Pleased to present Public Beta for automatic Appraisals - Page 3

ulasbbtr · 06-06-2007, 11:25 AM

very nice tool

thanx for your development labour.

it estimates my domain WhatToLook.com as
EstiBot Valuation USD 140,876

is it caused by an algorithmic exception or is it really worth that much?

ninetwofive · 06-06-2007, 06:07 PM

It estimated steaks.tv at:

EstiBot Valuation USD 22,465

:S

Yofie · 06-06-2007, 09:04 PM

Keep in mind guys/gals this is in Beta and this FREE tool is working great 7 out of 10 times. Great Job on the tool and no appraisal system is going to make Everybody happy. Keep up the great work!

estibot.com · 06-07-2007, 12:38 PM

Thanks all so much again for your comments. Yes, algorithmic exceptions do occur and I won't be able to remove the altogether given what's available to me at this point. but right now I'm busy at work on a major algo update which should reduce these exceptions and increase the overall accuracy. Thanks to all the beta testing and feedback I have been able to pinpoint some specific issues with the algorithm.

This update will also introduce specification regarding the OVT result, whether exact or market overall and so on. No new parameters will be introduced yet, but next on my to-do list is backlink analysis and incorporating that into the equation.

I should be able to release my algo update sometime next week.

I will definitely look at possibilities for introducing batch valuations. Right now it's very much in Beta so I'll try to see what I can do with its main functions first. But I realize that batch appraisals would be very high on everyone's wish list....

I have some specific ideas about how I can make it much more consistently accurate and therefore more useful for serious domaining, but there are some hurdles to jump first, one of them making it pay for its own server costs.

By the way, I removed the possibility for accidental clicks on the Adsense ads, that was an oversight and not on purpose.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-advertising-board/332276-pleased-present-public-beta-automatic-appraisals.html

Thanks for testing!
Josh

bfluid · 06-07-2007, 01:03 PM

Could you do automatic certificates if chosen as an option after we get our estimate?

Ty

eggman · 06-12-2007, 01:44 PM

I too would like to thank you for a great tool. While I appreciate no automatic tool is going to be accurate all the time, I think the general accuracy of your algorithm, and it's superiority over other automatic appraisal sites out there, will help newbies like me everywhere.

estibot.com · 06-12-2007, 02:07 PM

Hi all,

Phew!

I've finished a major algorithm update. You have been heard and I'd like to thank everybody for giving me valuable feedback during the first phase of the public BETA test. I hope you continue to help me make this tool better by communicating with me during this second phase of beta testing.

I'm very pleased to release EstiBot BETA v2.0

To put it short, I've made a major update to the system and changed quite a lot of things. This is a lengthy post so go directly to EstiBot.com if you're not in the mood for my ramblings

Some important changes:
-backlinks are now considered in the valuation. This gives a more accurate estimate for old domains and existing websites. However, there are so many more variables that determine the value of an existing website, that you should keep in mind that the estimate is at best only a pointer, an indicator of potential. Keep in mind that when EstiBot valuates google.com at USD 208,908,904 - of course it does not mean that you can buy Google at that price, it just means that it's damned valuable and you'd better believe it

-Number of backlinks (google) are now displayed for the users convenience

-the user is now informed whether the Searches/mo field represents exact searches or what I call "search potential" in case exact searches were not found using the currently available, very limited tools. This should increase the usability of EstiBot as a keyword research tool. EstiBot can valuate most domains equally accurately whether exact searches are found or not.

-the viewable database has been removed. I still use it for beta testing purposes but I have no interest, intention or time to look at let alone register individual domains when hundreds of names are punched in every day. I destroy the database at regular intervals after I'm done testing

-the "appraise another domain" button has been added to the results page by public demand

-I have made numerous filters, error checking routines, statistical updates and so on in order to increase the overall accuracy. I won't bore you with the details

The algorithm is getting very complicated....

