WARNING: How to Avoid Domain Scams and Scammers - Page 10

Malaysia · 02-15-2008, 11:39 AM

The world has changed for domainers..its no longer safe to sell domains wif paypal account.. i think the thread started shud post all the names of the scammers on teh first post so ppl can be aware of the scammers names n address n emails..

Alex · 02-15-2008, 01:21 PM

Here is a PM conversation I had with a member with a good TR over at Namepros.

He might be a victim of the phishing attack, I know the real member is honest.

Red flags:

- he made offer for LLLL's
- he made offer only for domains at Godaddy
- he can pay only by Paypal even if I stated in my thread with bold that I accept MB only.

Sorry in advance if the buyer is legit, but I need to warn everybody. Staff already alerted.

$486- $49 = $437

Payment by MB.

Alex
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/425450-warning-how-avoid-domain-scams-scammers.html

Originally Posted by Doomm
LTNQ.COM - 9/23/2008 - $110
NGJU.COM - 7/28/2008 - $99
UTPJ.COM - 7/25/2008 - $99
VPOJ.COM - 9/24/2008 - $99
ZDVG.COM - 9/10/2008 - $79

these 5 what is bulk price + discount?

Last message:

I can do 435 paypal verified.

Member is Doomm: http://www.namepros.com/members/62778.html

Beware and again sorry in advance for any missunderstanding. If upon investigation NP staff finds everything is ok, then I'll delete this post.

max68 · 02-15-2008, 01:28 PM

And is getting even worse, someone changed my Godaddy password, so you better check your accounts and make sure you still can log in. My paypal debit card doesn't work anymore and I just withdraw money few days ago. For now I froze any transaction and just watch out, you guys make sure you have everything in place.

bgmv · 02-15-2008, 01:32 PM

I thought of something else today regarding the PayPal chargeback. How does PayPal know, that the person whose account was hacked isnt commiting fraud? I mean anyone can say they didnt authorize the transaction especially for the delivery of an INTANGIBLE item such as a domain name. If the seller isnt covered for Intangible items then why should the buyer be covered for Intangibles, hacked account or not? Why is PayPal so refund happy when it comes to the buyer, they are losing money in the end.

I dont know if im making sense or not, ive been up all night!

Mark · 02-15-2008, 01:42 PM

Folks - I'd highly suggest No One does any Deals/Sales on LLLL's for now.

Alex · 02-15-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mark

Folks - I'd highly suggest No One does any Deals/Sales on LLLL's for now.

Good suggestion. But scammers are also for CCC.com's and LLL.org's (see past scams).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Personally I would not do any Paypal transaction, but I do not used them before neither.

Len · 02-15-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by bgmv

I thought of something else today regarding the PayPal chargeback. How does PayPal know, that the person whose account was hacked isnt commiting fraud? I mean anyone can say they didnt authorize the transaction especially for the delivery of an INTANGIBLE item such as a domain name. If the seller isnt covered for Intangible items then why should the buyer be covered for Intangibles, hacked account or not? Why is PayPal so refund happy when it comes to the buyer, they are losing money in the end.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

I dont know if im making sense or not, ive been up all night!

I too thought about this....Seems like the guy is pretty quick to say his Paypal account has been used fraudulently! It is so easy to open an account at godaddy and use another email address that is completly different than your Paypal. Get domains transferred to your account and then contact paypal and say it wasn't you that made the transaction! You can then wait till the heat is off and transfer the domains at a later date to your "Real" godaddy account. Whoever is doing this is being aided and abetted by Godaddy IMO as they won't help you whatsoever. It's a total joke that they think the "Thief" is a third party that you can negotiate with!!!

Netizen · 02-15-2008, 01:50 PM

How about we exchange SMS when dealing with a new member or in case doubts, to verify the location of buyer? it just came to my mind as an option to feel a bit secure???

Alex · 02-15-2008, 01:55 PM

Guys really.. better we stop selling for now. NP management needs some time to clear this up, to verify who the scammers are.

We have more to loose than to win.

***EG.domains*** · 02-15-2008, 01:58 PM

Doomm (Account Closed)

I'm not sure if he is a real scammer or someone hacked his NP account today. I hope NamePros Management confirm about him.

Alex · 02-15-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by EG.domains

Doomm (Account Closed)

I'm not sure if he is a real scammer or someone hacked his NP account today. I hope NamePros Management confirm about him.

That was fast. I know the staff works to find out who felt a victim to the phishing attack, but we need to give them time.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Everybody is in danger if doing deals by PP, even if the member has good TR now.

Let's just help as much as we can, and report everything suspicious, and do not make deals with these liquid domains (IMO, not just LLLL's). Not using Paypal anyway.

Netizen · 02-15-2008, 02:01 PM

When I check by User no. a lot of new regiserations are like tbx_3001, d-evil_boy etc. and I belive many of such IDs are created by scammers..

