Thank You. Thank you....

SimpleDomaining · 09-12-2007, 07:49 AM

if he will send a lawyer, that person will know, that he is dealing with expencive domain, which is worth to fight for. so in one hand it may scare, but on another hand it can make a problem even worst.
there is nothing can be done. that person always can say that you made a gift to him, you changed your mind, and now whant it back.
Again, instead of spending money on lawyers i would nicely offer him let say $50 buck to give domain back.

ashaw · 09-12-2007, 08:23 AM

Let the bastard know that if he doesnt do whats right in this situation, that you will be showing up at his front door with a few friends. If you give it the OK SylviaC, since its your situation, I will have a few people contact him.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-newbies/372823-i-have-been-make-huge-mistake.html

let him know that you are in contact with ICANN regarding stolen property, and possible fake whois information. Let him know you are well informed about this business... Dont cry to him, or whine... it shows weakness. Send him 2 emails a day and progressively increase the pressure on him. Forming a legal dispute against you for harassment is going to be the least of his worries.

But seriously dude... dont be afraid to get angry in your emails and conversations... you really have to let him know you are serious!

SimpleDomaining · 09-12-2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by ashaw

Let the bastard know that if he doesnt do whats right in this situation, that you will be showing up at his front door with a few friends. If you give it the OK SylviaC, since its your situation, I will have a few people contact him.

let him know that you are in contact with ICANN regarding stolen property, and possible fake whois information. Let him know you are well informed about this business... Dont cry to him, or whine... it shows weakness. Send him 2 emails a day and progressively increase the pressure on him. Forming a legal dispute against you for harassment is going to be the least of his worries.

But seriously dude... dont be afraid to get angry in your emails and conversations... you really have to let him know you are serious!

i hope that domains really worth it, because this post mean harrasing, which can hurt you way more than him.

vatsan · 09-12-2007, 09:13 AM

Ya! Dont hurt him an all. Be nice to him. Since he is into "Insurance websites", try fitting in some sentimental value to the domain name. Maybe a legacy or something

. I think contacting eNom will be a good idea. Take screenshots of your emails to him and let them know that is is unaware about it. If this were the jobless paypal idiots, they would put both of you on hold for "questioning" and "investigations" and eat up the money not letting both of you have it. If eNom can contact the second registrar for you and question him and if he really says he didnt do anything, I think its a good go.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823

Originally Posted by gugush

Again, instead of spending money on lawyers i would nicely offer him let say $50 buck to give domain back.

I totally agree with that. If you are so so into those domains, i think you can just fix up a bargain with him. This is when none of the other ways work for you. See that you dont end up bargaining with him. Fix something decent and see what hes got to say. You always pay a price for your mistakes but the good this is you learn a lotta things out of it.

Good luck! Keep the thread updated

DomainBELL · 09-12-2007, 09:14 AM

seems like any registrar could send a simple letter to the new registrant
telling them that it appears and error has occured... and give them so
many days to respond - or the names will be removed from their account...

in the letter - the registrar could ask for proof of payment ....

then the registrar can push them back to you...

I hope it all works out for you...

~DomainBELL (Patricia)

SylviaC · 09-12-2007, 09:37 AM

Just spoke with the enom support few hours ago. He ask to forwarded all the past email i have been sent to this guy and also send him all the incident ticket in filed in my enom account.

Forwarded everything to him already. Hope he can help.

**Michelle** · 09-12-2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by SylviaC

Just spoke with the enom support few hours ago. He ask to forwarded all the past email i have been sent to this guy and also send him all the incident ticket in filed in my enom account.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823

Forwarded everything to him already. Hope he can help.

good luck keep us informed

ama86 · 09-12-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by SylviaC

Just spoke with the enom support few hours ago. He ask to forwarded all the past email i have been sent to this guy and also send him all the incident ticket in filed in my enom account.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823

Forwarded everything to him already. Hope he can help.

good move, Good luck.

kanoodledood · 09-12-2007, 12:48 PM

This guy is so mean, did you call him? It sux

Domagon · 09-12-2007, 12:48 PM

In my view, eNom has some responsibility here to undo the push ...

eNom's push system does NOT display any account details to whom a domain is pushed to.

