Go PHP 5 - Page 2

Hitch · 07-13-2007, 05:21 AM

Though, it's good to use PHP 5, with many fixes, and it's good to encourage hosts to upgrade, i can't see this being of any good.

Many servers will still be running PHP 4, far into PHP 5.
Alot of server admins won't know how to upgrade, anyone can buy a server these days, with very little knowledge of how it really works.

I will still support PHP 4 in scripts, i won't drop it until, there is a huge percentage using PHP 5.

Eric · 07-13-2007, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Hitch

Though, it's good to use PHP 5, with many fixes, and it's good to encourage hosts to upgrade, i can't see this being of any good.
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Many servers will still be running PHP 4, far into PHP 5.
Alot of server admins won't know how to upgrade, anyone can buy a server these days, with very little knowledge of how it really works.

I will still support PHP 4 in scripts, i won't drop it until, there is a huge percentage using PHP 5.

Once PHP4 is 'dead', (Dec. 2007, and altogether Aug. 2008) You'll see many hosts and sys admins that DO know how to upgrade, upgrading to PHP5 - and then, PHP 5's usage % will increase dramatically

The people you're referring to is actually quite a small number.

Rasta Panda · 07-14-2007, 07:47 PM

I think you should stick with PHP4. It's easy to use.

dhscott · 07-14-2007, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rasta Panda

I think you should stick with PHP4. It's easy to use.

So was Visual Basic. Still use that?

paaaaaaaaaa · 07-16-2007, 08:18 PM

I think this is great news. There are way too many hosts out there that only have php4. So hopefully this gets noticed enough for them to upgrade.

After consideration I have decided to join in with this with my project. 5th of February should be plenty of time for the percentages to change now that php.net are discontinuing support for php4.

Anyone still using php4 at that time will just have to use an older version of Ripe.

Noobie · 07-20-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Marck

Any application that performs it's function for 6 years with no problems or bugs is written well.

I have misgivings about a platform that achieves market share at the expense of longevity and backwards compatibility.

In 20 years my PHP4 app will probably still be functioning and doing it's work.

All well said including the rest of your posts.

beaver6813 · 07-20-2007, 12:09 PM

I'm slowly moving to PHP5 as a developer, the main problem is having to support two variations of the language means more effort because you have to support two branches instead of one.

As for the host issue, when all major control panels shift over to allowing support for PHP5 and Apache 2.2 (why do hosts still run 1.3!?) much more easily, which cPanel will be going the end of this month, beginning of next. And others I think many more hosts will switch. Usually for people PHP and Apache come already setup, the initial setup is crucial and should be set to PHP5 and Apache 2.2 as default.

liam_d · 07-21-2007, 01:13 PM

I think it is good news.

But i think the website is crap. What it needs is a list of things that we would have to stop using/change etc etc.

JFS · 07-21-2007, 01:53 PM

although i wasn't thinking of changing so soon, i already have some people interessed in scripts on php5 server's.
oh well i guess better sooner then later hehehe

abdussamad · 07-22-2007, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Marck

I think a trend we will be seeing in the next decade is platforms that support any language you like, so these arguments become a thing of the past.

Not that I use it but I think they already have that. Its called .NET

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I actually find php4 rather strange

The day I decided to learn php I happily picked up a book on php5. I rather enjoyed the try-catch error handling and OOP features.

But when I started to make my own sites I was very disappointed with the lack of support for php5. Things have changed considerably now with plenty of hosting options that support it. I look forward to the widespread adoption of php5.

marketstrat · 07-22-2007, 11:26 PM

thanks for information...

hanz · 07-23-2007, 12:21 PM

I guess it is time to move to PHP 5... actually I have been coding on PHP 5 for quite some time already, just my server has still been using PHP 4.

dhscott · 07-23-2007, 02:38 PM

Perhaps we should start a thread with PHP 5 Verified Hosting Providers, it might be useful.

