tall.in, owls.in

estibot.com · 07-04-2007, 04:28 PM

I've released another major update today. I've tried to assess the above mentioned problem and it looks like the estimates are more realistic now.

The main new feature is the PPC (pay-per-click) Advertising score. EstiBot determines the income potential from ppc advertising for each domain, and this is now considered in the valuation.

I've also done a lot of other tweaking in the algo. Plus I've added plural detection accuracy, as well as other linguistic stuff. Also about 5 more factors are considered in the domain analysis since last update. There's always more stuff to consider. I expect to be in BETA for another couple of months before going out of beta and then to making only scheduled updates.
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Thanks!
Josh

barcode · 07-04-2007, 10:57 PM

Hey Josh!

Good news is the tool should be far more effective. Bad news is most of my domains have reduced drastically in the appraisals.

Check this domain out: CheapestFlight.in

Now that's not the best domain, but in terms of a keyword combination I know for a fact that "cheapest flight to newyork" OR "cheapest flight LA new york" is big on search.
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Secondly, the PPC ads are somewhat outside the 768x1024 range on mozilla atleast!

Thirdly, it would be a good idea to make a "knowledgebase" of the parameters. Things like the priority in domains tv versus mobi versus us versus in...

Fourthly, some strong disclaimers needed

Edit:

Check this out

Domain rentmovies.in
Keywords (Autodetected) rent movy
Frequency 1,490,000
Anchor Text 1,860,000
Title 10,400
Backlinks 1
Alexa Ranking Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day N/A
PPC Advertising Score 5.5/10
Search Potential/mo (singular) 0
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 20

estibot.com · 07-05-2007, 05:39 PM

barcode- thanks for your feedback, much appreciated

Originally Posted by barcode

Check this domain out: CheapestFlight.in
Now that's not the best domain, but in terms of a keyword combination I know for a fact that "cheapest flight to newyork" OR "cheapest flight LA new york" is big on search.

The .in domain valuation is in its early stages, as is the market. In June, according to NameBio.com, only 10 .in domains were sold, and if you look at the prices, it would be hard to put a very high dollar value to cheapestflight.in without overestimating a lot of other domain names in the process. I agree that the keywords are nice, but the value remains to be seen I suppose.

Recent .in sales (June) from http://namebio.com
fos.in
$110 2007-06-27 Sedo
naked.in
$650 2007-06-26 Sedo
killer.in
$120 2007-06-16 Sedo
honda.in
$545 2007-06-15 Sedo
get.in
$2,328 2007-06-14 Sedo
fir.in
$95 2007-06-05 Sedo
dry.in
$100 2007-06-05 Sedo
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jdo.in
$4 2007-06-02 Afternic Bazaar
rbe.in
$4 2007-06-02 Afternic Bazaar
bankrate.in
$200 2007-06-02

Quote:

Secondly, the PPC ads are somewhat outside the 768x1024 range on mozilla atleast!

Yes, the screen size is a problem caused by IE compatibility issues. If only everyone used Firefox or Safari, it would be so easy for me....Working on it....

Quote:

Thirdly, it would be a good idea to make a "knowledgebase" of the parameters. Things like the priority in domains tv versus mobi versus us versus in...

Excellent idea. At this point the appraisals are based on recent sale frequency and prices for each tld. With the young tld's, there is just not enough data for a universal algorithm...

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Fourthly, some strong disclaimers needed

I'm not a big fan of disclaimers, I think people who get into domaining absolutely should have enough common sense to do without them. However, I agree with you in principle, that's why I've explained the matter somewhat thoroughly in the Guide and About sections. I always emphasize that EstiBot is just a tool to help the user do their own valuation.

Quote:

Check this out

Domain rentmovies.in
Keywords (Autodetected) rent movy

http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 20

I also noticed this flaw in my plural detection system. I'm working on it, but at this point you'll just have to follow the instructions on top of the results box:
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Originally Posted by estibot.com

Autodetected keyword s : rent movy (EstiBot thinks your domain name is the plural for this) - If this is not correct, try again and define keywords by Capitalizing them in the domain name.

Many thanks again for your feedback!
Josh

estibot.com · 07-10-2007, 05:49 PM

I fixed the plural detection thingy, at least for the plurals ending in -ies. Thanks for the heads up.

Here's a response to another thread in the appraisals section:

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Nate Lallouche How reliable are Estibot's calculations?

