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Old 05-19-2007, 03:58 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by acc
The specific June 1st date mentioned by someone else is an artificial, assumed, specific date. There was no promise of a specific date. I can already envision that some here will use ANY slippage off of THEIR expected 6/1/07 - high noon sharp or else date to again jump all over the mtld organization, RFP process, .mobi extension, and those who truely believe in the viability of .mobi in providing a clean, new way to brand and promote the emerging mobile web.
Actually, Acc ... it was you that stated Mr. Pinky would be here by "next week" (I was being nice in giving an extra week, say by June 1st, to allow some flexibility in returning from (the sleepy) DomainFest, etc)!

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Originally Posted by labrocca
Currently I am uploading a few hundred files and updating about 30 sites and posting isn't taking up too much time while I wait for FTP to complete. So don't assume too much. I probably am one of the most active developers on this site.
just... wow! Can I meet you on my next Vegas visit?? Please?? I mean, you know and do so much!! Maybe some of your 'gifts' will rub off on me. I don't know why you changed to 'the spoon', because the other was so much more deserving of you.
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Originally Posted by Jeff
I was being nice in giving an extra week, say by June 1st, to allow some flexibility in returning from (the sleepy) DomainFest, etc)!
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I'd be pretty tired after all that action too... Geez, cut the guy some slack
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Originally Posted by Reece
My antioxidants.mobi site is up to about 40 pages of content created by me -- and people say I should develop and shut up...

Funny, most of the sites I've seen in .mobi are 10 minute jobs, tops -- and they pretend they're these big time developers. Note the word most -- some of you have inspired me with what you've created, while others seem to have just put up sites so that they can claim to be developers.
Reese, ??? You build 'one' site that is specialized, which as you've noted all your other names relate to and will point to it, and you knock those that bought multiple generics etc, and have put up multiple sites, 'to the benefit of the .mobi extension', and you call them 'claim to be developers'!??!?! How far up north in Canada are you??
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
Reese, ??? You build 'one' site that is specialized, which as you've noted all your other names relate to and will point to it, and you knock those that bought multiple generics etc, and have put up multiple sites, 'to the benefit of the .mobi extension', and you call them 'claim to be developers'!??!?! How far up north in Canada are you??
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
Reese, ??? You build 'one' site that is specialized, which as you've noted all your other names relate to and will point to it, and you knock those that bought multiple generics etc, and have put up multiple sites, 'to the benefit of the .mobi extension', and you call them 'claim to be developers'!??!?! How far up north in Canada are you??
Pretty south actually
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What I'm talking about is the little 10 minute jobs I've seen people do and claim they're developers -- not the people like Vcool, Michael, and similar initiatives from people I'm not aware of.

If I turned antioxidants.mobi into a search engine for antioxidants, I'd hardly call that a developed site.
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Originally Posted by Reece
Pretty south actually
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What I'm talking about is the little 10 minute jobs I've seen people do and claim they're developers -- not the people like Vcool, Michael, and similar initiatives from people I'm not aware of.

