Buyers market - Page 2

snoop · 08-15-2007, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by PVFARKAS

Its irrelevant. His names are not up for sale and the thread is about getting more for your names.

I'd say it is completely relevant to this thread. The thread is quite clearly about the .mobi names he is picking from others.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/361790-buyers-market.html

Here is a recap of the first post in this thread,

Quote:

I had a string of names I obtained the past few weeks that I could not believe were sold at the price I got them. I kept waiting for the seller to back out or not transfer, but they all came through. I'm not going into to details, but 3 of these names were bought for under $5.00 (2 of the 3 for under $2.00)....and the crazy thing is, they were all 2 year regs, regged in Oct, Nov, and Dec of 06, leaving me more than a year left. The most I paid was a whopping $6.00 for one of these.

And these names are not "crazy regs". One of the under $2.00 ones I ran through estibot and got a $1,500 appraisal! And I'll be developing it as technology allows.

scandiman · 08-15-2007, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

If you care to reread this thread you will see it is Briman who first claimed this name was a good name. I have simply responded that I see little value in the domain.

The developed site is EXTREMELY VALUABLE to a victim of date rape. No doubt in my mind that is how Mark measures his success with this domain. Are you so into domain auctions that you can't see a bigger picture in this world?

And since your so into rereading threads, please show me where the OP asked for appraisals on the developed sites in his sig?

snoop · 08-15-2007, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by scandiman

The developed site is EXTREMELY VALUABLE to a victim of date rape. No doubt in my mind that is how Mark measures his success with this domain. Are you so into domain auctions that you can't see a bigger picture in this world?

I think we are off on tangent here.

scandiman · 08-15-2007, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I think we are off on tangent here.

ROFLMAO!! You're killing me here. That's the pot calling the kettle black. LOL!

PVFARKAS · 08-15-2007, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I'd say it is completely relevant to this thread. The thread is quite clearly about the .mobi names he is picking from others.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790

Here is a recap of the first post in this thread,

your recap is about his description of the names he recently picked up. those names weren't mentioned. YOU decided to doomsday mobi and then YOU decided to doomsday Work's sig names. now c'mon, get it together..if the names are in his sig, obviously he likes them for something and you had bad manners. that is the scope that i would like to concentrate on. if you would like to then return to the thread topic, i'd be happy to resume that as well.

by the way if Work saves a victim, prevents an occurrence or gets an endorsement, how is it not a valuable site. what if some of us want to give back. i am dev. soupkitchen, some green and eco friendly names and will be in contact with charities with some ideas i have to help the people around me and hopefully market mobi in the process - everybody wins. pm me if you want to help with any of these projects...

snoop · 08-15-2007, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by PVFARKAS

by the way if Work saves a victim, prevents an occurrence or gets an endorsement, how is it not a valuable site. what if some of us want to give back. i am dev. soupkitchen, some green and eco friendly names and will be in contact with charities with some ideas i have to help the people around me and hopefully market mobi in the process - everybody wins. pm me if you want to help with any of these projects...

I'm certainly not arguing this couldn't be a useful site. Briman suggested this was a good domain, I disagree with that.

scandiman · 08-15-2007, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I'm certainly not arguing this couldn't be a useful site. Briman suggested this was a good domain, I disagree with that.

Are you hearing yourself? It's the perfect name for a mobile website offering support to date rape victims. He's built it accordingly yet you think it is a bad domain? Whatever. Getting back to the original topic, if Mark is grabbing names like daterape.mobi for 2 bucks with over a year left in registration, he's doing a great job as a buyer, especially considering his original comments that his regs are intended for development.

-REECE- · 08-15-2007, 06:48 AM

Even if .mobi were to totally bomb, the names are still of immense value to someone like me who wants to develop names and needs good names to achieve good SEO results.

To put things in perspective... I've spent about 10k usd on my health collection of names... This includes about 300 names, many of which were aftermarket purchases.

In comparison, I was quoted at 4k usd for Lycopene.info alone.

Seeing as I intend on developing them, I really couldn't give a damn if my name was Lycopene.mobi or Lycopene.info, and IMO, anything under 4k (for what I'm using it for) is a better deal than the .info. Maybe it doesn't work that way if you're planning to resell the name... But when I know I can get $1+ PPC on keywords like resveratrol and lycopene, and I have sufficient knowledge and resources to eventually construct sites on them which provide meaningful content, explain to me why a .mobi name of such relevance would not be of immense value to an enduser like me?