I have attempted to keep EstiBot optimized for the low- to mid end domain range, because I feel this will be most useful to the majority of fellow domainers. This means that I aim to make it as accurate as possible in the zero to $20,000 range or so. Actually, low end domains are much, much more unpredictable than high end domains as to their monetary value. It would be much easier to optimize for the high end, but I like a challenge as much as the next guy

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276

It still does a pretty good job in the high end range, too, but any valuation of above 10,000 or so means that you have a potentially valuable domain name and it might just be worth getting a professional appraisal. To the best of my knowledge, I sincerely feel that SEDO appraisals are best.

Remember that it's anybody's guess whether any given domain will ultimately sell at $10,000 or $90,000, and similarly in the other ranges, $1,000 or $9,000... so what you are getting with EstiBot is a ballpark valuation. The rest depends hugely on the motivation of both buyer and seller. Anything above $100,000 is just a rough pointer.

Here are the results of my first test run today. First, I went to http://namebio.com and clicked a search for the 100 most recent domain sales (excluding Bazaar sales because those are often sold at much below value).

Then I ran those names through EstiBot Beta v2.0, and here are the results in the order in which they appeared on NameBio, warts and all - I did not remove any unfavorable results. I will comment some of these also..

I'd like to thank Justin / DomainSpade for this invaluable tool called NameBio.com...your site has been crucial in the development of EstiBot, it has made testing so easy - I've added a link to your site from my main page as a modest way to give something back.

As a general comment, I am not of the opinion that a known sales price is necessarily the best valuation of a domain name. Usually the buyer almost by definition thinks that the domain name is more valuable than what he is prepared to pay for it. Conversely, some buyers seem to pay hugely exaggerated prices for domains, at SnapNames for instance. So the actual, known sale price is not necessarily the real value of a name, there are so many more factors. Of course, it does give a very good general indication of value.

Here is the data from today. The first number is the EstiBot valuation, and the second number is the actual known sales price.

webmosis.com 17 2,500 <--- unpredictable brandable, end user stuff
MxGamer.com 115 200
dinosaurs.mobi 1,496 500 <-- perhaps EstiBot is too mobi optimistic?
TravelSay.com 164 3,000 <-- end user magic again
MassageWeb.com 605 700
PearlFunding.com 6 850 <-- machine cannot see the putative beauty in this name
FatDrug.com 1,515 2,500
pzow.com 174 1,500 <-- EstiBot likes LLLL.coms but is conservative and it's good to remember that there is huge end user potential in LLLL's
hks.mobi 236 210
BelleBella.com 430 995
aaaTunes.com 0 299 <--- who'da guessed?
TelephoneBills.com 2,830 2,000
GlobalEye.com 920 4,000
PromotionalGames.com 1,475 250
r1.org 2,194 1,397
677.net 749 1,250
ylm.de 78 672 <-- .de is strong, but difficult to valuate, big variance
YoungAthlete.com 2,687 300 <-- nice buy
WhatMatters.net 6,633 1,000
ShareStory.com 5,737 1,888
GymMachine.com 3,237 1,000
MiniLaptops.com 662 1,000
YogaWeb.com 631 2,600
SpaceSystems.com 17,232 2,000 <-- amazing domain name a very good buy in this age of rocket boom and private space business
LawyerSoftware.com 4,327 1,000
SchoolOfFinance.com 3,126 1,600
SecretaryJobs.com 9,271 3,000 <-- a very nice buy
kazbah.net 31 488
bu0.com 321 260
xy4.com 500 412
studentenkredit.net 58 333
PimpedMyRide.com 451 398
fff0.com 151 151 <--- speechless

OK, there is quite a bit of variance in this very short list. But when statistically tested, EstiBot reaches now a very high predictive value. Also, the next sale of the above names may well be closer to the EstiBot valuation

I've tested the system on thousands of domains. When I look at the above list with its fluctuations, I am quite happy, it's just as can be expected for a short sample in this unpredictable world of domain sales.

