

Quote:

Administrative Contact:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/425450-warning-how-avoid-domain-scams-scammers.html
nospam, kev kevdomain@yahoo.com
wawan inc
besole rt 01/02 no 426 bayan
Purworejo, jawa tengah 54223
Indonesia
85228027397

epasaport · 01-30-2008, 06:11 PM

edited

h3rm4w4n · 01-30-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by AzN

Administrative Contact:
nospam, kev kevdomain@yahoo.com
wawan inc
besole rt 01/02 no 426 bayan
Purworejo, jawa tengah 54223
Indonesia
85228027397

it's my stolen domain.
I push to him just change name and email..
he mailed me using:
kevnospam@aol.com

**Dave Zan** · 01-30-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Broker

I dont understand how people fall victim to this. As long as the buyers paypal account information and registrars account information match 100% how can he use a charge back and get away with it?

Originally Posted by zurc.net

How in the world does paypal allow all these charge backs.

If the PayPal account was funded by a credit card, PayPal can hardly do a thing
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
against approved chargebacks by credit card companies. That's one thing they
have little to no control over.

Kudos to the OP for starting this. Stay alert, everyone.

Diabro · 01-30-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Maybe we should send someoen to visit him....

I invite everyone to start selling by Ecrow services , especially Moniker`s Escrow.....the safest.

Well actually this is not a bad idea. See, countries with weak laws work BOTH ways. Seek out a less than reputable Private Investigator in the country. Ask him to take some pictures of the person. The after you get the pics say you will pay a few hundred extra bucks for a picture of his teeth. Nothing else, just his teeth on a white sheet.

filter · 01-30-2008, 07:46 PM

I'm not a big fan of gratuitous violence ... but in this case ... considering the real misery that this sort of theft causes both to the direct victims, and all the GREAT TRADERS in Romania and Russia and many other of the presumed "risky business" locations - a few of whom I've enjoyed really good luck doing profitable, honorable deals with in the last few months.

One thing to also be aware of - it's just as easy for a scammer to be sitting in a boiler room in Brooklyn and throwing out red herrings to distant locations to discourage pursuit. Plenty of creeps trying to rip people off right here in the good old U. S. of A. too. Though this guy seems pretty clearly to be a confirmed idiot of the Romanian persuasion this time ....

I think our man in Romania "Investigator Alex" is on the case now anyway ... Didn't know he was a wrestler (just knew he was about 2 meters tall, and approximately as wide!) ... that certainly adds a new dimension for Marian to contemplate as he reviews his dental insurance policy.

wibrodomains · 01-30-2008, 07:51 PM

If you want to email him kevnospam@aol.com or admin@romaniapenet.com

That aol email address is working he talked to me on Aol Instant messenger awhile back----

italiandragon · 01-30-2008, 10:00 PM

In regards of the PayPal chargebacks and similar scamming problems, I advice you guys to have a good read at this thread:

http://www.dnforum.com/f34/paypal-sa...ad-274318.html

PayPal is not safe and I personally limit the usage of it for low amount with trusted people.

Charley · 01-31-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Broker

I dont understand how people fall victim to this.

It's not easy to find whether it is a real buyer or scammer. Once things like these happen, then you realize your on the wrong end.

***mwzd*** · 01-31-2008, 02:16 AM

I use escrow.com for anything above $500. And wire for anything over $1k or even xoom.com (uses paypal).

Its better to be safe than sorry, I'd rather keep my domains than make a sale which refunds... sorry to hear about all your troubles.

I've also warned about another scammer on the loose in my other post in this thread.

Originally Posted by Alex

If I do not trust somebody I advise them to use MB, there is no recharge possible.

Another popular misconception. I am not a moneybookers user but I did research them when someone offered to use their escrow -
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

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https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=terms

7.4. When Customer receives a payment through the Service, he/she is NOT protected against a subsequent reversal of the transaction. Examples of such a reversal include, but are not limited to, a credit card reversal by the sender of the payment and a reversal of the transaction because the sender of the payment was using a stolen credit card or unauthorised bank account.
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Alex · 01-31-2008, 03:18 PM

Marian just emailed me from a Kev email, and told me that he read the thread, he has no time now to stay on the internet but he promises to get back here in the next days.

I hope he will do the right thing, I just replied to his email, and I really hope the boy comes to his mind.

Sincerely, I am (ok, was) a wrestler etc, but I would love this to end without involving third parties. I hope he will do the right thing.