People were BulkRegister customers, which was acquired by eNom, know what I'm talking about - before you could do a push at BR, it would DISPLAY the person's information so you could double-check the push was correct before submitting it. Sadly, eNom took that functionality out, which leads to unfortunate situations like this one.

Ron

SylviaC · 09-12-2007, 07:55 PM

Yes. call him twice. Not sure whether he is blur or just pretend don't know anything. Keep saying :" Have no Idea. Very Busy, I don't understand what you are mentioned....... "

Originally Posted by kanoodledood

This guy is so mean, did you call him? It sux

briman1970 · 09-12-2007, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by SylviaC

Yes. call him twice. Not sure whether he is blur or just pretend don't know anything. Keep saying :" Have no Idea. Very Busy, I don't understand what you are mentioned....... "

What does "he is blur" mean? Do you mean he doesn't remember? Maybe you could let one of us who speak English as a native language help you compose your next email to him, or even call him for you. He may be trying to use your English language "handicap" to his advantage (which is downright shameful IMO).

SylviaC · 09-12-2007, 11:29 PM

maybe you are right. Do you wiling to help?

Originally Posted by briman1970

What does "he is blur" mean? Do you mean he doesn't remember? Maybe you could let one of us who speak English as a native language help you compose your next email to him, or even call him for you. He may be trying to use your English language "handicap" to his advantage (which is downright shameful IMO).

briman1970 · 09-12-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by SylviaC

maybe you are right. Do you wiling to help?

I will help you edit your next email message, but I think you need someone with a little more "personality" to make the phone call for you... maybe NP member Labrocca?

SylviaC · 09-13-2007, 12:20 AM

Thank you in advance for your help. Really appreciate...

DomainBELL · 09-13-2007, 07:44 AM

Good Luck with everything...

Keep us posted how things turn out...

~DomainBELL (Patricia)

VirtualT · 09-13-2007, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by SylviaC

If I'm not mistaken, he said : " I didn't received any email regarding that, I am very busy and everyday I will received a lot of junk mail. I cannot care it. What are you mentioned about domain, I'm not understand what are you speak about. I am no more using Enom, currently I am using Godaddy."
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823

He is lie....and he own an insurance company in Lafayette.....

So let me get this straight, you push some domains to some guys account, then accuse him of stealing your domains when he denies knowing anything about it.

The way I see it, the whois would have changed automatically, and from what you have said about your correspondence thus far, it seems that he doesnt speak good english, doesnt use his enom account any more, and may not even realise what has happened if hes not an experienced domainer.

*namenut* · 09-13-2007, 11:22 AM

You mention he owns an insurance company. This most likely means he belongs to a governing body of his business. Industries such as insurance, security, banking, legal etc. require it's members to maintain a certain ethical practice in both private and business affairs.

Report this, with all facts in tact and in an amicable light for both parties, to his licensing board for ethics review. They may have the leverage to motivate this person to act in a more ethical manor.

The new owner has already taken a position. That he is unaware of the transaction. It should be easy for the facts to reveal if he in fact has no knowledge or has acted unbecoming his organizations standards. (lied)

If you present this in a way that will preserve the option for the new owner to bow out gracefully he just might. Assume he is unaware and treat it as if you are trying to bring it to his attention.

Maybe adding the teasing fact that in today's cyber security(less) world, of identity theft, some one may be trying to gain access to his (new owner) business or using his identity for surreptitious purposes. And that the issue should be looked into to protect all parties. By showing his (new owner) comments in his email that he is unaware of the transaction may work against him.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823

One more thing ..... please take up the offer to have someone assist you with the email. He has a foot to stand on in that he may not understand you. Or that you are not presenting him with a viable option. I mean who are you to him? How would he know you are the previous owner? I've had people try to scam me out of a name by telling me, "It accidently dropped" or "The registrar made a mistake". In one sad case a gentleman told me "I was serving in Iraq" and couldn't renew it. In those cases I made contact with the previous owners and found they had not contacted me in regards and the inquiries were just scam attempts.

namenut

SylviaC · 09-19-2007, 11:00 AM

FINALLY we managed to get back the names.

