Clarification from Network Solutions

cybermonkey · 01-08-2008, 02:44 PM

NetSol scammed me many times before when I was a rookie web designer, but I didn't know that they would go that low. And all that "customer protection" talk is all excuses to get more money out of people. NetSol is legal "Cybersquatter'' themselves. Shame on you!

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

...
Now playing the devil's advocate: could it be that their scripts just secure your desired name to avoid being beat to someone else by a few seconds... (preemptive registration).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/415767-network-solutions-unethical-go-hand-hand.html
If you go to network-solutions-really-really-sucks.com
you CAN take it...

Sadly no, this fine domain is fully up and running.

Will have to keep an eye on it, do you think they'll drop it? Or perhaps register all possible possible alternatives thereof and actually keep them - just in case ...

Donny · 01-08-2008, 03:02 PM

I was talking to some friends and they "registered" about 50,000 domains today. And now the free registration seems to be turned off now.

I missed another opportunity to register some awesome domains.

Donny

Alex · 01-08-2008, 03:06 PM

Yes, I just checked my awesome safdafdhagfdygydifydfssdfs.com at Netsol, and it is still available.

You, domain hunters, better go grab it fast

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 03:06 PM

I tested it and indeed once it's added to the cart the domain is locked down and unavailable from other registrars:

lopo02393jdhjhsjjasjdhssu3h.com

Fun

http://NETSOLAREABUNCHOFSCAMMERS.COM

Don · 01-08-2008, 03:18 PM

Imagine if you could run a PPC advert for "Cars" - You send the visitor to your dealership, while at your dealership choosing the car they like - you force a lockdown on all other dealerships in the world for 4 days on every single car they've looked at, giving yourself a 4 day monopoly (the average buyer doesn't know this though, so they'll think you're their only option).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Improves the odds of a sale tremendously, until the gov't comes knocking.

ICANN needs to pull their head out of NetSols ass.

Other registrars need to speak out against this sort of practice!

I see this as nothing other than a monopoly of registrar services for the unfortunate few that don't know better - it needs to be stopped.

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 03:24 PM

This is truly evil. Netsol is tasting domains based on people's queries and samples the traffic for 4 days.

Mobi Cheap · 01-08-2008, 03:26 PM

Whois Record

Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US

Domain Name: OUR-CORPORATE-ETHICS-ARE-NOT-IN-NEED-OF-SERIOUS-EXAMINATION.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 08-Jan-2009.
Record created on 08-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 17:23:19 EST.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Domain servers in listed order:

ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55
ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55

thetruman · 01-08-2008, 03:31 PM

great

sdsinc · 01-08-2008, 03:41 PM

There is working group at icann which is investigating frontrunning
You can report at: SSAC-DNFR@icann.org

Document: http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac022.pdf

Mark · 01-08-2008, 03:56 PM

I see one of Netsol's reps watching this thread ATM .....

He'll post soon.

snowbird · 01-08-2008, 03:57 PM

I just found out aboutt his now and wow. I even tried it for myself. I couldnt believe my eyes. SDFGDSFHFSGHFGHGHF.com is taken at all registrars except for netsol. And that domain was available before i did a netsol search. This is terrible!

Ross · 01-08-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

There is working group at icann which is investigating frontrunning
You can report at: SSAC-DNFR@icann.org

Document: http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac022.pdf

This is a really touchy situation at this point and from what i have read NetSol might be getting in to a lot of trouble and may be shut down. No good for them!

creature · 01-08-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Seabass

I think we ought to call this method of domaining, "Second-Tier Domain Squatting", or maybe, "Pre-Searched Domain Acquisitions".

Or, 'Search Squatting'. Perhaps rename the company 'Search Squat'. Holding the name for 4 days only for the searcher would be ok. Holding the name for anybody at a premium is just a 'search squat' imo.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by creature

Or, 'Search Squatting'. Perhaps rename the company 'Search Squat'. Holding the name for 4 days only for the searcher would be ok. Holding the name for anybody at a premium is just a 'search squat' imo.

http://whois.domaintools.com/searchsquatting.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

ICANN Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Created: 2008-01-08
Expires: 2009-01-08
Registrar Status: ok
Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM (has 1,856 domains)
Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com

sold!

shashib · 01-08-2008, 04:26 PM

Hi my name is Shashi Bellamkonda and I work for Network Solutions. Wanted to give you our side of this subject. This measure is geared for our customers. It gives them a chance to look for domains consider if it’s what they want and then have an opportunity to register it.

Network Solutions is not front running. “ Front Runners” are people who register domain names known to have been searched, for the purpose of monetizing them and then selling them at inflated prices either directly to the customer who searched for the domain or through aftermarket channels.
We have started protecting all domain name searches at Network Solutions by holding the searched domains for our customers for a short period of time before releasing them. This gives our customers the opportunity to register names later without fear that the name will be registered by a “Front Runner.”
We are not monetizing these domains, nor do we intend to keep them after the holding period.

We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party. I know that Network Solutions has no intention of keeping any searched domain or monetizing it.

