WoW ! I never thought of searching for my name !

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 05:01 PM

Whois Record

Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US

Domain Name: DONT-WANT-TO-PAY-OVER-34-DOLLARS-PER-DOMAIN-OOOOOPS-THINK-AGAIN.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/415767-network-solutions-unethical-go-hand-hand.html

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 19:00:37 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55
ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55

shashib · 01-08-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Here, taste some of your own 4 day medicine:

Domain Name: SHASHIBELLAMKONDA.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 08-jan-2008
Creation Date: 08-jan-2008
Expiration Date: 08-jan-2009

Thanks for searching my name

Frikkle · 01-08-2008, 05:17 PM

Perhaps the guise of doing it for the customer's benefit is true, but I am doubtful.

There needs to be some way for the customer to release the domain so they will be free to register it at another registrar. Otherwise it's a monopoly, and that is never good for the consumer ...

-Frikkle

creature · 01-08-2008, 05:18 PM

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 05:20 PM

No domainer registers domains at NetSol.

This is clearly aimed at Joe Bloke who wants to register a domain for their business. Expect NetSol to increase their ad campaign soon, trying to reach the general public. Once the market is saturated with NetSol ads, Joe Bloke will try to look up a domain at NetSol, thus locking it down.

This is clearly an unjust use of the loophole that allows domain tasting. ICANN are a bunch of useless morons.

npcomplete · 01-08-2008, 05:31 PM

Seems to me that all registrars should have this capability if netsol does. Now think about this. All domainers (for the most part) use registrars other than netsol, and check domains at a rate that more than makes up for most single domain owners at netsol (just a guess). I check all major variations of things I track, and I track a *lot* of categories. I am sure every other domainer here does this too. So on an even playing field, the non-netsol registrars could lock up the entire *quality* parts of the domain space in record time, using other registrars if this goes universal.

Just a thought,
Marc

gazzip · 01-08-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by shashib

Hi my name is Shashi Bellamkonda and I work for Network Solutions. Wanted to give you our side of this subject. This measure is geared for our customers. It gives them a chance to look for domains consider if it’s what they want and then have an opportunity to register it.

Network Solutions is not front running. “ Front Runners” are people who register domain names known to have been searched, for the purpose of monetizing them and then selling them at inflated prices either directly to the customer who searched for the domain or through aftermarket channels.
We have started protecting all domain name searches at Network Solutions by holding the searched domains for our customers for a short period of time before releasing them. This gives our customers the opportunity to register names later without fear that the name will be registered by a “Front Runner.”
We are not monetizing these domains, nor do we intend to keep them after the holding period.

We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party. I know that Network Solutions has no intention of keeping any searched domain or monetizing it.

Our response on Circelid is here :

http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/

Thanks for listening,

Shashi

Hi Shashi, I could "maybe" understand that if the domains were put on hold for a couple of days and only held as available to the person that did the initial search - but even then, is it right to block them for going elsewhere to register it if they choose to - I think not.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Is it right to stick up a page and PROMOTE that the name is available For Anyone to buy - Most definetly not, how is that doing anything positive for your customers ? < please answer this

Maybe its not "Front running" or "Domain Kiting" or any other trendy new term - maybe it's just plain STUPID !

How could you not think that most people would be Pissed ?

I would also like to ask you - once you have dropped, deleted or whatever else you want to call it, do you then make the name available to other tasters or do you intend to send them all to auction at NameJet ?

.... this is sooo strange and borders on the bizarre

PS - The new NetSol parking pages look very nice IMO

.

Mark · 01-08-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by shashib

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party. I know that Network Solutions has no intention of keeping any searched domain or monetizing it.

The data isn't very secure - Now is it ?

Fix the problem - Do not add to it.

Yofie · 01-08-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by gazzip

Hi Shashi, I could "maybe" understand that if the domains were put on hold for a couple of days and only held as available to the person that did the initial search - but even then, is it right to block them for going elsewhere to register it if they choose to - I think not.

Is it right to stick up a page and PROMOTE that the name is available For Anyone to buy - Most definetly not, how is that doing anything positive for your customers ? < please answer this

Maybe its not "Front running" or "Domain Kiting" or any other trendy new term - maybe it's just plain STUPID !