Here is another test from today, more in the high end range:

rex.com 160,435 395,000
vn.com 110,440 100,000
part.com 674,645 100,000
15.com 236,935 100,000
amt.com 114,542 100,000
vodka.com 205,262 3,000,000
character.com 284,756 100,000
microwave.com 418,821 95,001
announce.com 18,133 90,000
06.com 90,898 80,000
moka.com 14,447 72,223
bcf.com 15,893 71,200
ofertas.com 15,694 76,214
kut.com 48,349 65,000
pat.com 131,345 63,000
pog.com 27,265 20,000
SpringBox.com 12,282 20,000
yule.com 14,917 20,000
freo.com 3,311 20,000

As a general comment to this, I'd say that EstiBot is very rarely wrong in determining the overall ballpark. If it says your domain is worth >10,000, a thorough human evaluation is definitely warranted.

Also this demonstrates how high end domains are more predictable than low end domains.

Anyway, there it is, enjoy! Please do report major malfunctions to me as it is still in beta

Thanks and good luck
Josh

bfluid · 06-12-2007, 02:16 PM

Is age included in the algorithm?

EDIT: Also, is there a way you could do a mass lookup option. So I could look up all my domains at once?

randomo · 06-12-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by bfluid

EDIT: Also, is there a way you could do a mass lookup option. So I could look up all my domains at once?

Originally Posted by Josh_1

I will definitely look at possibilities for introducing batch valuations. Right now it's very much in Beta so I'll try to see what I can do with its main functions first. But I realize that batch appraisals would be very high on everyone's wish list....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276
Josh

bfluid · 06-12-2007, 08:05 PM

bfluid is ashamed

estibot.com · 06-13-2007, 05:33 PM

Beta v2.01 is up

I am now busy updating with the fresh feedback from beta v2.0 coming in so don't be alarmed if there is some fluctuation in value.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276

I will notify of algo updates by increasing the version number (left sidebar) as I go along.

Fixed a number of things. Too tired to explain them all now, perhaps tomorrow. Thanks for testing and writing back.

I feel that I'm getting there slowly...

Edit: the backlink checker routine stopped working for some odd reason so expect too-low appraisals for existing sites....I'll try to fix it

Edit: Phew, the backlink routine is up and running again

estibot.com · 06-14-2007, 10:35 AM

Many, many thanks to whoever took the time to test various word combos such as AdviseTo, AdvisorFor, GiveAdviceOn, and so on....

This helped me no end and I was able to fix the overvaluation of such names categorically!

Thank you

v2.03 is now live
Josh

estibot.com · 06-18-2007, 03:50 PM

Just a notice that I've made a little update.. you can now click on the various keyword result categories on the results page, and quickly check google and yahoo for search results, backlinks, etc.

Though this might make the results page more interactive and above all useful for your domain name research.

Cheers,
Josh

bfluid · 06-18-2007, 03:52 PM

Thanks Josh!

Ty Maier

-NC- · 06-18-2007, 03:58 PM

I see you've updated the design as well - much better, except that it's too wide for my 1024x768 resolution!

estibot.com · 06-18-2007, 04:23 PM

Sorry - I made it narrower now. Any better?

-NC- · 06-18-2007, 04:38 PM

erm, it fits, but the "estibot.com" and "Free domain appraisal" is chopped off - and there's a small scroll bar at the bottom in the center.

may i suggest firefox web developer toolbar?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60

You can add different resolutions to the "resize" bar and check very quickly what they will turn out like. alternatively just change your resolution and check

estibot.com · 06-19-2007, 12:46 AM

THanks NameCodex I'll have a look at that toolbar. It's a major headache trying to make the page compatible with all browsers. Especially IE7 is causing grief. Once I get it right for Firefox and Safari, then IE7 is screwed and vice versa....

I always check it with Windows Firefox, IE7, and Mac Safari and Firefox, and with multiple resolutions. Still not always right...

Work In Progress · 06-19-2007, 01:18 PM

It was interesting to see that CelebrityVideos.mobi was valuated at reg fee and YourOpinions.info was valuated at $2,905.00.

Where's the mobi-love?

