[-REECE-]

Originally Posted by snoop

Reece, reg fee erosion for the month is 75 cents. It doesn't mean anything to say the minimum is has gone up $1, that isn't impressive. Even still it seems you are being debated above even on the point that nominal prices have improved. This isn't like stocks, you don't have to pay a fee to hold onto your microsoft stock. How many other investments can you think of where people would rationally 4 pay times what the "asset" was even worth just to hold it for a year? LLLL.com aren't a bad investment because they have fallen in the past, they are a bad investment because holding costs are far too high given the current market. Low level LLLL.com's need to rise 5 times in the next year just for people to break even. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-discussion-thread.html I truly feel for the people who keep throwing money at the reg fees on these names hoping things will change, do yourself and your family a favor is my advice to those people. Stop lisening to the pollyannas and think about what is really in your best financial interests.

Yes, they should listen to the all-knowing Snoop who predicts everything right.

Everything but one thing I guess: 2008 Domain Trends at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid

If I recall correctly, you have been "for a long time telling people that LLL.coms were overpriced" -- not so long it turns out.

Dwelling on the past is silly -- I don't think less of you as a domainer because you made a horribly wrong prediction. Hell, I've made some of my own. All that matters is the present.

[betthelot]

Originally Posted by -REECE-

Yes, they should listen to the all-knowing Snoop who predicts everything right. Everything but one thing I guess: 2008 Domain Trends at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid If I recall correctly, you have been "for a long time telling people that LLL.coms were overpriced" -- not so long it turns out. Dwelling on the past is silly -- I don't think less of you as a domainer because you made a horribly wrong prediction. Hell, I've made some of my own. All that matters is the present.

Its simple with snoopy he calls it as it is happening. When they are going up as LLL.coms end of 2007 he predicts they will keep going up and when the LLLL.coms and LLL.coms start to go down he predicts they will keep going down. So what happens when LLL.coms appear to have hit a bottom at $3,000 3 weeks ago? what is his prediction? simple he doesn't know and is non committal; he is waiting to see which way they move.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

Originally Posted by snoop

Yeah, they certainly look to have bounced a bit since last month, I guess the question is whether this is just a blip or the start of a true recovery. I kind of think these names are still not well priced though I really have no idea which way it is likely to go.

This is not all knowing all seeing, it someone who cant see no further than today and waits for hindsight to spout wisdom. What use is that to anyone who wants to be ahead of the curve.

[-REECE-]

Yep, well said Graham

I couldn't care less if LLL.coms were 10 million last year -- if they're $4000 now and I have reason to believe they'll be worth $5000 in a couple months, then it makes sense to buy now. The past shouldn't have any impact on that decision.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

Originally Posted by betthelot

Its simple with snoopy he calls it as it is happening. When they are going up as LLL.coms end of 2007 he predicts they will keep going up and when the LLLL.coms and LLL.coms start to go down he predicts they will keep going down. So what happens when LLL.coms appear to have hit a bottom at $3,000 3 weeks ago? what is he prediction? simple he doesn't know and is non committal he is waiting to see which way they move. This is not all knowing all seeing, it someone who cant see no further than today and waits for hindsight to spout wisdom. What use is that to anyone who wants to be ahead of the curve.

[Soofi]

its Saint Snoop at it, again!!!

[DNK.it]

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[mibworld]

I agree with you. Past performance of an investment is not necessarily a good indicator of future performance. If you think that an investment is going to be profitable in the future you should keep it (unless you have a better option). It doesn't matter if you have won or lost until that point, as that have no effect on future results. That's a basic financial concept but seems to be too difficult to digest for some people.

Of course, technical analysis will consider the past behavior to try to forecast the future, but, even so, a protracted downtrend usually increases the probability of a change of direction in the market. In the end, what's important is if you think that the price is going up or down in the future, not what happened in the past.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

Originally Posted by -REECE-

Yep, well said Graham I couldn't care less if LLL.coms were 10 million last year -- if they're $4000 now and I have reason to believe they'll be worth $5000 in a couple months, then it makes sense to buy now. The past shouldn't have any impact on that decision.