Our response on Circelid is here :

http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Thanks for listening,

Shashi

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 04:34 PM

Shame On You!

Mark · 01-08-2008, 04:37 PM

So if "John Q Public" performs a search for his Branded business name on Netsol, And then notices your prices are higher than those he's seen advertised on tv/online ... You feel you have the right to hold his "Branded Name" for 4 or 5 days ? And this is a Service for your customers ? Not allowing them to register the domain elsewhere ?

And also - Whats to stop his "branded name" from being grabbed up by a Taster afterwards ?

I feel this is yet another blemish on The entire industry .... Another reason for "Mom and Pop on Mainstreet" to think this industry is nothing but cybersquatters.

creature · 01-08-2008, 04:39 PM

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by shashib

Hi my name is Shashi Bellamkonda and I work for Network Solutions. Wanted to give you our side of this subject. This measure is geared for our customers. It gives them a chance to look for domains consider if it’s what they want and then have an opportunity to register it.

Network Solutions is not front running. “ Front Runners” are people who register domain names known to have been searched, for the purpose of monetizing them and then selling them at inflated prices either directly to the customer who searched for the domain or through aftermarket channels.
We have started protecting all domain name searches at Network Solutions by holding the searched domains for our customers for a short period of time before releasing them. This gives our customers the opportunity to register names later without fear that the name will be registered by a “Front Runner.”
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
We are not monetizing these domains, nor do we intend to keep them after the holding period.

We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party. I know that Network Solutions has no intention of keeping any searched domain or monetizing it.

Our response on Circelid is here :

http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/

Thanks for listening,

Shashi

By Inflated prices, you mean $34.99 inflated prices?

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 04:42 PM

Here, taste some of your own 4 day medicine:

Domain Name: SHASHIBELLAMKONDA.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 08-jan-2008
Creation Date: 08-jan-2008
Expiration Date: 08-jan-2009

Don · 01-08-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by shashib

Hi my name is Shashi Bellamkonda

Welcome to NP's.

Originally Posted by shashib

Network Solutions is not front running. “ Front Runners” are people who register domain names known to have been searched, for the purpose of monetizing them and then selling them at inflated prices either directly to the customer who searched for the domain or through aftermarket channels.

You describe almost exactly what you're doing. You're registering names known to have been searched, right then - for the purpose of monetizing by selling them at inflated prices - either directly to the poor SOB who did the scan... or "on the aftermarket" to someone that happens to come across your sales pitch page within the next few days.

Originally Posted by shashib

This gives our customers the opportunity to register names later without fear that the name will be registered by a “Front Runner.”

I might be inclined to believe this if you didn't advertise the name for sale to the entire world - 15 seconds after a search is done.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Shady, shady, shady.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Here, taste some of your own 4 day medicine:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767

Domain Name: SHASHIBELLAMKONDA.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 08-jan-2008
Creation Date: 08-jan-2008
Expiration Date: 08-jan-2009

Only from Acro. hahaha

Acroplex · 01-08-2008, 04:48 PM

1. Lookup hundreds of names that contain the words DELL, EBAY and other famous trademarks.

2. Email these "reserved" domains to Dell, eBay etc.

3. Sit back while NetSol receives C&D's in the mail.

4. Repeat every 4 days.

Ross · 01-08-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by shashib

Hi my name is Shashi Bellamkonda and I work for Network Solutions. Wanted to give you our side of this subject. This measure is geared for our customers. It gives them a chance to look for domains consider if it’s what they want and then have an opportunity to register it.

Network Solutions is not front running. “ Front Runners” are people who register domain names known to have been searched, for the purpose of monetizing them and then selling them at inflated prices either directly to the customer who searched for the domain or through aftermarket channels.
We have started protecting all domain name searches at Network Solutions by holding the searched domains for our customers for a short period of time before releasing them. This gives our customers the opportunity to register names later without fear that the name will be registered by a “Front Runner.”
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767
We are not monetizing these domains, nor do we intend to keep them after the holding period.

We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party. I know that Network Solutions has no intention of keeping any searched domain or monetizing it.

Our response on Circelid is here :

http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/

Thanks for listening,

Shashi

Wow you just caught yourself red handed. At the beginning of this thread i was all for the business and protecting the customer but the more i dig into it is actually illegal to do this kind of thing. Also i would never pay $34.99 to hand-reg a domain by the way.