-NC- · 06-19-2007, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Josh_1

Especially IE7 is causing grief

I feel your pain, well I used to, I don't do much html any more - at work I give it all to the juniors and for my personal projects I just use oswd.org templates

estibot.com · 06-19-2007, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Work In Progress

It was interesting to see that CelebrityVideos.mobi was valuated at reg fee and YourOpinions.info was valuated at $2,905.00.

Where's the mobi-love?

No love

trying to keep it objective. I admit that .mobi is especially hard to valuate due to current sluggish market and large variance in sale prices. I don't personally know what to make of this tld but I've done my best to provide EstiBot with objective sales data.... the problem is that many seemingly nice .mobis are hard if not impossible to sell right now, and then again many weird ones get sold at amazingly high prices, therefore estimation of value is difficult, and I've programmed estibot to err on the conservative side if possible..
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276

Thanks for posting this - I now see that there was overvaluation of YourOpinions.info and other similar domains across the board. This is now fixed and YourOpinions.info is valued at $198.

By the way, I have today arrived at a point where I have finally convinced my skeptical self that EstiBot is indeed a good domaining tool. I've had my doubts along the way. I am now using it routinely as part of my own domain research.

Here's an example of how it could be used to maximum benefit. This stems from what I just did tonight while browsing the aftermarket.

I found this domain: floorsign.com

It sounded good, but I had no idea whether there was a market or not, so I typed it into EstiBot and got a valuation of >2k. OK, there may be something here so it got my interest. Then I clicked the link on the results page to display the search results in a new window. There I found several companies advertising floor sign holders. Next I ran SignHolders.com and EstiBot gave it a >2k valuation as well. Thus I became aware of a potentially interesting domain micromarket, the existence of which I had previously never known.

I think it can be a useful tool for brainstorming and discovering new markets, as well as a good starting point for valuation if I have no idea what some domain name might be worth. It's usually in the right ballpark.

Josh

estibot.com · 06-23-2007, 05:29 PM

Pleased to release EstiBot BETA v2.1!

The algo is nearly completely revised and some major new features. This took a lot of work....phew!

New features:
No more Capitalization -> automatic keyword detection now live! I'm secretly quite proud of accomplishing this with my meagre skills.

You can still capitalize keywords if you wish to specify certain keywords, or are inputting international names. EstiBot mostly detects English keywords at this point. Will be adding support to more languages later.

Linguistic analysis now improved. Unnatural word order in key terms are given more penalty, depending dynamically on their other attributes of course. EstiBot now more sensitive to natural language.

3character sales database has been updated and algo revised for more accuracy. Also LNL, NLN, L-L, and so on, are all appraised by category and other metrics.

Typo domains are now automatically detected and the domains are valuated according to the assumed traffic value they get from the "mother site". This feature is very much in beta, but shows promise.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276
General accuracy has been improved. I have just finished updating the sales db with 200 more sales, and when testing current algo against those, I was actually a bit impressed at the quality of the appraisals, if I do say so myself.

It's also faster now. I've removed all mySQL database calls to speed up the process. No domain names are any more stored in the database, so your domain ideas are quite safe. Even I don't see them any more.

Slowness of OVT is causing sluggish behavior, but that can't be helped at this point. I have other solutions on the horizon, but those cost money and first I need to cover the server costs.

Please continue to beta test and give me feedback. I have only started with this thing, and will continue making it much better.

Cheers!
Josh

ChrisChris · 06-23-2007, 09:09 PM

Great job John - definitily one of if not the best one on the net

Just a concern, I put a domain in and got the valuation. I did it again about an hour later and it had changed

Keep up the great work

edit: It just changed again

estibot.com · 06-24-2007, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisChris

Great job John - definitily one of if not the best one on the net

Just a concern, I put a domain in and got the valuation. I did it again about an hour later and it had changed

Keep up the great work

edit: It just changed again

Thanks!

There are various possible reasons for this anomaly:
1) external resource timeout causes errors - it has been horribly sluggish lately
2) search engines give varying results with each search
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276

Also some others.

Did it change by much?

One more added feature today (by NPr popular request): There is now a new form on the results page where you can submit another domain for appraisal. Should save you a couple of clicks

Josh

estibot.com · 06-25-2007, 10:29 AM

V2.2 is up!

