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Old 05-19-2007, 02:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Reece
There will likely always -- or at least for the conceivable future be a market for the cell phone for $19.99 with a contract. I don't see these devices getting there anytime soon. But how many Americans, Canadians, Europeans, etc would not be willing to pay an extra $200-$300 and have a full blown computer? This thing could even wipe out the need for a laptop in due time.
I think the penetration of these devices will be really big when they become a truly viable replacement to the laptop. From a consumer perspective that is the budget with which they can self justify the expenditure as compared to the ever more capable $20 buck phone.
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I think the iPhone will do a lot to further this progression along because it is positioned as more of a consumer device vs a business device. An iPod on steroids (cool) vs a mini laptop (geek).
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I think the penetration of these devices will be really big when they become a truly viable replacement to the laptop. From a consumer perspective that is the budget with which they can self justify the expenditure as compared to the ever more capable $20 buck phone.
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I think the iPhone will do a lot to further this progression along because it is positioned as more of a consumer device vs a business device. An iPod on steroids (cool) vs a mini laptop (geek).
Exactly. Lots of us (myself included), could probably get by in our day quite conceivably with an iPhone + Wireless keyboard. I would know -- I've went many days on just my mini laptop -- it isn't annoying at all with a 640x480 screen to browse the web. Instant on is a definite plus also. Fully compatible with MS word -- I'm not a businessman, so I don't need anything else anyway
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With all these technological advances in medium sized devices, those that will come to market the soonest seem to target the laptop segment more so than the mobile phone segment.

I see it as small size price and convenience devices for the masses and medium price point and briefcase/pocketbook size devices for the 10-20% upper segment of the market.

There's room for all players, it's not A or B, it's A and B.
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Originally Posted by Reece
Exactly. Lots of us (myself included), could probably get by in our day quite conceivably with an iPhone + Wireless keyboard. I would know -- I've went many days on just my mini laptop -- it isn't annoying at all with a 640x480 screen to browse the web. Instant on is a definite plus also. Fully compatible with MS word -- I'm not a businessman, so I don't need anything else anyway
That will be a tough sell, especially since existing laptops are far more capable and pretty cheap and the ever improving "regular" cell phone is pretty good and costs as much as lunch.
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The one glitch in all of this is the CD/DVD. Those will need to become obsolete for laptops to go away. To some extent that is happening now for software in that I download most of the stuff I buy instead of getting a CD, but for entertainment I still get movies via DVD.

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There's room for all players, it's not A or B, it's A and B.
Yes, I totally agree with that and the capable products that are small and cheap will likely dominate in numbers.
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Originally Posted by acc
With all these technological advances in medium sized devices, those that will come to market the soonest seem to target the laptop segment more so than the mobile phone segment.
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I see it as small size price and convenience devices for the masses and medium price point and briefcase/pocketbook size devices for the 10-20% upper segment of the market.

There's room for all players, it's not A or B, it's A and B.
My first pda in 2002 weighed in at a whopping 6 ounces. Some of these devices are less than 9 ounces already. People intially thought there was room for PDA's and smartphones alike, but then people started to realize -- why would anyone want to carry a cell phone and a pda wherever they went if they could carry just one of them that did both tasks?

I see the same thing here... As the technology advances -- why would anyone want to carry around a cell phone and a laptop?

No doubt, with time this thing will destroy the laptop market. Some of the devices, such as the OQO can even be dropped into custom made laptop "skins" which turn the little UMPC into a full fledged laptop.
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Every one here that thinks the UMPC is new raise their hand?

Thought so.

It has been on the market for about 2 years now. I think in comparison it has been a dismal flop. I don't know the exact number of sales but I personally have NEVER seen one being used.

I see thousands of cell phones in used daily. I see hundreds of laptops in use daily. I see hundreds of PDA's in use daily. The UMPC is an upscale PDA. Sure it can do a little more. It has more memory.

We're talking about "how many people have heard of mobi?"

There's a twist...how many people have heard of UMPC? Shocker!

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At some point too, we will communicate without devices of any type...
Yelo is advancing that technology as we speak...er, think.
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Every one here that thinks the UMPC is new raise their hand?

Thought so.