***EG.domains*** · 02-15-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by EG.domains

Doomm (Account Closed)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

I'm not sure if he is a real scammer or someone hacked his NP account today. I hope NamePros Management confirm about him.

His DP account.

His eBay account.

He is an active seller with good feedback. He also sold LLLL.com domain to ebatcave on 10 Feb 2008

Again I'm not sure if he is a real scammer or someone hacked his NP account today.

Alex · 02-15-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by EG.domains

His DP account.

His eBay account.

He is an active seller with good feedback. He also sold LLLL.com domain to ebatcave on 10 Feb 2008

Again I'm not sure if he is a real scammer or someone hacked his NP account today.

Most probably it was hacked today. You can't trust anybody these crazy days.

epasaport · 02-15-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Netizen

How about we exchange SMS when dealing with a new member or in case doubts, to verify the location of buyer? it just came to my mind as an option to feel a bit secure???

There are programs and web sites you can send and receive sms, scammers can buy telephone numbers and fax numbers with stolen credit cards via internet instantly

***EG.domains*** · 02-15-2008, 02:18 PM

Reece, can you edit the title to "Scammers" instead of "Scammer" .. it's not about 1 scammer now

-REECE- · 02-15-2008, 02:20 PM

It's very sad to hear all of this, although I'm glad this thread got made so that word could get out about how severe this problem has become...

I'll ask Mark to change the title and will make sure this thread stays stickied permanently if necessary.

Originally Posted by EG.domains

Reece, can you edit the title to "Scammers" instead of "Scammer" .. it's not about 1 scammer now

Netizen · 02-15-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by epasaport

There are programs and web sites you can send and receive sms, scammers can buy telephone numbers and fax numbers with stolen credit cards via internet instantly

Now the only option left is to move your domains from godaddy to some other registrars like moniker or dynadot

because paypal isnt going to listen to you at all

***EG.domains*** · 02-15-2008, 02:25 PM

Since DP announced that "Money Exchanges, User Accounts and VCC Sales are Not Allowed!" Scammers found that Paypal + Domains = just a better fraud field!

sdsinc · 02-15-2008, 02:27 PM

By the way don't be a victim. Now is a good time to review and change your passwords here and there...

bgmv · 02-15-2008, 02:28 PM

just came across something that I thought I would inquire about. I checked the whois for TKZD.com, one of the ones stolen and it seems like the scammer changed the NS from sedoparking.com to BODIS.com . The site that is up at TKZD.com has links to under 18 pornography, as far as I know in the United States any pornographic material cannot contain persons under the age of 18.

Under their domain agreement, section 7, it states that, " Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography."
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Correct me if Im wrong but does this not constitute as an infraction? Why would GD allow the change of a NS, I reported this specific domain to be inquired by WhoIs.

Len · 02-15-2008, 02:29 PM

Maybe it's time to make new members pay a membership fee and only be allowed to use the forum once the payment is confirmed. Scammers don't like to have to pay to scam and would have to have a real account to pay for their membership. Just thinking outloud!

netklick · 02-15-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

It's very sad to hear all of this, although I'm glad this thread got made so that word could get out about how severe this problem has become...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

I'll ask Mark to change the title and will make sure this thread stays stickied permanently if necessary.

This really is very sad. I for happened to only use Paypal all these days and am left with no alternative to switch quickly.

Is it better to sell through eBay then so that atleast you have protection for like 60 days or something? or eBay don't care as well?

Len · 02-15-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by bgmv

just came across something that I thought I would inquire about. I checked the whois for TKZD.com, one of the ones stolen and it seems like the scammer changed the NS from sedoparking.com to BODIS.com . The site that is up at TKZD.com has links to under 18 pornography, as far as I know in the United States any pornographic material cannot contain persons under the age of 18.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450

Under their domain agreement, section 7, it states that, " Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography."

Correct me if Im wrong but does this not constitute as an infraction? Why would GD allow the change of a NS, I reported this specific domain to be inquired by WhoIs.

If it has been changed to Bodis contact Matt and see if he can find out who is using it. May lead us to the scammers?

Alex · 02-15-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by netklick

This really is very sad. I for happened to only use Paypal all these days and am left with no alternative to switch quickly.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450
Use Moneybookers. No chargebacks. See this thread:
http://www.namepros.com/the-break-ro...eybookers.html

02-15-2008, 11:39 AM	#226 (permalink)
Malaysia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3,278	The world has changed for domainers..its no longer safe to sell domains wif paypal account.. i think the thread started shud post all the names of the scammers on teh first post so ppl can be aware of the scammers names n address n emails.. __________________ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ ██████Work Smart Play Hard! ████

