Network solutions

**Dave Zan** · 01-08-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by npcomplete

Seems to me that all registrars should have this capability if netsol does.

They do, actually. I won't be surprised if some of them thought, "now why did
we not think of this before?"

Whether this is illegal or not depends on whose laws we're talking here. AFAIK,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/415767-network-solutions-unethical-go-hand-hand.html
what they're doing isn't illegal.

Interesting and understandable why. Of course, no one's required to agree.

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 08:34 PM

Whois Record

Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US

Domain Name: HERE-IS-THE-PROOF-WE-COULD-OFFER-EVERYBODY-FREE-DOMAIN-TASTING.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 22:19:40 EST.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Domain servers in listed order:

ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55
ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55

Steve · 01-08-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Zan

They do, actually. I won't be surprised if some of them thought, "now why did
we not think of this before?"

Whether this is illegal or not depends on whose laws we're talking here. AFAIK,
what they're doing isn't illegal.

Interesting and understandable why. Of course, no one's required to agree.

Legality aside, this ethical mess is going to hurt their PR terribly. This story has already made the front page of Reddit.

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Etab

Legality aside, this ethical mess is going to hurt their PR terribly. This story has already made the front page of Reddit.

Totally agree.

It's astounding they can't see it yet (and I'm not easily astounded).

My bet is it will be over soon.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Perhaps we should take snapshots of these beautiful ad filled pages before they disappear tomorrow :-)

Seabass · 01-08-2008, 08:51 PM

I can't wait to read this thread tomorrow !

This story may unfold three times bigger than today.

goodkarmaco · 01-08-2008, 08:55 PM

Tying up names like this makes me wonder how they handle credit card info etc. It would scare the hell out of me if I had any account info with these types of shysters.

texmexi · 01-08-2008, 09:04 PM

I sent an email to a couple of NYtimes reporters hoping they will cover it and bring bad publicity to Netsol. I encourage others to do the same to ensure they cover this unethical business practice.

Opportunity has arisen to make a difference in this industry and make an example out of a power house for unethical behavior that has gone on too long among many businesses in this industry. It may never come again on a silver platter like this. Collectively, If we do not seize this opportunity to unite and lash out, other registrars will follow rapidly. Then once again, we will have ourselves to blame and the complaining will continue. It’s time to Step up to the plate, send an email to several NYtimes and Major Newspaper reporters.

Will you be part of the solution or the problem?

Related:

I wrote this earlier on Conceptualist on this topic.

I posted earlier about monopolys forming on this blog when oversee acquired moniker. (No response was given) This is just more proof how those with major power in this industry can affect everyone. Monopolys will continue to form because there are simply too many individuals in this industry (With the stature to empower change)that look out for number 1 and not the industry as a whole. Additionally, there are no unbiased organizations formed to enforce standards. Standards not enforced are new standards set. (At the mercy of the Consumer) Icann, is not the answer.

It will only get worse due to the value of domain names rising. I find it very unethical to place names on auction that have expired thru a registrar. It is extortion, 100%, it is not allowed in any respectable industry.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

However, everyone has accepted it and have empowered/encouraged registrars to continue practicing these unethical behaviors by continuing to partake and support these extortion auctions.

We have brought these new standards upon ourselves and have the nerve to complain about the monopolys pushing the envelope. The finger continues to be pointed at domainers, not registrars.

Anology:

A drug dealer is only as powerful as the amount of drug users willing to pay. Non paying drug users equals no power to the drug dealer.

The bottom line is there are no unbiased organizations established in this industry to prevent monopolys and unethical business behaviors from occuring. Until these organizations are formed, things will only get worse. A united front needs to be established/supported to make a difference. It is not about individualism in this industry. Wait till yearly registrations reach extortion levels. It is around the corner. The writing is on the wall, unless we support an unbiased organization collectively.

Thank you for your time.

munkybrain · 01-08-2008, 09:09 PM

gave them these to choke on ...

networksolutionsisdomaintasting.com
networksolutionsisfrontrunning.com

wonder if they will let these 'go' after 4 days, lol.

the splash pages are classic.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by texmexi

Related:

I wrote this earlier on Conceptualist on this topic.

I posted earlier about monopolys forming on this blog when oversee acquired moniker. (No response was given) This is just more proof how those with major power in this industry can affect everyone. Monopolys will continue to form because there are simply too many individuals in this industry (With the stature to empower change)that look out for number 1 and not the industry as a whole. Additionally, there are no unbiased organizations formed to enforce standards. Standards not enforced are new standards set. (At the mercy of the Consumer) Icann, is not the answer.

It will only get worse due to the value of domain names rising. I find it very unethical to place names on auction that have expired thru a registrar. It is extortion, 100%, it is not allowed in any respectable industry.