Although, having said that, I'm sure most will switch to PHP5 in anycase so it will only be a matter of time.

Peter · 07-23-2007, 02:47 PM

Most will probably start to switch or make provisions for people using php 4 now.

1 thing I think is a bit misleading with the go php 5 initiative is that the only reason that for example some of the hosts have put their name to it is because it is free advertising and nothing to do with them wanting php 5 to advance.

seanboy · 07-23-2007, 02:49 PM

PHP 5 is a huge step over 4.

Ruby is also an excellent choice.

jdk · 07-23-2007, 03:37 PM

I would have to say we finally made the plunge almost a month ago regarding PHP 5 on our newer machines. We we phase our older machines out none of our new ones will have anything less than PHP 5. It is hard to believe it has been out almost 3 years with PHP 6 on the far horizon.

As a programmer I have not experienced any issues with my scripts from going from 4 to 5. We keep register_globals off. We did experience one issues from going to MySQL 5 from MySQL 4, regarding the precision limited to 65 digits instead of 256 like MySQL 4. This is no problems as PHP 5 limits its precision to 15 by default. We have been thinking about raising it to 65 too as a request from several of our clients, but have not researched if it will cause any problems with the server.

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paaaaaaaaaa NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 442	I think this is great news. There are way too many hosts out there that only have php4. So hopefully this gets noticed enough for them to upgrade. After consideration I have decided to join in with this with my project. 5th of February should be plenty of time for the percentages to change now that php.net are discontinuing support for php4. Anyone still using php4 at that time will just have to use an older version of Ripe. __________________ Please add to my rep points if i was helpful. Thanks. Content management system and online shop software

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beaver6813 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Posts: 392 Follow @beaver6813	I'm slowly moving to PHP5 as a developer, the main problem is having to support two variations of the language means more effort because you have to support two branches instead of one. As for the host issue, when all major control panels shift over to allowing support for PHP5 and Apache 2.2 (why do hosts still run 1.3!?) much more easily, which cPanel will be going the end of this month, beginning of next. And others I think many more hosts will switch. Usually for people PHP and Apache come already setup, the initial setup is crucial and should be set to PHP5 and Apache 2.2 as default. __________________ -Beaver6813.com - Web Developer Extraordinaire!

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liam_d The original NP Emo Kid Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 1,693 Follow @upurtweet	I think it is good news. But i think the website is crap. What it needs is a list of things that we would have to stop using/change etc etc. __________________ Gaming On Linux - Because Linux is Fun!

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Rasta Panda New Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11	I think you should stick with PHP4. It's easy to use.

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dhscott Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,345	Perhaps we should start a thread with PHP 5 Verified Hosting Providers, it might be useful. Although, having said that, I'm sure most will switch to PHP5 in anycase so it will only be a matter of time.

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Peter NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,069	Most will probably start to switch or make provisions for people using php 4 now. 1 thing I think is a bit misleading with the go php 5 initiative is that the only reason that for example some of the hosts have put their name to it is because it is free advertising and nothing to do with them wanting php 5 to advance. __________________ Manage your portfolio using my new Domain Portfolio Management script. Securing Your Domain Name From Theft

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seanboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,212	PHP 5 is a huge step over 4. Ruby is also an excellent choice.

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jdk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 1,492	I would have to say we finally made the plunge almost a month ago regarding PHP 5 on our newer machines. We we phase our older machines out none of our new ones will have anything less than PHP 5. It is hard to believe it has been out almost 3 years with PHP 6 on the far horizon. As a programmer I have not experienced any issues with my scripts from going from 4 to 5. We keep register_globals off. We did experience one issues from going to MySQL 5 from MySQL 4, regarding the precision limited to 65 digits instead of 256 like MySQL 4. This is no problems as PHP 5 limits its precision to 15 by default. We have been thinking about raising it to 65 too as a request from several of our clients, but have not researched if it will cause any problems with the server. __________________ All offers are valid for 12 hours unless otherwise stated.

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