Quote:

I dont rely on their value. But I do rely on its analysis to lead me value my own domain. If Estibot's value is accurate, then I might be a very rich person now.
Yesterday 07:33 PM

Interesting topic so I'll pitch in.....many domainers say that a domain is worth whatever a buyer is willing to actually pay for it. A domain that has never been sold, and never received an offer is pretty much by definition worth Reg Fee.

I agree with this, and I thought about this long and hard when I started programming EstiBot.

The key thing is, a domain may have significant potential value. Many domains that have been appraised at Reg Fee have later been sold for a good sum of money. Also, domains that sell for $100 today may be worth $1,000 tomorrow.

In other words, a domain name that has not been sold and has never received offers is worth zero to Reg Fee. But if and when that same domain name gets sold, its value rises sharply.

How, then, to estimate the potential value of a domain name that has never been sold? When I programmed EstiBot, my solution was to have EstiBot assume that the name is sold - only then can it start estimating the potential value of the name. The idea is that EstiBot takes the role of a very motivated buyer, and then EstiBot tells you what it would be willing to pay for your domain name (EstiBot also assumes it has wads of cash to spend).

This, then, inevitably leads to many domainers getting $100-$1,000 or so valuations for many domains in their .com portfolio - in the words of the above poster, they'd be doing pretty well if EstiBot was the buyer.

But the valuations are not necessarily exaggerated - often the problem is to find the motivated buyer. This takes time, contacts and marketing skills.

DomainBoy says it spot on: EstiBot is meant to give you a rough idea of the value as well as some relevant keyword data to build your own valuation of your domain name. It does make mistakes, so the key thing is to use your own common sense to put the EstiBot valuation in the right context.
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If EstiBot gives you a high valuation and you think it's too good to be true, then it probably is just that, too good to be true. But if EstiBot gives you a high value and you feel that it might be true if you knew how to unleash the potential in the domain name, then it probably is true.

One guideline I should give...if Estibot does give you a surprisingly high value, it should definitely be worth a closer look..the domain may have some inherent value that you might not have noticed before. This has happened to me many times during my testing of the algorithm. I punch in some name, then get what I think is a way-too-high valuation, but then I check the previous sales database and sure enough, the domain had been sold at that high value.
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As domainers know, it's about having a good sounding name, or a solid keyword name, then finding the buyer.

I have a feeling that another domain gold rush is coming - it looks like the market is picking up, domain type-in traffic is picking up, and businesses are finally starting to grasp the importance of owning the right domains.

Here are some results from my latest test. The latest sales from NameBio as compared to EstiBot valuations:

winningideas.com estibot:1,100 namebio:3,000
naughtytees.com 414 350
mobilemarketer 644 3,300
oneattorney.com 192 500
regarder.tv 4,400 11,438
a1-credit.com 339 293
interpret.com 30,000 17,789
cardlovers.com 980 600
onlineparalegal.com 5,000 500
bestedge.com 1,065 850
earthweaver.com 70 1,350
fotorescue.com 170 800
spinrock.com 309 3,250

Cheers!
Josh

sashas · 07-10-2007, 06:58 PM

I've noticed that the .co.in names are grossly undervalued, although you're .in values do seem okay to me.
the .cn names too seem to have a problem with undervaluation.

estibot.com · 07-10-2007, 08:02 PM

Absolutely Sashas, it's at this point optimized for .com - I feel I have made significant progress with .net, .org., .info, .biz, .us.... but ccTLDs are tough because there is not enough sales data for a reliable statistical analysis.

As more sales occur, I will be able to make EstiBot better with ccTLDs, too. At this point ccTLDs are unreliable because of the lack of data to analyze.

Nate Lallouche · 07-11-2007, 08:15 AM

Hey Josh, thanks for the explanation
Could you please give a bit of insight how come Estibot is estimating Offlined.com at 620$? I have a tough time understanding this as I didn't notice any significant variable for it....

Also I found it did miss the mark on InsiderFreebies.com which just when on Sedo at 2300$ - though I wonder how somebody will value it thismuch really as I don't see much monetization in this name?

Brujah · 07-16-2007, 06:16 PM

Did you get the report I sent in about hyphenated domains?

estibot.com · 07-19-2007, 06:54 PM

THanks guys. I've been on a domaining-detox holiday with no Internet (the first few days were hellish, then the shaking started abating slowly...) so I haven't checked here lately. I'll look into this stuff now.

sashas · 07-19-2007, 07:04 PM

One more thing.
I have Blonde-Model.com, and estibot gives me an appraisal of 11k (which is waaay too much. The best of end users will give me 2k for it)
On the other hand, BlondeModel.com is valued at 5k

the hyphenated names cannot be worth more than the non hyphenated ones...just wanted to bring this to your notice.