It has been on the market for about 2 years now. I think in comparison it has been a dismal flop. I don't know the exact number of sales but I personally have NEVER seen one being used.
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I see thousands of cell phones in used daily. I see hundreds of laptops in use daily. I see hundreds of PDA's in use daily. The UMPC is an upscale PDA. Sure it can do a little more. It has more memory.

We're talking about "how many people have heard of mobi?"

There's a twist...how many people have heard of UMPC? Shocker!
Buddy, do you have no recollection of history whatsoever? Was the PC a "hit" in the 70s? IBM thought it was a waste of time...

Was the cell phone a "hit" in the mid 90s?

Were smartphones a "hit" in the 2000-2003 timeframe?

It takes time for things to catch on -- consumer awareness + technological advances, both of which will happen.

Only a fool would suggest UMPC's will be a "flop" in the future.
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Originally Posted by Rochemontagne
Are there cell towers near the Appalachian Trail? I live in Colorado and most of the mountainous forest areas do not have cell towers so cell phones are useless.
Applachian trail extends from Maine to Georgia...damn long hike. Towers are in the areas with the exception of the most absolute remote points, which is not many. No matter where you are, there is most likely a point somewhere nearby that has a signal. Albeit weak.

Now, Colorado... Those are MOUNTAINS compared to these molehills on the east coast. Needless to say, the more remote and less accessible an area is there are no towers...until they figure out how to carry one and spike it into the ground from the air.

Sat phones? Pricey, but not useless anywhere at all. Got sky? Got signal.

Originally Posted by Reece
Only a fool would suggest UMPC's will be a "flop" in the future.
Did I say UMPC's are a flop for the future? No. UMPC's are a flop now...present tense.

New packing, new packaging, slimmer size. Going through a face lift to pump up sales. Sales that are not happening thanks to all the cell phone innovations and technology.

The future will have something...but nothing what we have now...

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Then along comes iPhone. Turn it vertical, horizontal. Talk, scroll, browse, connect, talk, text, touch. Keypad?

Where is the Microsoft Touchpack software released a couple of years ago? That software that was to render keyboards useless?

Ford had Ford, Lincoln, and Edsel. One is gone, one is on the way out, one is in trouble. Ford thought everybody needed one or the other. Ford thought in order to gain a larger market share it was best if they came out with more offerings.

Microsoft is becoming the Ford of the industry. They think everyone needs something with the Microsoft branding on it. And they certainly have the capital and the clout to roll out product after product and offering after offering. Just because Microsoft puts their name on it does not mean that it is a surefire winner all the time.

Yes, still powerful and a giant. But they also remind me of a restaurant menu that changes daily...Sir, would you like to hear about our daily specials or just look at the menu.

I would love to see a UMPC. Is BEST BUY or CIRCUIT CITY selling them? What do you think is going to fly off the shelves next month? What do you think is going to have people standing in line? What do you think is going to have people wanting more and more choices and accessories?

It ain't an iPod but its marketed by Jobs and not Gates.
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reece,
you are nothing if not passionate

and you are dead right, these umpc's and pda phones are the future ....for about 10% of the population ...max

i don't care if they cost $0.0 on a 3-year contract

businesspeople will carry them and geeks will carry them ... but that's it !!

nobody else wants to lug these fat suckers around .....

that leaves you about 10% of the population

read the numbers 22 million pda's a year vs. one _billion_ cellphones that's 3% of the market

it is certainly true that steve jobs has gotten rich off 3 % of the pc market but not as rich as dell and gates who sell their stuff to the masses

your thinking like a geek man, not that there's anything wrong with that

for the record i started surfing the web on a palm pilot IIIc and it's little 28k modem back in god knows when, it was _fun_ but it sure wasn't useful

i read that stuff about cinnamon a few months back by the way and now i douse my cereal with it every morning
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i tried melatonin but it gave me weird dreams (i was being eaten by umpc's in one of them)
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reece,
you are nothing if not passionate

and you are dead right, these umpc's and pda phones are the future ....for about 10% of the population ...max

i don't care if they cost $0.0 on a 3-year contract

businesspeople will carry them and geeks will carry them ... but that's it !!

nobody else wants to lug these fat suckers around .....

