[Pred]

Originally Posted by floatingworld

the aftermarket has just begun!

yep, and if you want a showcase site........
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/378968-llll-com-evaluation-thread.html


MyLLLL.com .............. is For Sale

[italiandragon]

The LLLL.com has finally been all bought but since nothing stops people who regged in the last 5 days to delete and ask a refund so despite we are scanning now ( I`m at 13 % ) I suppose that we`ll have to wait 5 days to make this buyout OFFICIAL.

There should be a gradual increase in prices and I already noticed that on TDNAM is very hard to find something below $20 (plus you need to consider the additional $10 of reg fee which brings the total to $30)

[-Raja-]

just sold yyrv.com for $40 here at NP, regd since 2005

[bgray]

OK, this is a nice thread you posted here ID but I've got to add some input on the whole CVCV, VCVC and pronouncable thing.

There is a HUGE misconception with these names regarding the "good" and "bad" letters.

The "Good" and "Bad" letter issue is for acronym names solely.
It is based on the number of word combination options for each letter.

This letter value structure is not good or reliable for BRANDABLE names.
This is very important because many of the 4 letter sales are based on how they sound and look.

While some CVCV, VCVC, CVVC, VCCV and the like are used for acronym names I'd argue that as many if not more are used as pronounable, BRANDABLE names in which case the acronym letter valuation issue can be thrown out the window.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968

Take the following examples:
Zoka, Pozo, Zoop
I didn't check to see if these were developed they would bring just as high of price as all premiums on the aftermarket because they sound good and are highly Brandable.

There really is a whole other letter valuation with these names and it is based off of how pronouncable they are AND how easily the letters can be confused with other letter when pronounced.

For example E and I and well as O and U sound alike is some instances and are often confused and mistyped with these names. (but not always) To add to that as my example shows above Z is actually a good letter in BRANDABLE CVCV names because it is easily pronounced and is not generally confused with other letters phonically.

In short, there is really NO general valuation book for such names which is why you probably haven't seen on out there.

Unlike 3 letter .coms there soooo many more exceptions to any percieved rules that it's almost too hard to place a blanket valuation on CVCV, VCVC and other pronoucable LLLL.coms as many need to be done on a case by case basis.

Not trying to put a damper on your effort. Just wanted to point out a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

BTW - I own over 50 CVCV.com and 18 of them are premium.
Out of all of them the one I've gotten the most serious interest on is WOZO.com with 5 unsolicited offers over $1k.

[srisri24]

I need some input on the following. We considered double letter domains, some thing like kkrw and xtmm and they are explained in the first post. But we still dint cover double letters with a vowel to make it pronouncible, something like rroz or xejj. Any inputs on this guys, If this can be added to the first post that would be quite informative.

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by bgray

OK, this is a nice thread you posted here ID but I've got to add some input on the whole CVCV, VCVC and pronouncable thing. There is a HUGE misconception with these names regarding the "good" and "bad" letters. The "Good" and "Bad" letter issue is for acronym names solely. It is based on the number of word combination options for each letter. This letter value structure is not good or reliable for BRANDABLE names. This is very important because many of the 4 letter sales are based on how they sound and look. While some CVCV, VCVC, CVVC, VCCV and the like are used for acronym names I'd argue that as many if not more are used as pronounable, BRANDABLE names in which case the acronym letter valuation issue can be thrown out the window. Take the following examples: Zoka, Pozo, Zoop I didn't check to see if these were developed they would bring just as high of price as all premiums on the aftermarket because they sound good and are highly Brandable. There really is a whole other letter valuation with these names and it is based off of how pronouncable they are AND how easily the letters can be confused with other letter when pronounced. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 For example E and I and well as O and U sound alike is some instances and are often confused and mistyped with these names. (but not always) To add to that as my example shows above Z is actually a good letter in BRANDABLE CVCV names because it is easily pronounced and is not generally confused with other letters phonically. In short, there is really NO general valuation book for such names which is why you probably haven't seen on out there. Unlike 3 letter .coms there soooo many more exceptions to any percieved rules that it's almost too hard to place a blanket valuation on CVCV, VCVC and other pronoucable LLLL.coms as many need to be done on a case by case basis. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 Not trying to put a damper on your effort. Just wanted to point out a HUGE pet peeve of mine. BTW - I own over 50 CVCV.com and 18 of them are premium. Out of all of them the one I've gotten the most serious interest on is WOZO.com with 5 unsolicited offers over $1k.

