DomainTalker

Its a pity you choose this way (buying iphones.mobi - and then trashing .mobi) to disrespect genuine domainers that see .mobi as an opportunity...


Trouble is, Greg, you need to be cleverer today to make money from a domain, like iphones.mobi - than you had to be to make money from early era .coms....You need more supple thinking to see the opportunity.


Buying, when premium .com domains were cheap & plentiful - then, park & hold - then, later, sell at massively inflated prices for doing practically nothing - isn't all that clever....Monkeys could do it - and many did...lol

...Don't need a lot of brains to get rich that way - You needed to simply be there when you could buy those premium .coms, and derivatives, like .com LLL, cheap.


Why wasn't it clever to make money that way? 'Cos everyone else (the clever people) did all the work...


...Others did the clever work to create and build the whole internet structure around domains to make it work (not most owners of domains). Others created & built the parking structure that delivered domainers a revenue stream. Others, again, created & built the Registrar structure, to enable mass investment into domains (thus creating an easy 'domainer demand', and 'buy' channel'). And, non-domainers determined that .com should be the main url access for the mass use of the 'net....And I haven't even mentioned the web developers & designers, and code writers, and graphics geniuses, and....and...etc that made the internet usable at all.
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Most domainers just sat and held - Some created sites & businesses - Most didn't create much - as demand pushed prices up around them. Many did well - Luck and timing. Good for them.


Early .com domainers took a risk?....Yeah, sure....$200-$300, sometimes $600, to register a generic premium .com domain, at the time....Hahahaa....Huge financial risk...!!


I'm delighted many of these early .com guys have made a lot of money from domains....They were there at an opportune time - and, they got lucky. That's good - but, it doesn't necessarily make you worth listening to now.


Making easy money in a rising .com market doesn't make you bright. Buying back in during the Dotcom bust doesn't make you bright - it makes you an opportunist. And, it doesn't make your opinions on the trends & shape of today's, and tomorrow's, complex domain world worth a spit....If you don't own generic .coms today, you have to be a LOT smarter to make money than in those early buy-gold-cheap-and-wait, days, imo...


...And, buying iphones.mobi today - and doing what the old .com guys have always done - ie nothing - and, then, expect it to make a lot of money - and then declare .mobi hopeless, if it doesn't get traffic & revenue....is, in today's market....well....the mind of a simpleton at work...


But, then, as I said, you have to work harder & smarter these days to make money - if you're dealing with non-generic .coms, or other extensions like .mobi...


A lot of the old .com guys just don't understand .mobi, imo....Its too complex.....It demands calculating variables...And, conceptual thinking...And, its not as simple as it all used to be.


So, they bag .mobi, and deride it - and the people that adhere to .mobi...


I just don't think many of the old .com guys are good enough - beyond lucky - to have their opinions listened to today - now that the whole internet is more complex...

Sorry - but, reading the banal utterings - that passes for opinion & analysis, of some of the so-called 'Gods' of the domain world - and their silly shallow thinking - is a sad experience...They know less than the rest of us about where its at today.....Its like Exxon taking advice about oil today, from an old wildcat driller that happened to hit a gusher years ago, and got rich....Quaint nostalgia - but, irrelevant.


Its okay, though.....these guys are just out of their depth now - out of touch, and out of time....stamping their feet on the margins.


Hold onto iphones.mobi, Greg....Do nothing....Don't worry....In time, others will create the .mobi infrastructure for you.....And, then you'll make the easy money, as you've always done...


Just don't expect your simplistic, old-era opinions, about future domain-market trends & value, to be listened to, or respected.

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tpyo

I want to be your friend too

btw you forgot to quote stoclicker.

Gregr

Who do you think you are, cac14850?

DomainTalker

Too much for an old-timer, eh....?...

Okay, I'll break it down for ya, Greg:


Imo, the mobile web - and the future of the internet - demands modified thinking.....ie new mechanisms, response triggers, and traffic-generating tools/criteria.


The new tools are being created now (including a dedicated made-for-mobile extension, .mobi)....and domain value is likely to depend upon these new tools, with new usage (traffic) patterns, and new mass-user motivations, and habits.
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That means the old model of buy, park, 'n sell, ain't the best way to get rich from domains in the future web world - especially passive parking, imo - for the vast majority of domainers that do not own the premium, generic .coms.


Many old-style .comers just don't get that, or, don't care.


Their experience was a successful, but essentially one-dimensional, model - based (for the most part) on fortunate timing, cheap generics, and organic demand growth. Not necessarily great skill.


Today needs skilfull thinking to be successful.


In this fast-moving internet era, most of the domain 'Gods' of yesteryear offer less and less value about today's internet - based on their out-of-touch experience, which depends on a model that is likely not to be the key to the future, imo - ie they ain't 'gurus' no more.


Therefore, if you can't rationally explain your opinion about .mobi - in the context of today's internet of more complex mobile web developments - your views on .mobi can't be taken seriously, imo - regardless of how well you've done from the domain .com 'era'.

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rep added. good post

now can we stop adding to this soppy thread?

doh!

-REECE-

This has been fun to read

I wouldn't say investing in .mobi is necessarily right or wrong... Flowers.mobi at $1 would be a bargain... Not so much of a bargain at 200k though imho. I couldn't care less if the extension was .cc, .biz, .asia... There's money to be made if you can find someone who doesn't know what his name is worth or can find a "sucker" to pay multiples of it's actual value.

Why would I honestly care whether I'm selling to a "sucker", an investor, or enduser (other than to perhaps extort the enduser a bit )?

.mobi may very well prove to be a good investment... But it certainly will never see the success .com has. We should all be able to agree with that. The mobile internet is a subsection of the internet, just like the .mobi forum is of Namepros. The Namepros .mobi forum can't be bigger than Namepros as a whole, now can it?

I can see where some people like Gregr are coming from... I'm sitting on a 300-400% ROI inside of a 3 month period of time on my LLLL.coms. In layman terms, I'm sitting on a profit of about 40k USD. If I sell all those names and reinvest in a couple really good LLL.coms, hunting around for bargains, I may very well be up 100k inside of a year just between those LLLL.coms and LLL.coms.
All from an 11k investment...

If we compare that to my equally large investment in .mobi... No, I don't think I'll be seeing 100k for my .mobi collection anytime soon.

"But 5 years from now Mobi will be huge..." Like 100k worth of .coms won't be huge 5 years from now?

I wish our Landrushers all the best. If you picked up 100+ generics at regfee back then, you might very well strike it rich. But that newbie who regged 100+ after that and thinks he's going to get rich off of it is living in noobland imho. Maybe if you have thousands of names or bought heavily into the aftermarket, but the big winners here are the landrushers, just like with .com back in the day. The day sex.mobi hits $1 million - nvm 14, I may think differently. I'm afraid that day is a long, long ways off - if it is to ever occur.

cac14850

Well greg, I am smart enough to quote posts and then respond to the individual who actually wrote them. As I had nothing to do with that post you quoted I am unsure why you thought it was me. If you are referring to the other post I put in this thread and comparing that post with mine then you are not even smart enough to realize that was a copy and paste article. I certainly wouldnt waste that much time trying to change your mind.
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Personally I could care less what you think; bash away at mobi. You are not necessarily wrong in how you see mobi playing out; no one can answer that question today. You are however wrong if you think one can't make money with mobi now.

DomainTalker

Apologies...I should have cleared that up, too....cac ain't me - and I ain't cac, of course....

My guess is Greg gets confused by long posts, cac...
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