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06-25-2007, 11:16 AM
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      | alcurley: of course, estibot is just giving its best estimation, given the available data. There may be some other value in a domain name, such that EstiBot's algorithm does not consider. Gut feeling is not to be underestimated in domaining - but on the other hand, we do tend to fall in love with our own domains, often falsely (i can't believe the domains I regged just 1 year ago)....it's good to get some objective data as well, and EstiBot does consider the most important universal factors (about 25 factors now and counting).
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06-25-2007, 11:27 AM
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| Browse the namepros archives, there is a wealth of info here... post that question in the main discussion section? One option might be to start an AdWords campaign linking directly to your auction. Some have used that with good results. Worth trying IMO. PS Please someone say my new keyword detection routine is cool  Also would be grateful for validation of my traffic estimation routine, which is also cool I've really spent some hours working on those...
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06-25-2007, 12:57 PM
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They are nice names though. Josh
The problem is that these type of domains do not have a sales base, so EstiBot just needs to use other means of determining value. It goes purely on metrics in this case. I fixed the problem- EstiBot can now detect these things and, comparing to other u.s. city domain sales, detects a few metrics that are common to good names and other metrics that are common to less valuable while still legit city/state combos. I increased the scope of this routine to include all other similar names and also names in other categories that show the same attributes. I hope the values are now more realistic. This update was not done only to include your names, it was a change in the subroutines affecting thousands of domain names. Thanks for reporting. Here are the current valuations for your names: Domain joseca.com Keywords (Autodetected) jose ca Frequency 24,200,000 Anchor Text 110,000 Title 525,000 Backlinks 0 Alexa Ranking Not Ranked Estimated Traffic / Day N/A Search Potential/mo 98181 http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 880 Domain sanjoseca.com Keywords (Autodetected) san jose ca Frequency 21,700,000 Anchor Text 105,000 Title 528,000 Backlinks 7 Alexa Ranking Not Ranked Estimated Traffic / Day N/A Exact Searches/mo 27902 http://EstiBot.com BETA Valuation USD 7,200
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06-25-2007, 07:20 PM
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| Sad to say, I do not own sanjoseca.com. I looked it up for comparison. Joseca appears to be a given name in Spanish speaking countries, and the connection with San Jose cannot hurt. Unlike my head when I try to get it around fuzzy logic. |
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06-26-2007, 07:31 AM
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| I've made updates today. I would be very grateful indeed for any feedback and suggestions anyone might have. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 Please let me know also what you would like to see there (other than bulk appraisals, which are at this time unfortunately not possible given the current resources while still keeping the service free of charge, which is my No1 requirement) I've added a link feature to the "domain" in the results page - clicking this will check whether the domain is available for registration or not. If the domain is active, clicking the link will open that website so users can check what the domain is being used for, and if the domain is not active, the user is notified (and presented the possibility to register it through my reseller account or other comparable services). I've also tweaked the typo detection routine as well as increased the accuracy of 3 character domain names. Cheers, Josh
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06-26-2007, 07:33 AM
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 I tried a LLL I had and it was very accurate.
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06-26-2007, 01:04 PM
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| Another update! You can now immediately see whether the .com, .net and .org TLD's are taken or available, and you can click to get an immediate whois info on the name without exiting the estibot.com site, or if it is available, registration is offered. Now the algorithm is updated to account for available / taken tld's so the values for many of your names may have been changed quite a bit..... All this is leading to better accuracy. Also I'm approaching my aim to bring as much relevant info as possible in front of your eyes. You can now see a wealth of important data at a glance You may or may not consider it a vote of confidence that I have now switched to EstiBot as my own primary domaining tool. Now it's good enough ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 There are still so many things I can do to make it better, but I can only do one thing at a time....already I have about 10 more appraisal factors under evaluation.... Enjoy!