However, everyone has accepted it and have empowered/encouraged registrars to continue practicing these unethical behaviors by continuing to partake and support these extortion auctions.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

We have brought these new standards upon ourselves and have the nerve to complain about the monopolys pushing the envelope. The finger continues to be pointed at domainers, not registrars.

Anology:

A drug dealer is only as powerful as the amount of drug users willing to pay. Non paying drug users equals no power to the drug dealer.

The bottom line is there are no unbiased organizations established in this industry to prevent monopolys and unethical business behaviors from occuring. Until these organizations are formed, things will only get worse. A united front needs to be established/supported to make a difference. It is not about individualism in this industry. Wait till yearly registrations reach extortion levels. It is around the corner. The writing is on the wall, unless we support an unbiased organization collectively.

Thank you for your time.

I am going to have to disagree with you here. If I decide not to pay for another year lease of a domain name, then that domain, after a certain amount of time, is made available to the registry, the registrar, and the general public.

I do not see a problem with this scenario.

texmexi · 01-08-2008, 09:29 PM

Devil Dog,

I am not talking about renewals or completely stopping your business to prove a point. Continue to run your business.

I am talking about partaking in the unethical auctions held daily of expired domains from registrars. We have empowered them to keep it going. The damage is done and nothing can really be done at this time.

I can not believe you do not see a problem with a registrar hording an expired domain and placing it on auction. Why even offer the name for registration in the first? It is a consumer business, not a loan shark business. We never had these problems in the past. It was made available to the public after expiration, and should continue to be that way. They simply have the upper hand by deciding what they want with the domain you no longer want to renew, making it unethical to the consumer.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Will we allow it to happen with this new unethical technique with Network Solutions? Other registrars will follow if we do.

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 09:33 PM

Reasonable people can disagree strongly about the ethics of expired domain auctions in their various forms.

With this thing that NetSol are doing (and amazingly defending in the name of the customer), it seems we are in a totally different ethics universe.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by texmexi

Devil Dog,

I am not talking about renewals or completely stopping your business to prove a point. Continue to run your business.

I am talking about partaking in the unethical auctions held daily of expired domains from registrars. We have empowered them to keep it going. The damage is done and nothing can really be done at this time.

I can not believe you do not see a problem with a registrar hording an expired domain and placing it on auction. Why even offer the name for registration in the first? It is a consumer business, not a loan shark business. We never had these problems in the past. It was made available to the public after expiration, and should continue to be that way. They simply have the upper hand by deciding what they want with the domain you no longer want to renew, making it unethical to the consumer.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Will we allow it to happen with this new unethical technique with Network Solutions? Other registrars will follow if we do.

We have empowered them to keep it going becuase joe schmoe, for whatever reason, decided he would not, or could not pay for that valuable piece of real estate that many others want.

It's all about supply and demand and I think this topic of discussion is better left to another thread.
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http://blog.domaintools.com/2008/01/...rmed/#comments

Another tidbit, domaintools.com has finally made a blog post in regards to netsol's actions, with words like "appalled" and "deplorable" and "fodder" etc.

I find it ironic for an individual to say this when he is selling our domain registration info for a profit, but hey, that should be left for another thread also.

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 10:17 PM

Keep looking up and "reserving" names like the following:

http://www.microsoft-----vista.com/
http://www.microsoft---office.com/
http://microsoft----windows.com/
http://dell-ebay-microsoft.com/

All these will trigger flags with Markmonitor.

***SpareDomains*** · 01-08-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Devil_Dog

I find it ironic for an individual to say this when he is selling our domain registration info for a profit,

agree and they are also selling a list of the domains involved in this for a profit

-REECE- · 01-08-2008, 10:40 PM

So tempting to get NetSol to reserve all 5L.coms... Surely that'll increase the value of my LLLL.com holdings

I always buy whatever I want immediately... Learned my lesson a couple years back.

Steve · 01-08-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

So tempting to get NetSol to reserve all 5L.coms... Surely that'll increase the value of my LLLL.com holdings

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

I always buy whatever I want immediately... Learned my lesson a couple years back.

I think the social networking sites are already on it!

phlights.com · 01-08-2008, 11:52 PM

Hi guys, just registering my utter disgust at what network solutions is doing. This is so unethical.

I suggest to keep your registrations with a reputable company, like godaddy.com.

This probably has already been posted, but just for those who don't know, ICANN has a 5 day grace period that registrars can register domains for free. If they don't want them, they can get a refund free of charge. Network solutions is taking advantage of this to scam people who search for their domains using the network solutions WHOIS search. As soon as you make a search, network solutions will automatically register your domain!

This is how network solutions is getting away with this SCAM.