If I turned antioxidants.mobi into a search engine for antioxidants, I'd hardly call that a developed site.
No, but I'd call it 'only one site' to the not-so-big-of-a-benefit to the mobi extension that you ridicule mtld for not doing more on.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
No, but I'd call it 'only one site' to the not-so-big-of-a-benefit to the mobi extension that you ridicule mtld for not doing more on.
Well, to be frank -- I didn't build the site to help the mobi extension to begin with. I'm building the site to provide a convenient way to get nutritional information and antioxidant information at the same site -- something I haven't seen made readily available on the internet as of yet.
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Of course -- if .mobi takes off, that would make it alot cheaper for me in the end -- much lower marketing costs.
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Whatever your intents for the site are, to knock the sites and builders of, for not being as extensive and meaningful as yours, and then admit you're not even building your own site!!, is just plain reckless, insulting and plain juvenile. Especially as you quip that noone will know about mobi if mtld doesn't start promoting more!! You change pov's and replies on things faster than our Attorney General!!!
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
Whatever your intents for the site are, to knock the sites and builders of, for not being as extensive and meaningful as yours, and then admit you're not even building your own site!!, is just plain reckless, insulting and plain juvenile. Especially as you quip that noone will know about mobi if mtld doesn't start promoting more!! You change pov's and replies on things faster than our Attorney General!!!
And you have the reading abilities of a 3 year old... Where on EARTH did I say I wasn't developing my own site? I typed in every single line of code on my site by hand, myself - with a bit of help from people more knowledgeable than me when it comes to xhtml-mp.
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And, I haven't changed my point of view once. Lastly, I have no clue who your attorney general is, but I sure hope he has better reading skills than you. If not, perhaps that's why he's so slow.
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Originally Posted by Reece
And you have the reading abilities of a 3 year old... Where on EARTH did I say I wasn't developing my own site? I typed in every single line of code on my site by hand, myself - with a bit of help from people more knowledgeable than me when it comes to xhtml-mp.
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And, I haven't changed my point of view once. Lastly, I have no clue who your attorney general is, but I sure hope he has better reading skills than you. If not, perhaps that's why he's so slow.
You're right, I was reading too many things at the same time, and confused 'who' built your site. Either way I repeat - "to knock the sites and builders of, for not being as extensive and meaningful as yours, .... is just plain reckless, insulting and plain juvenile. Especially as you quip that noone will know about mobi if mtld doesn't start promoting more!!
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You're right, I was reading too many things at the same time, and confused 'who' built your site. Either way I repeat - "to knock the sites and builders of, for not being as extensive and meaningful as yours, .... is just plain reckless, insulting and plain juvenile. Especially as you quip that noone will know about mobi if mtld doesn't start promoting more!!
I only went there because people have started bashing me, Jeff, Labrocca, et al. because they claim we aren't developing and just wasting time talking.
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All I was pointing out -- some of the people who claim that "we're just talking trash" have actually developed less than we have. That's a fact, look around.
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Originally Posted by Reece
I only went there because people have started bashing me, Jeff, Labrocca, et al. because they claim we aren't developing and just wasting time talking.
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All I was pointing out -- some of the people who claim that "we're just talking trash" have actually developed less than we have. That's a fact, look around.
Sorry, but 'one site' is just that 'one site'!! Glad you can develop and spend all day or whatever to do so. However a lot of the mobi buyers, and most all domain buyers, don't, and even less are developers. So for you to pat 'yourself' on the back as a leading or steadfast mobi developer is pompus. Why not offer your 'developing skills' to others and help get the mobi ecosysyem (whatever the f that is) going. You spend a lot of time ragging on things, but I don't hear much of your contributions. And as proud as you may be of your antioxidants.mobi, I don't see that site being a forerunner in getting mobi off and running. JMO.
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Sorry, but 'one site' is just that 'one site'!! Glad you can develop and spend all day or whatever to do so. However a lot of the mobi buyers, and most all domain buyers, don't, and even less are developers. So for you to pat 'yourself' on the back as a leading or steadfast mobi developer is pompus. Why not offer your 'developing skills' to others and help get the mobi ecosysyem (whatever the f that is) going. You spend a lot of time ragging on things, but I don't hear much of your contributions. And as proud as you may be of your antioxidants.mobi, I don't see that site being a forerunner in getting mobi off and running. JMO.
Some of us have different intentions than others -- does that make our intentions necessarily wrong? I never said I was a "great developer", or anything of that nature. I just said that flaming me, Jeff, Labrocca, et al is a little lame when we've built more sites or more content-rich sites than many of the people flaming us. That sir, is a fact.
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I couldn't care less if antioxidants.mobi is a forerunner or not. I'm not building the site to "get rich quick". I'm building the site because it's what I'm interested in, and if I can help people make some healthier choices in life that allow them to live a longer, healthier life, GREAT. If I can monetize it at some point, that's great too, but that isn't my primary intention.
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So to sum it up, you don't really have any 'vested' interest in the success of .mobi per se, as you have what you really wanted - the domain 'Anitoxidants' at a 'not .com price'! Yet, you knock others developing skills, and continuosly rag on and knock mtld on it's business practices... because ... what ... you don't have toys or games to play at home? I'm just curious, as you strongly state opinions on the course this extension must take to be successful, and yet you build one site, (that will work on pc's and mobiles so it won't matter if mobi is successful or not) to contribute to that ecosystem thing, and then point out you only 'care about helping people live longer' through your site. Wouldn't putting more effort into promotion in the real world, not a forum, be a better solution to that??
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Seems LOTS of use of F-words, thread hijackings, spam, and other obvious frustrations being exhibited lately from the most loyal of the mTLD / .MOBI Enthusiasts™, IMHO.

There is a LOT at stake here for the future viability of the extension ... and on topic here, both the mishandlings of the four (4) initial RFP's -and- complete lack of communications, as promised (and specifically here at the .MOBI Forum© ) by mTLD / Mr. Pinky, have no doubt seriously slowed new domain registrations and then aftermarket activities, as well. Developments, I'm sure, have stalled ... as I know personally I'm not going to invest (past, present, and future vested interest) any more of my own time, energy, and money if mTLD can't even do - or at least explain - similarly!

With that in mind, I wish you all the very best ... and I guess we'll just see what we see on or before June 1st, IMHO. It's ashame, really ... as these VERY important items (RFP's, browser defaults, specifics with regard to the "backers", extent of any consumer awareness campaigns, our member's voluminous questions, etc.) and OPEN COMMUNICATIONS could have easily been addressed, at one point, promptly and professionally. Instead, it would seem ... these critical items have been overlooked at best, and at worst ... ignored!