How could you not think that most people would be Pissed ?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

I would also like to ask you - once you have dropped, deleted or whatever else you want to call it, do you then make the name available to other tasters or do you intend to send them all to auction at NameJet ?

.... this is sooo strange and borders on the bizarre

PS - The new NetSol parking pages look very nice IMO

.

All very good points Gazzip!

I always thought the "tasting" process was in place if a Customer registered a domain name and there was a Typo? I better go transfer out my domains quick before some registerfly crap starts going on.....

Steve · 01-08-2008, 06:09 PM

I don't buy that for a second. I don't see a flashy button on the registration page that tells me NetSol is holding on to my domain when I decide I'll come back later or try a different registrar.

And, why, oh why, would the page say "Get it Now!" while visiting it after it's been searched for? That's stating that the domain is available to anyone -- most definitely not doing a service to your customers.

PeterBrown · 01-08-2008, 06:14 PM

Could anyone not just search to see what domains are registered on the nameservers to see what domains people have searched via Netsol to register at an alternative registrar 4 days later?

**mis_chiff** · 01-08-2008, 06:23 PM

Umm, did anyone notice this?
Based on the domain from above post
DONT-WANT-TO-PAY-OVER-34-DOLLARS-PER-DOMAIN-OOOOOPS-THINK-AGAIN.COM

Godaddy says the .com is registered - but everything else is available....

and networksolutions is showing
dont-want-to-pay-over-34-dollars-per-domain-ooooops-think-again
.com
.net
.mobi
.org
.us
.us.com
.info
.co.uk

With the bolded ones already registered????
I was surprised to see the others registered ...
Is that to make it more appealing?

DnPresident · 01-08-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by npcomplete

Perhaps we should do an exhaustive search of all 63 character .com's.

Marc

Do all LLLLL.COM AND LLLLLL.COM so the LLLL.com will skyrocket

kriss05 · 01-08-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

1. Lookup hundreds of names that contain the words DELL, EBAY and other famous trademarks.

2. Email these "reserved" domains to Dell, eBay etc.

3. Sit back while NetSol receives C&D's in the mail.

4. Repeat every 4 days.

couldn't resist...now netsol owns plenty of beautiful names containing "ebay", "microsoft", and "olympicgames2008"

npcomplete · 01-08-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by kriss05

couldn't resist...now netsol owns plenty of beautiful names containing "ebay", "microsoft", and "olympicgames2008"

This actually qualifies as a "good deed". You just helped all the noobs save some money!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Marc

Yofie · 01-08-2008, 07:17 PM

When the rep from NetSol decides to post again.... Is there a way to accept a transfer-out with-in your account at netsol to speed up the process? I know you can do this via Godaddy, were I transfered the domains that "were" at netsol! I called but the rep stated this is a registry thing? Interesting Godaddy let's you do it?

Seabass · 01-08-2008, 07:20 PM

I've watched Network Solutions operate with virtual impunity since the beginning. They have historically have been shielded from conflict by being appointed by the U.S. gov't to run all the extensions, until the breakup. Things have changed. This is not 1997 anymore, but they are still acting like it. They still think they can get away with anything, and so far the last few years this mindset has not worked for them. I predict this won't either.

Being handed 100% market share of the domain market from the beginning, this company learned early on that being a government sanctioned entity is very financially rewarding. The ONLY thing they have every listed to was court orders, whether it was the judge that ruled the $30 domain surcharge was illegal in 96' , to the Sex.com case where they argured a domain is not property and instead is a lease (they lost), to the SiteFinder "service" (was that the name?) which hijacked every mistype of a domain, but was taken down after the public firestorm that ensued.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

I predict : Here comes the new era of Gov't legislation because of this crap at every level (Domain Registrars, ISP's, Browsers Manufacturers (such as MS' IE), and for domainers too. They might even try to make mistypes of domains illegal. This is going to come to a head. It's just getting too silly and we will get swept into it too, don't you just know.

