I Hear Ya!

Alex · 01-09-2008, 02:47 AM

I checked the registrant search at DomainTools.com, and they show netsol owns 185 domains. At least we can check this way how accurate that is too.

Sorry for the offtopic.

Pred · 01-09-2008, 02:57 AM

did my bit lol
great work guys

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WHOIS

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 03:06 AM

ROFL

I bet the press will have a field day with some of these names!

Originally Posted by arnie

did my bit lol
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great work guys

WHOIS
WHOIS

Pred · 01-09-2008, 03:20 AM

hehe

**Dave Zan** · 01-09-2008, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by phlights.com

This is a prime example of a company taking people's ideas and reselling them for an inflated profit.

Isn't there a saying that goes something like "ideas are a dime a dozen"? Who is
to say this or that idea is yours, especially if using someone else's service?

I just tested one through NetSol's availability search and saw the price is $34.99
a year. That's their normal storefront price, so I'm not sure what's the issue with
so-called inflated profit since it's their service to price as they see fit.

Another thing I'm not sure is why one would even lookup a domain through them,
then try to register it with another registrar instead. Why not look through that
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registrar anyway since some of you naturally don't agree with NetSol's price?

Like I said, I can understand this rather interesting measure in trying to resolve
the issue of "domain front running" by domain tasters. If ICANN finally comes up
with a solution to this, I'm sure NetSol will drop this completely.

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 03:44 AM

NetSol's customers are largely businesses -- not exactly the kind of people that are going to run out and register their name at Godaddy so they can save what amounts to less than 8 cents a day..

This is just another one of their lame excuses to further profits... I'd really love to see domainers search enough names through proxies to make this unprofitable for them... I wonder how long they'd run "this service which is in the best interest of their customers" if it was unprofitable

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Originally Posted by Dave Zan

If ICANN finally comes up
with a solution to this, I'm sure NetSol will drop this completely.

Yofie · 01-09-2008, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by alexsimon

Unfortunately they will delete it in 4 days. And I wouldn't give them a tip, because there are some (rare) 5L.com's that actually receive traffic, still hanging unregistered.

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I wonder how long this will last.

With a snowball effect, this could last well longer then 4 days. Considering the tasters have lists of domains that are registered/dropped, and they check them for redrops on the 4th day. Considering they do not look at what the domains are, there is a good chance tasters will be picking these up when netsol redrops them in 4 days... So 4 days could really lead to 8, then 12, then 16 and maybe even 20 days!

Pred · 01-09-2008, 05:28 AM

rofl.
TRUE!!!!!

networkmsia · 01-09-2008, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Yofie

With a snowball effect, this could last well longer then 4 days. Considering the tasters have lists of domains that are registered/dropped, and they check them for redrops on the 4th day. Considering they do not look at what the domains are, there is a good chance tasters will be picking these up when netsol redrops them in 4 days... So 4 days could really lead to 8, then 12, then 16 and maybe even 20 days!

this is very true.
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in this way, every single LLLLL, LLLLLL, and LLLLLLL.com will be gone. and perhaps an LLLLL.com will sell for a minimum of 10k.

accent · 01-09-2008, 06:46 AM

Registerfly is still in business - living proof that ICANN is toothless.

I have been wondering if a taster's servers should crash just before they were supposed to send in the cancelation notices - would they not then be the proud owner of one year's registration of every one of those domains???

npcomplete · 01-09-2008, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Reece

NetSol's customers are largely businesses -- not exactly the kind of people that are going to run out and register their name at Godaddy so they can save what amounts to less than 8 cents a day..
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This is just another one of their lame excuses to further profits... I'd really love to see domainers search enough names through proxies to make this unprofitable for them... I wonder how long they'd run "this service which is in the best interest of their customers" if it was unprofitable

We are probably dealing with unintended consequences here, but nice sentiment. Remember every time a name is searched, that name is then reserved for netsol only, giving netsol a competitive advantage... if only for four days at a time. The way to break this is for ALL registrars to follow this silly practice and give netsol a dose of their own medicine. I probably search through 10-100 times as many domains in a typical day at Fabulous and Dynadot than your typical netsol customer does in a month. Now if Fab and Dynadot start snapping up ALL searches through their interface - then THAT would make an impact on netsol, and like I said earlier, would drain the "quality" part of the total namespace out of the system.

In fact, I think I will write Mike Fabulous and suggest that they start doing this to make an even playing field for Fabulous customers...

Marc

gazzip · 01-09-2008, 10:26 AM

Hmmm, I guess the NetSol REP did'nt hang around long enough to answer a few basic questions eh

Originally Posted by shashib

We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party.

So letting all these search results get indexed by Google is secure eh ?, once again - I think not !
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There is also a BIG list already been posted which shows all your "customers" names that they have searched - Secure ? - I think not !