But I'm still a huge fan of estibot. I run all the names I register through it.

estibot.com · 07-19-2007, 09:00 PM

Hi sashas thanks! I believe the hyphen domains error is fixed now. A typing error had sneaked into the 2,000-line algorithm resulting in an overvaluation of dotcom hyphenated domains

Josh

kwakkwak · 07-20-2007, 12:49 AM

Thanks Josh for a good tool that we can use. Indeed i use this tool to sell and buy some domains. I check first what the value is of the domain and then i can choose for what price i'm gonna sell or buy a domain.

Maybe some small remarks:

- is it possible when i check the domain 2 times that the value is different?
- What ere you gonna do when the beta is over, does it still remaines free and public?

Regards

edyst3 · 07-20-2007, 02:01 AM

Hi Josh

I just know that you are the owner of estibot.
I tried to appraise some names but I am not sure to judge the appraisal result as real valuation of my domain. But it helps to make a prediction about domain value.
once again thanks for your free software...

estibot.com · 07-20-2007, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by kwakkwak

- is it possible when i check the domain 2 times that the value is different?
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- What ere you gonna do when the beta is over, does it still remaines free and public?

Regards

-yes it is possible to sometimes get different valuations for the same domain due to some fluctuation in the availability of the online resources that the program uses, also sometimes the popularity of a domain's keywords may change rapidly so there may also be real market value change

-I'm going to keep this tool free for all domainers to use. I hope it can pay for its server costs. I'll keep adding more features as I go along

Josh

barcode · 07-21-2007, 02:22 PM

Hey Josh,

These are very generic words, and the extension is .in. However I am not too sure if these are overvaluations?

Code:

 Domain  	 tall.in
Keywords  (Autodetected) 	tall
Frequency 	88,700,000
Anchor Text 	892,000
Title 	1,400,000
Backlinks 	0
Alexa Ranking 	Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day 	N/A
PPC Advertising Score 	2/10
Exact Searches/mo 	32514  
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation 	USD 2,900

Code:

Domain  	 owls.in
Keywords  (Autodetected) 	owl
Frequency 	8,630,000
Anchor Text 	147,000
Title 	191,000
Backlinks 	0
Alexa Ranking 	Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day 	N/A
PPC Advertising Score 	5/10
Exact Searches/mo (singular) 	100317  
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation 	USD 630

estibot.com · 07-21-2007, 09:03 PM

From the main discussion board:

Originally Posted by sambtaylor

...vastly different estimates for the SAME SEARCH. For one, I received estimates of 3,000, 80, and reg fee on three separate searches on the same day (for the same name!)

I think I know which domain you mean (you emailed me about it). I've looked into it, and here's my suggestion.

I'm using an imaginary domain name, CordlessSpaces.com, as an example here, but the results that I quote are for your actual domain name - NOT for CordlessSpaces.com.

If I type cordlessspaces.com, EstiBot will detect the keywords "cordless space" (note the singular) and give the domain a valuation of $3,100. I've typed this numerous times and I have not seen any fluctuation. I always get $3,100 - this may vary a little bit from day to day due to daily fluctuations in the keyword popularity.

However, if I type CordlessSpaces.com, EstiBot will assume that you want exactly the capitalized keywords researched, therefore it uses the term "cordless spaces" in the research (note the plural), and gives you a value of $70. This lesser value is due to OVT not giving exact searches for plural - that's why EstiBot automatically uses the singular search term for OVT when the domain name is in plural.

If I misspell the name and type cordlesspaces.com (note the missing "s"), Estibot will not recognize any keywords and will use the whole string, i.e. "cordlesspace", and therefore the valuation is Reg Fee.