Hi, I agree that it`s extremely hard to fit 456K domains in few lines but this is a start. That`s my purpose. This industry is already changing every day and the market moves fast.
It`s true there are some letters that can be confused but that happens only when you pronunce it verbally and not when you write it....plus I think your point of view is only from an English speaker point of view and that`s not enought.

The evaluation guide is based on past sales, so we give (minimun) reseller values based on past sales, we don`t try to put values on LLLL to drive their values there.
Of course , nothing stops that someone could offer $500,000 for your WOZO.com but my question is:
how much would you pay for:

WOZO.COM
NUQE.COM
FABO.COM

?

Originally Posted by srisri24

I need some input on the following. We considered double letter domains, some thing like kkrw and xtmm and they are explained in the first post. But we still dint cover double letters with a vowel to make it pronouncible, something like rroz or xejj. Any inputs on this guys, If this can be added to the first post that would be quite informative.

Agreed, those examples will have more pronunciability , so added value, but it will require many sales to put a minimun value on them.

[italiandragon]

It`s already getting hotter on TDNAM:

bktu.com - 6 $40 1H 23M
cukd.com - 6 $40 1H 23M
bpoj.com - 4 $39 1H 23M
veht.com - 4 $31 1H 54M
jeyh.com - 4 $27 3H 40M
gakv.com - 1 $10 3H 40M
kecv.com - 5 $45 3H 41M
duvk.com - 4 $30 3H 41M
tuhv.com - 2 $15 3H 41M

[gazzip]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

The LLLL.com has finally been all bought but since nothing stops people who regged in the last 5 days to delete and ask a refund so despite we are scanning now ( I`m at 13 % ) I suppose that we`ll have to wait 5 days to make this buyout OFFICIAL.

What makes you think they will ever be all bought out if there are 866 LLLL.coms dropping in the next 30 days ?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968

ie:
88 today
within 1 day 220
within 5 days 462
within 30 days 866
anytime 1105

...and thats just one place, snapnames - I just don't see there ever being an "official buyout" but best of luck, the nice combos should do very well

JMO
.

[KingDon]

Hey bgray, glad to see you never changed your pic, that's definitely you. Nice names in your sig, you've been a busy beaver these past few years, congrats.

LLLL's may be dropping, but today they're all gone, and that means it's over; regardless of what happens in the future. Right here, right now, it's a done deal. Live for today!!!

[Travis]

Does anyone know how many all premium LLLL.coms there are?

[WGS_Thunder]

3character.com says these are premium letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T. So thats 17 letters. If I'm thinking correctly that makes 17x17x17x17= 83521 all premium combinations.

[bgray]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Hi, I agree that it`s extremely hard to fit 456K domains in few lines but this is a start. That`s my purpose. This industry is already changing every day and the market moves fast. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 It`s true there are some letters that can be confused but that happens only when you pronunce it verbally and not when you write it....plus I think your point of view is only from an English speaker point of view and that`s not enought. The evaluation guide is based on past sales, so we give (minimun) reseller values based on past sales, we don`t try to put values on LLLL to drive their values there. Of course , nothing stops that someone could offer $500,000 for your WOZO.com but my question is: how much would you pay for: WOZO.COM NUQE.COM FABO.COM ? Agreed, those examples will have more pronunciability , so added value, but it will require many sales to put a minimun value on them.

English speaking or not the majority of money spent on pronouncable CVCV.coms are based on phonics not acronym letter quality. That is why Nike chose the name they did. It's pronounced the same in almost any language. The acronym letter system simply doesn't suffice for this category of names. I could string out a list of sales that blow up your CVCV pricing. It's not something I'm debating. It's a fact and is highly overlooked.

