What is your take on the Sedo .Mobi Auction Successful, Unsuccessful? - Page 3

snoop · 10-03-2007, 09:17 PM

Regarding the bidding level about the only one I am surprised about is hosting.mobi. The other seems to suggest market market have fallen by a large % since the original Traffic auction, a 12 month period when the rest of the market has probably doubled on average.

Loans.mobi for 30k 12 mths ago would have been unimaginable, it would have been 100k+.

-REECE- · 10-03-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Regarding the bidding level about the only one I am surprised about is hosting.mobi. The other seems to suggest market market have fallen by a large % since the original Traffic auction, a 12 month period when the rest of the market has probably doubled on average.

Loans.mobi for 30k 12 mths ago would have been unimaginable, it would have been 100k+.

It was pure speculation back then.. That's like comparing .coms to '99 prices and saying that domain name values really haven't taken off much in the last 8 years.

The fact remains that most naysayers thought .mobi would absolutely die in these auctions, and yet, for mobile relevant terms, it sometimes came out ahead of .net and often was somewhat close.

As for the creditcards.ext example, I did some research into this myself.. Seems most modern phones don't support cookies and hence are useless for the conventional creditcards.com-like purpose of generating massive commissions from new credit card signups. Loans.mobi would obviously suffer the same fate (unless bought by a genuine enduser; re: a bank).
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For non-mobile relevant names -- which were considered worthless by most people even a few short months ago -- to be trading at "about .info levels"... That's a very good sign (especially for me since I own no mobile-related .mobis)

Jeff · 10-03-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Loans.mobi for 30k 12 mths ago would have been unimaginable, it would have been 100k+.

You will be reminded by some that the "development restrictions" held this, and other domains, down today IMHO. However, until we know the exact extent to which these Rules will be enforced ... I concur with your post - Loans.mobi at 1% of the sales price of Loans.com in 2000 (or $170,000 less than the "sale" Flowers.mobi!) is not overly encouraging, in my view. The "development restrictions" theory is only an excuse for gnerally declining .MOBI auction prices (driven by narrow, lower demand (we will soon see if any End users/developers participated) ... unless it is truly enforced!

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-Jeff

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

...driven by narrow, lower demand (we will soon see if any End users/developers participated) ... unless it is truly enforced!

-Jeff

Jeff, I have the vague feeling you are mixing up two of your arguments here. Surely a price of say 100k for domain X when bought directly by an end user would suggest a lower average demand than if a speculator bought the same domain for the same 100k.

PS: Remember, speculators cannot be consistently stupid because they would be out of business and not able to buy anything at all.

Jeff · 10-03-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

PS: Remember, speculators cannot be consistently stupid because they would be out of business and not able to buy anything at all.

Not if there are more of them ... but I'll expand on this and your point above tom'w as I can, remember I'm supposed to be on Vacation™ for Heaven's sake!

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Nightio for now.

-Jeff

hawkeye · 10-03-2007, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Jeff, I have the vague feeling you are mixing up two of your arguments here. Surely a price of say 100k for domain X when bought directly by an end user would suggest a lower average demand than if a speculator bought the same domain for the same 100k.
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PS: Remember, speculators cannot be consistently stupid because they would be out of business and not able to buy anything at all.

"Ohh... little grasshopper, you are only beginning to see and read, the lack of cohesiveness and doublespeak, that runs rampid from the 'budgie one'. Learn you will"

snoop · 10-03-2007, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

It was pure speculation back then.. That's like comparing .coms to '99 prices and saying that domain name values really haven't taken off much in the last 8 years.

At least you seem to be admitting that in the last year this market hasn't risen, that is more than most (personally I think it has fallen 50%-75% for the quality keyword names).
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It was pure speculation 12 months ago and it is pure speculation now. The main difference is that 12 months ago there seemed to be a good chance of the backers promoting this extension and there was a lot of talk about defaulting.

Originally Posted by Reece

The fact remains that most naysayers thought .mobi would absolutely die in these auctions, and yet, for mobile relevant terms, it sometimes came out ahead of .net and often was somewhat close.

Who said it was going to die today?, can you point out these drama queens? I saw some people saying it wouldn't do very well, and that is what happened. The market is deflating though it isn't likely to suddenly fall to the floor.

I'm not sure where the suggestion that these sales are compared to .net came from. I'm guessing that a lot of people aren't really following the .net market or don't really understand the quality of the keywords that was sold in .mobi today, because prices of .net of that that quality of name are no where near these .mobi prices.