OK, Own up - who reg'd this one cos it was'nt me ?

www.My-ass-hurts-because-of-nsi.com

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WM · 01-09-2008, 10:34 AM

Network Solutions Responds to Front Running Accusations

http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/

If all registrars will start "reserve aka tasting" searched names. wtf?

Acroplex · 01-09-2008, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by npcomplete

We are probably dealing with unintended consequences here, but nice sentiment. Remember every time a name is searched, that name is then reserved for netsol only, giving netsol a competitive advantage... if only for four days at a time. The way to break this is for ALL registrars to follow this silly practice and give netsol a dose of their own medicine. I probably search through 10-100 times as many domains in a typical day at Fabulous and Dynadot than your typical netsol customer does in a month. Now if Fab and Dynadot start snapping up ALL searches through their interface - then THAT would make an impact on netsol, and like I said earlier, would drain the "quality" part of the total namespace out of the system.

In fact, I think I will write Mike Fabulous and suggest that they start doing this to make an even playing field for Fabulous customers...

Marc

This is not the way to go. It's like arms race, instead of disarming one loads up on nuclear weapons.
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The one and only solution is for lazy-ass ICANN to step in and patch the loophole of domain tasting once and for all!

npcomplete · 01-09-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

This is not the way to go. It's like arms race, instead of disarming one loads up on nuclear weapons.

The one and only solution is for lazy-ass ICANN to step in and patch the loophole of domain tasting once and for all!

I agree completely. I was just pointing out that the logical consequences of NSI bad behavior is to encourage all registrars to engage in bad behavior. It doesn't take a lot of thought for this little "thought experiment" to see the natural consequences of following the netsol model.

Put another way, there is another very old saying that applies here: "do unto others as you would have others do unto you". A simple lesson that netsol should follow before netsol's competitors, the other registrars, take similar action as self protection. I hope you don't think that I think this is a good situation. I am just saying that the natural consequences of this action would lock up the namespace for good. Put another way, "locking up the namespace is a bad thing".
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Marc

Drewid · 01-09-2008, 10:57 AM

Maybe its because i came from wild east, but there are just two options -
money or ethic

bricio · 01-09-2008, 11:23 AM

this is unbelievable
all this thing must be known as much as possible, including what they are telling to be very clear that what they are doing is totally unethical

from people until companies must do that

BTW, the other registrars didint do such thing before because they knew all the possible side effects, as these that are happening now

their rep wont come here again to justify what isnt

P.S.: hey LLLL.com people, lets go there to the LLLLL.com and LLLLLL.com

Mobi Cheap · 01-09-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Drewid

Maybe its because i came from wild east, but there are just two options -
money or ethic

That's not true, but it's not totally surprising that such perceptions still exist - which makes it even more important to take a stand in the rare cases when things are as clearly black-and-white as they appear to be in this case.

Yofie · 01-09-2008, 12:25 PM

I have the list of domains...... It's approx 24 hours old, so all the "new" ones that most of you created (approx 21,438)

.... I should have tomorrow.

I will tell you this... There are some nice domains in the list, which I could register them all if I wanted to or wait until netsol redrops them as well, which would be a heck of a lot cheaper

.... Your not considered a taster, unless you drop them... I would just keep them (the generics)

Ronald Regging · 01-09-2008, 01:04 PM

I think Netsol just gave us our new "Hot for 2008" domain venture... It's LLLLL.coms... Go register as many decent ones as you can for as cheap as you can. Then just search at Netsol for the rest of them every 4 days, indefinitely tying them up and forcing a market price of at least $35, since thats the minimum price to get them out of lockup. I'll sell mine for $34.98 and I bet people would be more than happy to save a penny and NOT have to have a domain from Netsol

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 01:29 PM

I'm telling you Herb... That's a great idea! (and one I'm already working on)

NetSol became the proud owner of ~ 1000 LLLLL.coms courtesy of me yesterday. I think I'll give them 2000 more today

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Originally Posted by Ronald Regging

I think Netsol just gave us our new "Hot for 2008" domain venture... It's LLLLL.coms... Go register as many decent ones as you can for as cheap as you can. Then just search at Netsol for the rest of them every 4 days, indefinitely tying them up and forcing a market price of at least $35, since thats the minimum price to get them out of lockup. I'll sell mine for $34.98 and I bet people would be more than happy to save a penny and NOT have to have a domain from Netsol

Steve · 01-09-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

I'm telling you Herb... That's a great idea! (and one I'm already working on)

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NetSol became the proud owner of ~ 1000 LLLLL.coms courtesy of me yesterday. I think I'll give them 2000 more today

Hey, wait till I'm done actually taking the good ones!

goodkarmaco · 01-09-2008, 01:42 PM

Lets say all these names you guys are typing in have good traffic after being tested and they keep them. Why throw pearls before swine?.

You are giving them some good type in names by making these lists. Those names will not be availble to domainers who try to register them.

That is not helping domainers is it?

DomainPawnshop · 01-09-2008, 01:45 PM