that leaves you about 10% of the population

read the numbers 22 million pda's a year vs. one _billion_ cellphones that's 3% of the market

it is certainly true that steve jobs has gotten rich off 3 % of the pc market but not as rich as dell and gates who sell their stuff to the masses

your thinking like a geek man, not that there's anything wrong with that

for the record i started surfing the web on a palm pilot IIIc and it's little 28k modem back in god knows when, it was _fun_ but it sure wasn't useful

i read that stuff about cinnamon a few months back by the way and now i douse my cereal with it every morning

i tried melatonin but it gave me weird dreams (i was being eaten by umpc's in one of them)
Hehe melatonin's been known to do some weird shit Good stuff though. I had a dream about drowning in the ocean yesterday, and somehow I was enjoying it -- weird shit lol.

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As for geeks, yes you're right. But geeks seem to be one thing increasing exponentially. I've seen more "geek chicks" in the last couple years, than in the last decade combined... And Apple (AAPL) stock has exploded in the last few years as more and more geeks voraciously consume (no relation to your dream ) their offerings.

I really regret not investing in Apple... I was seriously considering it back when they announced the transition to Windows... Was really hard to tell at the time how Apple fanatics would embrace the change though, and I was worried they might lose a large portion of their clientele switching over to Wintel.
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Hehe melatonin's been known to do some weird shit Good stuff though. I had a dream about drowning in the ocean yesterday, and somehow I was enjoying it -- weird shit lol.

As for geeks, yes you're right. But geeks seem to be one thing increasing exponentially. I've seen more "geek chicks" in the last couple years, than in the last decade combined... And Apple (AAPL) stock has exploded in the last few years as more and more geeks voraciously consume (no relation to your dream ) their offerings.
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I really regret not investing in Apple... I was seriously considering it back when they announced the transition to Windows... Was really hard to tell at the time how Apple fanatics would embrace the change though, and I was worried they might lose a large portion of their clientele switching over to Wintel.
now we are in complete agreement ....i am a little too old for most of them but you are right there are a lot more geek girls around than ever before and they will influence their peers

i am a recovered apple cultist having owned them since the mac plus ... steve jobs is a genius and has grown the market share of the desktop mac considerably in the last few years, he has made lot's of money with 3% of the market....i remember back a few years ago apple was at 14 and there was a saudi billionaire prince who bought 300 million dollars worth of stock saying he believed in the company, since apple is now pushing 140 he has 3 billion on his hands for his faith in apple

i keep reading that the iphone is the most significant consumer electronic launch ........ ever

i will look with interest to see how it does and who buys it

they are up against microsoft who have their os in many different form factors and designs which gives them greater flexibility

and for the record, i am a geek and i would _certainly_ buy a umpc to lug around
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i am a recovered apple cultist having owned them since the mac plus ...
Did you switch to the dark side?
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Sadly, I predate your mac plus with an original 128k version in '84. It was the shiznit at the time!
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I remember programming on a commodore 64 when I was a kid.

Oh man...remember those tape drives that came with them?

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Sadly, I predate your mac plus with an original 128k version in '84. It was the shiznit at the time!
yes, i got thrown out of the cult but a year ago returned with the intel imac which has to be greatest pc ever made
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did you keep your 128 ?
i think you could ebay it for a boatload of cash

i don't even want to _think_ of what that thing cost you back in 84
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Originally Posted by Reece

I'm not a hater... I'm a realist. Mtld needs to act fast, or else we may all be using devices like that, only cell phone sized in a few years.


And don't forget industry pioneer OQO -- www.oqo.com (also included in the link just above).
.mobi DEAD? are you serious... im not a hater!?! It seems you dont like .mobi .. thats fine.. but the fact remains .mobi is the King of Mobile Internet Access.. just like .com when it was declared it will be the KING of desktops...
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its a simple matter of math... you may have the money to purchase these devices you like to point out... but the truth can't be rejected and ignored... the people of this world who can't own a desktop or any other device... will soon be able to own a low cost cell phone and have access to the world wide web... the world market is shifting left from so called mini desktops... its to expensive...

in the near future... cell phone plans will be available for free... paid by ads... more and more people in eastern europe / asia / india will have more of their population accessing the world wide web with cell phones...

