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alcurley

great tool...will be bookmarkin this but........

If this site says that your site is worth "Reg Fee", could it still sell for more at auction because i have a gud domain but have done no work wat so ever...

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alcurley: of course, estibot is just giving its best estimation, given the available data. There may be some other value in a domain name, such that EstiBot's algorithm does not consider.

Gut feeling is not to be underestimated in domaining - but on the other hand, we do tend to fall in love with our own domains, often falsely (i can't believe the domains I regged just 1 year ago)....it's good to get some objective data as well, and EstiBot does consider the most important universal factors (about 25 factors now and counting).

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alcurley

thanks for that,

As you can proberly tell, Im new here so have you any advice of what i can do to make my domain worth more in an auction??

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Browse the namepros archives, there is a wealth of info here... post that question in the main discussion section?

One option might be to start an AdWords campaign linking directly to your auction. Some have used that with good results. Worth trying IMO.

PS
Please someone say my new keyword detection routine is cool

Also would be grateful for validation of my traffic estimation routine, which is also cool

I've really spent some hours working on those...

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It is very cool. I love the typo detector too! A bulk checker wold be even cooler though... ...

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accentnepal

Great tool.

Found a issue with multiple word names:

SanJoseCa.com = $120,000
JoseCa.com = $430,000

Would that it were true!!!

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by accentnepal

Great tool. Found a issue with multiple word names

Those are anomalies. I know where the problem is, but I haven't been able to solve it yet - but I'm working on it. Thanks for reporting.

They are nice names though.

Josh

Originally Posted by accentnepal

Great tool. SanJoseCa.com = $120,000 JoseCa.com = $430,000 Thanks again.

Thanks again for the heads up. I looked into it and figured out what the problem was. EstiBot didn't realize JoseCa was only a part of the whole key term, and also was valuating sanjoseca high because of the monthly exact searches.

The problem is that these type of domains do not have a sales base, so EstiBot just needs to use other means of determining value. It goes purely on metrics in this case.

I fixed the problem- EstiBot can now detect these things and, comparing to other u.s. city domain sales, detects a few metrics that are common to good names and other metrics that are common to less valuable while still legit city/state combos. I increased the scope of this routine to include all other similar names and also names in other categories that show the same attributes. I hope the values are now more realistic. This update was not done only to include your names, it was a change in the subroutines affecting thousands of domain names.

Thanks for reporting. Here are the current valuations for your names:

Domain joseca.com
Keywords (Autodetected) jose ca
Frequency 24,200,000
Anchor Text 110,000
Title 525,000
Backlinks 0
Alexa Ranking Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day N/A
Search Potential/mo 98181
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 880

Domain sanjoseca.com
Keywords (Autodetected) san jose ca
Frequency 21,700,000
Anchor Text 105,000
Title 528,000
Backlinks 7
Alexa Ranking Not Ranked
Estimated Traffic / Day N/A
Exact Searches/mo 27902
http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 7,200

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Sad to say, I do not own sanjoseca.com. I looked it up for comparison. Joseca appears to be a given name in Spanish speaking countries, and the connection with San Jose cannot hurt. Unlike my head when I try to get it around fuzzy logic.

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estibot.com

I've made updates today. I would be very grateful indeed for any feedback and suggestions anyone might have.

Please let me know also what you would like to see there (other than bulk appraisals, which are at this time unfortunately not possible given the current resources while still keeping the service free of charge, which is my No1 requirement)

I've added a link feature to the "domain" in the results page - clicking this will check whether the domain is available for registration or not. If the domain is active, clicking the link will open that website so users can check what the domain is being used for, and if the domain is not active, the user is notified (and presented the possibility to register it through my reseller account or other comparable services).

I've also tweaked the typo detection routine as well as increased the accuracy of 3 character domain names.

Cheers,
Josh

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Originally Posted by Josh_1

I've made updates today. I would be very grateful indeed for any feedback and suggestions anyone might have. Please let me know also what you would like to see there (other than bulk appraisals, which are at this time unfortunately not possible given the current resources while still keeping the service free of charge, which is my No1 requirement) I've added a link feature to the "domain" in the results page - clicking this will check whether the domain is available for registration or not. If the domain is active, clicking the link will open that website so users can check what the domain is being used for, and if the domain is not active, the user is notified (and presented the possibility to register it through my reseller account or other comparable services). I've also tweaked the typo detection routine as well as increased the accuracy of 3 character domain names. Cheers, Josh

Great! I'll keep the requests for a bulk checker down.