And I hope those "next days" will be very soon, and won't be used just to get some extra time. Everybody please search for your domains on google etc, so that they are not sold again. I will give him 2 days myself. It is very enough time to contemplate, and get a connection

wibrodomains · 01-31-2008, 03:37 PM

Please Note He Pushed The Domains To Me---im Me If You Lost Them To Him
I TALKED TO HIM ON IM FOR 30 MINS---HE AGREED TO HAND OVER 14 DOMAINS--HE WAS COOL AND DID IT--I HOPE THIS GUY STOPS THIS

DomainName1 · 01-31-2008, 04:50 PM

Wibro is a man of his word! Thanks Wibro for the rocovery of my name! I have learned a valueable lesson....ESCROW Always!

wibrodomains · 01-31-2008, 05:24 PM

Thanks---glad To Help You All Out---the Guy Was Very Nice And Agreed He Did Wrong And Had No Problem Pushing Them To Me---we Have Talked In The Past

GreenGambler · 01-31-2008, 05:53 PM

Wow, that's amazing that you recovered the domain names Wibro.. Props and rep added

I am a PayPal user and this thread is really scaring me.. ha. I've had over 100 successful domain transactions, w/o any scams. Thank God.

I am starting to integrate paypal onto my site so that people can just buy names from my site but now after reading this I'm no so sure if I should proceed. PayPal is extremly popular and so many people allready use it that it is very convinient to use. But the lack of chargeback protection does have me a little worried.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

I think that PayPal and GoDaddy should work together to protect sellers from having this happen. If a chargeback happens via PayPal, GoDaddy should ensure the return of the domain name if the seller files a complaint.

btw: I see at the bottom that kevnospam is reading this thread right now. Shouldn't that IP be banned or something?

Diabro · 01-31-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by wibrodomains

Please Note He Pushed The Domains To Me---im Me If You Lost Them To Him
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
I TALKED TO HIM ON IM FOR 30 MINS---HE AGREED TO HAND OVER 14 DOMAINS--HE WAS COOL AND DID IT--I HOPE THIS GUY STOPS THIS

Thank you. That is an awesome job. I am still trying to contact someone there locally to talk to him. I am assuming this is how things are handled there and who am I to pass judgement?

wibrodomains · 01-31-2008, 06:59 PM

Namepros should give me a 1 million namepro bucks for a reward---LOL

mplswifi · 01-31-2008, 07:29 PM

I've been following this thread and i can say im just really impressed with the helpfulness and assistance the NamePro members offer to their fellow domainer. I just think this is what a community is all about. I am glad to be a NP member.

Hats off to everyone who has contributed to this happy ending.

mhdoc · 01-31-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by wibrodomains

Namepros should give me a 1 million namepro bucks for a reward---LOL

I started that off with 50

filter · 01-31-2008, 07:49 PM

continued with another 50 ...

Don · 01-31-2008, 07:52 PM

I'm sorry guys - I'm not yet convinced that this all isn't just an attempt to buy this guy more time.

Has everyone gotten their names back? Or at least SOMEONE that doesn't have a feedback of only 1.

I have a hard time believing a scammer would go through all this trouble - just to give the names back.

It just doesn't sit well with me.

I hope this is honestly taking a turn for the better... but I'm NOT convinced yet.

***EG.domains*** · 01-31-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by wibrodomains

Namepros should give me a 1 million namepro bucks for a reward---LOL

Just got your PM .. waiting for GoDaddy email

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Rep ++
982NP$ sent.

Great Job what you did really

Don · 01-31-2008, 08:09 PM

This scam wasn't limited to LLLL.com's.

He also stole 3 character .coms.

It'd be real easy - to give the LLLL's back (to get the majority of people off his back) and keep the 3 character names for a nice profit.

Don't back off his case until EVERYTHING has been returned!

Wibro - did he also transfer all of the 3 character .coms he stole?

h3rm4w4n · 01-31-2008, 08:11 PM

thanks wibro and other who help to get back my aq0.com , it is a real valuable lesson more than my domain value...

wibrodomains · 01-31-2008, 08:15 PM

Trust me he stoled 3 letter.coms I already handed over few 3 letter.coms

01-30-2008, 06:11 PM	#52 (permalink)
epasaport Account Closed Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 517	edited Last edited by epasaport; 01-31-2008 at 03:29 PM.

01-30-2008, 07:51 PM	#57 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	If you want to email him kevnospam@aol.com or admin@romaniapenet.com That aol email address is working he talked to me on Aol Instant messenger awhile back---- Last edited by wibrodomains; 01-30-2008 at 07:58 PM.

01-30-2008, 10:00 PM	#58 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,438	In regards of the PayPal chargebacks and similar scamming problems, I advice you guys to have a good read at this thread: http://www.dnforum.com/f34/paypal-sa...ad-274318.html PayPal is not safe and I personally limit the usage of it for low amount with trusted people. __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

01-31-2008, 03:18 PM	#61 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,132	Marian just emailed me from a Kev email, and told me that he read the thread, he has no time now to stay on the internet but he promises to get back here in the next days. I hope he will do the right thing, I just replied to his email, and I really hope the boy comes to his mind. Sincerely, I am (ok, was) a wrestler etc, but I would love this to end without involving third parties. I hope he will do the right thing. And I hope those "next days" will be very soon, and won't be used just to get some extra time. Everybody please search for your domains on google etc, so that they are not sold again. I will give him 2 days myself. It is very enough time to contemplate, and get a connection __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