Here is some .net sales for this year,

RealEstate.net $300,000 (.mobi sold for 85k)
Chinese.net $180,000
Ringtones.net $175,000
Houses.net $75,000
Camping.net $60,000
Model.net $50,000
Laptop.net $40,000
MortgageRates.net $36,495
Bookmarks.net $32,975
Merlin.net $30,000

versus today's .mobi sales

Hosting.mobi $ 101,000
Bank.mobi $ 51,501
Download.mobi $ 51,500
Currency.mobi $ 47,000
Chat.mobi $ 42,000
Traffic.mobi $ 36,008
Books.mobi $ 33,510
Free.mobi $ 31,500
Loans.mobi $ 30,000

There is really only two truly top end .net's in that list (realestate and ringtones) and maybe 6-7 truly top end .mobi names, ie the keyword quality of that .mobi list is way higher than the .net list, yet the prices are lower. As I have said these .mobi prices are lower than .info prices overall and not comparable to .net at all.

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 10:54 PM

Snoop, when was the last time 100 of the best .net keywords were auctioned off in the same hour (using a purely online platform at that)?

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Snoop, when was the last time 100 of the best .net keywords were auctioned off in the same hour (using a purely online platform at that)?

It will never happen because those names are very tightly held. Basically .mobi is in a glut situation with the high quality names, even today the registry only sold 2% of their holdings and some people are saying it is too much (personally I don't they have so too many at once, the dollar amount raised isn't a huge, some of the people who have bought .mobi's in the past could easily swallow that amount (800k) in one go if they wanted to).

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

It will never happen because those names are very tightly held. Basically .mobi is in a glut situation with the high quality names, even today the registry only sold 2% of their holdings and some people are saying it is too much (personally I don't they have so too many at once, the dollar amount raised isn't a huge, some of the people who have bought .mobi's in the past could easily swallow that amount (800k) in one go if they wanted to).

Exactly, so aren't we wasting our time trying to compare apples to oranges?

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Exactly, so aren't we wasting our time trying to compare apples to oranges?

No, why would it be a waste of time? We should ignore these sales or pretend they are higher because there is a glut of high quality .mobi's?
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That is simply a fact of the market.

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

What exactly are you saying, we should ignore these sales or pretend they are higher because there is a glut of high quality .mobi's? That is simply a fact of the market.

You pick :-)
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Clearly, Either would be more informative than pretending these .mobi sales were achieved in circumstances comparable to the circumstances in which your chosen .net examples were achieved.

dag · 10-03-2007, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

You pick :-)
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Clearly, Either would be more informative than pretending these .mobi sales were achieved in circumstances comparable to the circumstances in which your chosen .net examples were achieved.

The waste of time here is arguing with Snoop -- he's never had a good thing to say about .mobi, and I don't think you're going to get him to do so now.

garrett200 · 10-03-2007, 11:21 PM

I knew this would happen, the top naysayers are back putting a spin on the auction. Even they admit that most of the names went for at least .info prices. This alone proves it was a huge success in my view.

Remember folks, it's only been ONE YEAR. No matter what they have to say about how .mobi is failing, the MARKET HAS SPOKEN AND SAID OTHERWISE.

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

You pick :-)

Clearly, Either would be more informative than pretending these .mobi sales were achieved in circumstances comparable to the circumstances in which your chosen .net examples were achieved.

Those circumstances simply don't exist for .mobi so there is no point thinking about what the sales would be like if there was no overhang. It would be like saying "now what would oil be worth if oil supplies were 90% lower", I'd don't know why people are so intent on making excuses in the face of simple value comparisons. The sales are what they are, and in my view they are not at .net levels, in fact they look to be lower than .info levels for the good quality names right now.

garrett200 · 10-03-2007, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

The sales are what they are.

That's right, and the sales were quite respectable for any year old ext., in my view. You have to at least admit that.

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by garrett200

Even they admit that most of the names went for at least .info prices.

Actually I'm saying these prices are now lower than .info prices, that wasn't the case 12 mths ago.

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by dagersh

The waste of time here is arguing with Snoop -- he's never had a good thing to say about .mobi, and I don't think you're going to get him to do so now.

I'm OK with him not saying anything good about .mobi, he just stated one of the key relevant facts himself:
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Originally Posted by snoop

.... Basically .mobi is in a glut situation with the high quality names....

This is clearly an intentional glut, and appears to be part of a well thought out strategy to stimulate development via a shocking increase in supply and thus temporarily depressing prices but also lowering the barriers to entry for a more diverse group of developers.

I don't have anything good to say about the tactics of dumping 100 amazing domains on the market to close at the same moment in time, but the strategy does make sense.

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by garrett200

That's right, and the sales were quite respectable for any year old ext., in my view. You have to at least admit that.