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Originally Posted by DomainTower
.mobi DEAD? are you serious... im not a hater!?! It seems you dont like .mobi .. thats fine.. but the fact remains .mobi is the King of Mobile Internet Access.. just like .com when it was declared it will be the KING of desktops...

its a simple matter of math... you may have the money to purchase these devices you like to point out... but the truth can't be rejected and ignored... the people of this world who can't own a desktop or any other device... will soon be able to own a low cost cell phone and have access to the world wide web... the world market is shifting left from so called mini desktops... its to expensive...
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in the near future... cell phone plans will be available for free... paid by ads... more and more people in eastern europe / asia / india will have more of their population accessing the world wide web with cell phones...

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.mobi DEAD? are you serious... im not a hater!?! It seems you dont like .mobi .. thats fine.. but the fact remains .mobi is the King of Mobile Internet Access.. just like .com when it was declared it will be the KING of desktops...

its a simple matter of math... you may have the money to purchase these devices you like to point out... but the truth can't be rejected and ignored... the people of this world who can't own a desktop or any other device... will soon be able to own a low cost cell phone and have access to the world wide web... the world market is shifting left from so called mini desktops... its to expensive...

in the near future... cell phone plans will be available for free... paid by ads... more and more people in eastern europe / asia / india will have more of their population accessing the world wide web with cell phones...

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You present an interesting point -- free phones supported by ads. I think it's quite conceivable in wealthier nations in the near future. Not really a point in giving a phone to a poor chap from Uzbekistan though.
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Yeahhhh..........I really can't see devices like this destroying .mobi. Why? Because standard cell phones aren't going anywhere anytime soon...and that's exactly the market at which .mobi is aimed at.

Technology is allowing electronics to be made smaller and more portable all the time:

PC's > Laptops
Laptops > UMPC's
Chunky MP3 Players > Slim iPods
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Chunky cell phones > Smaller, more portable cell phones

...and now you're suggesting that we suddenly go the opposite direction and move toward chunky PDA's and smart phones? Some may, but the vast majority of normal consumers will not. The fact is that most people own and will continue to buy small, light, portable, and inexpensive phones rather than Blackberrys, iPhones, etc. $200-600 is way out of the price range of the average user.

So I'll say it again...none of these fancy pancy devices can do diddlysquat against .mobi. It goes against both history and common sense.
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Yeahhhh..........I really can't see devices like this destroying .mobi. Why? Because standard cell phones aren't going anywhere anytime soon...and that's exactly the market at which .mobi is aimed at.
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Technology is allowing electronics to be made smaller and more portable all the time:

PC's > Laptops
Laptops > UMPC's
Chunky MP3 Players > Slim iPods
Chunky cell phones > Smaller, more portable cell phones

...and now you're suggesting that we suddenly go the opposite direction and move toward chunky PDA's and smart phones? Some may, but the vast majority of normal consumers will not. The fact is that most people own and will continue to buy small, light, portable, and inexpensive phones rather than Blackberrys, iPhones, etc. $200-600 is way out of the price range of the average user.

So I'll say it again...none of these fancy pancy devices can do diddlysquat against .mobi. It goes against both history and common sense.
One counter argument: $200 is NOT out of the average person's budget. The iPod has proved that.
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Glad to be part of the .mobi board... I was one of the few, who expressed my thoughts on .mobi early in the game... and was told my knowledge and assumption of the dot mobi market is false and unaceptable... LOL More and more corporations and individuals are branding/developing their dot mobis... not once, since the .com & .org rush have I seen developments from around the globe taking effect so fast... more and more I read on the news of new developments for the dot mobi market... its a positive sign that those of us who made the investment will only gain extra $$$$$$$...
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its to early in the game to point fingers... give it another 5-8 years.. just like the .com - the market will suprise you...

most of you will loose a lot of hair... Quote "Why DID I not pay attention to the Dot Mobi Group, when I had a chance"

Unfortunately, my bad assumption in the game was not to purchase lll.mobis ... and purchase generic and two word premiums... either way.. i made the right choice... i purchased words... guranteed to make me $100 000 US minimum.

5-8 years from now, my portfolio will have a value of $1 000 000 US.

Developing is a great idea, but to early now to get involved for myself... i plan to develop few of my dot mobis... i can promise you one alone has the market locked on by the neck... guranteed to profit near the mid millions.