Very pleased to release this update - EstiBot now features:
- domain daily traffic estimate
- shows you the Alexa rank
- considers traffic stats in the algorithm!
- algoritm updated now to unprecedented accur...erm....predictive power

- valuation now rounded to nearest sensible number to emphasize that this is a ballpark valuation. In a way I hated to do this because in the latest testing I had quite a few very, very close matches with known sales... but overall I think this is a good thing.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276

Note please, I had to remove the "enter new domain" box because the damned script kept sending the same form over and over...I'll put it back there as soon as I figure out how to fix it..

Enjoy!

06-06-2007, 06:07 PM	#52 (permalink)
ninetwofive NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 151	It estimated steaks.tv at: EstiBot Valuation USD 22,465 :S __________________ www.floridas.com

06-06-2007, 09:04 PM	#53 (permalink)
Yofie Yofie.com Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: DotWeekly.com Posts: 2,935	Keep in mind guys/gals this is in Beta and this FREE tool is working great 7 out of 10 times. Great Job on the tool and no appraisal system is going to make Everybody happy. Keep up the great work! __________________ DotWeekly.com <--My Blog, Readers Welcome!

06-07-2007, 12:38 PM	THREAD STARTER #54 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Thanks all so much again for your comments. Yes, algorithmic exceptions do occur and I won't be able to remove the altogether given what's available to me at this point. but right now I'm busy at work on a major algo update which should reduce these exceptions and increase the overall accuracy. Thanks to all the beta testing and feedback I have been able to pinpoint some specific issues with the algorithm. This update will also introduce specification regarding the OVT result, whether exact or market overall and so on. No new parameters will be introduced yet, but next on my to-do list is backlink analysis and incorporating that into the equation. I should be able to release my algo update sometime next week. I will definitely look at possibilities for introducing batch valuations. Right now it's very much in Beta so I'll try to see what I can do with its main functions first. But I realize that batch appraisals would be very high on everyone's wish list.... I have some specific ideas about how I can make it much more consistently accurate and therefore more useful for serious domaining, but there are some hurdles to jump first, one of them making it pay for its own server costs. By the way, I removed the possibility for accidental clicks on the Adsense ads, that was an oversight and not on purpose. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-advertising-board/332276-pleased-present-public-beta-automatic-appraisals.html Thanks for testing! Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

06-07-2007, 01:03 PM	#55 (permalink)
bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,476	Could you do automatic certificates if chosen as an option after we get our estimate? Ty __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :)

06-12-2007, 01:44 PM	#56 (permalink)
eggman New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: UK Posts: 21	I too would like to thank you for a great tool. While I appreciate no automatic tool is going to be accurate all the time, I think the general accuracy of your algorithm, and it's superiority over other automatic appraisal sites out there, will help newbies like me everywhere. __________________ ►►► :o ◄◄◄

06-06-2007, 11:25 AM	#51 (permalink)
ulasbbtr NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 312	very nice tool thanx for your development labour. it estimates my domain WhatToLook.com as EstiBot Valuation USD 140,876 is it caused by an algorithmic exception or is it really worth that much?