To recap: if you always spell your domain exactly the same, EstiBot should give the same valuation, which may vary naturally due to the following reasons:
1) normal variation over time as keyword popularity changes
2) significant variation due to some resources getting timed out - you should get a warning

The EstiBot keyword Capitalization system is designed to give you maximum freedom to have your domain name analyzed exactly as you see fit:
-type all lower case to let EstiBot determine the most commercially viable keywords contained within your domain name
-capitalize the domain name (Domains.com) to have EstiBot use it exactly as typed
-capitalize the individual keywords (DomainNames.com) to have Estibot use the individual keywords as capitalized

EstiBot will always tell you which keywords it used for the analysis. If you're not happy with the automatic keyword detection result, try capitalizing your domain name, or individual keywords within it.
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Sam, if you are still getting fluctuations and you have excluded the above reasons, let me know and I'll dig deeper into this issue.

Thanks-
josh

and5rey · 07-22-2007, 03:10 AM

Hey Josh, I really like your appraisal tool. It definitely is the best appraisal site I've ever seen. Great work!

I appraised my LLL.in domains yesterday and I was amazed to see the result. I'm not sure if it even isn't too much:

Quote:

Domain asu.in
Keywords (Autodetected) asu
Frequency 9,060,000
Anchor Text 275,000
Title 547,000
Backlinks 0
Alexa Ranking Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day N/A
PPC Advertising Score 0/10
Exact Searches/mo 18319
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 5,000

Quote:

Domain pcc.in
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Keywords (Autodetected) pcc
Frequency 13,100,000
Anchor Text 194,000
Title 525,000
Backlinks 0
Alexa Ranking Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day N/A
PPC Advertising Score 0/10
Exact Searches/mo 14771
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 4,100

So are these 2 appraisals accurate?

I think it is quite difficult to determine the real value of these domain names when comparing previous LLL.in sales, as I would say those $X - $XX sales are just reseller sales. And those sales in the range of $XXX - $XXXX are the end user sales IMO. To be honest, I bought these domains for $30 each yesterday on an other forum (and I bought them after checking them with EstiBot, as I was amazed), as I think I might sell them for much more than just $30 (maybe not now, but few years later). Another factor is that there were really only a few LLL.in sales so far.

sashas · 07-22-2007, 03:16 AM

The best help that I see EstiBot giving me is a quick look at all the stats I wanna know, from Alexa rank to OVT result
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Originally Posted by and5rey

Hey Josh, I really like your appraisal tool. It definitely is the best appraisal site I've ever seen. Great work!

I appraised my LLL.in domains yesterday and I was amazed to see the result. I'm not sure if it even isn't too much:

So are these 2 appraisals accurate?

I think it is quite difficult to determine the real value of these domain names when comparing previous LLL.in sales, as I would say those $X - $XX sales are just reseller sales. And those sales in the range of $XXX - $XXXX are the end user sales IMO. To be honest, I bought these domains for $30 each yesterday on an other forum (and I bought them after checking them with EstiBot, as I was amazed), as I think I might sell them for much more than just $30 (maybe not now, but few years later). Another factor is that there were really only a few LLL.in sales so far.

I do see LLL.in values going into mid xxx atleast in the next two years.
IMO that would happen with .cn values too, I believe (if there are any .cn names remaining, i.e)

estibot.com · 07-22-2007, 03:58 AM

Guys, I agree with what you are saying. I've just posted some further explanations about the appraisal / dollar valuation here:

A couple of exceprts:

Quote:

The dollar valuation is provided as an added feature to help get a rough overall idea of the potential value of the name. It's often in the right ballpark, especially for dotcoms, but it is meant only as a pointer, think of it as a quick visual feedback summary of the commercial potential of the domain name.

If the valuation is very low, chances are that the metrics are unfavorable across the board, and often such domain names are hard to sell. If it's very high, then the domain name probably has some significant potential. If it's somewhat high, in the thousands or so, then consider this as a pointer that the domain name, at the very least, deserves a closer look.

The valuation is very much in Beta

As I've said before, many ccTLDs are still lacking sufficient sales data for reliable statistical analysi, and also there is the language thing I haven't solved yet - i.e. English language domains tend to do too well in non-English tld's. Of course, in India, English is likely to do well.

India is a gigantic country with huge growth potential especially in IT, so who knows...it'll be interesting to see what happens with .in - it's a bit like .us.

Bear with me as I tweak the algorithm, it's really optimized for .com and getting there with net, org, info, biz, us, but even then it's just a pointer.

As you've said above, EstiBot is at its most useful when you utilize it as a quick research tool and take the valuation with a grain of salt, do your own research.

Thanks!
Josh

I found another possible cause for fluctuations:

If you spell your domain name identically and do a couple of searches, and notice that the valuation changes, pay attention to the keywords that EstiBot detects and uses for the valuation.

