[snoop]

Originally Posted by hecto

Well to be honest I dont really see how money is safe anywhere at the moment. I mean not even in the bank and that is always supposed to be safe. In your head you seem to have decided exactly what you will be doing with your domains....for you the LLLL.com has failed. But then again you would be selling at a profit because you have been around for so long, but I guess if people like you dont leave the market and sell then how are new investors going to get in and make a profit!? So all I can say to you is good luck with your sales.

Who said anything about safe? Nothing is safe, but some investments are falling off a cliff whilst others are not doing as badly.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-discussion-thread.html

Taking LLLL.com, prices are down 75-95% from the peak, not much has done worse than that aside from Lehman Bro stock. In a downturn speculative stuff gets hit far harder than anything else, to make it worse LLLL.com had a irrational bubble earlier this year which made things a lot worse than other speculative domains.

[DnDot.com]

Originally Posted by snoop

Who said anything about safe? Nothing is safe, but some investments are falling off a cliff whilst others are not doing as badly. Taking LLLL.com, prices are down 75-95% from the peak, not much has done worse than that aside from Lehman Bro stock. In a downturn speculative stuff gets hit far harder than anything else, to make it worse LLLL.com had a irrational bubble earlier this year which made things a lot worse than other speculative domains.

The word doesnt seem to be out there that LLLL.coms are falling off the cliff because people seem to be still buying! So dont say such things without any evidence.

Well ok lets just have a look at these domains that Nem0 posted:

YOMQ $19.50
HJMX $26.50
PXJD $13.39
CVZD $12.97
VBYT $21.48
PMWK $16.50


There is nothing special about them, they are all double premium and would have sold for no more than $25-$45 before 6 months. Lower quality domains drop faster in value than others and thats what has happened but thats also not to say that in 6-12 months the same domains could be selling for $60-$70.

I dont think you can compare Lehman Bro stock to LLLL.coms, two different worlds first of all. Second of all Lehman Bro stock has been established for many years while the LLLL.coms have become one year old since the buy out. Third you can still sell quad premiums for over $200 so it clearly isnt a dead market. Also as you know quad premium LLLL.coms have not dropped by 75%-90%, so please dont try and do what most of the media does and make the figures worse.

[snoop]

Originally Posted by hecto

The word doesnt seem to be out there that LLLL.coms are falling off the cliff because people seem to be still buying! So dont say such things without any evidence. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

It has been gone over many many times-the size of loss. Reece made a good post on it a week or two ago. Of course people are still buying-that is stating the obvious, if they weren't market would be down 100% instead of 75-95%.

[testingyou]

I don't want to be in the middle of this very "educating" discussion between snoop and you others, but have you LLLLhippies been in Snapnames lately? There are tons, and yes I mean tons, of LLLL's for sale for around $20.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

So those who like LLLL's so much go visit Snapnames and buy these (seen from your point of view) hot bargains.

I am not trying to bashing or anything, but one must be realistic and not lie... to your self atleast.

Good luck all.


EDITED:
As of the time of this edit there was 203 LLLL.com's for sale under $20.

[MicroGuy]

Originally Posted by snoop

I'm not really sure what you point is, you say I've been too negative but the LLLL.com market fell alot more than I thought it would. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387 Point 2) is just a guess, and we have heard it a dozen times. It is based on nothing other than the fact that people own alot of these names and they hope the market will rise. I'm been saying for awhile I think they will stagnate, which basically means more losses due to reg fees. The problem with it as I see it is not many people want to be holding speculative domains like this during a recession. People will be worried about their jobs, home loan etc, domains that have no revenue and very little enduser potential aren't likely to do well in that environment in my view, especially when the value is close to reg fee. The upkeep on these names is not cheap. The other problem is the massive oversupply of these names on the market and the very weak hands holding them.

This is the first post from NamePros that has made it to my printer and my office wall.

I started to highlight the best parts and soon realized the entire post was in bold. The principles in this message can be applied to many areas of investment practice. IMO.

Thanks for the wisdom!

Good luck to everyone in these very troubling times.

[abcproductions]

Originally Posted by hecto

PMWK $16.50 There is nothing special about them, ...

i picked up this one, looks like NIGHT JOBS to me.
i picked up a quad premium for $50 three days ago. i'll post it soon. i'm considering more transactions with the seller right now.

