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"Please note double views and manipulated clicks can be detected by our system and are filtered out. Multiple clicks and views from the same user (IP address) are also not counted. If views or clicks are manipulated, we are obliged to remove your domains from the parking program and withhold revenue."
To be honest, I don't know how much Sedo is paid for any given click, and because of our contract with the ad provider, I wouldn't be able to disclose it. Also, they don't tell us how much a sponsor pays to begin with. As much as I'd like to answer that question with more than that, I can't. Again, though, I will try to get back with as much info as possible in answer to your earlier question about double clicks, aside from the FAQ information posted above.
As far as the .MOBI auction is concerned, and the decisions made regarding it, I've already given all the information I can. It might not be good enough for those who are interested, but it's all I have. I really wish I could give you all the answers you're seeking, but I believe those will come with time. For now, your patience is extremely appreciated.
@ netmeg & sdsinc: I don't work directly with the parking department. I know my fair share of information about it, but in terms of plans and the vision for the future, it's not conveyed until changes are closer to reality. We have been adding new images relatively regularly (custom images can run into trouble sometimes in terms of copyright issues), and new templates are always on the minds of everyone involved with parking here at Sedo.
Fresh ideas are always welcome. I guarantee that they will be shared, and if any of them are definitely coming to pass, I'll let you know!
So for everyone: I firmly believe that the coming months will be good ones, and that any recent mistakes will only help us look forward and make improvements where and when needed. Please keep suggestions coming!
I have got a question.I heard from alot of people who banned from sedo's parking program in the ban email saying natural traffic.In Sedo parking What is natural traffic? for example a person has got revenue last month 500 usd he has got 30 domains however only 1 domain has suspended by google then you withhold this domain's revenue 50 usd because of 1 domain you banned this person from the system ,Sedo did this many times, after that how about 450 usd ,who will you give 450 usd ? will you give it back to advertisers? free advertising? 450 usd revenue is not fraud according to two parties, but you banned the person from the system without giving money.
Keith, what about refunding the ad-providers for multiple clicks, after all you don't pay the domainer for them (yet other companies have no problem so doing)? This one really needs an answer. You may just want to refresh your memory by looking at Dedekind's post #52 above.
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Oh you will love this one Keith. When we as domainers sign on to Sedo is that an online contract that is formed between Sedo and the domain parker?
Clarification here will be helpful to us all, again I suggest contacting your legal od-bods about this, but we can wait until tomorrow for the answer.
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1. A configurable minimum earnings per click. Or at least a better minimum based on geographical area of the click. I have some domains getting $.02 clicks and I know they are getting good quality traffic. (minimal traffic, but definately good quality targeted traffic.) When it comes right down to it I'd rather show no ad than give high quality traffic away for $.02.
I am sure I've got some domains that probably deserve the $.02 clicks as well. Perhaps you could certify domains as high quality and have certified domains set to a higher minimum epc.
2. The ability to block specific advertisers from my domains. This hasn't been a problem for me on sedo so far, (unlike other companies) but I'd still like to have the feature.
3. Better Keyword optimization tools. I can think of at least one name in my sedo account that gets like 15 visits a month. Its really hard to select the right keyword when you get so little traffic. The name is a good name and the traffic is all type in. I'd like to see some tools to help suggest keywords that may do better, have higher advertiser competition, ect.
4. Some sort of graphical customization. Several of my names are japanese anime related. I have little doubt that most people after typing in one of these names expect to see some anime artwork on the screen. Regardless of how good the template looks it doesn't catch their eye.
Ideally I would like to see an option for users who want to create their own parking page. Perhaps with sedo providing the code for a few different size IFrame ad blocks and the user could insert the frame into a totally custom one page website, complete with articles, meta tags, custom images, ect. I think this would avoid the copywright issues you have with custom images. In this scenario a user with custom pages would be hosting their own images, and only the ads would be served by sedo.
I would like to see Sedo implement a analytics solution where the source of traffic on a domain can be easily reviewed and verified by potential buyers.
Should one have interest to acquire a domain with an x amount of visits per month the buyer should be able to see,
A: Where the traffic is coming from.
B: If the traffic is from real people, not automated bots of some sort, or unnatural repeat visits from for example the seller.
C: Review traffic history in conjunction with criteria A & B of the time the domain is parked with Sedo.
As of now a buyer that would buy a domain purely on traffic numbers on Sedo's marketplace can not have the assurance the traffic is legitimate as it can be easily inflated.