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06-26-2007, 05:26 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LA (Lower Alabama)
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| You are on fire Josh! This is already the best appraisal tool out there. I'm using it almost daily now. Please keep up the great work. I predict that Estibot.com is going to be a really popular site by the end of this Summer. 
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06-26-2007, 08:36 PM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 your keyword detection routine is awesome. I will find some words to break it with! I think www. might cause it problems 
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06-27-2007, 01:25 AM
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| First off compliments on this great tool! Since its in beta one would expect quirks and oddities, but the rather wide variation of a names value can hugely vary from one day to the next. I remember one name valued at $42,000 the next day it was $3,000. Or another example is a name that someone recently made an offer on Sedo, and based on the estimated value of $3,000 I gave this figure to illustrate its potential, and asked for a reserve of $500 (only to find it value at $250 two days later) I mention all of this to others who may base a purchase or sale on these findings. there are far too many variables. But it has so much potential one hopes things will stablize.
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06-27-2007, 03:50 AM
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| Sirengirl- yes unfortunately this stuff happens during the BETA that's why it's important not to take the valuations literally. One should never base a purchase or a sale price on an automatic appraisal alone anyway. Also one reason for variation may be searches/mo timeout. I've now added a notice of an inaccurate appraisal if that's the case. It is still in BETA so variation occurs, even big variation. Things will stabilize though. I need to do more extensive testing and once that's done, I will only make minor changes so the values wouldn't vary so much. I may be implementing a value range to emphasize that it is a ballpark valuation. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 Thanks for the feedback- Josh
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06-28-2007, 04:21 AM
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It valued FreeCallCentral.com at around $1000 then it dropped $100 the first time then another $50 the 2nd time. I think the first appraisal may have been a bit high though. Keep up the awesome work Chris Update: Just put it in again and it went up to $2 400  And a suggestion while I'm posting - It'd be pretty cool if you could link to the results page for particular domains | ||||
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06-28-2007, 04:26 AM
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      | Estibot is certainly my new favorite place to check the estimated value of a name.
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07-01-2007, 04:42 AM
| THREAD STARTER #94 (permalink) |
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| I've been making updates on the go, and I feel I am getting pretty close to being satisfied with the overall functions. There is of course still a lot of work to do, but the estimates are approaching the sort of reliability that I've been picturing in my mind. I added .us whois to the page, and also to the algorithm. Also during the past week I've added about 20 new factors that are considered in the algo. Therefore the values for your domains may have been changed again. I have made a paradigm change in the algo - for the low-end domains, it's now intended to estimate more the end user price, so expect to see value increases for low-end domains. This is because I've read reports on low-end domain sales increasingly reaching end users, and after all that's exactly what we want to happen with our domains, and that's the sort of value we are looking for. Reseller prices will be lower. I just ran the last 12 sales as reported today on NameBio.com, in the order in which they appeared: inkbargains.com 1000 EstiBot: 1,900 poolpass.com 850 EstiBot: 720 intoworld.com 340 EstiBot: 5,600 worldfitnessnetwork.com 500 EstiBot: 50 wineforyou.com 370 EstiBot: 369 beautyconcept.net 688 EstiBot: 110 videomall.com 500 EstiBot: 250 coloradocreditunion.com 3350 EstiBot: 2,600 cameras.com.cn 4000 EstiBot: 6,500 great-britain.de 3364 EstiBot: 2,600 domainnameregister.org 2000 EstiBot: 951 xaj.com 10441 EstiBot: 6,200 Needless to