Thank you for everyone being helping me in sorting out my problem.
Especially thank you to the Name Pros's team for being setting up this good site for me to communicate my problem to the Domain Expert.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823

Last 2 days, I sent another email to enom's support, explained to them that I cannot manage to communicate with the new domain owner and ask for their help by contacting him directly.

I just received the reply this morning, said that they can make an exception for me as I cannot contact the account owner.

When I checked our enom account few minutes ago, the 4 domain names was back.

SimpleDomaining · 09-19-2007, 01:08 PM

wow thats unusual! Congradulations!!!!

namebug · 09-19-2007, 01:38 PM

Just curious, did enom get them for you, or did the insurance guy push them back ?

Domagon · 09-19-2007, 05:14 PM

eNom likely reversed the pushes.

And as eNom should, since eNom's push system has no verification mechanism - that is to say, one can all too easily accidently push domains to the wrong account at eNom - it likely happens a lot more than people realize.

Ron

SimpleDomaining · 09-19-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Domagon

eNom likely reversed the pushes.

And as eNom should, since eNom's push system has no verification mechanism - that is to say, one can all too easily accidently push domains to the wrong account at eNom - it likely happens a lot more than people realize.

Ron

but the fact that they did push back can also mean that anyone can claim "accidental push by mistake", sell domain get money and than get domain back as well. I am not talking about this certain case in the topic, but that they did push back is making me worry buying domains registered with enom.

Domagon · 09-19-2007, 05:40 PM

That's why one should do transactions via trackable escrow (ie. escrow.com) and/or have written dually signed contract; proof of purchase / sale.

eNom and other registrars typically don't undo pushes / transfers, but will do so, if it appears to be a mistake, as it was in this instance.

On a related note, in the fine print of most registrar agreements, it states that one is to have some documentation (ie. agreements, contracts, etc) on file for any registrant name (ownership) changes to forestall challenges by other parties.

Ron

Cyberian · 09-19-2007, 07:18 PM

We are all glad this has been resolved to the OP's satisfaction!
Kudos to all that reached out to give this member a hand, the spirit of NP lives on in you guys. Well done!

Peace,
Cy

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DomainBELL DNOA Founding Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ohio - USA Posts: 1,298	seems like any registrar could send a simple letter to the new registrant telling them that it appears and error has occured... and give them so many days to respond - or the names will be removed from their account... in the letter - the registrar could ask for proof of payment .... then the registrar can push them back to you... I hope it all works out for you... ~DomainBELL (Patricia) __________________ VeryFastCash.com ------ For Sale Offers Considered.. What's NEW with me... My Whats New Section - BLOG DomainBELL.com/WhatsNew/ -- Twitter: DomainBELL

09-12-2007, 12:48 PM	#35 (permalink)
Domagon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wyomissing, PA, USA Posts: 1,223	In my view, eNom has some responsibility here to undo the push ... eNom's push system does NOT display any account details to whom a domain is pushed to. People were BulkRegister customers, which was acquired by eNom, know what I'm talking about - before you could do a push at BR, it would DISPLAY the person's information so you could double-check the push was correct before submitting it. Sadly, eNom took that functionality out, which leads to unfortunate situations like this one. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

09-13-2007, 07:44 AM	#41 (permalink)
DomainBELL DNOA Founding Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ohio - USA Posts: 1,298	Good Luck with everything... Keep us posted how things turn out... ~DomainBELL (Patricia) __________________ VeryFastCash.com ------ For Sale Offers Considered.. What's NEW with me... My Whats New Section - BLOG DomainBELL.com/WhatsNew/ -- Twitter: DomainBELL

09-12-2007, 09:37 AM	THREAD STARTER #31 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	Just spoke with the enom support few hours ago. He ask to forwarded all the past email i have been sent to this guy and also send him all the incident ticket in filed in my enom account. Forwarded everything to him already. Hope he can help.

09-12-2007, 12:48 PM	#34 (permalink)
kanoodledood NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 206	This guy is so mean, did you call him? It sux

09-13-2007, 12:20 AM	THREAD STARTER #40 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	Thank you in advance for your help. Really appreciate...