06-12-2007, 02:07 PM	THREAD STARTER #57 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Hi all, Phew! I've finished a major algorithm update. You have been heard and I'd like to thank everybody for giving me valuable feedback during the first phase of the public BETA test. I hope you continue to help me make this tool better by communicating with me during this second phase of beta testing. I'm very pleased to release EstiBot BETA v2.0 To put it short, I've made a major update to the system and changed quite a lot of things. This is a lengthy post so go directly to EstiBot.com if you're not in the mood for my ramblings Some important changes: -backlinks are now considered in the valuation. This gives a more accurate estimate for old domains and existing websites. However, there are so many more variables that determine the value of an existing website, that you should keep in mind that the estimate is at best only a pointer, an indicator of potential. Keep in mind that when EstiBot valuates google.com at USD 208,908,904 - of course it does not mean that you can buy Google at that price, it just means that it's damned valuable and you'd better believe it -Number of backlinks (google) are now displayed for the users convenience -the user is now informed whether the Searches/mo field represents exact searches or what I call "search potential" in case exact searches were not found using the currently available, very limited tools. This should increase the usability of EstiBot as a keyword research tool. EstiBot can valuate most domains equally accurately whether exact searches are found or not. -the viewable database has been removed. I still use it for beta testing purposes but I have no interest, intention or time to look at let alone register individual domains when hundreds of names are punched in every day. I destroy the database at regular intervals after I'm done testing -the "appraise another domain" button has been added to the results page by public demand -I have made numerous filters, error checking routines, statistical updates and so on in order to increase the overall accuracy. I won't bore you with the details The algorithm is getting very complicated.... I have attempted to keep EstiBot optimized for the low- to mid end domain range, because I feel this will be most useful to the majority of fellow domainers. This means that I aim to make it as accurate as possible in the zero to $20,000 range or so. Actually, low end domains are much, much more unpredictable than high end domains as to their monetary value. It would be much easier to optimize for the high end, but I like a challenge as much as the next guy ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 It still does a pretty good job in the high end range, too, but any valuation of above 10,000 or so means that you have a potentially valuable domain name and it might just be worth getting a professional appraisal. To the best of my knowledge, I sincerely feel that SEDO appraisals are best. Remember that it's anybody's guess whether any given domain will ultimately sell at $10,000 or $90,000, and similarly in the other ranges, $1,000 or $9,000... so what you are getting with EstiBot is a ballpark valuation. The rest depends hugely on the motivation of both buyer and seller. Anything above $100,000 is just a rough pointer. Here are the results of my first test run today. First, I went to http://namebio.com and clicked a search for the 100 most recent domain sales (excluding Bazaar sales because those are often sold at much below value). Then I ran those names through EstiBot Beta v2.0, and here are the results in the order in which they appeared on NameBio, warts and all - I did not remove any unfavorable results. I will comment some of these also.. I'd like to thank Justin / DomainSpade for this invaluable tool called NameBio.com...your site has been crucial in the development of EstiBot, it has made testing so easy - I've added a link to your site from my main page as a modest way to give something back. As a general comment, I am not of the opinion that a known sales price is necessarily the best valuation of a domain name. Usually the buyer almost by definition thinks that the domain name is more valuable than what he is prepared to pay for it. Conversely, some buyers seem to pay hugely exaggerated prices for domains, at SnapNames for instance. So the actual, known sale price is not necessarily the real value of a name, there are so many more factors. Of course, it does give a very good general indication of value. Here is the data from today. The first number is the EstiBot valuation, and the second number is the actual known sales price. webmosis.com 17 2,500 <--- unpredictable brandable, end user stuff MxGamer.com 115 200 dinosaurs.mobi 1,496 500 <-- perhaps EstiBot is too mobi optimistic? TravelSay.com 164 3,000 <-- end user magic again MassageWeb.com 605 700 PearlFunding.com 6 850 <-- machine cannot see the putative beauty in this name FatDrug.com 1,515 2,500 pzow.com 174 1,500 <-- EstiBot likes LLLL.coms but is conservative and it's good to remember that there is huge end user potential in LLLL's hks.mobi 236 210 BelleBella.com 430 995 aaaTunes.com 0 299 <--- who'da guessed? TelephoneBills.com 2,830 2,000 GlobalEye.com 920 4,000 PromotionalGames.com 1,475 250 r1.org 2,194 1,397 677.net 749 1,250 ylm.de 78 672 <-- .de is strong, but difficult to valuate, big variance YoungAthlete.com 2,687 300 <-- nice buy WhatMatters.net 6,633 1,000 ShareStory.com 5,737 1,888 GymMachine.com 3,237 1,000 MiniLaptops.com 662 1,000 YogaWeb.com 631 2,600 SpaceSystems.com 17,232 2,000 <-- amazing domain name a very good buy in this age of rocket boom and private space business LawyerSoftware.com 4,327 1,000 SchoolOfFinance.com 3,126 1,600 SecretaryJobs.com 9,271 3,000 <-- a very nice buy kazbah.net 31 488 bu0.com 321 260 xy4.com 500 412 studentenkredit.net 58 333 PimpedMyRide.com 451 398 fff0.com 151 151 <--- speechless OK, there is quite a bit of variance in this very short list. But when statistically tested, EstiBot reaches now a very high predictive value. Also, the next sale of the above names may well be closer to the EstiBot valuation I've tested the system on thousands of domains. When I look at the above list with its fluctuations, I am quite happy, it's just as can be expected for a short sample in this unpredictable world of domain sales. Here is another test from today, more in the high end range: rex.com 160,435 395,000 vn.com 110,440 100,000 part.com 674,645 100,000 15.com 236,935 100,000 amt.com 114,542 100,000 vodka.com 205,262 3,000,000 character.com 284,756 100,000 microwave.com 418,821 95,001 announce.com 18,133 90,000 06.com 90,898 80,000 moka.com 14,447 72,223 bcf.com 15,893 71,200 ofertas.com 15,694 76,214 kut.com 48,349 65,000 pat.com 131,345 63,000 pog.com 27,265 20,000 SpringBox.com 12,282 20,000 yule.com 14,917 20,000 freo.com 3,311 20,000 As a general comment to this, I'd say that EstiBot is very rarely wrong in determining the overall ballpark. If it says your domain is worth >10,000, a thorough human evaluation is definitely warranted. Also this demonstrates how high end domains are more predictable than low end domains. Anyway, there it is, enjoy! Please do report major malfunctions to me as it is still in beta Thanks and good luck Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans Last edited by Josh_1; 06-12-2007 at 05:08 PM.