If you type-in "quercetin alzheimer's" (with or without the parentheses) in Google, I rank first for ~99k results. That gets me a good 1 unique per day. For the keywords "quercetin sources" (no parentheses), I rank 6th out of 523k results, ahead of huge sites like about.com (13th). The site isn't even finished yet (actually, it hasn't been updated in several weeks). That's what a little SEO, combined with a good domain name, and properly named pages can do. My site already gets at least 20 uniques daily... And that's for a site that has 3 actual pages of content. That's 7k uniques on a year... Reckon it'll pay for it's reg fee once I choose to serve ads on it

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790

If Google continues to rank .mobis like this, I'll continue to buy out health names. The future may be unsure for domainers with no interest developing their .mobis. The future is not unsure for those who develop them.

Work In Progress · 08-15-2007, 08:34 AM

Wow...I went to bed too early last night!

Thanks for all of the assists from everyone on the "attack" last night against my sig. names

Talk about getting off topic..I have NO idea how my sig names got brought up, BUT.....

One thing I didn't see mentioned I wanted to point out on pizzaz. IF Snoop cared to make a comment on the worthlessness of such a name, he might want to google pizza search (which happens to be a pretty highly searched for term...and just MIGHT be relevant to the mobile industry). Low and behold, out of over 68 million results, pizzaz.MOBI sits on page 1, #7 down. Now, to ME, for a site that's just been live for less than 1/2 a year, that's doing pretty good. But then again, I'm just another one of those stoopid mobi lovers

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790

On my date rape site, Scandi pretty much nailed it on the head. Although there might be some perv's who blindly go to this site looking for tips on how to molest a girl, they'll be a little disappointed. This site was put together to help victims of this very real and very prevalent crime that goes unreported far too often. If this site can help just one girl and change her life for the better, it will be worth more than any monetary reward that the "name" might carry.

As for OnFly....well, it's still my most visited, popular site, bringing in more revenue than the others. It's just a basic, simple to use search that people seem to like. I even had my first OnFly shirt ordered the other day (other than myself or someone I know). Worthless and a bad reg?. Maybe to some, but not to me! And did I mention....ALL of these worthless sites are in Mtld's showcase?

Getting BACK to topic, my entire intent was to bring to light what some don't seem to grasp. You can get very good (if not potentially great) after market names that were regged in October, November, Dec last year for LESS than today's 1 year reg fee of very questionable quality. This is fact. I have done it multiple times and others can too if you're patient.

Again, thanks for all of the input while I was

garrett200 · 08-15-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Reece

If Google continues to rank .mobis like this, I'll continue to buy out health names.

Google is even ranking my parked domains because of the keywords involved. I"m getting traffic from that, imagine when they are developed and a little SEO done.

jacpar · 08-15-2007, 02:07 PM

Garrett,
I will then park my ADMISSION.MOBI
Please, give me good keywords and tell me where are you parking your domains.

garrett200 · 08-15-2007, 04:20 PM

Parking at Sedo. I don't know what keywords to suggest for admission. Perhaps "admission"????!!!

briman1970 · 08-15-2007, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

If you care to reread this thread you will see it is Briman who first claimed this name was a good name. I have simply responded that I see little value in the domain.

If you care to reread my post, I said it "is a good one for a victim's hotline/counseling site". I did not say it was a good domain for sale on the aftermarket, which I'm assuming is what you're thinking when you say you see little value in the domain.

-The domain name is perfect for a mobile daterape info/counseling site.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790
-The domain was bought for development.
-The domain has been well developed as a mobile daterape info/counseling site.
-The domain/site is a free public service which will get visitors, if it doesn't already.
-The buyer took it off the market, which prevented some asshat from developing a date-rape diy guide.
-The domain is a success IMHO.

I think you've missed the point of this thread.

estibot.com · 08-16-2007, 04:51 PM

I'm not a big believer in the .mobi extension, quite pessimistic in fact, but wanted to root for Work In Progress for doing such wonderful development job. Pizzaz and Onfly really are nice mobi sites. He definitely sets an example and if .mobi fails, then it is certainly not his fault, and if .mobi blossoms, it will be in big part thanks to people like him doing the grassroots development work.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790

However, I still have reservations even about WIP's sites. I see GPS/Google Maps type of apps for handhelds and cell phones on the way, and those will enable real-time pizza hut finding made very easy without going to a website at all. In my view, mobile users don't want to browse long lists of pizza restaurants but want more precision. Not everyone will have a GPS cell phone, so there is still a possibility that with some refinement, such services as pizzaz.mobi may yet prove popular.

As for the OP's original topic, I think a buyer's market in this case reflects widespread uncertainty about the future of .mobi. Pinky Brand's performance was not very convincing in the Roundtable conference. Nevertheless, falling prices always present good buying opportunities for investors and who knows, maybe .mobi will pull through after all.

As for EstiBot and .mobi, it's one of those high volatility markets at the moment. No such statistical rules have emerged from previous sales that would enable a solid algorithm for .mobi names. The dollar valuation may be off in many cases, but you'll still be able to get a relative idea of potential value, and the keyword data is the same.

