8 magic words....(shocking) - Page 2

texasgamer · 12-29-2007, 10:26 AM

Not only disparaging, but an injustice as well. This is a black eye to Mtld and the man at the helm of Mtld, Trey Harvin.
I hope the courts will find the fair and right solution, because thats where this is all headed.

Rubber Duck · 12-29-2007, 10:35 AM

Like as not, there will be another fiasco with the re-auction.

You can almost anticipate it being stopped by a last minute injunction.

companyone · 12-29-2007, 11:44 AM

Hi,

What happen to:

http://www.8magicwords.com/

?

Dan

Rubber Duck · 12-29-2007, 11:48 AM

Probably fallen foul of some new legislation from Bush making it illegal to tell the truth about people online.

tophatter · 12-29-2007, 12:31 PM

Interesting, the site 8magicwords.com just says "thanks for visiting 8magicwords.com"

site closed ?? what happened

3l3ctr1c · 12-29-2007, 12:32 PM

It was fine for me, an hour ago. Seems like something is wrong now.

mkylut · 12-29-2007, 12:35 PM

bandwidth issue?

bucks · 12-29-2007, 12:43 PM

He just posted a comment on the "other" forum about this.

A very level headed comment considering the predicament he's in.

Hopefully Mtld will WAKE UP before it's to late.

RJ · 12-29-2007, 02:55 PM

Site now has somewhat of an explanation, but no indication of why the original site was removed.

www.8magicwords.com

Devil_Dog · 12-29-2007, 02:59 PM

From the way it looks now, looks like someone issued am ultimatum, legal style to C&D.

I mean, why else would yous pend so much time on a site, to just take it down within a matter of days?

mjnels · 12-29-2007, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Devil_Dog

From the way it looks now, looks like someone issued am ultimatum, legal style to C&D.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/411984-8-magic-words-shocking.html

I mean, why else would yous pend so much time on a site, to just take it down within a matter of days?

change of heart maybe.. as noted by somebody above he explains himself on another forum.

he says hes upset but now sees the need to move forward with other things rather than spend too much time on this situation...

and actually it was only up a matter of hours, not days.

duceman · 12-29-2007, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by pcaero

MTLD seems to think it can be Judge, Jury and Executioner

Theft

–noun
1.the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
2.an instance of this.
3.Archaic. something stolen.

Tequila I would advise you seek council, asap..
This is THEFT PERIOD.

I would have to say that you are correct.

It is the same thing as going to a new car dealership and buying a car and the next day the car manufacturer comes and steals the car from your locked garage.

hey.co.uk · 12-29-2007, 04:09 PM

Shocking and not good for .mobi

To be fair .mobi needs as much support as possible, from domainers to the registry to get support and use however stuff like this just shoots .mobi in the foot.

Even for poor extentions you have some confidence in the registry, but this takes the biscuit.

Quote:

Now, they've shown that they are even prepared to TRANSFER a domain to a buyer that has PAID for it - and, then - after it has been developed - literally STEAL it - without discussion, without permission, without an established legal process (if they wanted it back, they should negotiate with Tequila for it - or, get a court to prove they are entitled to it).

Entirely agree.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

Not a good day for mobi

coast · 12-29-2007, 05:47 PM

8magicwords was up for 13 hours and the owner of the site explained that he took it down in order to move forward. A group of the two sets of winners is working together as a roundtable to find a compromise solution. At the present time, I suspect mTLD/dotmobi's attorneys are on vacation and their hands are tied. The people who would want to talk have likely been advised not to.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

In Trey's open letter on the dotmobi blog, he said that they are frustrated and angry about the auction too. This is a rare admission from a CEO.

Please, everyone, keep a cool head about all of this and when the holiday break is over and the lawyers are back in their offices we may hear something else. I am holding out for a compromise resolution and believe it is still possible. Sit tight, the sky isn't falling and this may get worked out yet.

HeyNow · 12-29-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by coast

8magicwords was up for 13 hours and the owner of the site explained that he took it down in order to move forward. A group of the two sets of winners is working together as a roundtable to find a compromise solution. At the present time, I suspect mTLD/dotmobi's attorneys are on vacation and their hands are tied. The people who would want to talk have likely been advised not to.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

In Trey's open letter on the dotmobi blog, he said that they are frustrated and angry about the auction too. This is a rare admission from a CEO.

Please, everyone, keep a cool head about all of this and when the holiday break is over and the lawyers are back in their offices we may hear something else. I am holding out for a compromise resolution and believe it is still possible. Sit tight, the sky isn't falling and this may get worked out yet.