Like I mentioned, its only a matter of time. The few critics now, will not like or engage the dot mobi market... everyone is their own universe. In the end, you are to blame only YOURSELF

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Glad to be part of the .mobi board... I was one of the few, who expressed my thoughts on .mobi early in the game... and was told my knowledge and assumption of the dot mobi market is false and unaceptable... LOL More and more corporations and individuals are branding/developing their dot mobis... not once, since the .com & .org rush have I seen developments from around the globe taking effect so fast... more and more I read on the news of new developments for the dot mobi market... its a positive sign that those of us who made the investment will only gain extra $$$$$$$...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=329537

its to early in the game to point fingers... give it another 5-8 years.. just like the .com - the market will suprise you...

most of you will loose a lot of hair... Quote "Why DID I not pay attention to the Dot Mobi Group, when I had a chance"

Unfortunately, my bad assumption in the game was not to purchase lll.mobis ... and purchase generic and two word premiums... either way.. i made the right choice... i purchased words... guranteed to make me $100 000 US minimum.

5-8 years from now, my portfolio will have a value of $1 000 000 US.

Developing is a great idea, but to early now to get involved for myself... i plan to develop few of my dot mobis... i can promise you one alone has the market locked on by the neck... guranteed to profit near the mid millions.

Like I mentioned, its only a matter of time. The few critics now, will not like or engage the dot mobi market... everyone is their own universe. In the end, you are to blame only YOURSELF

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.org rush?

There's only a handful of names on the market that I'd characterize as a guaranteed $100,000.

You present some good points, but I really don't think anyone, other than a scant few, should be going around suggesting their portfolio will be worth millions in a particular timeframe.
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One counter argument: $200 is NOT out of the average person's budget. The iPod has proved that.
How many $200 phones do you see in the public? Not near as many as the average phone I doubt.
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My domains are not based on random words... they each average 500K in overture with out the ext. That is only one part of the 10 things that is guranteed to sell for a premium price.
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How many $200 phones do you see in the public? Not near as many as the average phone I doubt.
How many $200 iPods do you see? iPhone = "iPod on steroids" to quote a fellow Nper.
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But this isn't a UMPC anyway, so it shouldn't negatively impact .mobi in any way, unless Jobs starts going out publicly denouncing .mobi...

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My domains are not based on random words... they each average 500K in overture with out the ext. That is only one part of the 10 things that is guranteed to sell for a premium price.
OVT doesn't mean diddly squat. We still do not know how computer usage will translate into cellular usage. I've made a thread in this forum for people to share names that don't appear mobile at first.

Are your names mobile in nature or presumably useful to the mobile market? SpicyFood.mobi has a very high OVT, I don't see that fetching $100,00+ anytime soon.
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I agree, thats why most of my protfolio is social network related domains. My portfolio is only structured for the mobile industry.. there is no point registering a domain like ChristmasLights.mobi - YOU dont need to explain that to me.

The fact remains, I'm in this game for the long run. Majority of dot mobi buyers are not experienced domainers. They are the new generation domainers, who purchase anything that sounds cool or vauable in their mind. With no experience in the field, we have seen the rush hit 500K dot mobis. I bet money, 80% of the registrations are worthless random words, combined and thought it would make $$$. The fact is, many of you will loose a lot of money.

If a mobile related domain averages 500K in overture. The math shows, that 500K will only multiply 4 times more. 2 million users will access the mobile internet for the same purpose.

Only in the future, they will have a faster access to what they want. Insted of driving, walking, running to a near desktop to get access to the info. They will have instant answer to their mobile relate shopping/surfing/ecommerce.

Since .mobi is the first of its kind.. The CREATOR/LORD of mobile extension.... than history is repeating itself....only this time we are shifting left. When .com was launched... the same argument was said... your domains will be worth $$$... only 10 years later... those who were smart enough averaged $1 million in revenue a month, anual, yearly.

It only makes sense, for the human civilization to shift closer to the world wide web. It's the GATEWAY to the Virtual World. It was not long ago, when we used pigeons to get our emails to friends, family,etc. Since the crash, Area 51. We have witnessed the evolution of Microchips.... the future is virtual...

virtual = mobile devices that will beem you up to the moon
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3000 to 10K investment is a start. One domain will pay for it all.
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