[DNK.it]

mmm I've seen this thread only now.
this is my list. I've analyzed a list of 20k italian words from various source.

i 12,43%
e 11,82%
a 10,42%
o 8,80%
n 7,40%
r 6,81%
t 6,81%
l 6,10%
s 5,06%
c 4,01%
d 3,60%
p 2,92%
u 2,92%
m 2,76%
g 1,82%
v 1,56%
h 1,08%
b 1,05%
f 0,99%
z 0,92%
q 0,29%
y 0,10%
k 0,10%
x 0,04%
j 0,01%

premium quality: i, e, a, o, n, r, t, l, s, c, d, p, u, m, g, b, f, v
Medium quality: y, z, h
Low quality: q, x, k
Worst ones: j

[Ergo]

Originally Posted by xrvel

I agree that "U" is a premium, because it can be spelled as "You" too

We are talking about acronyms. U = U in acronyms not You.
U = University, Union, United, Unsecure, Unofficial, Unlimited, Unit, Uniform, Utility,
Ultimate, Usage, Universal... Unfortunately Universities are located at .edu domains and Unions are likely to find their place at .org domains. So unfortunately this can't be premium letter.

V is much much better. As I told its Video, Vacancy, Validate, Value, Van, Vehicle, vendor, vice-, via, etc. etc - huge commercial terms (especially Video). Yes, perhaps it's not premium. But among V,W,U,K,J I would choose V.

I decided to change my view at letters value:

Top tier: A, S, C, T
High Premium: M,E,B,P,D,N,I
Low Premium: R,G,O,L,F,H
High Value: V,W
Non-Premium: K,U,J
Bad letters: Y,Z,X,Q

Quote:

I've analyzed a list of 20k italian words from various source.

Have you analyzed only initial letters of these 20k words or all letters?

Perhaps it will be interesting but in Russian language I would place all letters in this order (quick analysis):

Premium: A,B,V,G,D,K,L,M,N,P,R,S,T
Not premium: F,Z,O,I,E,U
Bad: C,Y,H,J,W,X,Q

Different languages - different premiums All LLLL.com sooner or later will find their end users

[DomainMayhem.com]

U most definitely is moving up the list. We cannot forget to factor in new trends, new usage of letters and acronyms, etc.

[DNK.it]

Originally Posted by ergo

Have you analyzed only initial letters of these 20k words or all letters?

All letters
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/401588-np-community-about-premium-letters-please.html

Originally Posted by ergo

Different languages - different premiums All LLLL.com sooner or later will find their end users

Yes, I think so too. Would be nice to analyze the quality of letters in all language

[VURG]

Top tier: A,C,S
High Premium: I,M,T,E,P,D
Low Premium: N,B,L,R,O,H,F,G
Non-Premium: U,W,K,V,Y,J
Lowest Tier: Z,X,Q

I have also ranked letters from left to right where I consider the left side to be the better letter.

M is often underated. I'd consider I & M to be possible competitors for the position of 4th best letter.

H is possibly underated. It is often considered to be the worst premium letter However, I think F and G are possibly worse.

Not sure about P. I've only recently seen some stats to support that P is not in the low premium category.

I'm tending to think that U and W are the best non-premium letters.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588

A,C and S are the best!
Z,X and Q are the worst!

[jido]

Originally Posted by DomainMayhem.com

U most definitely is moving up the list. We cannot forget to factor in new trends, new usage of letters and acronyms, etc.

Reminds me, I came across a gas truck with a http://www.weou.co.uk/ banner on it today.

[accent]

Originally Posted by jido

Reminds me, I came across a gas truck with a http://www.weou.co.uk/ banner on it today.

Do you think that is a comment on gas prices?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588
weou = We Owe You???

If not that is one for the "what were they thinking" list.

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by nullmind

All letters ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588 Yes, I think so too. Would be nice to analyze the quality of letters in all language

Hi Antonio , is not this what you want?

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=914452

It was in my opening message.

Thanks to all new voters, hopefully we get more so the Poll will have some statistical value.

[DNK.it]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Hi Antonio , is not this what you want? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588 http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=914452 It was in my opening message.

oops

[jido]

Originally Posted by accentnepal

Do you think that is a comment on gas prices? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588 weou = We Owe You??? If not that is one for the "what were they thinking" list.

Their tag line is "We owe you for choosing Texaco", and it is their loyalty scheme web site.

[tristanperry]

I still don't think that U should be considered premium (even though I'd stand to gain from higher worth domains).

It's the least commonly used vowels, and we can't really say that *all* vowels are premium (IMHO) - considering that vowel are used to make up nearly all words.

Whilst I am a fan of the 3Character site, I think that there should be different tiers of premium letters

[Ross]

IMO, the guy that made the 3character site relized that most of the people buying and selling these names were americans or people that speak english. If you look at who is buying the most domains in the world America is well ahead of and coutry out there by ALOT. So in my opinion the 3character site "premium letters" are pretty much right on considering the market these names are going to. Dont get me wrong i think that the premium letters should be adjusted considering the market that the names are geared toward. For instants you got some "horrible" lll.com like "XUZY(.)com" (i dont own this) you would prolly try and sell to the chinese since earlier stated in this thread that "x" maybe a premium letter in china. All im saying is that there really cant be a "set" of premium letters go by. They are going to change depending on who is buying them and what they are going to do with that name.