09-13-2007, 11:22 AM	#43 (permalink)
namenut NamePros Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 3,436 Follow @namenut	You mention he owns an insurance company. This most likely means he belongs to a governing body of his business. Industries such as insurance, security, banking, legal etc. require it's members to maintain a certain ethical practice in both private and business affairs. Report this, with all facts in tact and in an amicable light for both parties, to his licensing board for ethics review. They may have the leverage to motivate this person to act in a more ethical manor. The new owner has already taken a position. That he is unaware of the transaction. It should be easy for the facts to reveal if he in fact has no knowledge or has acted unbecoming his organizations standards. (lied) If you present this in a way that will preserve the option for the new owner to bow out gracefully he just might. Assume he is unaware and treat it as if you are trying to bring it to his attention. Maybe adding the teasing fact that in today's cyber security(less) world, of identity theft, some one may be trying to gain access to his (new owner) business or using his identity for surreptitious purposes. And that the issue should be looked into to protect all parties. By showing his (new owner) comments in his email that he is unaware of the transaction may work against him. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823 One more thing ..... please take up the offer to have someone assist you with the email. He has a foot to stand on in that he may not understand you. Or that you are not presenting him with a viable option. I mean who are you to him? How would he know you are the previous owner? I've had people try to scam me out of a name by telling me, "It accidently dropped" or "The registrar made a mistake". In one sad case a gentleman told me "I was serving in Iraq" and couldn't renew it. In those cases I made contact with the previous owners and found they had not contacted me in regards and the inquiries were just scam attempts. namenut __________________ GrowRoomz ~ RXkush ~ WTBnames ~ WTSnames ~ PortPholeo I try to keep my mouth shut ... but sometimes I type out loud. Aleixa - Bevus - Eliite - Grafrica - iViDD - Koilz - Muule - Ujene

09-19-2007, 11:00 AM	THREAD STARTER #44 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	Thank You. Thank you.... FINALLY we managed to get back the names. Thank you for everyone being helping me in sorting out my problem. Especially thank you to the Name Pros's team for being setting up this good site for me to communicate my problem to the Domain Expert. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=372823 Last 2 days, I sent another email to enom's support, explained to them that I cannot manage to communicate with the new domain owner and ask for their help by contacting him directly. I just received the reply this morning, said that they can make an exception for me as I cannot contact the account owner. When I checked our enom account few minutes ago, the 4 domain names was back.

09-19-2007, 01:08 PM	#45 (permalink)
SimpleDomaining Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,639 Follow @simpledomaining	wow thats unusual! Congradulations!!!! __________________ naturalskincareproducts.com

09-19-2007, 01:38 PM	#46 (permalink)
namebug NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 358	Just curious, did enom get them for you, or did the insurance guy push them back ?

09-19-2007, 05:14 PM	#47 (permalink)
Domagon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wyomissing, PA, USA Posts: 1,223	eNom likely reversed the pushes. And as eNom should, since eNom's push system has no verification mechanism - that is to say, one can all too easily accidently push domains to the wrong account at eNom - it likely happens a lot more than people realize. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

09-19-2007, 05:40 PM	#49 (permalink)
Domagon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wyomissing, PA, USA Posts: 1,223	That's why one should do transactions via trackable escrow (ie. escrow.com) and/or have written dually signed contract; proof of purchase / sale. eNom and other registrars typically don't undo pushes / transfers, but will do so, if it appears to be a mistake, as it was in this instance. On a related note, in the fine print of most registrar agreements, it states that one is to have some documentation (ie. agreements, contracts, etc) on file for any registrant name (ownership) changes to forestall challenges by other parties. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

09-19-2007, 07:18 PM	#50 (permalink)
Cyberian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Emerald Triangle Posts: 4,558	We are all glad this has been resolved to the OP's satisfaction! Kudos to all that reached out to give this member a hand, the spirit of NP lives on in you guys. Well done! Peace, Cy __________________ Remember who your loyalties are divided between, and choose for the right reasons who deserves them.

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