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[tetrapak]

Aqqo $79 (re-run, this time bargain, last time overpriced..)
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[Semtex]

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[Nem0]

All LLLL.com sales (eBay) the past few days:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

22nd

UWXA $9.99
VOFK $15.50
PHYJ $10.50
GKIU $26.00
CQVD $7.18
FBUW $10.80
QYUM $35.00
QVVK $7.49
UJWE $9.99
QNBX $6.38
SXUV $6.24

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QELH $9.78
QEQN $9.57
RPUW $13.00
FWTU $10.50
HPZY $12.59
UGLK $12.50
WGUW $12.50
NVGV $10.00
PXGN $5.5
IHXN $12.06
PVXE $3.25

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ZIWF $12.50
QOCZ $10.00
YECX $6.50
YIWF $5.50
YRZO $13.01
ZIJX $7.70
FKQE $6.50
HGQE $7.50
UDJZ $10.00
LWSU $36.50
LCXB $12.59
IQEJ $7.70
PHUH $17.50
XDOB $19.50
YGPJ $7.50
YRHK $9.48
WYKG $11.56

There were several small bulk package deals today but I've decided not to post those types anymore. It looked like they all averaged between $5-$9 per.




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[DNK.it]

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[RCK]

Originally Posted by DNK.it

abhh | Bidding History Winning Bid: 210 USD Reserve met! Winning Bidder: Bidder 4 SEDO

That's a steal...

[snoop]

Originally Posted by -REECE-

Yes, they should listen to the all-knowing Snoop who predicts everything right. Everything but one thing I guess: 2008 Domain Trends at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid If I recall correctly, you have been "for a long time telling people that LLL.coms were overpriced" -- not so long it turns out. Dwelling on the past is silly -- I don't think less of you as a domainer because you made a horribly wrong prediction. Hell, I've made some of my own. All that matters is the present.

At that point in time I didn't think a recession was probable, in that post you'll see I said at the end,

Quote:

Big potential wildcard a US reccession which could be a major drag on the market. (not sure how likely this is and just how much of an effect it could have on the domain market).

Some were predicting doom and I only half listened.

My view changed dramatically early Feb 2008 when the economy began to sour and the domain market started to fall. This was about the first time I have been negative overall on the industry in 6 years and I stopped buying domains.

With LLL.com in particular I got very negative on them mid 2008 because the domain market was already down about 30% yet LLL.com kept rising, it was illogical and driven by greed in my view. I had already began selling LLL.com's I think around April and it is an area that I had never sold a domain in previously, since first buying LLL.com's in 2002.

So in Dec 2007 (time of the post above) I had no intentions of selling any LLL.com's.....6 months later in mid 2008 I wanted to offload the lot. In that 6 months LLL.com prices had risen 20% at the low end but conditions had deteriorated significantly, the rest of the market was down 30% or so.

Here is what I said in May 2008 in a thread about how well these names were doing,

Quote:

I feel somewhat uneasy about these names and that it is time to gradually take profits. The lll.com values have unhooked from the rest of the market this year and I never heard of so much positivity about these names. People are sure they will never fall, despite falls in the rest of the market and are talking about "when they get to $10,000", "when they get to $100,000". They may not fall next month or even within 6 months but I think these names are basically selling at inflated prices at the moment, the only thing keeping the price rises going is sentiment.

http://www.namepros.com/short-domain...ow-do-you.html
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

At the time of the quote above I had begun selling and was concerned about that market.

In late June (one month later) we saw the "minimum broken" for the first time in 6 years. The minimum previously was around $7600 and then xkd.com got $7,100, hmq.com for $7,300 plus a couple similar sales more. At that point I stated on the forums that I thought the minimum would fall in half to $3000-$4000. In my view that initial 10% fall was like a giant neon sign “crash imminent”. Many people had got caught up in the idea that these names would never see falls and that concept had just been wiped away. I decided I needed to be out of that market very quickly and kept telling people I thought the LLL.com market was toast as I sold. The people who bought from me must have thought I was pretty strange to be selling something whilst in the next thread over telling people these names were absurdly overpriced.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

I still can't believe how it panned out, that people would drive a boom in LLL.com and LLLL.com while the rest of the market was collapsing. I had no real stake in LLLL.com so couldn't take advantage of the boom/collapse there. With LLL.com I still consider it an absolute gift, that the market would act in such an illogical manner and that I'd be able to exit at such good prices. The only one I didn't do well on was JJJ.com which I sold too slowly as I was overvaluing it.