This is a prime example of a company taking people's ideas and reselling them for an inflated profit.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

God bless godaddy, that's all i can say.

Cheers,

Chris

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 12:38 AM

I've been having some fun with this a bit...

Anyway, it seems like there's a limit to how many names NetSol will reg that you searched. I guess they're looking for "legitimate searches" and didn't think too kindly of me making them the largest 5L.com holder

Jeffrey · 01-09-2008, 02:05 AM

I registered/searched the domains below in all extensions:
ebaymybaby1
ebaymybaby2
ebaymybaby3
ebaymybaby4
ebaymybaby5

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 02:08 AM

Can someone search: WeLoveGodaddy.com for me please

I think I searched for too many... They won't reg anything I search for anymore

steveteva · 01-09-2008, 02:21 AM

NetworkSolutions denies 'front-running' Net registration, read:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-984...l?tag=nefd.top

Alex · 01-09-2008, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Reece

Can someone search: WeLoveGodaddy.com for me please

I think I searched for too many... They won't reg anything I search for anymore

As per request, WELoveGodaddy.com is regged by Netsol.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

I also exceeded my quota, but I used a proxy that I found on proxy.org ... this way I can register new domains woohoo

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 02:26 AM

LOL

Thanks Alex

Adding a rep because you just advanced my master plan

If anyone wants a 5L.com or 6L.com brandable, I suggest you get it now. I have this feeling NetSol is going to own thousands of them shortly

Originally Posted by alexsimon

As per request, WELoveGodaddy.com is regged by Netsol.

I also exceeded my quota, but I used a proxy that I found on proxy.org ... this way I can register new domains woohoo

Alex · 01-09-2008, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Reece

LOL

Thanks Alex

Adding a rep because you just advanced my master plan

If anyone wants a 5L.com or 6L.com brandable, I suggest you get it now. I have this feeling NetSol is going to own thousands of them shortly

Unfortunately they will delete it in 4 days. And I wouldn't give them a tip, because there are some (rare) 5L.com's that actually receive traffic, still hanging unregistered.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

I wonder how long this will last.

-REECE- · 01-09-2008, 02:44 AM

4 days... That should be enough time to hold every remaining CVCVC/VCVCV permanently hostage

Originally Posted by alexsimon

Unfortunately they will delete it in 4 days. And I wouldn't give them a tip, because there are some (rare) 5L.com's that actually receive traffic, still hanging unregistered.

I wonder how long this will last.

01-08-2008, 08:34 PM	#102 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Whois Record Registrant: This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com 13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300 HERNDON, VA 20171 US Domain Name: HERE-IS-THE-PROOF-WE-COULD-OFFER-EVERYBODY-FREE-DOMAIN-TASTING.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Network Solutions, LLC 13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300 HERNDON, VA 20171 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620 Record expires on 08-Jan-2009. Record created on 08-Jan-2008. Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 22:19:40 EST. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 Domain servers in listed order: ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55 ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55 __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

01-08-2008, 08:55 PM	#106 (permalink)
goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,976	Tying up names like this makes me wonder how they handle credit card info etc. It would scare the hell out of me if I had any account info with these types of shysters. __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

01-08-2008, 09:04 PM	#107 (permalink)
texmexi NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Bragg, NC Posts: 41	I sent an email to a couple of NYtimes reporters hoping they will cover it and bring bad publicity to Netsol. I encourage others to do the same to ensure they cover this unethical business practice. Opportunity has arisen to make a difference in this industry and make an example out of a power house for unethical behavior that has gone on too long among many businesses in this industry. It may never come again on a silver platter like this. Collectively, If we do not seize this opportunity to unite and lash out, other registrars will follow rapidly. Then once again, we will have ourselves to blame and the complaining will continue. It’s time to Step up to the plate, send an email to several NYtimes and Major Newspaper reporters. Will you be part of the solution or the problem? Related: I wrote this earlier on Conceptualist on this topic. I posted earlier about monopolys forming on this blog when oversee acquired moniker. (No response was given) This is just more proof how those with major power in this industry can affect everyone. Monopolys will continue to form because there are simply too many individuals in this industry (With the stature to empower change)that look out for number 1 and not the industry as a whole. Additionally, there are no unbiased organizations formed to enforce standards. Standards not enforced are new standards set. (At the mercy of the Consumer) Icann, is not the answer. It will only get worse due to the value of domain names rising. I find it very unethical to place names on auction that have expired thru a registrar. It is extortion, 100%, it is not allowed in any respectable industry. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 However, everyone has accepted it and have empowered/encouraged registrars to continue practicing these unethical behaviors by continuing to partake and support these extortion auctions. We have brought these new standards upon ourselves and have the nerve to complain about the monopolys pushing the envelope. The finger continues to be pointed at domainers, not registrars. Anology: A drug dealer is only as powerful as the amount of drug users willing to pay. Non paying drug users equals no power to the drug dealer. The bottom line is there are no unbiased organizations established in this industry to prevent monopolys and unethical business behaviors from occuring. Until these organizations are formed, things will only get worse. A united front needs to be established/supported to make a difference. It is not about individualism in this industry. Wait till yearly registrations reach extortion levels. It is around the corner. The writing is on the wall, unless we support an unbiased organization collectively. Thank you for your time. __________________ Steve Morales www.SimplyGeo.com Learn More About GeoDomains at the GEO Forum www.SimplyGeo.net