Network Solutions are dirty, dirty dogs IMO.

seanboy · 01-08-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by DnPresident

Do all LLLLL.COM AND LLLLLL.COM so the LLLL.com will skyrocket

LOL!

Rebies · 01-08-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by PeterBrown

Could anyone not just search to see what domains are registered on the nameservers to see what domains people have searched via Netsol to register at an alternative registrar 4 days later?

Yes, this is a good point and could likely be a big problem. This helps shady domainers find domains people are searching network solutions for. A big security problem. Network Solutions is now pioneering domain front running by giving shady people insight to what domains their customers are interested in.

Donny · 01-08-2008, 07:48 PM

But think of all of the great TM domains we can now taste for free. Or think of how many lawyers who we will keep busy.

This of how much much will be wasted by lawyers researching these domains.

sheraton-mastercard-americanexpress-fedex-timewarner.com
delllaptop-underarmour-wwe-yahoo-wyndham-sheraton.com
prada-clinque-tagheuer-gucci-ralphlauren-intuit.com
yahoo-xbox-luxorhotel-verizon-walmart-viagra-humana.com

Now if sheraton and mastercard go after NSI, who would get the domain?

Rebies · 01-08-2008, 07:50 PM

On another note…

It would be a completely different if you could log into your account and do a “secure domain check” which puts the domain into your account for 4 days. That way nobody can register the domain but you. In fact, this is actually a good idea / service to give customers! But “securing” the domain then making a for sale page to the world is a bit too much. Seriously, give users the option to “just check” or “check and register for 5 days”.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

And in all honesty – Network Solutions is probably paying for the domain registration temporarily – no? So if its “secured” by their money for that specific customer – they should be able to go ahead and put ads on the domain for the time being until the customer actually pays them for the domain. That would be a way to spin this into a truly win/win situation – and something to help domain front running, not contribute to it. (and bring in more revenue for them)

Ross · 01-08-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rebies

On another note…

It would be a completely different if you could log into your account and do a “secure domain check” which puts the domain into your account for 4 days. That way nobody can register the domain but you. In fact, this is actually a good idea / service to give customers! But “securing” the domain then making a for sale page to the world is a bit too much. Seriously, give users the option to “just check” or “check and register for 5 days”.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

And in all honesty – Network Solutions is probably paying for the domain registration temporarily – no? So if its “secured” by their money for that specific customer – they should be able to go ahead and put ads on the domain for the time being until the customer actually pays them for the domain. That would be a way to spin this into a truly win/win situation – and something to help domain front running, not contribute to it. (and bring in more revenue for them)

This is the approach they should have taken to this "idea".

PeterBrown · 01-08-2008, 08:04 PM

Nice idea Rebies, I think that it should be the other way round. They should offer secure domain check as standard and then offer the 4 day hold for optional. People looking to newly register will have no idea why their domain has been put into held etc the way it currently is, there is no notice to state the domain will be held or that the searches are recorded.

***SpareDomains*** · 01-08-2008, 08:12 PM

I tried 2 and it appears true, if they wish to not sell their searches that is fine as it is their information, but to register them I consider that shady, if they don't sell the searches the domain would still be available when the original person comes back to buy it, by registering it it is trapping the original person to buy it from network solutions simply because they made the first query there, if tasting is getting so much bad press I would think this should as well whether or not the domains are being monetized as it is still putting thousands of domains into the system and then dropping them which should be considered a strain on the system.

http://whois.domaintools.com/thisisshadybusiness.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
http://whois.domaintools.com/network...ckscowdong.com

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by SpareDomains

I tried 2 and it appears true, if they wish to not sell their searches that is fine as it is their information, but to register them I consider that shady, if they don't sell the searches the domain would still be available when the original person comes back to buy it, by registering it it is trapping the original person to buy it from network solutions simply because they made the first query there, if tasting is getting so much bad press I would think this should as well whether or not the domains are being monetized as it is still putting thousands of domains into the system and then dropping them which should be considered a strain on the system.

http://whois.domaintools.com/thisisshadybusiness.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/network...ckscowdong.com

Agreed.

On top of that, they effectively advertise that this domain exists and is available to anyone (only via NetSol of course, but still anyone is more than welcome to purchase it - not just the person who came up with the idea).