Right, compared to other new extensions it has done well overall in terms of resale prices, but really that isn't saying much because none of the other new extensions really have any traction at all. The fact remains though that prices have been on the slide after the initial flurry. This extension did look to have good potential one year ago which isn't really the case today (hence the lower prices whilst the rest of the market has risen).

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 11:43 PM

Snoop, I genuinely want to understand what .net is for - not what it was supposed to be for at the beginning of the internet, but what it is supposed to be used for today, can you help?

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

This is clearly an intentional glut, and appears to be part of a well thought out strategy to stimulate development via a shocking increase in supply and thus temporarily depressing prices but also lowering the barriers to entry for a more diverse group of developers.
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I don't have anything good to say about the tactics of dumping 100 amazing domains on the market to close at the same moment in time, but the strategy does make sense.

I don't think there is an intentional glut, I'm sure they'd rather not have it, they have 5000 premium names to auction off so they have a glut unless they just decided to let all the names go (which wouldn't be logical since they are running a business here).

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Snoop, I genuinely want to understand what .net is for - not what it was supposed to be for at the beginning of the internet, but what it is supposed to be used for today, can you help?

It is a cheap alternative to .com.

yoyosean · 10-03-2007, 11:47 PM

The extension doesnt have good potential after todays results? Am I missing something? There were 100 domains up for sale and they brought in $850,000 or approx. $8500 per name average, I dont know what market you are from but in my book that is pretty amazing and shows a ton of potential.
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Can you point out where I am wrong.

I dont even think that you can state that prices have gone up or down. Each domain has a particular value to whatever user is bidding on the name, so perhaps flowers.mobi selling for $200,000 a year ago may have sold for more today if the end users of the domain were bidding on it, Real Estate may have very well fetched more than the 85,000 it sold for 6+ months ago and therefore there very well could have been an increase in the market.

I am really confused as to how todays auction was a negative for the ext. I guess we all have our own perceptions of the world and that is the way it is.

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

I don't think there is an intentional glut, I'm sure they'd rather not have it, they have 5000 premium names to auction off so they have a glut unless they just decided to let all the names go (which wouldn't be logical since they are running a business here).

I wouldn't be so sure that they are running a business in the conventional sense.

What would you guess is the highest .mobi (or .net for that matter) sale this year as a percentage of their sponsors' average annual profits in aggregate?

Originally Posted by snoop

It is a cheap alternative to .com.

Oh dear!
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Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that?

snoop · 10-03-2007, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Oh dear!

Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that?

No, that is exactly what it is, when people can't afford the .com sometimes they will buy the .net.

Mobi Cheap · 10-03-2007, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

No, that is exactly what it is, when people can't afford the .com sometimes they will buy the .net.

I think that's even worse than the previous version.

Wanna try again?

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garrett200 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,310	I knew this would happen, the top naysayers are back putting a spin on the auction. Even they admit that most of the names went for at least .info prices. This alone proves it was a huge success in my view. Remember folks, it's only been ONE YEAR. No matter what they have to say about how .mobi is failing, the MARKET HAS SPOKEN AND SAID OTHERWISE. __________________ Adopt A Polar Bear Today! Last edited by garrett200; 10-03-2007 at 11:24 PM.

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Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Snoop, I genuinely want to understand what .net is for - not what it was supposed to be for at the beginning of the internet, but what it is supposed to be used for today, can you help? __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

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yoyosean Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,202	The extension doesnt have good potential after todays results? Am I missing something? There were 100 domains up for sale and they brought in $850,000 or approx. $8500 per name average, I dont know what market you are from but in my book that is pretty amazing and shows a ton of potential. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=380800 Can you point out where I am wrong. I dont even think that you can state that prices have gone up or down. Each domain has a particular value to whatever user is bidding on the name, so perhaps flowers.mobi selling for $200,000 a year ago may have sold for more today if the end users of the domain were bidding on it, Real Estate may have very well fetched more than the 85,000 it sold for 6+ months ago and therefore there very well could have been an increase in the market. I am really confused as to how todays auction was a negative for the ext. I guess we all have our own perceptions of the world and that is the way it is. __________________ *PokerOnline.hk BetOnline.hk California.hk UnitedKingdom.hk GolfCourses.hk Action.hk TexasHoldEm.TW*

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snoop New User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,072	Regarding the bidding level about the only one I am surprised about is hosting.mobi. The other seems to suggest market market have fallen by a large % since the original Traffic auction, a 12 month period when the rest of the market has probably doubled on average. Loans.mobi for 30k 12 mths ago would have been unimaginable, it would have been 100k+.

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