01-08-2008, 09:29 PM	#110 (permalink)
texmexi NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Bragg, NC Posts: 41	Devil Dog, I am not talking about renewals or completely stopping your business to prove a point. Continue to run your business. I am talking about partaking in the unethical auctions held daily of expired domains from registrars. We have empowered them to keep it going. The damage is done and nothing can really be done at this time. I can not believe you do not see a problem with a registrar hording an expired domain and placing it on auction. Why even offer the name for registration in the first? It is a consumer business, not a loan shark business. We never had these problems in the past. It was made available to the public after expiration, and should continue to be that way. They simply have the upper hand by deciding what they want with the domain you no longer want to renew, making it unethical to the consumer. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 Will we allow it to happen with this new unethical technique with Network Solutions? Other registrars will follow if we do. __________________ Steve Morales www.SimplyGeo.com Learn More About GeoDomains at the GEO Forum www.SimplyGeo.net Last edited by texmexi; 01-08-2008 at 09:35 PM.

01-08-2008, 09:33 PM	#111 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Reasonable people can disagree strongly about the ethics of expired domain auctions in their various forms. With this thing that NetSol are doing (and amazingly defending in the name of the customer), it seems we are in a totally different ethics universe. __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

01-08-2008, 08:51 PM	#105 (permalink)
Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259	I can't wait to read this thread tomorrow ! This story may unfold three times bigger than today.

01-08-2008, 09:09 PM	#108 (permalink)
munkybrain NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 246	gave them these to choke on ... networksolutionsisdomaintasting.com networksolutionsisfrontrunning.com wonder if they will let these 'go' after 4 days, lol. the splash pages are classic.

01-08-2008, 10:17 PM	#113 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	Keep looking up and "reserving" names like the following: http://www.microsoft-----vista.com/ http://www.microsoft---office.com/ http://microsoft----windows.com/ http://dell-ebay-microsoft.com/ All these will trigger flags with Markmonitor. __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

01-08-2008, 10:40 PM	#115 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	So tempting to get NetSol to reserve all 5L.coms... Surely that'll increase the value of my LLLL.com holdings I always buy whatever I want immediately... Learned my lesson a couple years back.

01-08-2008, 11:52 PM	#117 (permalink)
phlights.com NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 27	Network solutions Hi guys, just registering my utter disgust at what network solutions is doing. This is so unethical. I suggest to keep your registrations with a reputable company, like godaddy.com. This probably has already been posted, but just for those who don't know, ICANN has a 5 day grace period that registrars can register domains for free. If they don't want them, they can get a refund free of charge. Network solutions is taking advantage of this to scam people who search for their domains using the network solutions WHOIS search. As soon as you make a search, network solutions will automatically register your domain! This is how network solutions is getting away with this SCAM. This is a prime example of a company taking people's ideas and reselling them for an inflated profit. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 God bless godaddy, that's all i can say. Cheers, Chris

01-09-2008, 12:38 AM	#118 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	I've been having some fun with this a bit... Anyway, it seems like there's a limit to how many names NetSol will reg that you searched. I guess they're looking for "legitimate searches" and didn't think too kindly of me making them the largest 5L.com holder

01-09-2008, 02:05 AM	#119 (permalink)
Jeffrey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cebu Posts: 1,430	I registered/searched the domains below in all extensions: ebaymybaby1 ebaymybaby2 ebaymybaby3 ebaymybaby4 ebaymybaby5 __________________ Professionally Designed VECTOR ICONS! \|Search 1 gigabyte mails here! \| Personal Blog \| Soccer Blog \| Manila Blog \| Blog Directory \| JQR.org - taking offers \| Free Cebu City Photos

01-09-2008, 02:08 AM	#120 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	Can someone search: WeLoveGodaddy.com for me please I think I searched for too many... They won't reg anything I search for anymore

01-09-2008, 02:21 AM	#121 (permalink)
steveteva TelShowcase.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: hawaii Posts: 1,320	NetworkSolutions denies 'front-running' Net registration, read: http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-984...l?tag=nefd.top

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