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

This is the first post from NamePros that has made it to my printer and my office wall. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387 I started to highlight the best parts and soon realized the entire post was in bold.

lol yeah that first sentence is a comment to behold and live life by. Sentence 2 is an obvious 'guess'. 3 is just plain wrong since there are thousands who DO want to hold these speculative domains through this recession. Next two sentences are another same ol' rehash and then another cowardly attack calling llll.com holders very weak. In fact nearly the whole post is obviously apparant and has been rehashed a few hundred times by him. You must be easily enlightened

Originally Posted by abcproductions

i picked up this one, looks like NIGHT JOBS to me. i picked up a quad premium for $50 three days ago. i'll post it soon. i'm considering more transactions with the seller right now.

Nice name Todd, I was just IMing a fellow domainer earlier and told him I thought this one went too low. What do you mean by night jobs though?


For some reason my CXCD has really taken off on eBay, up to $100 right now... looks like 2 bidders really want it. yay I sure don't expect it to go any higher that's why I don't really consider this a plug

[abcproductions]

Originally Posted by Nem0

Nice name Todd, I was just IMing a fellow domainer earlier and told him I thought this one went too low. What do you mean by night jobs though?

PM can mean afternoon or night time and WK as an abbreviation for work = pm work = night jobs. it will likely receive interest someday from someone with something completely different in mind but that is what i thought when i saw it.

Originally Posted by Nem0

For some reason my CXCD has really taken off on eBay, up to $100 right now... looks like 2 bidders really want it. yay I sure don't expect it to go any higher that's why I don't really consider this a plug

i've been watching cxcd and hope it goes higher. nice one.

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by abcproductions

PM can mean afternoon or night time and WK as an abbreviation for work = pm work = night jobs. it will likely receive interest someday from someone with something completely different in mind but that is what i thought when i saw it. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387 i've been watching cxcd and hope it goes higher. nice one.

Oh man I totally missed "PM" as being 'night' hehe... that makes sense now. You are right someone will probably buy in in the future for much different reasons but who knows; what really stood out for me for it (after it sold of course) was "Pari-Mutuel Wagering" (I guess because I own PMbet.com).... not sure how the K would work for that though.

Thanks for comment on CXCD, I was only expecting in the $25-$40 range so this is nice.

[Chef Patrick]

STIE.com $2,000
BOTB.com $460
BHHP.com $250

Sold at the DNF auction from earlier tonight.

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by Chef Patrick

STIE.com $2,000 BOTB.com $460 BHHP.com $250 Sold at the DNF auction from earlier tonight.

Ugh I forgot all about that auction. How did you do on them Patrick? I mean, profit-wise was it a good success for you?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

BOTB, Bottom of The Barrel, Battle of The Bulge hits me right away

[abcproductions]

Originally Posted by Nem0

Oh man I totally missed "PM" as being 'night' hehe... that makes sense now. You are right someone will probably buy in in the future for much different reasons but who knows; what really stood out for me for it (after it sold of course) was "Pari-Mutual Wagering" (I guess because I own PMbet.com).... not sure how the K would work for that though. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

i didn't think of that and i own dozens of gambling names - heavy with handicapping, horse racing and off-track betting names. thx.

[bmugford]

Snoop, open your eyes. All you talk about is the low end. Quality LLLL.com (Quad / CVCV / etc) are not down 75%-95%. So lets try to present an accurate picture for once.

Brad

Originally Posted by snoop

Who said anything about safe? Nothing is safe, but some investments are falling off a cliff whilst others are not doing as badly. Taking LLLL.com, prices are down 75-95% from the peak, not much has done worse than that aside from Lehman Bro stock. In a downturn speculative stuff gets hit far harder than anything else, to make it worse LLLL.com had a irrational bubble earlier this year which made things a lot worse than other speculative domains.

[testingyou]

One advice I got when I started in domain business was:

"If it's too hard to find out what phrase the acronym/abbreviation stands for, or you have to "make up" a phrase, then its not worth to reg."

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by testingyou

One advice I got when I started in domain business was: "If it's too hard to find out what phrase the acronym/abbreviation stands for, or you have to "make up" a phrase, then its not worth to reg."

What was too hard? Oh you mean that 20 seconds of research?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

Well CXCD ended at $110 then the buyer (who has bought from me before) immediately tried to pay then emails me and says he is maxed-out and for me to sell it to the second-high bidder. Seems like something fishy going on but since he is repeat-buyer I doubt it (I've never dealt with the 2nd & 3rd high bidders before).

Geesh!