I tried a LLL I had and it was very accurate.

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Another update!

You can now immediately see whether the .com, .net and .org TLD's are taken or available, and you can click to get an immediate whois info on the name without exiting the estibot.com site, or if it is available, registration is offered.

Now the algorithm is updated to account for available / taken tld's so the values for many of your names may have been changed quite a bit.....

All this is leading to better accuracy. Also I'm approaching my aim to bring as much relevant info as possible in front of your eyes. You can now see a wealth of important data at a glance

You may or may not consider it a vote of confidence that I have now switched to EstiBot as my own primary domaining tool. Now it's good enough

There are still so many things I can do to make it better, but I can only do one thing at a time....already I have about 10 more appraisal factors under evaluation....

Enjoy!

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You are on fire Josh! This is already the best appraisal tool out there. I'm using it almost daily now. Please keep up the great work. I predict that Estibot.com is going to be a really popular site by the end of this Summer.

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Originally Posted by Josh_1

Please someone say my new keyword detection routine is cool

sorry Josh, I saw this a few days ago and tried to break it, but couldnt.
your keyword detection routine is awesome. I will find some words to break it with! I think www. might cause it problems

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sirengirl

First off compliments on this great tool! Since its in beta one would expect quirks and oddities, but the rather wide variation of a names value can hugely vary from one day to the next.

I remember one name valued at $42,000 the next day it was $3,000. Or another example is a name that someone recently made an offer on Sedo, and based on the estimated value of $3,000 I gave this figure to illustrate its potential, and asked for a reserve of $500 (only to find it value at $250 two days later)

I mention all of this to others who may base a purchase or sale on these findings. there are far too many variables. But it has so much potential one hopes things will stablize.

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Sirengirl- yes unfortunately this stuff happens during the BETA that's why it's important not to take the valuations literally.

One should never base a purchase or a sale price on an automatic appraisal alone anyway.

Also one reason for variation may be searches/mo timeout. I've now added a notice of an inaccurate appraisal if that's the case.

It is still in BETA so variation occurs, even big variation.

Things will stabilize though. I need to do more extensive testing and once that's done, I will only make minor changes so the values wouldn't vary so much.

I may be implementing a value range to emphasize that it is a ballpark valuation.

Thanks for the feedback-
Josh

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Originally Posted by Josh_1

Thanks! There are various possible reasons for this anomaly: 1) external resource timeout causes errors - it has been horribly sluggish lately 2) search engines give varying results with each search Also some others. Did it change by much? One more added feature today (by NPr popular request): There is now a new form on the results page where you can submit another domain for appraisal. Should save you a couple of clicks Josh

Hey,

It valued FreeCallCentral.com at around $1000 then it dropped $100 the first time then another $50 the 2nd time. I think the first appraisal may have been a bit high though.

Keep up the awesome work

Chris

Update: Just put it in again and it went up to $2 400

And a suggestion while I'm posting - It'd be pretty cool if you could link to the results page for particular domains

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Estibot is certainly my new favorite place to check the estimated value of a name.

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I've been making updates on the go, and I feel I am getting pretty close to being satisfied with the overall functions. There is of course still a lot of work to do, but the estimates are approaching the sort of reliability that I've been picturing in my mind.

I added .us whois to the page, and also to the algorithm. Also during the past week I've added about 20 new factors that are considered in the algo. Therefore the values for your domains may have been changed again.

I have made a paradigm change in the algo - for the low-end domains, it's now intended to estimate more the end user price, so expect to see value increases for low-end domains.

This is because I've read reports on low-end domain sales increasingly reaching end users, and after all that's exactly what we want to happen with our domains, and that's the sort of value we are looking for. Reseller prices will be lower.

I just ran the last 12 sales as reported today on NameBio.com, in the order in which they appeared:

inkbargains.com 1000 EstiBot: 1,900
poolpass.com 850 EstiBot: 720
intoworld.com 340 EstiBot: 5,600
worldfitnessnetwork.com 500 EstiBot: 50
wineforyou.com 370 EstiBot: 369
beautyconcept.net 688 EstiBot: 110
videomall.com 500 EstiBot: 250
coloradocreditunion.com 3350 EstiBot: 2,600
cameras.com.cn 4000 EstiBot: 6,500
great-britain.de 3364 EstiBot: 2,600
domainnameregister.org 2000 EstiBot: 951
xaj.com 10441 EstiBot: 6,200

Needless to say, I'm very pleased.