Good luck!

scandiman · 08-16-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Josh_1

I'm not a big believer in the .mobi extension, quite pessimistic in fact, but wanted to root for Work In Progress for doing such wonderful development job. Pizzaz and Onfly really are nice mobi sites. He definitely sets an example and if .mobi fails, then it is certainly not his fault, and if .mobi blossoms, it will be in big part thanks to people like him doing the grassroots development work.

However, I still have reservations even about WIP's sites. I see GPS/Google Maps type of apps for handhelds and cell phones on the way, and those will enable real-time pizza hut finding made very easy without going to a website at all. In my view, mobile users don't want to browse long lists of pizza restaurants but want more precision. Not everyone will have a GPS cell phone, so there is still a possibility that with some refinement, such services as pizzaz.mobi may yet prove popular.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790

As for the OP's original topic, I think a buyer's market in this case reflects widespread uncertainty about the future of .mobi. Pinky Brand's performance was not very convincing in the Roundtable conference. Nevertheless, falling prices always present good buying opportunities for investors and who knows, maybe .mobi will pull through after all.

As for EstiBot and .mobi, it's one of those high volatility markets at the moment. No such statistical rules have emerged from previous sales that would enable a solid algorithm for .mobi names. The dollar valuation may be off in many cases, but you'll still be able to get a relative idea of potential value, and the keyword data is the same.

Good luck!

This has got to be one of the most civil and respectful mobi skeptic posts I have seen.

coast · 08-17-2007, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

If I did own any I would have well and truly sold by now, not sure why anyone would sell for "pennies on the dollar".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790

My point is these names have fallen greatly in value, lower prices doesn't equate to "value" in this case, in the last 9 months this ext has gone form an extension where there was a good chance of large internet co's using it to one where their is virtually no chance. It is a fundamantal change, don't buy names just because prices appear cheap in relation to the past.

Snoop, you're right, cheap doesn't necessarily equate to good value.

Even so, I would encourage you and others reading this thread to do a bit more research into the nature of .mobi to keep it's future in context before concluding that there is no future.

Here's my take on the .mobi buyers market:

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790
When you look at namebio.com and see a few spiked .mobi sales from T.R.A.F.F.I.C. and a lot of x or xx sales on Afternic bazaar, you see a chasm between the people who are projecting .mobi's value into the future as it gains momentum in Europe and within a dedicated .mobi domainer base vs. the speculators who believed months and months of .mobi bashing and dumped their names.

Many speculators bailed when they saw they wouldn't have a quick flip on their investment. Those of us who continue to see a vision of what is being built see this as the beginning of a long-range process and are focused on development rather than a quick return on investment.

As for companies being uninterested, it would help to keep in mind that premium .mobi domain names are just now beginning to be released very slowly, such as weather.mobi. The one company that advertises their .mobi with any regularity is the Bank of America, bofa.mobi, which is attempting to reach a new generation of internet users via youtube, which makes sense because the old business models don't necessarily work for younger people.

Yikes, did I just "younger people" just now? Yeah, I guess I did. And that's the rub: the same people who are using mosquito ringtones that their teachers can't hear are the same ones texting like crazy and expecting their mobile phones to bring them the world. (Same goes for "more established" -- no, I won't say older... well maybe -- iPhone and Blackberry users, too.) It's only a matter of time before overworked moms start ordering dinner from Pizzaz.mobi (which is what that site does, by the way), and others follow suit.

On some of the developer forums, it's interesting to see how many of the .com developers with mad flash and javascript skills diss mobile content. If you follow the threads over time, you can see the surprise as they learn how much of their traffic is coming from mobile devices, especially phones. Then the panic sets in - "what am I going to do? How are we going to make our sites fit on a cell phone screen?"

WAP on a .com doesn't always work. That's why .mobi's are popular with the people who know which sites to surf.

This leads back to your original point, I would have to agree that newcomers to domaining and newcomers to .mobi especially should do their homework and decide if they are in this for the short term or the long haul. Also, there is no parking company to speak of that redirects links to mobile content. So the deal is this: buy and hold, or better yet buy and develop. If it's the short term, it might be best to sit out. Then again, the "good" names might be gone, or they might still be available. My magic 8 ball broke when I was a kid so I'm not going to guess either way.

In the meantime, I know I can get the full information I need from a developed .mobi site on my phone.

Well it's been awhile since I went on a rant so there you go.