I've noticed that the keyword detection routine does not always detect the right keywords, even if the domain is spelled identically between searches. This is something that unfortunately cannot be helped given the current resources.
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For instance, if you type "myowndomain.com", estibot will usually detect the keywords "my own domain", but sometimes it will just use "myowndomain". Always check which keywords were used, and if it was wrong, try again or use KeywordCapitalization.

Cheers,
Josh

estibot.com · 07-25-2007, 05:10 AM

Here's a short summary of yet another lengthy post by me:

I need your input. I am thinking of making some changes to EstiBot, and I want you to know what you think. I also welcome any and all ideas that you may have.

Before you read this, let me make one thing clear: I absolutely do not intend EstiBot to become a paid appraisal system of any kind. It's a passion project for me. I will keep the site completely free of charge as long as it is financially viable for me, in other words, as long as I don't end up paying more than the current $250 out of my own pocket to each month to keep the server running.

Here's the list of my suggestions - for in-depth explanation of why I want to make these changes, please read the rest of the post.

1) I am thinking of making EstiBot more educational, with more information and critical explanations especially with the newbie in mind
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2) I want to make available a bulk check option. As long as EstiBot is not paying for its own dedicated server rent, unfortunately I would have to charge 10 cents per domain at this point. Don't misinterpret this - this is NOT intended as a paid appraisal service, but rather a bulk keyword research tool option. A way to get all the keyword data for all your domains in one convenient package. The appraisal dollar value is, as always, just an additional feature that you may or may not find useful. The bulk check results would be provided by e-mail. This is not a money-making feature, the charge is nominal and is just to cover my costs. Nor it is an e-mail address collection feature, I will never use your email for anything else than the single purpose of e-mailing you the results. It's just that many people have asked for this feature, and as much as I'd like to, I simply cannot offer this for free at the moment. The usual functions would of course remain free of charge, and will always remain free of charge.

3) I will add a donation button on the site - those using the site regularly would be able to support my efforts should they wish to do so

If I do manage to get some income - I will invest whatever is left over from the server rent to invest in more keyword research features, better appraisal accuracy - maybe I will also be able to provide the bulk check for free

I've spent more than a thousand hours programming the site. I have reached a point at which I can't make the appraisal much more accurate without investing some money. Sure, I can still tweak it and make it better, but I'm stretching the limits of the tools that are available.

This is where I'm counting on your support - the more backlinks, traffic and income the site generates, the more features I'll be able to add and the more accurate I can make the appraisals. Right now it's not nearly paying for its own dedicated server priced at $250/month.

This is a passion project for me, I believe in my algorithm and originally I wanted to make a private domaining tool for myself, in order to gain some competetive edge. Then I figured - why not share it with other domainers, there's too much "me me me" attitude in today's society. And I tell you, it's really rewarding to see that people use it, and write back to me saying that they've found it helpful. It's nice to give something back for a change. I never thought I'd make money from it (if I do, so much the better of course) - I'm happy if I can invest whatever income I get, and use it to make this an indisposable tool for all domainers, especially with the newbie in mind. I hate to see newbies waste all their money regging/buying crap domains (see especially the .mobi thread). I want to give them a tool to help them to learn basic domain research and valuation.

So, with all this in mind, I am now considering some changes to EstiBot. Here's where I need your help. I want you to tell me what you think of these ideas, and also give me your own ideas. I value the input of NamePros members very much.

I realize that about most of my visitors don't care to read the guide section, and don't want to try various capitalization options, they want to just punch in their domain name and get an immediate appraisal. Some of them (luckily very few) then go and post here at NamePros, telling what a crap and useless system (or POS, as one very senior member put it) it is because it gave a valuation that they think is off.
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That's fine, I am also very busy with a lot of projects going on, and I also want immediate data with no explanations - and then trust myself to interpret the data using my knowledge and experience. However, there are a lot of newbies in the domaining business. I'm not the most experienced domainer around, but I have come a long way (I hope) from regging utterly crap domains and having unrealistic expectations of sales. I have learned one or two things from my own mistakes, and I want to help newbies learn from my mistakes, instead of their own mistakes.

That's why I'm thinking of making the site more educational - more explanation of domain research, an automatic critical interpretation of the appraisal, and so on. The idea would be to still provide a lot of data at-a-glance for the experienced domainers, while at the same time providing educational information for newbies.