01-08-2008, 03:02 PM	#53 (permalink)
Donny Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,233	I was talking to some friends and they "registered" about 50,000 domains today. And now the free registration seems to be turned off now. I missed another opportunity to register some awesome domains. Donny __________________ Voodoo.com

01-08-2008, 03:06 PM	#54 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,132	Yes, I just checked my awesome safdafdhagfdygydifydfssdfs.com at Netsol, and it is still available. You, domain hunters, better go grab it fast __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

01-08-2008, 03:06 PM	#55 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	I tested it and indeed once it's added to the cart the domain is locked down and unavailable from other registrars: lopo02393jdhjhsjjasjdhssu3h.com Fun http://NETSOLAREABUNCHOFSCAMMERS.COM __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

01-08-2008, 03:18 PM	#56 (permalink)
Don Live Chat Operator Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NY Posts: 932	Imagine if you could run a PPC advert for "Cars" - You send the visitor to your dealership, while at your dealership choosing the car they like - you force a lockdown on all other dealerships in the world for 4 days on every single car they've looked at, giving yourself a 4 day monopoly (the average buyer doesn't know this though, so they'll think you're their only option). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 Improves the odds of a sale tremendously, until the gov't comes knocking. ICANN needs to pull their head out of NetSols ass. Other registrars need to speak out against this sort of practice! I see this as nothing other than a monopoly of registrar services for the unfortunate few that don't know better - it needs to be stopped. __________________ ` ... .

01-08-2008, 03:24 PM	#57 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	This is truly evil. Netsol is tasting domains based on people's queries and samples the traffic for 4 days. __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

01-08-2008, 02:44 PM	#51 (permalink)
cybermonkey NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dania, FL Posts: 583	NetSol scammed me many times before when I was a rookie web designer, but I didn't know that they would go that low. And all that "customer protection" talk is all excuses to get more money out of people. NetSol is legal "Cybersquatter'' themselves. Shame on you!

01-08-2008, 03:26 PM	#58 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Whois Record Registrant: This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com 13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300 HERNDON, VA 20171 US Domain Name: OUR-CORPORATE-ETHICS-ARE-NOT-IN-NEED-OF-SERIOUS-EXAMINATION.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Network Solutions, LLC 13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300 HERNDON, VA 20171 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620 Record expires on 08-Jan-2009. Record created on 08-Jan-2008. Database last updated on 8-Jan-2008 17:23:19 EST. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 Domain servers in listed order: ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55 ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55 __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

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sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,556	There is working group at icann which is investigating frontrunning You can report at: SSAC-DNFR@icann.org Document: http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac022.pdf __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

01-08-2008, 03:56 PM	#61 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,567	I see one of Netsol's reps watching this thread ATM ..... He'll post soon. __________________ When the man at the door yelled "Alcohol , Tobacco , and Firearms" .... I just assumed it was a delivery !

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snowbird Emperor Penguin Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 727	I just found out aboutt his now and wow. I even tried it for myself. I couldnt believe my eyes. SDFGDSFHFSGHFGHGHF.com is taken at all registrars except for netsol. And that domain was available before i did a netsol search. This is terrible! __________________ Mike R. RegisterBird.com RegisterBird.com Star Program [Special Promotion on .IN, .COM, and .NET extensions!]

01-08-2008, 04:26 PM	#66 (permalink)
shashib New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2	Clarification from Network Solutions Hi my name is Shashi Bellamkonda and I work for Network Solutions. Wanted to give you our side of this subject. This measure is geared for our customers. It gives them a chance to look for domains consider if it’s what they want and then have an opportunity to register it. Network Solutions is not front running. “ Front Runners” are people who register domain names known to have been searched, for the purpose of monetizing them and then selling them at inflated prices either directly to the customer who searched for the domain or through aftermarket channels. We have started protecting all domain name searches at Network Solutions by holding the searched domains for our customers for a short period of time before releasing them. This gives our customers the opportunity to register names later without fear that the name will be registered by a “Front Runner.” We are not monetizing these domains, nor do we intend to keep them after the holding period. We did this because we heard customers complain that queried domain names are being snatched up by other people as soon as they searched. Network Solutions makes sure its search data is secure and we do not sell it any third party. I know that Network Solutions has no intention of keeping any searched domain or monetizing it. Our response on Circelid is here : http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/ ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=415767 Thanks for listening, Shashi

01-08-2008, 04:34 PM	#67 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	Shame On You! __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

01-08-2008, 04:37 PM	#68 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,567	So if "John Q Public" performs a search for his Branded business name on Netsol, And then notices your prices are higher than those he's seen advertised on tv/online ... You feel you have the right to hold his "Branded Name" for 4 or 5 days ? And this is a Service for your customers ? Not allowing them to register the domain elsewhere ? And also - Whats to stop his "branded name" from being grabbed up by a Taster afterwards ? I feel this is yet another blemish on The entire industry .... Another reason for "Mom and Pop on Mainstreet" to think this industry is nothing but cybersquatters. __________________ When the man at the door yelled "Alcohol , Tobacco , and Firearms" .... I just assumed it was a delivery !

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01-08-2008, 04:42 PM	#71 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	Here, taste some of your own 4 day medicine: Domain Name: SHASHIBELLAMKONDA.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 08-jan-2008 Creation Date: 08-jan-2008 Expiration Date: 08-jan-2009 __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

01-08-2008, 04:48 PM	#74 (permalink)
Acroplex Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,862	1. Lookup hundreds of names that contain the words DELL, EBAY and other famous trademarks. 2. Email these "reserved" domains to Dell, eBay etc. 3. Sit back while NetSol receives C&D's in the mail. 4. Repeat every 4 days. __________________ DomainGang.com - Digital Entertainment for Domainers Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog

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