In my view the LLL.com and LLLL.com boom's of early 2008 are two of the most bizarre things I have ever seen in domaining, I'd compare the irrationality to the .mobi boom and those buying loads of premium .tv's.

Now some people say "he really isn't smart….he is following trends that isn’t hard….he is only right because we had a domain slump & recession etc"....I agree with those people on all three points. In my view even someone who knows very little about domains should have been able to follow what was coming for LLL.com and LLLL.com. It doesn’t really need intelligence, it just requires level head to not get caught up in your own biased BS (and we are all full of that). The outcome that makes you the most money isn't necessarily what is going to happen, I think some people have a lot of trouble with that concept, they think they are always about to win.

[Tim Schoon]

blablabla.. all that matters is what the current prices are & what the future prices will be. Who said what in the past really doesn't help us here...

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[SDX]

Hi,

Looking for a LLLL.COM that contains "xxx".
...
Please PM me with price.

Thanks!
SDX

[DnDot.com]

Originally Posted by FantasyCombine

Today on TDNX: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387 pyig $30 renewals have been added

I like this domain, I would have probably paid a bit more for it.

I just sent LKid.com to Auction on Sedo, feel free to BID please.

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XNGV $6.51
VLXZ $3.25
IYLD $50.50
XETQ $3.25
ZZCF $32.51
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RWUM $36.00
LKPU $13.66
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[nicedomains]

Originally Posted by FusionSpy

Today on SN: HCPF .com $122

"Health Care Policy and Finance" - my girlfriend works in this State dept...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

Cheap!

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iodv $36
goyj $20
gles $1,266
fqpe $20
fguz $20
eodv $31
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[betthelot]

Originally Posted by snoop

at that point in time i didn't think a recession was probable, in that post you'll see i said at the end, some were predicting doom and i only half listened. My view changed dramatically early feb 2008 when the economy began to sour and the domain market started to fall. This was about the first time i have been negative overall on the industry in 6 years and i stopped buying domains. With lll.com in particular i got very negative on them mid 2008 because the domain market was already down about 30% yet lll.com kept rising, it was illogical and driven by greed in my view. I had already began selling lll.com's i think around april and it is an area that i had never sold a domain in previously, since first buying lll.com's in 2002. So in dec 2007 (time of the post above) i had no intentions of selling any lll.com's.....6 months later in mid 2008 i wanted to offload the lot. In that 6 months lll.com prices had risen 20% at the low end but conditions had deteriorated significantly, the rest of the market was down 30% or so. Here is what i said in may 2008 in a thread about how well these names were doing, http://www.namepros.com/short-domain...ow-do-you.html at the time of the quote above i had begun selling and was concerned about that market. In late june (one month later) we saw the "minimum broken" for the first time in 6 years. The minimum previously was around $7600 and then xkd.com got $7,100, hmq.com for $7,300 plus a couple similar sales more. At that point i stated on the forums that i thought the minimum would fall in half to $3000-$4000. In my view that initial 10% fall was like a giant neon sign “crash imminent”. Many people had got caught up in the idea that these names would never see falls and that concept had just been wiped away. I decided i needed to be out of that market very quickly and kept telling people i thought the lll.com market was toast as i sold. The people who bought from me must have thought i was pretty strange to be selling something whilst in the next thread over telling people these names were absurdly overpriced. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387 I still can't believe how it panned out, that people would drive a boom in lll.com and llll.com while the rest of the market was collapsing. I had no real stake in llll.com so couldn't take advantage of the boom/collapse there. With lll.com i still consider it an absolute gift, that the market would act in such an illogical manner and that i'd be able to exit at such good prices. The only one i didn't do well on was jjj.com which i sold too slowly as i was overvaluing it. In my view the lll.com and llll.com boom's of early 2008 are two of the most bizarre things i have ever seen in domaining, i'd compare the irrationality to the .mobi boom and those buying loads of premium .tv's. Now some people say "he really isn't smart….he is following trends that isn’t hard….he is only right because we had a domain slump & recession etc"....i agree with those people on all three points. In my view even someone who knows very little about domains should have been able to follow what was coming for lll.com and llll.com. It doesn’t really need intelligence, it just requires level head to not get caught up in your own biased bs (and we are all full of that). The outcome that makes you the most money isn't necessarily what is going to happen, i think some people have a lot of trouble with that concept, they think they are always about to win.

LOL That hit a nerve