06-12-2007, 02:16 PM	#58 (permalink)
bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,476	Is age included in the algorithm? EDIT: Also, is there a way you could do a mass lookup option. So I could look up all my domains at once? __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :) Last edited by bfluid; 06-12-2007 at 02:20 PM.

06-12-2007, 08:05 PM	#60 (permalink)
bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,476	bfluid is ashamed __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :)

06-13-2007, 05:33 PM	THREAD STARTER #61 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Beta v2.01 is up I am now busy updating with the fresh feedback from beta v2.0 coming in so don't be alarmed if there is some fluctuation in value. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 I will notify of algo updates by increasing the version number (left sidebar) as I go along. Fixed a number of things. Too tired to explain them all now, perhaps tomorrow. Thanks for testing and writing back. I feel that I'm getting there slowly... Edit: the backlink checker routine stopped working for some odd reason so expect too-low appraisals for existing sites....I'll try to fix it Edit: Phew, the backlink routine is up and running again __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans Last edited by Josh_1; 06-13-2007 at 11:36 PM.

06-14-2007, 10:35 AM	THREAD STARTER #62 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Many, many thanks to whoever took the time to test various word combos such as AdviseTo, AdvisorFor, GiveAdviceOn, and so on.... This helped me no end and I was able to fix the overvaluation of such names categorically! Thank you v2.03 is now live Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

06-18-2007, 03:50 PM	THREAD STARTER #63 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Just a notice that I've made a little update.. you can now click on the various keyword result categories on the results page, and quickly check google and yahoo for search results, backlinks, etc. Though this might make the results page more interactive and above all useful for your domain name research. Cheers, Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

06-18-2007, 03:52 PM	#64 (permalink)
bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,476	Thanks Josh! Ty Maier __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :)

06-18-2007, 03:58 PM	#65 (permalink)
-NC- Traveller Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Yet another city Posts: 1,419	I see you've updated the design as well - much better, except that it's too wide for my 1024x768 resolution! __________________ NameCooler.com

06-18-2007, 04:23 PM	THREAD STARTER #66 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Sorry - I made it narrower now. Any better? __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

06-19-2007, 01:18 PM	#69 (permalink)
Work In Progress Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sunnyvale Trailer Park Posts: 1,122	It was interesting to see that CelebrityVideos.mobi was valuated at reg fee and YourOpinions.info was valuated at $2,905.00. Where's the mobi-love? __________________ Our Mobile Sites \| Classic Commercials Was Sarah Palin a Bad Choice? \| Barack Obama Speeches Bid Now At TRAFFIC \|Why.mobi? Obama Mama \|Free Auto Insurance Quote \|Great Abs!