say, I'm very pleased. I also ran some sales reported by the DDN network, these are clearly the result of good marketing, finding end users. Many of these names would have been appraised at reg fee to low XX in the forums I suspect, and also by EstiBot before this update: SecurityEnvelope.com $1,600.00 USD USD 1,200 InvestmentPolicies.com $1,300.00 estibot USD USD 1,200 StraightBankruptcy.com $800.00 USD USD 1,600 HillsConstruction.com $750.00 USD 760 TexasGrowers.com $500.00 USD 484 SpyCamWarehouse.com $450.00 USD 470 DressyOccasion.com $400.00 USD 370 BuffaloHistory.com $550.00 USD 1,500 Corporateseal.org $750.00 USD 3,800 DissectingMicroscope.com $750.00 USD 5,300 InvestmentsBook.com $1,150.00 USD 480 DiversifyInvestments.com $1,100.00 USD 620 NanniesCanada.com $1,100.00 USD 400 MariannaRealEstate.com $700.00 USD 2,900 InflationFighter.com $1,150.00 USD 290 CrystalStores.com $600.00 USD 200 ChicagoValet.com $600.00 USD 170 WillsProbate.com $550.00 USD 461 TruckDiagnostics.com $750.00 USD 440 ToolBaby.com $1,550.00 USD 306 ScoliosisExercises.com $1,650.00 USD 282 Roofpitch.com $2,700.00 estibot EstiBot USD 1,400 InvestmentArticles.com $2,550.00 USD 3,200 AlternativeDieselFuels.com $1,900.00 USD 1,000 Agespots.net $1,700.00 USD 150 PersonalInvestmentPortfolio.com $1,500.00 USD 200 GiftCertificatePrinting.com $1,150.00 USD 170 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 NorwalkAdvertising.com $1,150.00 USD 120 KitchenSinksOnline.com $1,100.00 USD 20 WholesaleCanvasBags.com $1,000.00 USD 170 GrandPrairieApartments.com $1,000.00 USD 4,700 CheapCanvasBags.com $900.00 Reg Fee StCharlesMagazine.com $900.00 55 Wooden-Beds.com $850.00 USD 1,829 BathroomSinksOnline.com $800.00 Reg Fee HoustonValetParking.com $650.00 Reg Fee InternationalEmailAddresses.com $550.00 USD 20 Chess-Posters.com $550.00 Reg Fee DallasValetParking.com $550.00 137 Rosaceatreatment.org $550.00 USD 300 Adhd-Treatment.com $550.00 USD 6,300 ArizonaBillboards.com $550.00 Reg Fee OklahomaMedicalSupply.com $550.00 Reg Fee VerticalHydroponics.com $500.00 117 BelizeMarina.com $500.00 USD 30 Irvineweather.com $450.00 USD 498 ChildrenCd.com $400.00 USD 50 Finance-Business.com $400.00 USD 18,259 Room for improvement? Yes, certainly. But definitely getting there, approaching a good ballpark reliability in my opinion. I emphasize that some individual estimates may still be quite a bit off, and as the beta testing proceeds, I get reports of these errors and try to fix them. I will never be able to account for everything, because a domain's value is not a scientific absolute, far from it. Anything can happen. And also, when you compare EstiBot analysis to "known" sale prices, keep in mind that many "known" sale prices are not true. Case in point: RandomMobi.com. Many reports are inflated. Then again many domains are sold at the Bazaar at much less than their end-user value, and again at SnapNames at much higher than any obvious value. Please be critical. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 If you get an unexpected value, the main thing is to ask yourself: -Is this a realistic appraisal? If not, look at your domain name and ask yourself why EstiBot may be appraising it wrong. Chances are that you'll figure it out. If you think "my domain can't possibly be worth that" or "my domain is absolutely certainly worth more than that", then you are probably (but not necessarily) right. Look at the keyword data also, and pay close attention to what EstiBot says in the explanation sections at the top and again at the bottom of the screen: - is it considered a typo by EstiBot? If so, then EstiBot takes into account the traffic that the "real site" gets. If it's not realistically a type-in typo, then Capitalize it to tell EstiBot that it is not a typo - Is it considered plural? Same thing here. Then run it again with Capitalization (e.g. Businesses.com, MyOwnDomains.com) to have EstiBot check for your exact term. Pick the valuation that you think is the most realistic, and work from that. If it's still looking suspicious, then please report it to me Thanks! Josh
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07-01-2007, 12:06 PM
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| NamePros Regular  Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Coordinates - 28.61, 77.23
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| Hi Josh, At the outset - a big big congratulations on putting together such a fantastic tool! It was a pure coincident that I also ran the Namebio domains thru Estibot and found wonderful accuracy... I just wanted to check on how you have stacked the priorities on the TLDs.. How would you place .us; .co.uk; .co.in; .in etc? Could be interesting to also use domain hacks in the algo? (too much work though)Lastly - I will donate funds for the dedicated server once I sell my first domain! Good luck! |