Oh, by the way-
I've figured out one issue that causes fluctuation in estimation.

The OVT sometimes returns "exact searches" and sometimes "search potential" for an identical search term. Whenever it returns "search potential", it means it can't match the exact phrase for OVT, and consequently the value is lower than it is when there's a match.

There's nothing I can do at this point to fix this. But read above, if I can invest in some better research tools, I will be able to fix this.

Thanks
Josh

Brujah · 07-25-2007, 05:33 AM

Josh, can you cache the results? Would this make repeated searches for a name return speedier then? Also, should someone want to do a bulk check for 1,000 domains this would cost $100. If you had the results cached the overhead cost is already covered, so you could offer an option of including cached results and give a discount for subsequent searches since it doesn't need to be checked again. If all 1,000 domains were in the cache already then, you could allow those cached results to be returned for say only $10 instead. Might you consider some of this if it proves popular?

and5rey · 07-28-2007, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Brujah

Josh, can you cache the results? Would this make repeated searches for a name return speedier then?

I think that's not good idea, as the number of backlinks of a domain might be increasing if the owner of a domain is promoting it. And then the value of a domain with more backlinks is higher.
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Just my point.

estibot.com · 07-28-2007, 05:46 AM

Brujah, I have a caching routine but I deleted it due to some problems with calling the database. It wasn't any faster to get it from the database than to do a new search.

I'm working on it though, and will notify you when it is functioning again.

By the way, someone has regged a typo: estibots.com - makes me feel like estibot is a major site

Brujah · 07-28-2007, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by and5rey

I think that's not good idea, as the number of backlinks of a domain might be increasing if the owner of a domain is promoting it. And then the value of a domain with more backlinks is higher.

That's where you have the option not to use results from cache. You could choose fresh results and pay the 0.10c per query or whichever in a bulk check rather than a discounted query.

Originally Posted by Josh_1

Brujah, I have a caching routine but I deleted it due to some problems with calling the database. It wasn't any faster to get it from the database than to do a new search.

I'd be glad to brainstorm with you on it too. I use caching a lot with my large databases. I've got 60+ million different domain metrics for example and speed isn't much of an issue.
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Quote:

By the way, someone has regged a typo: estibots.com - makes me feel like estibot is a major site

That's great! Now you just need a new web 2.0 facelift and a sales pitch for millions to (Name|Demand)Media

estibot.com · 07-28-2007, 08:07 AM

Good ideas.

I actually had a caching system when I started. It checked whether the name was already in the database, and whether the data was more than 30 days old. If it was, it would check the metrics again.

I'm working on reinstalling this feature.

07-04-2007, 04:28 PM	THREAD STARTER #101 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	I've released another major update today. I've tried to assess the above mentioned problem and it looks like the estimates are more realistic now. The main new feature is the PPC (pay-per-click) Advertising score. EstiBot determines the income potential from ppc advertising for each domain, and this is now considered in the valuation. I've also done a lot of other tweaking in the algo. Plus I've added plural detection accuracy, as well as other linguistic stuff. Also about 5 more factors are considered in the domain analysis since last update. There's always more stuff to consider. I expect to be in BETA for another couple of months before going out of beta and then to making only scheduled updates. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-advertising-board/332276-pleased-present-public-beta-automatic-appraisals.html Thanks! Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

07-04-2007, 10:57 PM	#102 (permalink)
barcode NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Coordinates - 28.61, 77.23 Posts: 517	Hey Josh! Good news is the tool should be far more effective. Bad news is most of my domains have reduced drastically in the appraisals. Check this domain out: CheapestFlight.in Now that's not the best domain, but in terms of a keyword combination I know for a fact that "cheapest flight to newyork" OR "cheapest flight LA new york" is big on search. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 Secondly, the PPC ads are somewhat outside the 768x1024 range on mozilla atleast! Thirdly, it would be a good idea to make a "knowledgebase" of the parameters. Things like the priority in domains tv versus mobi versus us versus in... Fourthly, some strong disclaimers needed Edit: Check this out Domain rentmovies.in Keywords (Autodetected) rent movy Frequency 1,490,000 Anchor Text 1,860,000 Title 10,400 Backlinks 1 Alexa Ranking Not Ranked Estimated Traffic / Day N/A PPC Advertising Score 5.5/10 Search Potential/mo (singular) 0 http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 20 Last edited by barcode; 07-04-2007 at 11:01 PM.