08-15-2007, 08:34 AM	THREAD STARTER #34 (permalink)
Work In Progress Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sunnyvale Trailer Park Posts: 1,122	Wow...I went to bed too early last night! Thanks for all of the assists from everyone on the "attack" last night against my sig. names Talk about getting off topic..I have NO idea how my sig names got brought up, BUT..... One thing I didn't see mentioned I wanted to point out on pizzaz. IF Snoop cared to make a comment on the worthlessness of such a name, he might want to google pizza search (which happens to be a pretty highly searched for term...and just MIGHT be relevant to the mobile industry). Low and behold, out of over 68 million results, pizzaz.MOBI sits on page 1, #7 down. Now, to ME, for a site that's just been live for less than 1/2 a year, that's doing pretty good. But then again, I'm just another one of those stoopid mobi lovers ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790 On my date rape site, Scandi pretty much nailed it on the head. Although there might be some perv's who blindly go to this site looking for tips on how to molest a girl, they'll be a little disappointed. This site was put together to help victims of this very real and very prevalent crime that goes unreported far too often. If this site can help just one girl and change her life for the better, it will be worth more than any monetary reward that the "name" might carry. As for OnFly....well, it's still my most visited, popular site, bringing in more revenue than the others. It's just a basic, simple to use search that people seem to like. I even had my first OnFly shirt ordered the other day (other than myself or someone I know). Worthless and a bad reg?. Maybe to some, but not to me! And did I mention....ALL of these worthless sites are in Mtld's showcase? Getting BACK to topic, my entire intent was to bring to light what some don't seem to grasp. You can get very good (if not potentially great) after market names that were regged in October, November, Dec last year for LESS than today's 1 year reg fee of very questionable quality. This is fact. I have done it multiple times and others can too if you're patient. Again, thanks for all of the input while I was __________________ Our Mobile Sites \| Classic Commercials Was Sarah Palin a Bad Choice? \| Barack Obama Speeches Bid Now At TRAFFIC \|Why.mobi? Obama Mama \|Free Auto Insurance Quote \|Great Abs!

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08-16-2007, 04:51 PM	#39 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	I'm not a big believer in the .mobi extension, quite pessimistic in fact, but wanted to root for Work In Progress for doing such wonderful development job. Pizzaz and Onfly really are nice mobi sites. He definitely sets an example and if .mobi fails, then it is certainly not his fault, and if .mobi blossoms, it will be in big part thanks to people like him doing the grassroots development work. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790 However, I still have reservations even about WIP's sites. I see GPS/Google Maps type of apps for handhelds and cell phones on the way, and those will enable real-time pizza hut finding made very easy without going to a website at all. In my view, mobile users don't want to browse long lists of pizza restaurants but want more precision. Not everyone will have a GPS cell phone, so there is still a possibility that with some refinement, such services as pizzaz.mobi may yet prove popular. As for the OP's original topic, I think a buyer's market in this case reflects widespread uncertainty about the future of .mobi. Pinky Brand's performance was not very convincing in the Roundtable conference. Nevertheless, falling prices always present good buying opportunities for investors and who knows, maybe .mobi will pull through after all. As for EstiBot and .mobi, it's one of those high volatility markets at the moment. No such statistical rules have emerged from previous sales that would enable a solid algorithm for .mobi names. The dollar valuation may be off in many cases, but you'll still be able to get a relative idea of potential value, and the keyword data is the same. Good luck! __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

08-15-2007, 06:48 AM	#33 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	Even if .mobi were to totally bomb, the names are still of immense value to someone like me who wants to develop names and needs good names to achieve good SEO results. To put things in perspective... I've spent about 10k usd on my health collection of names... This includes about 300 names, many of which were aftermarket purchases. In comparison, I was quoted at 4k usd for Lycopene.info alone. Seeing as I intend on developing them, I really couldn't give a damn if my name was Lycopene.mobi or Lycopene.info, and IMO, anything under 4k (for what I'm using it for) is a better deal than the .info. Maybe it doesn't work that way if you're planning to resell the name... But when I know I can get $1+ PPC on keywords like resveratrol and lycopene, and I have sufficient knowledge and resources to eventually construct sites on them which provide meaningful content, explain to me why a .mobi name of such relevance would not be of immense value to an enduser like me? If you type-in "quercetin alzheimer's" (with or without the parentheses) in Google, I rank first for ~99k results. That gets me a good 1 unique per day. For the keywords "quercetin sources" (no parentheses), I rank 6th out of 523k results, ahead of huge sites like about.com (13th). The site isn't even finished yet (actually, it hasn't been updated in several weeks). That's what a little SEO, combined with a good domain name, and properly named pages can do. My site already gets at least 20 uniques daily... And that's for a site that has 3 actual pages of content. That's 7k uniques on a year... Reckon it'll pay for it's reg fee once I choose to serve ads on it ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=361790 If Google continues to rank .mobis like this, I'll continue to buy out health names. The future may be unsure for domainers with no interest developing their .mobis. The future is not unsure for those who develop them.

08-15-2007, 02:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
jacpar NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Univers-city Posts: 561	Garrett, I will then park my ADMISSION.MOBI Please, give me good keywords and tell me where are you parking your domains.

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