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07-01-2007, 02:08 PM
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| Diggin' the Domains...     Join Date: Jun 2007
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   | Hi Josh, as a noob i can't really offer much, other than awe for what you've put together in a fairly short period of time! Wow!! i came across the link on a namepro thread just today, went to it and plugged most of my names into it, with some tasty and some sour results... of course! i hadn't really thought about appraisals before, again im a noob, but after getting the results i did there i googled domain appraisals and wound up using smartpagerank. com for comparison.... in general, all the domains i received 'flattering' results (i.e designermarken. com, anonymousdownloads. com, umfassend. com, flatratedsl.com ) on estibot were humbled there, whereas almost all that received 'reg fee' on estibot received 20-50+ on smart.... i realize this is still in beta and there is tweaking involved that i cannot even comprehend, its just now i dont really know in what price range to consider my domains....... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 1 certain plus though, estibot seemed just fine with .de names whereas smartpagerank aint so smart here.... again, kudos and will be back on the site often! SP |
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07-02-2007, 02:43 AM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 I think smartpagerank is more geared toward estimating the value of existing websites, although I'm not familiar with the site. I plugged in a few and it doesn't seem to value pure domain names much at all. EstiBot tries to estimate the potential end user value of domain names whether or not there is an existing website at the domain. It does also consider the value of the existing website, but that's not its main function. For instance, according to smartpagerank.com, the estimated value of Casino.com is: $6,919. EstiBot valuates Casino.com at USD 8,800,000. According to NameBio.com, it was sold in 2003 for $5,500,000, I'm sure it's easily worth more than 10 million today. Smartpagerank.com estimates the value of NameBio.com at $499, EstiBot gives it $8,800, I'm sure EstiBot is closer, although again I'm sure it's worth much more than that as a website. But this shows that EstiBot also considers the value of the existing website. My personal opinion of your names is that AnonymousDownloads and DesignerMarken are nice names. They could be worth $x,xxx for an end user, of course their value is lower in the reseller market. Of the others I can't say because I'm not familiar with the German market. Cheers! Josh
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07-02-2007, 12:43 PM
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| Diggin' the Domains... Join Date: Jun 2007
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| Thanks, Josh for the time and effort for doing the estibot site AND somehow still having the time and energy to follow-up (promptly even!) on pesky questions from noobs like myself!! and on that note another question: how is estibot's accuracy with IDN'S? for example my fairly new domain nét. de was evaluated at 390$.... seem about right? sadly, supposedly smartpagerank wasnt able to wrap itself around either the idn or the ext and gave the value as 0.... as you pointed out though, the values also reflect the fact that none of my domains are developed websites (as of yet!) Back to designermarken and anonymousdownloads though.... i really appreciate your personal input on them, means a lot to me to hear that there is at least a glimpse of sunshine in my otherwise bleak domain portfolio... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 keep up the great work! SP
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07-02-2007, 02:53 PM
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| There is currently a problem with EstiBot appraising some 2-word .coms at about 10x their real value -> mostly x,xxx-XX,XXX domains at xx,xxx-XXX,XXX. There is some trouble trying to figure out the characteristics what makes one of these domains a xxx,xxx and another similar one just xx,xxx etc. It's proving surprisingly hard. I'm close to figuring out a near-universal rule for it though so please be patient, I need a couple of days...
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