They don't advertise this in the conventional sense of the word, but putting up a site within seconds - and the mere act of registering the domain - is likely to cause some people who search for related domains (say via domaintools.com) to notice the record and get interested - who wouldn't have thought of this particular domain in the first place.

Not to mention that tomorrow anyone could easily buy from domaintools.com a list of many domains that correspond to the email address used in the Administratve Contact field (yes, it seems to be the same for all domains, but Jay's system hasn't updated for the day yet - that's why the count is so low).

Even the mere possibility of one of those things occurring is likely to drive some people into parting with $34.99 that they didn't plan to part with when they were doing a mere check for availability.

01-08-2008, 05:01 PM	#76 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Whois Record Registrant: This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com 13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300 HERNDON, VA 20171 US Domain Name: DONT-WANT-TO-PAY-OVER-34-DOLLARS-PER-DOMAIN-OOOOOPS-THINK-AGAIN.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Network Solutions, LLC 13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300 HERNDON, VA 20171 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/415767-network-solutions-unethical-go-hand-hand.html Record expires on 08-Jan-2009. Record created on 08-Jan-2008. Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 19:00:37 EST. Domain servers in listed order: ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55 ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55 __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

01-08-2008, 05:17 PM	#78 (permalink)
Frikkle NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 754	Perhaps the guise of doing it for the customer's benefit is true, but I am doubtful. There needs to be some way for the customer to release the domain so they will be free to register it at another registrar. Otherwise it's a monopoly, and that is never good for the consumer ... -Frikkle __________________ It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. Upton Sinclair

01-08-2008, 05:18 PM	#79 (permalink)
creature NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 226	. Last edited by creature; 01-14-2008 at 07:39 AM.

01-08-2008, 05:20 PM	#80 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	No domainer registers domains at NetSol. This is clearly aimed at Joe Bloke who wants to register a domain for their business. Expect NetSol to increase their ad campaign soon, trying to reach the general public. Once the market is saturated with NetSol ads, Joe Bloke will try to look up a domain at NetSol, thus locking it down. This is clearly an unjust use of the loophole that allows domain tasting. ICANN are a bunch of useless morons. __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

01-08-2008, 05:31 PM	#81 (permalink)
npcomplete NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 976	Seems to me that all registrars should have this capability if netsol does. Now think about this. All domainers (for the most part) use registrars other than netsol, and check domains at a rate that more than makes up for most single domain owners at netsol (just a guess). I check all major variations of things I track, and I track a lot of categories. I am sure every other domainer here does this too. So on an even playing field, the non-netsol registrars could lock up the entire quality parts of the domain space in record time, using other registrars if this goes universal. Just a thought, Marc __________________ . (Just another mathematician obsessed with proving P != NP -- that is a math joke for job security) Smile! In a few short years you will realize that these are the good old days!

01-08-2008, 06:09 PM	#85 (permalink)
Steve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,204	I don't buy that for a second. I don't see a flashy button on the registration page that tells me NetSol is holding on to my domain when I decide I'll come back later or try a different registrar. And, why, oh why, would the page say "Get it Now!" while visiting it after it's been searched for? That's stating that the domain is available to anyone -- most definitely not doing a service to your customers. __________________ Steve NamePros Staff Emeritus

01-08-2008, 06:14 PM	#86 (permalink)
PeterBrown NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 525	Could anyone not just search to see what domains are registered on the nameservers to see what domains people have searched via Netsol to register at an alternative registrar 4 days later?

01-08-2008, 06:23 PM	#87 (permalink)
mis_chiff Membership Director Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,207 Follow @mis_chiff	Umm, did anyone notice this? Based on the domain from above post DONT-WANT-TO-PAY-OVER-34-DOLLARS-PER-DOMAIN-OOOOOPS-THINK-AGAIN.COM Godaddy says the .com is registered - but everything else is available.... and networksolutions is showing dont-want-to-pay-over-34-dollars-per-domain-ooooops-think-again .com .net .mobi .org .us .us.com .info .co.uk With the bolded ones already registered???? I was surprised to see the others registered ... Is that to make it more appealing?