To answer your question I would value Fabo and Wozo equally as they are both very pronouncable.

Nuqe would be below as it is not.

I see you working but q is bad in either an acronym system or a phonic system as there are few usable words starting with q and it is not easily pronounced.


BTW- Hi Don. Glad to see you around.

[Alex]

Some closed TDNAM sales:

BKTU.com - $60
CUKD.com - $40
bpoj.com - $39
VEHT.com - $51
VBGB.com - $110 (that is a nice one)
JEYH.com - $27
GAKV.com - $15
kecv.com - $45
duvk.com - $30
tuhv.com - $15
ykkp.com - $25
qncc.com - $60 (this is also a nice one)
qlup.com - $40
azzg.com - $40

Add to all of these $9 the renewal fee. This is a nice amount of money paid for these domains...

[DNK.it]

ebay sale:

vtkz.com 18.50$
vpgx.com 21$
vgad.com 78$
kzut.com 21.50$
oauv.com 28$
nwpq.com 29.91$
eysv.com 20.73$

bktu.com was sold at 12$ in 2006,
ckud.com at 10$ in 2006,
bpoj.com at 12$ in 2006

[floatingworld]

Originally Posted by nullmind

ebay sale: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 bktu.com was sold at 12$ in 2006, ckud.com at 10$ in 2006, bpoj.com at 12$ in 2006

let the negative crowd argue with that!

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by bgray

English speaking or not the majority of money spent on pronouncable CVCV.coms are based on phonics not acronym letter quality. That is why Nike chose the name they did. It's pronounced the same in almost any language. The acronym letter system simply doesn't suffice for this category of names.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968
I can totally assure you that the example you made is already wrong as NIKE was one of my first struglling branded names to understand here in Australia because in Italy we pronunce it very much different.

It would maybe help your point of view if you were asking to different people coming from different countries (who had English as their second language) to express their opinion on the pronunciation level of some LLLL.com of your choice.

[GAMEFINEST]

xcellent thread

[DADomains]

Originally Posted by floatingworld

let the negative crowd argue with that!

I am not in the negative crowd as I bought some LLLL.coms myself, but I do have what might be a negative observation.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968

I see people posting names that were sold as a way of proving that these kinds of names are indeed selling. But what is more important, I think, is the percentage of all the LLLL.coms on the market that are actually selling.

There could potentially be over 456,000 LLLL.coms up for sale now and all we have to show is a handful of them selling here and there? Sadly that is nothing to get excited about yet.

Also something that might make things worse in the near future is that as more and more LLLL.com owners try to make a quick profit the market could get glutted.

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by DADomains

I am not in the negative crowd as I bought some LLLL.coms myself, but I do have what might be a negative observation. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 I see people posting names that were sold as a way of "proving" that they are selling. But what is more important, I think, is the percentage of all the LLLL.coms on the market that are actually selling. There could potentially be over 456,000 LLLL.coms up for sale now and all we have to show is a handful of them selling here and there? Sadly that is nothing to get excited about yet. Also something that might make things worse in the near future is that as more and more LLLL.com owners try to make a quick profit the market could get glutted.

Thank you for your opinion, your point was one of my concerns in the early stages of my LLLL.com interest about 1 year ago but then I saw the numbers.

I`m running a deep full scan with expiry dates included and I`m seeing better results of what I expected. So far, out of the 250,000 scanned I found only 2 available ones that have been registered by someone in China already.

The scenario from you suggested could happen in many markets from Real Estate to stock markets, it could happen to LLL.com or any other domain niche.

I have been heavily involved in the second one and I know that where there is a good opportunity , usually the so called "distressed buyers" come to buy when it`s time.

We can`t say for sure what the future will bring, but the intent of this thread was not only that and I found very useful to list all known sales of LLLL.com

Many argue saying that 456K LLLL.com are too many.