I also ran some sales reported by the DDN network, these are clearly the result of good marketing, finding end users. Many of these names would have been appraised at reg fee to low XX in the forums I suspect, and also by EstiBot before this update:

SecurityEnvelope.com $1,600.00 USD USD 1,200
InvestmentPolicies.com $1,300.00 estibot USD USD 1,200
StraightBankruptcy.com $800.00 USD USD 1,600
HillsConstruction.com $750.00 USD 760
TexasGrowers.com $500.00 USD 484
SpyCamWarehouse.com $450.00 USD 470
DressyOccasion.com $400.00 USD 370
BuffaloHistory.com $550.00 USD 1,500
Corporateseal.org $750.00 USD 3,800
DissectingMicroscope.com $750.00 USD 5,300
InvestmentsBook.com $1,150.00 USD 480
DiversifyInvestments.com $1,100.00 USD 620
NanniesCanada.com $1,100.00 USD 400
MariannaRealEstate.com $700.00 USD 2,900
InflationFighter.com $1,150.00 USD 290
CrystalStores.com $600.00 USD 200
ChicagoValet.com $600.00 USD 170
WillsProbate.com $550.00 USD 461
TruckDiagnostics.com $750.00 USD 440
ToolBaby.com $1,550.00 USD 306
ScoliosisExercises.com $1,650.00 USD 282
Roofpitch.com $2,700.00 estibot EstiBot USD 1,400
InvestmentArticles.com $2,550.00 USD 3,200
AlternativeDieselFuels.com $1,900.00 USD 1,000
Agespots.net $1,700.00 USD 150
PersonalInvestmentPortfolio.com $1,500.00 USD 200
GiftCertificatePrinting.com $1,150.00 USD 170
NorwalkAdvertising.com $1,150.00 USD 120
KitchenSinksOnline.com $1,100.00 USD 20
WholesaleCanvasBags.com $1,000.00 USD 170
GrandPrairieApartments.com $1,000.00 USD 4,700
CheapCanvasBags.com $900.00 Reg Fee
StCharlesMagazine.com $900.00 55
Wooden-Beds.com $850.00 USD 1,829
BathroomSinksOnline.com $800.00 Reg Fee
HoustonValetParking.com $650.00 Reg Fee
InternationalEmailAddresses.com $550.00 USD 20
Chess-Posters.com $550.00 Reg Fee
DallasValetParking.com $550.00 137
Rosaceatreatment.org $550.00 USD 300
Adhd-Treatment.com $550.00 USD 6,300
ArizonaBillboards.com $550.00 Reg Fee
OklahomaMedicalSupply.com $550.00 Reg Fee
VerticalHydroponics.com $500.00 117
BelizeMarina.com $500.00 USD 30
Irvineweather.com $450.00 USD 498
ChildrenCd.com $400.00 USD 50
Finance-Business.com $400.00 USD 18,259


Room for improvement? Yes, certainly. But definitely getting there, approaching a good ballpark reliability in my opinion.

I emphasize that some individual estimates may still be quite a bit off, and as the beta testing proceeds, I get reports of these errors and try to fix them. I will never be able to account for everything, because a domain's value is not a scientific absolute, far from it. Anything can happen.

And also, when you compare EstiBot analysis to "known" sale prices, keep in mind that many "known" sale prices are not true. Case in point: RandomMobi.com. Many reports are inflated. Then again many domains are sold at the Bazaar at much less than their end-user value, and again at SnapNames at much higher than any obvious value.

Please be critical.

If you get an unexpected value, the main thing is to ask yourself:

-Is this a realistic appraisal? If not, look at your domain name and ask yourself why EstiBot may be appraising it wrong. Chances are that you'll figure it out. If you think "my domain can't possibly be worth that" or "my domain is absolutely certainly worth more than that", then you are probably (but not necessarily) right.

Look at the keyword data also, and pay close attention to what EstiBot says in the explanation sections at the top and again at the bottom of the screen:

- is it considered a typo by EstiBot? If so, then EstiBot takes into account the traffic that the "real site" gets. If it's not realistically a type-in typo, then Capitalize it to tell EstiBot that it is not a typo
- Is it considered plural? Same thing here.

Then run it again with Capitalization (e.g. Businesses.com, MyOwnDomains.com) to have EstiBot check for your exact term. Pick the valuation that you think is the most realistic, and work from that.

If it's still looking suspicious, then please report it to me

Thanks!
Josh

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sirengirl

Great job fine-tuning things Josh! It's a great tool that will rival Leapfishes
"popularity" which many noobs have relied on.

thanks for all your efforts

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