Naturally Sedo can provide assistance in assuring the buyer the traffic is legitimate, but it is not impartial and it's not transparent and i can't rely on a mere email or word from Sedo giving me "assurance" the traffic is legitimate.
Transparency and the ability to do your own audits of the traffic a domain receives gives buyers more confidence and would make Sedo's marketplace a more trusted place to buy domains for traffic.
That is a feature i would like to see Sedo implement.
Ok, Sedo has a lot to answer for with regards to a couple of things. I only have a few names at Sedo now due to its poor RPC so my best names are now with Bodis.
1) When I accept an offer from a buyer on Sedo through a private offer or auction, and the buyer doesn't pay, Sedo don't seem to do anything about it. I see you need to insert your bank details now so why doesnt Sedo automatically charge the buyers card when he doesnt pay since he is bound to a legally binding contract?
2) I have a SedoPro account and i mostly get 2 euro cent clicks. would you say that was acceptable?
3) Personalised parking pages...look at what Bodis have done? surely a company of sedo's size would think about doing something like this?
I am going to give my opinion on a few of these points. I would like to hear Sedo's opinion as well.
It would be nice if Sedo would seperate bot traffic from regular traffic. Then again, they pay out pop-unders on high bot traffic domains, which is nice. I imagine that displaying bot traffic seperately would require an overhaul of their whole system. I personally do kind of like knowing how much bot traffic a site has. Also, some parking companies do not show RSS traffic. It is as if it does not exist. I am glad that Sedo shows that. I mentioned before the main benefit and downside I see to them showing us this extra traffic. Benefit to them is that domains for sale show more visitors, downside is we all have lower CTR and RPM. A side benefit to us, is that they pay for pop-unders on this traffic.
On the issue of knowing if the traffic is legitamite. I think that on any marketplace, you can not know with 100% certainty if the traffic is legitimate. I wish that as a seller we could send screenshots to prospective bidders, but without their email that is not possible. We can still ask the seller and Sedo themselves to provide us with any information we want, including, Clicks, CTR, RPM, and Earnings, and we can make them go back a few months. Now I have not tested this, but I believe if we ask a Sedo employee for stats and they give us wrong stats, or stats that are fraudulent and don't tell us, then we have the ability to return the domain and get our money back. That is one of the main reasons to ask a Sedo employee to confirm traffic quality. If the domain has 1000 daily visitors, and then you buy it and it drops to 5, that is unacceptable. But like on most domain marketplaces, you do have to ask and do your own research. Their traffic number are normally closer than TDNam, and it is better than having to guess based on Alexa rankings or things like that.
I think that more transparency is good in every marketplace
I understand your frustrations about not having access to this information. This feature will definitely be considered, but it would have to be set up where the seller would provide them at his/her discretion. We are not able to disclose specific traffic information to anyone other than the owner/seller without explicit permission.
Hi kev,
1. We do take action against buyers who have failed to follow through with their obligations. However, at this time, we are not able to automatically charge a buyer's account for various reasons. This is one reason, though, that we implemented the buyer crtification program, which has drastically cut down on buyer negligence, and can be used to limit these buyers from our services. You can talk to your transfer agent about the specifics of any given transaction.
2. Unfortunately, I'm not directly involved in parking. I can answer many questions, and can help with most account issues. However, if you are a SedoPro client (and what I deem to be a Sedo GmbH member), the best person to speak with is your account manager. That's what their here for. Send me a PM with your account details, and I can at least take a look.
3. As mentioned, we're always looking for ways to improve the parking program. This is the kind of feedback we need; my suggestions is to mention this to your account manager as well, on top of the idea here.
Hi Cyberion,
Thanks for that! I think the people here are pretty tame, and plus, I know none of their frustration is with me, per se. But the support in making this a positive experience for everyone involved is definitely much appreciated!
Hi blaknite,
1. That has been considered, but much of that relies heavily on our agreements with the ad provider. I have no doubt that if something like this does happen, there will be information sent out.
2. We've been asked about this before. Luckily, the quality of the ads our parked pages are fed are up there. Basically, though, this comes down to our agreements with the provider. Right now, it can't happen, but it could be a possibility!
3. There have been some background changes to help this process, and we are continually making strides in regards to the intelligence of the keyword selection system. I agree that this would be a great feature, and I will personally make sure it's considered.
4. We've regularly added new images to the database. It's hard, though, to think of all the possibilities that may be required for parking. I've been asked for my ideas on this before, so I will share this again.