What you say is true, "... the sky isn't falling ...". However, early-on shenanigans by Afilias, including fraudulent .info sunrise registrations by domainers and Afilias Directors, instilled a large degree of mistrust in most domainers of the day. That may be one significant reason .info is such an anemic extention today. Registries weren't auctioning off domains back then (2001), so the shenanigans were of a different nature. But current shenanigans by mTLD registry might have the same effect. I certainly wouldn't bother now with mTLD auctions, knowing there's a chance mTLD might yank my newly-won domain if they think I didn't pay enough for it. You can't really blame Sedo too much, they are what they are, and buyer beware when you deal with Sedo in these auctions. They too now have a reputation of pulling the plug on a done deal if they don't think they've sucked enough money out of the "winner's" wallet.

DomainTalker · 12-29-2007, 08:42 PM

This whole thing has now gone mainstream....Someone has put 8magicwords on YouTube....The whole world will now see what dotmobi has done to Tequila.mobi....Only a matter of time before every blog, every media outlet, picks up this story, and the wider story about the auction battles.....The fires are now burning...

Sadly, this means the mTLD Registry reputation is now very seriously at risk, as a responsible Registry....Its out of control...Its unlikely (whatever the technicalities of the situation) that they can win the public opinion battle from here......And, that means these actions (unless they stop it NOW) will likely lead to a complete loss of confidence in the Registry, and its extension.

Many warned them - very early on - that this would happen, if they persisted with the course of action they have chosen.

But....All options for dotmobi (mTLD) remain open - even now....

(i) They can persist with the line they have taken up to now...(I'd suggest their line to date has not proved to be a terrific solution - either for dotmobi, themselves - Or, for the .mobi investors...and is getting worse by the day)...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

Or...

(ii) They can look at the overall commercial reality of where it all now is....Accept the lesser of the evils....and change course.

(When Einstein was once asked: 'What would you do if your Theory of Relativity turned out to be wrong?....He replied: 'I'd change my mind, of course...'). He was right, imo.

I respectfully suggest to dotmobi - that the decisions about this unhappy situation that they have taken up to this point, have proven to be....uh....not optimal, shall we say....

@ dotmobi (mTLD)....There is no obvious benefit to standing in your living room shouting: "But...I think I'm right....!!"...whilst your house burns down around you...

Like Einstein advised - perhaps NOW it is time to change their minds - stop the bleeding - genuinely work with us to find a solution that their own constituency (.mobi investors) can live with...

...A solution that IS optimal, for all concerned....And acceptable to all concerned.

(And, btw - dotmobi are fully aware (via premium@mtld.mobi) that there ARE alternative SPECIFIC options available to them.)

.

hey.co.uk · 12-30-2007, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by coast

In Trey's open letter on the dotmobi blog, he said that they are frustrated and angry about the auction too. This is a rare admission from a CEO.

Even odder that the CEO then uses the company again to re-re-run the auction...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

If people had not been shovelling cash into .mobi it would all be quite amusing

izo-pod · 12-30-2007, 03:56 AM

Do you plan on developing those other domains that you have in your signature? Just curious.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

MobiRocks.mobi...!! Camera.mobi - Investment.mobi - Beauty.mobi - Spa.mobi - Cairns.mobi - Snackbars.mobi - Gynaecology.mobi - Guidedog.mobi - Sportsbag.mobi - Gymbags.mobi - Waterviews.mobi - Overcoats.mobi - Brideswear.mobi - Childwear.mobi - AMStations.mobi - FMStations.mobi - AdClassifieds.mobi - SocialSites.mobi - WebChats.mobi - GlobalBanks.mobi

Originally Posted by DomainTalker

We launched a fully developed site (Scoring 5/5 on ready.mobi) and made public announcements about the site launch.

GijsZePa · 12-30-2007, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Devil_Dog

From the way it looks now, looks like someone issued am ultimatum, legal style to C&D.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

I mean, why else would yous pend so much time on a site, to just take it down within a matter of days?

I think you're right. Some threads or similar...
I can't believe that this terrific statement was removed by own choice...

Boooh !!!!

Martin

DomainTalker · 12-30-2007, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by izo-pod

Do you plan on developing those other domains that you have in your signature? Just curious.

Absolutely, yes....!!

The first 5 are actively in planning stages now...Others will follow that...

.

mulligan · 12-30-2007, 11:03 AM

What I find amazing is that people would even consider spending their money on this extension after what has happened. .. Sheesh .. why not just get their bank account numbers and empty your wallet / house / car and future into it?