07-10-2007, 08:02 PM	THREAD STARTER #106 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Absolutely Sashas, it's at this point optimized for .com - I feel I have made significant progress with .net, .org., .info, .biz, .us.... but ccTLDs are tough because there is not enough sales data for a reliable statistical analysis. As more sales occur, I will be able to make EstiBot better with ccTLDs, too. At this point ccTLDs are unreliable because of the lack of data to analyze. __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

07-16-2007, 06:16 PM	#108 (permalink)
Brujah Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,471	Did you get the report I sent in about hyphenated domains? __________________ Free Keyword Popularity, CPC, etc... Namejet, Snapnames, GoDaddy Lists Offers valid for 24 hours. Now Available: Rented.com

07-19-2007, 06:54 PM	THREAD STARTER #109 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	THanks guys. I've been on a domaining-detox holiday with no Internet (the first few days were hellish, then the shaking started abating slowly...) so I haven't checked here lately. I'll look into this stuff now. __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

07-10-2007, 06:58 PM	#105 (permalink)
sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	I've noticed that the .co.in names are grossly undervalued, although you're .in values do seem okay to me. the .cn names too seem to have a problem with undervaluation.

07-11-2007, 08:15 AM	#107 (permalink)
Nate Lallouche New Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9	Hey Josh, thanks for the explanation Could you please give a bit of insight how come Estibot is estimating Offlined.com at 620$? I have a tough time understanding this as I didn't notice any significant variable for it.... Also I found it did miss the mark on InsiderFreebies.com which just when on Sedo at 2300$ - though I wonder how somebody will value it thismuch really as I don't see much monetization in this name?

07-19-2007, 07:04 PM	#110 (permalink)
sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	One more thing. I have Blonde-Model.com, and estibot gives me an appraisal of 11k (which is waaay too much. The best of end users will give me 2k for it) On the other hand, BlondeModel.com is valued at 5k the hyphenated names cannot be worth more than the non hyphenated ones...just wanted to bring this to your notice. But I'm still a huge fan of estibot. I run all the names I register through it.

07-19-2007, 09:00 PM	THREAD STARTER #111 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Hi sashas thanks! I believe the hyphen domains error is fixed now. A typing error had sneaked into the 2,000-line algorithm resulting in an overvaluation of dotcom hyphenated domains Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

07-20-2007, 12:49 AM	#112 (permalink)
kwakkwak NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 901	Thanks Josh for a good tool that we can use. Indeed i use this tool to sell and buy some domains. I check first what the value is of the domain and then i can choose for what price i'm gonna sell or buy a domain. Maybe some small remarks: - is it possible when i check the domain 2 times that the value is different? - What ere you gonna do when the beta is over, does it still remaines free and public? Regards __________________ If you're willing a great domainlist like http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?p=2318047#post2318047 send me a pm only 10np for one keyword search

07-20-2007, 02:01 AM	#113 (permalink)
edyst3 NamePros Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indonesia Posts: 160	Hi Josh I just know that you are the owner of estibot. I tried to appraise some names but I am not sure to judge the appraisal result as real valuation of my domain. But it helps to make a prediction about domain value. once again thanks for your free software... __________________ Internet Marketing Tips \| Computer Spot dot Net