01-08-2008, 07:17 PM	#91 (permalink)
Yofie Yofie.com Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: DotWeekly.com Posts: 2,935	When the rep from NetSol decides to post again.... Is there a way to accept a transfer-out with-in your account at netsol to speed up the process? I know you can do this via Godaddy, were I transfered the domains that "were" at netsol! I called but the rep stated this is a registry thing? Interesting Godaddy let's you do it? __________________ DotWeekly.com <--My Blog, Readers Welcome!

01-08-2008, 07:20 PM	#92 (permalink)
Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259	I've watched Network Solutions operate with virtual impunity since the beginning. They have historically have been shielded from conflict by being appointed by the U.S. gov't to run all the extensions, until the breakup. Things have changed. This is not 1997 anymore, but they are still acting like it. They still think they can get away with anything, and so far the last few years this mindset has not worked for them. I predict this won't either. Being handed 100% market share of the domain market from the beginning, this company learned early on that being a government sanctioned entity is very financially rewarding. The ONLY thing they have every listed to was court orders, whether it was the judge that ruled the $30 domain surcharge was illegal in 96' , to the Sex.com case where they argured a domain is not property and instead is a lease (they lost), to the SiteFinder "service" (was that the name?) which hijacked every mistype of a domain, but was taken down after the public firestorm that ensued. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 I predict : Here comes the new era of Gov't legislation because of this crap at every level (Domain Registrars, ISP's, Browsers Manufacturers (such as MS' IE), and for domainers too. They might even try to make mistypes of domains illegal. This is going to come to a head. It's just getting too silly and we will get swept into it too, don't you just know. Network Solutions are dirty, dirty dogs IMO.

01-08-2008, 07:48 PM	#95 (permalink)
Donny Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,233	But think of all of the great TM domains we can now taste for free. Or think of how many lawyers who we will keep busy. This of how much much will be wasted by lawyers researching these domains. sheraton-mastercard-americanexpress-fedex-timewarner.com delllaptop-underarmour-wwe-yahoo-wyndham-sheraton.com prada-clinque-tagheuer-gucci-ralphlauren-intuit.com yahoo-xbox-luxorhotel-verizon-walmart-viagra-humana.com Now if sheraton and mastercard go after NSI, who would get the domain? __________________ Voodoo.com

01-08-2008, 07:50 PM	#96 (permalink)
Rebies NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 41	On another note… It would be a completely different if you could log into your account and do a “secure domain check” which puts the domain into your account for 4 days. That way nobody can register the domain but you. In fact, this is actually a good idea / service to give customers! But “securing” the domain then making a for sale page to the world is a bit too much. Seriously, give users the option to “just check” or “check and register for 5 days”. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 And in all honesty – Network Solutions is probably paying for the domain registration temporarily – no? So if its “secured” by their money for that specific customer – they should be able to go ahead and put ads on the domain for the time being until the customer actually pays them for the domain. That would be a way to spin this into a truly win/win situation – and something to help domain front running, not contribute to it. (and bring in more revenue for them)

01-08-2008, 08:04 PM	#98 (permalink)
PeterBrown NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 525	Nice idea Rebies, I think that it should be the other way round. They should offer secure domain check as standard and then offer the 4 day hold for optional. People looking to newly register will have no idea why their domain has been put into held etc the way it currently is, there is no notice to state the domain will be held or that the searches are recorded.

01-08-2008, 08:12 PM	#99 (permalink)
*SpareDomains* Business Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,450	I tried 2 and it appears true, if they wish to not sell their searches that is fine as it is their information, but to register them I consider that shady, if they don't sell the searches the domain would still be available when the original person comes back to buy it, by registering it it is trapping the original person to buy it from network solutions simply because they made the first query there, if tasting is getting so much bad press I would think this should as well whether or not the domains are being monetized as it is still putting thousands of domains into the system and then dropping them which should be considered a strain on the system. http://whois.domaintools.com/thisisshadybusiness.com ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 http://whois.domaintools.com/network...ckscowdong.com Last edited by SpareDomains; 01-08-2008 at 08:18 PM.

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