Well, I can`t find any decent one under $100 right now.

In short: domaining is investing and investments are not 100 % safe , not even bonds are 100 % as people who invested in Argentina Bonds know NOW.

Usually , the higher is the possible return , the higher is the risk.

I have decided that rather than buy a single LLL.com for $10,000 I`d have better opportunities in buying about 100 or more LLLL.com for $100 or less.

And add to that in the last 3 days I had 2 different LLLL.com parked on SEDO earning me about 12 Euros without ANY EFFORT. (I`m still trying to figure out WHY).

[KingDon]

I have been getting offers for some of the names in my signature. Now, because I didn't sell, doesn't mean there's little action going on with LLLL's. I get your point about not seeing sales; but I could sell all my names tomorrow if I wanted. But then the bigger question pops up, why?

When the LLL's sold out, there was this very same moment where people said, "so what happens now", and this uncertainty will pass. If you could hold onto everything you own for 10 years, you would have an incredible return on your domains; the internet audience is growing, domains available is shrinking.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968

Very same thing happened with LLL's, buying LLLL's was a smart move for anyone who moved fast enough; even at the end.

[dannbkk]

Nice Thread, I have bookmarked this!

[italiandragon]

It`s starting to get hard updating the guide in the first thread as I`m thinking that it would be also useful to leave sometimes a trace of how "things were at that specific time".

So , while I figure out what to do, I`ll add new things here one after the other one like in normal discussions.

So now, a little update of the past week.

The complete sellout of the 456K LLLL.com was achieved on November 2 and immediately on Ebay and on TDNAM we have seen a spike in the prices. Also , on TDNAM , the list of available LLLL.com is shrinking hour after hour , especially at the lowest prices, for example I no longer see names at just $5 or $10 under the "BUY IT NOW" option.


Let`s have a look at the significant Ebay sales of the past few days:


PZUT.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


ZIOY.com $31

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968
BBYF.com $68.56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


FEXG.com $127.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


NPUO.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


VGAD.com $78.77

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


FZZL.com $78

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


NAMES WITH Q:


NWPQ.com $29.91

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


JOQT.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968


3 VOWELS :


OAUB.com $66

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


IOEJ.com $51

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


OAUW.com $41.03

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1


OAUV.com $28

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

[Malaysia]

LOL
i also bid one of them but lost.. Very nice sales..

Originally Posted by italiandragon

It`s starting to get hard updating the guide in the first thread as I`m thinking that it would be also useful to leave sometimes a trace of how "things were at that specific time". So , while I figure out what to do, I`ll add new things here one after the other one like in normal discussions. So now, a little update of the past week. The complete sellout of the 456K LLLL.com was achieved on November 2 and immediately on Ebay and on TDNAM we have seen a spike in the prices. Also , on TDNAM , the list of available LLLL.com is shrinking hour after hour , especially at the lowest prices, for example I no longer see names at just $5 or $10 under the "BUY IT NOW" option. Let`s have a look at the significant Ebay sales of the past few days: PZUT.com $42 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 ZIOY.com $31 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 BBYF.com $68.56 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 FEXG.com $127.50 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 NPUO.com $52 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 VGAD.com $78.77 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 FZZL.com $78 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 NAMES WITH Q: NWPQ.com $29.91 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 JOQT.com $26 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 3 VOWELS : OAUB.com $66 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 IOEJ.com $51 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 OAUW.com $41.03 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 OAUV.com $28 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

[bricio]

some sales @ snapnames:

LXXT.com -> $96
BBPJH.com -> $94
NNHY.com -> $79
SNNN.com -> $525
NRSH.com -> $191
CAQY.com -> $124
DYHH.com -> $59

sorry if it was posted here before, but i think some are new sales

EDITED: BBPJ.com -> $94

[DNK.it]

Originally Posted by bricio

some sales @ snapnames: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378968 BBPJH.com -> $94 sorry if it was posted here before, but i think some are new sales

is bpjh.com ? because bbpjh is 5L