07-25-2007, 05:10 AM	THREAD STARTER #120 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	I need you help + Tell me what you want! Here's a short summary of yet another lengthy post by me: I need your input. I am thinking of making some changes to EstiBot, and I want you to know what you think. I also welcome any and all ideas that you may have. Before you read this, let me make one thing clear: I absolutely do not intend EstiBot to become a paid appraisal system of any kind. It's a passion project for me. I will keep the site completely free of charge as long as it is financially viable for me, in other words, as long as I don't end up paying more than the current $250 out of my own pocket to each month to keep the server running. Here's the list of my suggestions - for in-depth explanation of why I want to make these changes, please read the rest of the post. 1) I am thinking of making EstiBot more educational, with more information and critical explanations especially with the newbie in mind ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 2) I want to make available a bulk check option. As long as EstiBot is not paying for its own dedicated server rent, unfortunately I would have to charge 10 cents per domain at this point. Don't misinterpret this - this is NOT intended as a paid appraisal service, but rather a bulk keyword research tool option. A way to get all the keyword data for all your domains in one convenient package. The appraisal dollar value is, as always, just an additional feature that you may or may not find useful. The bulk check results would be provided by e-mail. This is not a money-making feature, the charge is nominal and is just to cover my costs. Nor it is an e-mail address collection feature, I will never use your email for anything else than the single purpose of e-mailing you the results. It's just that many people have asked for this feature, and as much as I'd like to, I simply cannot offer this for free at the moment. The usual functions would of course remain free of charge, and will always remain free of charge. 3) I will add a donation button on the site - those using the site regularly would be able to support my efforts should they wish to do so If I do manage to get some income - I will invest whatever is left over from the server rent to invest in more keyword research features, better appraisal accuracy - maybe I will also be able to provide the bulk check for free I've spent more than a thousand hours programming the site. I have reached a point at which I can't make the appraisal much more accurate without investing some money. Sure, I can still tweak it and make it better, but I'm stretching the limits of the tools that are available. This is where I'm counting on your support - the more backlinks, traffic and income the site generates, the more features I'll be able to add and the more accurate I can make the appraisals. Right now it's not nearly paying for its own dedicated server priced at $250/month. This is a passion project for me, I believe in my algorithm and originally I wanted to make a private domaining tool for myself, in order to gain some competetive edge. Then I figured - why not share it with other domainers, there's too much "me me me" attitude in today's society. And I tell you, it's really rewarding to see that people use it, and write back to me saying that they've found it helpful. It's nice to give something back for a change. I never thought I'd make money from it (if I do, so much the better of course) - I'm happy if I can invest whatever income I get, and use it to make this an indisposable tool for all domainers, especially with the newbie in mind. I hate to see newbies waste all their money regging/buying crap domains (see especially the .mobi thread). I want to give them a tool to help them to learn basic domain research and valuation. So, with all this in mind, I am now considering some changes to EstiBot. Here's where I need your help. I want you to tell me what you think of these ideas, and also give me your own ideas. I value the input of NamePros members very much. I realize that about most of my visitors don't care to read the guide section, and don't want to try various capitalization options, they want to just punch in their domain name and get an immediate appraisal. Some of them (luckily very few) then go and post here at NamePros, telling what a crap and useless system (or POS, as one very senior member put it) it is because it gave a valuation that they think is off. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 That's fine, I am also very busy with a lot of projects going on, and I also want immediate data with no explanations - and then trust myself to interpret the data using my knowledge and experience. However, there are a lot of newbies in the domaining business. I'm not the most experienced domainer around, but I have come a long way (I hope) from regging utterly crap domains and having unrealistic expectations of sales. I have learned one or two things from my own mistakes, and I want to help newbies learn from my mistakes, instead of their own mistakes. That's why I'm thinking of making the site more educational - more explanation of domain research, an automatic critical interpretation of the appraisal, and so on. The idea would be to still provide a lot of data at-a-glance for the experienced domainers, while at the same time providing educational information for newbies. Oh, by the way- I've figured out one issue that causes fluctuation in estimation. The OVT sometimes returns "exact searches" and sometimes "search potential" for an identical search term. Whenever it returns "search potential", it means it can't match the exact phrase for OVT, and consequently the value is lower than it is when there's a match. There's nothing I can do at this point to fix this. But read above, if I can invest in some better research tools, I will be able to fix this. Thanks Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

07-25-2007, 05:33 AM	#121 (permalink)
Brujah Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,471	Josh, can you cache the results? Would this make repeated searches for a name return speedier then? Also, should someone want to do a bulk check for 1,000 domains this would cost $100. If you had the results cached the overhead cost is already covered, so you could offer an option of including cached results and give a discount for subsequent searches since it doesn't need to be checked again. If all 1,000 domains were in the cache already then, you could allow those cached results to be returned for say only $10 instead. Might you consider some of this if it proves popular? __________________ Free Keyword Popularity, CPC, etc... Namejet, Snapnames, GoDaddy Lists Offers valid for 24 hours. Now Available: Rented.com

07-28-2007, 05:46 AM	THREAD STARTER #123 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Brujah, I have a caching routine but I deleted it due to some problems with calling the database. It wasn't any faster to get it from the database than to do a new search. I'm working on it though, and will notify you when it is functioning again. By the way, someone has regged a typo: estibots.com - makes me feel like estibot is a major site __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

07-28-2007, 08:07 AM	THREAD STARTER #125 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Good ideas. I actually had a caching system when I started. It checked whether the name was already in the database, and whether the data was more than 30 days old. If it was, it would check the metrics again. I'm working on reinstalling this feature. __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

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