06-18-2007, 04:38 PM	#67 (permalink)
-NC- Traveller Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Yet another city Posts: 1,419	erm, it fits, but the "estibot.com" and "Free domain appraisal" is chopped off - and there's a small scroll bar at the bottom in the center. may i suggest firefox web developer toolbar? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60 You can add different resolutions to the "resize" bar and check very quickly what they will turn out like. alternatively just change your resolution and check __________________ NameCooler.com

06-19-2007, 12:46 AM	THREAD STARTER #68 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	THanks NameCodex I'll have a look at that toolbar. It's a major headache trying to make the page compatible with all browsers. Especially IE7 is causing grief. Once I get it right for Firefox and Safari, then IE7 is screwed and vice versa.... I always check it with Windows Firefox, IE7, and Mac Safari and Firefox, and with multiple resolutions. Still not always right... __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans

06-23-2007, 05:29 PM	THREAD STARTER #72 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	Pleased to release EstiBot BETA v2.1! The algo is nearly completely revised and some major new features. This took a lot of work....phew! New features: No more Capitalization -> automatic keyword detection now live! I'm secretly quite proud of accomplishing this with my meagre skills. You can still capitalize keywords if you wish to specify certain keywords, or are inputting international names. EstiBot mostly detects English keywords at this point. Will be adding support to more languages later. Linguistic analysis now improved. Unnatural word order in key terms are given more penalty, depending dynamically on their other attributes of course. EstiBot now more sensitive to natural language. 3character sales database has been updated and algo revised for more accuracy. Also LNL, NLN, L-L, and so on, are all appraised by category and other metrics. Typo domains are now automatically detected and the domains are valuated according to the assumed traffic value they get from the "mother site". This feature is very much in beta, but shows promise. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 General accuracy has been improved. I have just finished updating the sales db with 200 more sales, and when testing current algo against those, I was actually a bit impressed at the quality of the appraisals, if I do say so myself. It's also faster now. I've removed all mySQL database calls to speed up the process. No domain names are any more stored in the database, so your domain ideas are quite safe. Even I don't see them any more. Slowness of OVT is causing sluggish behavior, but that can't be helped at this point. I have other solutions on the horizon, but those cost money and first I need to cover the server costs. Please continue to beta test and give me feedback. I have only started with this thing, and will continue making it much better. Cheers! Josh __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans Last edited by Josh_1; 06-23-2007 at 05:34 PM.

06-23-2007, 09:09 PM	#73 (permalink)
ChrisChris NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 820	Great job John - definitily one of if not the best one on the net Just a concern, I put a domain in and got the valuation. I did it again about an hour later and it had changed Keep up the great work edit: It just changed again __________________ ★★★:o Free Domains? :o★★★ ★★★:o Free Domains? :o★★★ ]★★★:o Free Domains? :o★★★ ★★★:o Free Domains? :o★★★

06-25-2007, 10:29 AM	THREAD STARTER #75 (permalink)
estibot.com Developer of Estibot Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,945	V2.2 is up! Very pleased to release this update - EstiBot now features: - domain daily traffic estimate - shows you the Alexa rank - considers traffic stats in the algorithm! - algoritm updated now to unprecedented accur...erm....predictive power - valuation now rounded to nearest sensible number to emphasize that this is a ballpark valuation. In a way I hated to do this because in the latest testing I had quite a few very, very close matches with known sales... but overall I think this is a good thing. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=332276 Note please, I had to remove the "enter new domain" box because the damned script kept sending the same form over and over...I'll put it back there as soon as I figure out how to fix it.. Enjoy! __________________ FREE 40+ page eBook on Domain Development Download now! Start Your Own Domain Registration Business! Estibot Reseller Plans Last edited by Josh_1; 06-25-2007 at 10:32 AM.

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