Originally Posted by abcproductions

i didn't think of that and i own dozens of gambling names - heavy with handicapping, horse racing and off-track betting names. thx.

welcome.

[testingyou]

Sorry to hear about that Nem0. I hope the second buyer wants it. Good luck.

[ecalc]

Originally Posted by hecto

... Anyone who thinks of himself as an entrepreneur in any field but at the same time just thinks about the negative side of everything should just quit the game while they are ahead because they will never make it.

Generally true, but don't overlook the value of seriously probing any system/process/product for strengths and weaknesses. Strength is often easy to identify and propagate. Weakness, on the other hand, leans towards insidious and hard to find. Many successful jobs and businesses focus on "negatives" - risk management (managing threat uncertainty), engineering stress analysis (designing structures to withstand destructive static & dynamic loads), etc. Andy Grove (Intel icon) published an insightful book "Only the Paranoid Survive" explaining the philosophy that guided his successful career. Grove discusses the concept of strategic inflection points, a time in the life of a business when fundamentals are about to change, an opportunity to reach new heights or a beginning of the end. His paranoid ideas can be applied to investing. Positive chit chat and easy money are great. Who doesn't love a pat on the back and a winning smile? Negative talk can be beneficial as well, tough to swallow but good for the system.

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by ecalc

Generally true, but don't overlook the value of seriously probing any system/process/product for strengths and weaknesses. Strength is often easy to identify and propagate. Weakness, on the other hand, leans towards insidious and hard to find. Many successful jobs and businesses focus on "negatives" - risk management (managing threat uncertainty), engineering stress analysis (designing structures to withstand destructive static & dynamic loads), etc. Andy Grove (Intel icon) published an insightful book "Only the Paranoid Survive" explaining the philosophy that guided his successful career. Grove discusses the concept of strategic inflection points, a time in the life of a business when fundamentals are about to change, an opportunity to reach new heights or a beginning of the end. His paranoid ideas can be applied to investing. Positive chit chat and easy money are great. Who doesn't love a pat on the back and a winning smile? Negative talk can be beneficial as well, tough to swallow but good for the system.

Some good stuff there, but we all talk negative in this thread once in a while. The difference is we do not do it 99% of the time like whats-his-name. A couple of you keep trying to suggest that all "regulars" here in this thread just jump around with smiles on our faces and post happy happy joy stuff ALL the time. Well that's not really the case.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

There is a thing called balance. And one person that frequents this thread is seriously unbalanced.

[Chef Patrick]

Originally Posted by Nem0

Ugh I forgot all about that auction. How did you do on them Patrick? I mean, profit-wise was it a good success for you? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387 BOTB, Bottom of The Barrel, Battle of The Bulge hits me right away

I posted one name for sale SHHM.com at $225 and no bids. My auction was at the end, by then the majority of the buyers left. I did buy one ForeclosureLoans.biz $30, good keyword and high ppc name. So I'm happy, but definitely not as good as our auctions here.

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by Chef Patrick

I posted one name for sale SHHM.com at $225 and no bids. My auction was at the end, by then the majority of the buyers left. I did buy one ForeclosureLoans.biz $30, good keyword and high ppc name. So I'm happy, but definitely not as good as our auctions here.

Oh ok, from your earlier post it appeared that those 3 LLLL.com names you listed were yours , my bad.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

Doesn't sound like the auction was very exciting. I'll bet NP auctions are much better

[gladdy]

RSUH.COM
$317
Tdnam
11-DEC-2008

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by gladdy

RSUH.COM $317 Tdnam 11-DEC-2008

Nice typo.

Rush the movie
Rush the radio host
Rush the actor
Rush the band

Originally Posted by testingyou

Sorry to hear about that Nem0. I hope the second buyer wants it. Good luck.

Thanks. No response from second yet but the 3rd said he is interested

[-REECE-]

Something to remember about short domains and parking or proactively reaching out to endusers with them: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/s...?case_id=14392

[Spade]

Originally Posted by -REECE-

Something to remember about short domains and parking or proactively reaching out to endusers with them: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/s...?case_id=14392

It doesnt appear the defendant even responded to the dispute.

[Nem0]

Originally Posted by Spade

It doesnt appear the defendant even responded to the dispute.

Yep. He's been involved in many other disputes as well. Says he owns 30,000 domains too (I guess that's why).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=358387

The INPI people owned "INPI" in 9 other extensions, interesting. I hope any company with a trademark can't just pull one of these disputes out successfully by owning the .net and some other obscure extensions.