I know that Sedo does ban people for making bids and not following through with it. I think that it works like this. The seller and buyers all sign up for an agreement when we sign up. The sellers agree to certain things, such as I agree to sell it on your syste, I own the domain, if you get a bid on one of my names, I agree to your specific bidding process and while it is in negotiations or on auction, I can not take it off or sell it somewhere else. It is a binding contract with Sedo. The punishment for breaking this islosing your account I think. As a buyer we agree to certain things, such as, this is my real information, Once I make a bid it is binding, I will pay for every auction I win. This is punishable also by losing your account. This is a binding agreement between the buyer and Sedo.
You don't break Sedo's rules, because you don't want to lose your account. These people sign up for new accounts, don't pay, and then get shut down. It is very frustrating and does not help the seller at all. At the same time, imagine if they had somewhere in the agreement in the fine print, we will automatically deduct the amount of your auction winings, within this amount of days, if you don't pay. I bet many people would not read the agreement and would get very pissed. I still think that they need to have more strict guidelines for bidding approval and maybe a non-refundable deposit on bids. Also, a there are no requiremens to join Sedo as a parker, there should be requirements to join Sedo as a bidder.
I was typing this one out and Keith got out answers before I could attempt any. I do think that $.02 is low and that they better be able to help you with that.
I also think that one place people get confused with the contracts, at least the way I see it, is that some people think that the non-paying buyer is breaking a contract between the buyer and seller. I believe that the seller has a contract with Sedo and the buyer has a contract with Sedo, so the buyer is breaking the contract with Sedo, not the seller.
Finally, if I could ask a question, Keith. I assume that you guys will only be checking/replying to messages on here during normal Sedo business hours. What are those hours? Monday-Friday 9:00-6:00 EST, or what?
Sleepys, although Keith did not answer my question about 'contracts' I was referring to the 'parking' TOS which have to be agreed to before you can park names on the Sedo system. Is that an online contract between Sedo and the domainer?
In an offer/counter-offer sale the 'contract' in the sale is specified in TOS as being between the vendor and purchaser. In an auction the 'contract' is even more enshrined as being between the vendor and the purchaser, but it looks like that will have to wait for answers upon a court decision.
My first point above is that if a 'contract' is formed between Sedo and the domainer parking his/her domains then the domainer would under law be able to have access to the records so as to verify that s/he is obtaining the minimum 50% specified of all income paid by the ad-provider/s. This is important as my question remains unanswered about Sedo returning to Google (and other ad-providers) all monies paid for multiple clicks beyond the first click from an IP address.
My main point was here. Are we as the owner/seller of the domain "the vendor"? Or since it is on Sedo's system, do they become "the vendor" of our domain? I think that they are the vendor, so the seller has a contract with Sedo, as does the buyer. They consider the buyer theirs and so obviously don't want to give out that info.
True transparency would be nice in any of the parking companies. I don't think we are anywhere close to getting it. Especially since they all tell us the same thing, which is either Google or Yahoo won't let us tell you this or show you that. I would think that your argument that they legally have to show us, would probably work better on those parking companies that are also publicly traded companies, and thus are regulated on some level.
I do also apologize if my long responses on this thread so far are annoying. Some of these questions being asked, I had thought to ask before, and either have asked or have debated it in my head long enough to have developed an idea of how or why they do something some way. If I am ever wrong in one of my assumtions, I hope another member on here or Keith will correct me as soon as they notice.
In English law the figures must be able to be independantly verified. Sedo operates within the UK, there are definately domainers who park domains in the UK and therefore UK law can be applied.
Sedo in their TOS specifically states they are not the purchaser or vendor, which actually makes no difference, again the law is clear, otherwise they would be responsible for all the failed purchases that have and do occur on Sedo, this would amount to $millions, and I am sure they do not want that.
We await your answer Keith. SImple clarification please. Is the agreement that a domainer has to agree too before s/he can park domains on Sedo a 'contract'? A simple 'Yes' or 'No' answer will do.
Wow. That is way over my head. I am glad that you corrected me though. As I said, my answer was just my assumption based on the way things worked. I assumed that we (the seller) have a contract with Sedo and they have a contract with the buyer. I don't know the intricicies of U.S. Law, and I certainly don't know the intricicies of British Law. Lets just hope that Keith can get you an answer from Sedo that is satisfactory.
Your question is better suited for an attorney. I am not an attorney, so unfortunately, I cannot comment as to whether or not our Terms of Use represent a contract.
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