[italiandragon]

This is still open guys.

[FPForum]

Good info there. I have always considered U a premium. The only thing I disagree on is that I don't consider W a premium. Although provided by your charts, I never knew just how "premium" it was. Thanks for sharing

[Ergo]

Neither U nor W are premium letters and will never be. And prices for LLLL.coms confirm this. They are semi-premium.

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Ergo

Neither U nor W are premium letters and will never be. And prices for LLLL.coms confirm this. They are semi-premium.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588
How can you say "and will never be"

Can you also tell me the next lotto numbers?

Prices have decided by demands and by an incorrect (in my opinion) 3 chars guide.

Imagine if I go buying all names with U and W , you tell me, what would happen?

Plus, with new emerging Countries , different languages and cultures coming on the net , any old guide is changing constantly. Even the beautiful ancient Roman Empire dissolved , can`t letters be used in different ways?

[-REECE-]

W is actually very close to premium with triple premium + W LLLL.coms not differing all that much from quad premium LLLL.coms with multiple "bad premiums" such as F and H.

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Reece

W is actually very close to premium with triple premium + W LLLL.coms not differing all that much from quad premium LLLL.coms with multiple "bad premiums" such as F and H.

now F is bad too ?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588

Finance
Forex
Faboulous
France
Finland
Federation
Federal


??????

[-REECE-]

Yeah, F is a lesser premium (still premium though).

If you look up LLL.com sales, those with F's and H's fair noticeably worse than LLL.coms with alot of other letters -- most notably the super-premiums A,C,S.

Originally Posted by italiandragon

now F is bad too ? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588 Finance Forex Faboulous France Finland Federation Federal ??????

It certainly does have good acronyms though... Maybe another example of domainers picking favorites

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Reece

Yeah, F is a lesser premium (still premium though). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588 If you look up LLL.com sales, those with F's and H's fair noticeably worse than LLL.coms with alot of other letters -- most notably the super-premiums A,C,S. It certainly does have good acronyms though... Maybe another example of domainers picking favorites

I`m really surprised by how that 3 chars price guide has been created and basically all domainers followed it like sheeps for years.

U is the starting letter of this Country where most of them come from .....yet they do not like it?

[DNK.it]

Average and median price for LLLL.com starts with letter:

A 2532 - 126 ( 211 num. of sales )
B 47966 - 80 ( 202 )
C 6408 - 261 ( 122 )
D 2173 - 55,255 ( 170 )
E 762 - 132,5 ( 160 )
F 16922 - 57,5 ( 154 )
G 4271 - 67 ( 145 )
H 2051 - 67 ( 149 )
I 1081 - 52 ( 191 )
J 8145 - 40 ( 129 )
K 2770 - 51 ( 102 )
L 4679 - 52 ( 162 )
M 2205 - 116 ( 129 )
N 1233 - 60 ( 155 )
O 366 - 43 ( 207 )
P 2284 - 70 ( 159 )
Q 143 - 24,5 ( 142 )
R 6600 - 60 ( 162 )
S 28081 - 165 ( 137 )
T 5074 - 76 ( 143 )
U 481 - 48,88 ( 175 )
V 1345 - 30 ( 220 )
W 35853 - 59 ( 103 )
X 3173 - 33 ( 123 )
Y 341 - 35 ( 152 )
Z 615 - 39,5 ( 122 )

*value are in $

All data have been taken from http://www.tdvr.com

ps. as always rep is appreciated

[VURG]

Originally Posted by nullmind

Average price for LLLL.com starts with letter: A 2532 B 47966 C 6408 D 2173 E 762 F 16922 G 4271 H 2051 I 1081 J 8145 K 2770 L 4679 M 2205 N 1233 O 366 P 2284 Q 143 R 6600 S 28081 T 5074 U 481 V 1345 W 35853 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=401588 X 3173 Y 341 Z 615 *value are in $ All data have been taken from http://www.tdvr.com ps. as always rep is appreciated

So we all buy LLLL.com that start with "B" and "W" because WINE.com and BEER.com push up the average. Maybe you should use the logarithms or alternatively look at the median when calculating averages to reduce the bias caused by the high priced sales.

It would also be good to know the numbers of sales starting with each letter.

[DNK.it]

Originally Posted by VURG

So we all buy LLLL.com that start with "B" and "W" because WINE.com and BEER.com push up the average. Maybe you should use the logarithms or alternatively look at the median when calculating averages to reduce the bias caused by the high priced sales. It would also be good to know the numbers of sales starting with each letter.

Hi Vurg,
median and number of sales added

[tpruby]

It seems that no one likes J, but J stands for Jobs, Journal, Jokes, Japan, Java,jewelry....

To me, jewelry and jobs alone place J out of low premium. I place J in the middle of the field.

[italiandragon]

Not enough votes, come NPers!!