01-31-2008, 05:53 PM	#65 (permalink)
GreenGambler Visit -- NameManor.com Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri--USA Posts: 3,494 Follow @ArtlicoiusArt	Wow, that's amazing that you recovered the domain names Wibro.. Props and rep added I am a PayPal user and this thread is really scaring me.. ha. I've had over 100 successful domain transactions, w/o any scams. Thank God. I am starting to integrate paypal onto my site so that people can just buy names from my site but now after reading this I'm no so sure if I should proceed. PayPal is extremly popular and so many people allready use it that it is very convinient to use. But the lack of chargeback protection does have me a little worried. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450 I think that PayPal and GoDaddy should work together to protect sellers from having this happen. If a chargeback happens via PayPal, GoDaddy should ensure the return of the domain name if the seller files a complaint. btw: I see at the bottom that kevnospam is reading this thread right now. Shouldn't that IP be banned or something? __________________ Mewv.com is Currently for Sale on Ebay! Original Abstract Art Abstract Artwork For Sale Last edited by GreenGambler; 01-31-2008 at 06:13 PM.

01-30-2008, 07:46 PM	#56 (permalink)
filter Domain Wanker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,617	I'm not a big fan of gratuitous violence ... but in this case ... considering the real misery that this sort of theft causes both to the direct victims, and all the GREAT TRADERS in Romania and Russia and many other of the presumed "risky business" locations - a few of whom I've enjoyed really good luck doing profitable, honorable deals with in the last few months. One thing to also be aware of - it's just as easy for a scammer to be sitting in a boiler room in Brooklyn and throwing out red herrings to distant locations to discourage pursuit. Plenty of creeps trying to rip people off right here in the good old U. S. of A. too. Though this guy seems pretty clearly to be a confirmed idiot of the Romanian persuasion this time .... I think our man in Romania "Investigator Alex" is on the case now anyway ... Didn't know he was a wrestler (just knew he was about 2 meters tall, and approximately as wide!) ... that certainly adds a new dimension for Marian to contemplate as he reviews his dental insurance policy.

01-31-2008, 03:37 PM	#62 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Please Note He Pushed The Domains To Me---im Me If You Lost Them To Him I TALKED TO HIM ON IM FOR 30 MINS---HE AGREED TO HAND OVER 14 DOMAINS--HE WAS COOL AND DID IT--I HOPE THIS GUY STOPS THIS

01-31-2008, 04:50 PM	#63 (permalink)
DomainName1 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 376	Wibro is a man of his word! Thanks Wibro for the rocovery of my name! I have learned a valueable lesson....ESCROW Always!

01-31-2008, 05:24 PM	#64 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Thanks---glad To Help You All Out---the Guy Was Very Nice And Agreed He Did Wrong And Had No Problem Pushing Them To Me---we Have Talked In The Past

01-31-2008, 06:59 PM	#67 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Namepros should give me a 1 million namepro bucks for a reward---LOL

01-31-2008, 07:29 PM	#68 (permalink)
mplswifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,172 Follow @BigTicketNames	I've been following this thread and i can say im just really impressed with the helpfulness and assistance the NamePro members offer to their fellow domainer. I just think this is what a community is all about. I am glad to be a NP member. Hats off to everyone who has contributed to this happy ending. __________________ BigTicketNames.com Premium Domain Names-Take a look.. RemoveMyJailPic.com Restore your reputation

01-31-2008, 07:49 PM	#70 (permalink)
filter Domain Wanker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,617	continued with another 50 ...

01-31-2008, 07:52 PM	#71 (permalink)
Don Live Chat Operator Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NY Posts: 932	I'm sorry guys - I'm not yet convinced that this all isn't just an attempt to buy this guy more time. Has everyone gotten their names back? Or at least SOMEONE that doesn't have a feedback of only 1. I have a hard time believing a scammer would go through all this trouble - just to give the names back. It just doesn't sit well with me. I hope this is honestly taking a turn for the better... but I'm NOT convinced yet. __________________ ` ... . Last edited by greatdomainz; 01-31-2008 at 07:56 PM.

01-31-2008, 08:09 PM	#73 (permalink)
Don Live Chat Operator Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NY Posts: 932	This scam wasn't limited to LLLL.com's. He also stole 3 character .coms. It'd be real easy - to give the LLLL's back (to get the majority of people off his back) and keep the 3 character names for a nice profit. Don't back off his case until EVERYTHING has been returned! Wibro - did he also transfer all of the 3 character .coms he stole? __________________ ` ... .

01-31-2008, 08:11 PM	#74 (permalink)
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01-31-2008, 08:15 PM	#75 (permalink)
wibrodomains Account Closed Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 241	Trust me he stoled 3 letter.coms I already handed over few 3 letter.coms

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