02-15-2008, 01:21 PM	#227 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,132	Here is a PM conversation I had with a member with a good TR over at Namepros. He might be a victim of the phishing attack, I know the real member is honest. Red flags: - he made offer for LLLL's - he made offer only for domains at Godaddy - he can pay only by Paypal even if I stated in my thread with bold that I accept MB only. Sorry in advance if the buyer is legit, but I need to warn everybody. Staff already alerted. $486- $49 = $437 Payment by MB. Alex ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/425450-warning-how-avoid-domain-scams-scammers.html Originally Posted by Doomm LTNQ.COM - 9/23/2008 - $110 NGJU.COM - 7/28/2008 - $99 UTPJ.COM - 7/25/2008 - $99 VPOJ.COM - 9/24/2008 - $99 ZDVG.COM - 9/10/2008 - $79 these 5 what is bulk price + discount? Last message: I can do 435 paypal verified. Member is Doomm: http://www.namepros.com/members/62778.html Beware and again sorry in advance for any missunderstanding. If upon investigation NP staff finds everything is ok, then I'll delete this post. __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

02-15-2008, 01:32 PM	#229 (permalink)
bgmv Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: bgmv.com Posts: 2,388 Follow @bvardag	I thought of something else today regarding the PayPal chargeback. How does PayPal know, that the person whose account was hacked isnt commiting fraud? I mean anyone can say they didnt authorize the transaction especially for the delivery of an INTANGIBLE item such as a domain name. If the seller isnt covered for Intangible items then why should the buyer be covered for Intangibles, hacked account or not? Why is PayPal so refund happy when it comes to the buyer, they are losing money in the end. I dont know if im making sense or not, ive been up all night! __________________ HVAC Training Michael Myers Mask Joan Miro Great Keppel Island Calculadora Gratis Enclosed Car Transport Paperless Office Blood Diamonds SEO Boca Raton Serenity Prayer

02-15-2008, 01:42 PM	#230 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,567	Folks - I'd highly suggest No One does any Deals/Sales on LLLL's for now. __________________ When the man at the door yelled "Alcohol , Tobacco , and Firearms" .... I just assumed it was a delivery !

02-15-2008, 01:55 PM	#234 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,132	Guys really.. better we stop selling for now. NP management needs some time to clear this up, to verify who the scammers are. We have more to loose than to win. __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

02-15-2008, 01:28 PM	#228 (permalink)
max68 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Domainers World Posts: 1,233	And is getting even worse, someone changed my Godaddy password, so you better check your accounts and make sure you still can log in. My paypal debit card doesn't work anymore and I just withdraw money few days ago. For now I froze any transaction and just watch out, you guys make sure you have everything in place.

02-15-2008, 01:50 PM	#233 (permalink)
Netizen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,921	How about we exchange SMS when dealing with a new member or in case doubts, to verify the location of buyer? it just came to my mind as an option to feel a bit secure???

02-15-2008, 01:58 PM	#235 (permalink)
*EG.domains* GenericDomainMarket.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,040	Doomm (Account Closed) I'm not sure if he is a real scammer or someone hacked his NP account today. I hope NamePros Management confirm about him. __________________ ► Generic & Premium Domains for sale! Last edited by EG.domains; 02-15-2008 at 02:05 PM.

02-15-2008, 02:01 PM	#237 (permalink)
Netizen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,921	When I check by User no. a lot of new regiserations are like tbx_3001, d-evil_boy etc. and I belive many of such IDs are created by scammers..

02-15-2008, 02:18 PM	#241 (permalink)
*EG.domains* GenericDomainMarket.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,040	Reece, can you edit the title to "Scammers" instead of "Scammer" .. it's not about 1 scammer now __________________ ► Generic & Premium Domains for sale!

02-15-2008, 02:25 PM	#244 (permalink)
*EG.domains* GenericDomainMarket.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,040	Since DP announced that "Money Exchanges, User Accounts and VCC Sales are Not Allowed!" Scammers found that Paypal + Domains = just a better fraud field! __________________ ► Generic & Premium Domains for sale!

02-15-2008, 02:27 PM	#245 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,558	By the way don't be a victim. Now is a good time to review and change your passwords here and there... __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

02-15-2008, 02:28 PM	#246 (permalink)
bgmv Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: bgmv.com Posts: 2,388 Follow @bvardag	just came across something that I thought I would inquire about. I checked the whois for TKZD.com, one of the ones stolen and it seems like the scammer changed the NS from sedoparking.com to BODIS.com . The site that is up at TKZD.com has links to under 18 pornography, as far as I know in the United States any pornographic material cannot contain persons under the age of 18. Under their domain agreement, section 7, it states that, " Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography." ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=425450 Correct me if Im wrong but does this not constitute as an infraction? Why would GD allow the change of a NS, I reported this specific domain to be inquired by WhoIs. __________________ HVAC Training Michael Myers Mask Joan Miro Great Keppel Island Calculadora Gratis Enclosed Car Transport Paperless Office Blood Diamonds SEO Boca Raton Serenity Prayer

02-15-2008, 02:29 PM	#247 (permalink)
Len dot TV'er Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,757	Maybe it's time to make new members pay a membership fee and only be allowed to use the forum once the payment is confirmed. Scammers don't like to have to pay to scam and would have to have a real account to pay for their membership. Just thinking outloud!

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