Just be thankful it happened now rather than later ..when you've spent even more money on development

tophatter · 12-30-2007, 11:11 AM

Mulligan, I really don't think that after this fiasco that the Mobi ext is dead & buried, but just somewhat tarnished.I am still avidly buying mobis but much more selectively at this time,the selective part is not because of the auction fiasco.
I think mobi has a good chance of making it and that of course depends on the sites being developed & getting alot of promotional help.
Did you or do you own any mobis? If you did I don't think you'd be making the statements you just did,maybee this would be a good time for you to purchase some>>

Work In Progress · 12-30-2007, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by mulligan

What I find amazing is that people would even consider spending their money on this extension after what has happened. .. Sheesh .. why not just get their bank account numbers and empty your wallet / house / car and future into it?

Just be thankful it happened now rather than later ..when you've spent even more money on development

Well color me stupid, but I'm actively making money on several of my developed mobi's as we speak, with or without the SEDO fiasco. Am I buying more? Nope. I've got more than I can handle now. I'm busy developing. I'm also helping my wife start a business based off of a mobi in the works.

It's an extension. You can take a .cc or a .in or a .name and turn it into a mobile site just as well as a .mobi. You have to market any of them the same. The only real difference is, once the public is educated, they'll know the .mobi site will resolve well on their mobile. Will they know if a .com, .in, or a .anythingelse resolves to a mobile friendly site? If it's marketed as such, they might. But if not, it's a crap-shoot. Doesn't matter a hoot if you have a .net, .org, .info or .mobi. If it's not a dot com, it's probably gonna need marketing / development for mass visitors. The "this extension is worthless" and "you guys are fools" talk is really getting old. Would you rather have livecams.mobi (not my name) or mylivemobilecamsite.com (not mine either) to market as a mobile site? You either believe in the mobile web or you don't. I happen to believe that the mobile web will be huge. And I also believe my mobi domains will do just fine on the mobile web, thank yo very much...The biggest bonus mobi has brought me is the ability to hand reg a decent name or two for a reasonable price. The dot com equivalents of my names are all out of my price range.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

Although I'm not privy to mTLD or SEDO's legal departments, I'm guessing they've got reasons for doing what they're doing. We won't all agree with the outcome. Too many different cans of worms opened for that. I'm guessing we'll all hear from their side in the coming week or two.

tophatter · 12-30-2007, 04:34 PM

That's a real nice positive approach instead of the BS back and forth.Let's go foward in the New Year.Glad to hear your developing,I will be hopfully learning that process for some of my names or paying some one to dev for me.
Have a good one.

Regards

GijsZePa · 12-31-2007, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by mulligan

What I find amazing is that people would even consider spending their money on this extension after what has happened. .. Sheesh .. why not just get their bank account numbers and empty your wallet / house / car and future into it?

True...i think I'm gonna trade all my .mobi for .ws

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984

Martin

12-29-2007, 10:26 AM	#26 (permalink)
texasgamer Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 2,368	Not only disparaging, but an injustice as well. This is a black eye to Mtld and the man at the helm of Mtld, Trey Harvin. I hope the courts will find the fair and right solution, because thats where this is all headed. __________________ Sara Palin

12-29-2007, 02:55 PM	#34 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,930 Follow @DomainBuyer	Site now has somewhat of an explanation, but no indication of why the original site was removed. www.8magicwords.com __________________ @DomainBuyer facebook

12-29-2007, 02:59 PM	#35 (permalink)
Devil_Dog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: az Posts: 1,433	From the way it looks now, looks like someone issued am ultimatum, legal style to C&D. I mean, why else would yous pend so much time on a site, to just take it down within a matter of days? __________________ .::: e-nic.com :::.- semperfidelis.com - stow.org - shopbooks.com - and more....

12-29-2007, 05:47 PM	#39 (permalink)
coast NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Posts: 388	8magicwords was up for 13 hours and the owner of the site explained that he took it down in order to move forward. A group of the two sets of winners is working together as a roundtable to find a compromise solution. At the present time, I suspect mTLD/dotmobi's attorneys are on vacation and their hands are tied. The people who would want to talk have likely been advised not to. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984 In Trey's open letter on the dotmobi blog, he said that they are frustrated and angry about the auction too. This is a rare admission from a CEO. Please, everyone, keep a cool head about all of this and when the holiday break is over and the lawyers are back in their offices we may hear something else. I am holding out for a compromise resolution and believe it is still possible. Sit tight, the sky isn't falling and this may get worked out yet. __________________ dotTv Names for Sale ChicagoVacation and SanDiegoVacation

12-29-2007, 08:42 PM	THREAD STARTER #41 (permalink)
DomainTalker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: http://ISSUES.COM Posts: 1,126	This whole thing has now gone mainstream....Someone has put 8magicwords on YouTube....The whole world will now see what dotmobi has done to Tequila.mobi....Only a matter of time before every blog, every media outlet, picks up this story, and the wider story about the auction battles.....The fires are now burning... Sadly, this means the mTLD Registry reputation is now very seriously at risk, as a responsible Registry....Its out of control...Its unlikely (whatever the technicalities of the situation) that they can win the public opinion battle from here......And, that means these actions (unless they stop it NOW) will likely lead to a complete loss of confidence in the Registry, and its extension. Many warned them - very early on - that this would happen, if they persisted with the course of action they have chosen. But....All options for dotmobi (mTLD) remain open - even now.... (i) They can persist with the line they have taken up to now...(I'd suggest their line to date has not proved to be a terrific solution - either for dotmobi, themselves - Or, for the .mobi investors...and is getting worse by the day)... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=411984 Or... (ii) They can look at the overall commercial reality of where it all now is....Accept the lesser of the evils....and change course. (When Einstein was once asked: 'What would you do if your Theory of Relativity turned out to be wrong?....He replied: *'I'd change my mind, of course...'). He was right, imo. I respectfully suggest to dotmobi - that the decisions about this unhappy situation that they have taken up to this point, have proven to be....uh....not optimal, shall we say.... @ dotmobi (mTLD)....There is no obvious benefit to standing in your living room shouting: "But...I think I'm right....!!"...whilst your house burns down around you...* Like Einstein advised - perhaps NOW it is time to change their minds - stop the bleeding - genuinely work with us to find a solution that their own constituency (.mobi investors) can live with... ...A solution that IS optimal, for all concerned....And *acceptable* to all concerned. (And, btw - dotmobi are fully aware (via premium@mtld.mobi) that there ARE alternative SPECIFIC options available to them.) . __________________ NewMediaFrontiers.com® - ChatBox.com - Movie.info - Phone.me M.biz - Hypnotherapist.com - AJ.net - YT.net - iFlyDrive.com - iSofa.com Last edited by DomainTalker; 12-29-2007 at 09:31 PM.

12-29-2007, 10:35 AM	#27 (permalink)
Rubber Duck Account Closed Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 714	Like as not, there will be another fiasco with the re-auction. You can almost anticipate it being stopped by a last minute injunction.

12-29-2007, 11:44 AM	#28 (permalink)
companyone NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ca Posts: 210	Hi, What happen to: http://www.8magicwords.com/ ? Dan

12-29-2007, 11:48 AM	#29 (permalink)
Rubber Duck Account Closed Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 714	Probably fallen foul of some new legislation from Bush making it illegal to tell the truth about people online.

12-29-2007, 12:31 PM	#30 (permalink)
tophatter NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 556	Interesting, the site 8magicwords.com just says "thanks for visiting 8magicwords.com" site closed ?? what happened

12-29-2007, 12:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
3l3ctr1c NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 256	It was fine for me, an hour ago. Seems like something is wrong now.

12-29-2007, 12:35 PM	#32 (permalink)
mkylut NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nice, Cote d'Azur Posts: 791	bandwidth issue?

12-29-2007, 12:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
bucks NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA Posts: 134	He just posted a comment on the "other" forum about this. A very level headed comment considering the predicament he's in. Hopefully Mtld will WAKE UP before it's to late.

12-30-2007, 11:03 AM	#46 (permalink)
mulligan NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 507	What I find amazing is that people would even consider spending their money on this extension after what has happened. .. Sheesh .. why not just get their bank account numbers and empty your wallet / house / car and future into it? Just be thankful it happened now rather than later ..when you've spent even more money on development __________________ TLD.tv \| Gravure.tv

12-30-2007, 11:11 AM	#47 (permalink)
tophatter NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 556	Mulligan, I really don't think that after this fiasco that the Mobi ext is dead & buried, but just somewhat tarnished.I am still avidly buying mobis but much more selectively at this time,the selective part is not because of the auction fiasco. I think mobi has a good chance of making it and that of course depends on the sites being developed & getting alot of promotional help. Did you or do you own any mobis? If you did I don't think you'd be making the statements you just did,maybee this would be a good time for you to purchase some>>

12-30-2007, 04:34 PM	#49 (permalink)
tophatter NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 556	That's a real nice positive approach instead of the BS back and forth.Let's go foward in the New Year.Glad to hear your developing,I will be hopfully learning that process for some of my names or paying some one to dev for me. Have a good one. Regards

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