On a personal note, I have a Birthday and Anniversary coming up in the next two weeks ... and, frankly, I have better things to be doing during this period (though I may check in and offer my humble two sense as I see fit)!
Good Luck to all, be well, and I repeat - DIVERSIFY - Do Not put all of your eggs into one .MOBI Basket™, IMHO. For those of you in which this may be too late ... continue with your developments, exchange ideas & opinuions and learn from these mistakes, and demand answers by those you believe made you promises! Remember, one-sided unbalanced H.Y.P.E. is not ever healthy!
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
So to sum it up, you don't really have any 'vested' interest in the success of .mobi per se, as you have what you really wanted - the domain 'Anitoxidants' at a 'not .com price'! Yet, you knock others developing skills, and continuosly rag on and knock mtld on it's business practices... because ... what ... you don't have toys or games to play at home? I'm just curious, as you strongly state opinions on the course this extension must take to be successful, and yet you build one site, (that will work on pc's and mobiles so it won't matter if mobi is successful or not) to contribute to that ecosystem thing, and then point out you only 'care about helping people live longer' through your site. Wouldn't putting more effort into promotion in the real world, not a forum, be a better solution to that??
You're partly right -- I do have what I wanted, antioxidants.mobi at a not .com price. And yes, I intentionally developed it so that it's success will not depend on .mobi -- that's smart business IMO. BTW, look at who owns intel.cc. A smart individual invests in the extension regardless, because you can't afford to miss out if it takes off. But would I put all my eggs in one basket, so to speak? Not a chance. And that's why I designed my site the way I did. It looks fine on phones, but at the same time, one could easily realize the site was designed with PC's in mind. Why the hell would I turn my back on such a large market?
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As for promotion, my site is only about 5% done at present. I have much more ambition for my site than many I've seen, regardless of the extension. I want to develop a "mobile Wikipedia" eventually, for all matters health/nutrition related, however it will all be source from experts with PHD's -- not kids in their parents basements pretending they have PHD's.

I see no reason to promote my site when it isn't complete. It's stupid to invite people to come to a site which has 20+ broken links, consisting of pages I plan on adding over the next week, a missing sections on every type of antioxidant, other than those found in fruits.

What I do here is none of your business. Just because I really haven't staked anything in the .mobi extension up to now, does not mean I wouldn't if I liked what I saw. An intelligent investor weighs his options carefully. Just because something sounds like a sell or hold right now, it doesn't mean it won't be a buy in the future. I carefully consider my options, and carefully evaluate them. Right now, investing in energy seems better than a junk bond (.mobi), or should we call it a high yield bond?

If the risks associated with a substantial investment in .mobi change, so may my opinion, and my investment in the extension. I spent $6000 on names to redirect to my antioxidants.mobi site, so perhaps you could say I do have a vested interest in seeing .mobi succeed...
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Actually, Acc ... it was you that stated Mr. Pinky would be here by "next week" (I was being nice in giving an extra week, say by June 1st, to allow some flexibility in returning from (the sleepy) DomainFest, etc)!
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There seems to be some confusion on your part. Two different subject threads. Let me help.

This thread was started by Boca regarding a response from mtld about RFPs:

Originally Posted by Boca
"First and foremost, let me clarify that there is no big mystery surrounding the delay in announcing the RFP winners and we expect to have some news on that front within the next couple of weeks. .......
Posted by: Caroline Greer | May 18, 2007 at 12:41"
Shortly after we saw post #31 in this thread with the first mention of June 1st:
Originally Posted by Jeff
They dropped the ball on this RFP process ... and as I've been saying since Day One, mTLD is seriously up against the clock to the "M Dots" and other technological and branding / marketing advances that are surely coming for the burgeoning Mobile Web, IMHO.

I hope additional insight and clarification is forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!

Thanks much.
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The exact "June 1st" date referred to above was not specifcally promised by anyone - it was your response in reference to the mtld release of news on the RFPs to be addressed in a "couple of weeks" - that is the subject of this thread. I just assumed you added literally a couple weeks to 6/18 and came up with 7/1.

The "next week" (i.e., week of 6/21-22) I referred to in that other thread that you cited was the date that Inod said that Mr. Pinky Brand of mtld would probably be visiting us. We'll have to keep an eye on that thread for any updates.

I look forward to reading the updates from mtld when they are able to provide them.

Hope this clears up any confusion.

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As for promotion, my site is only about 5% done at present. I have much more ambition for my site than many I've seen, ....I see no reason to promote my site when it isn't complete. It's stupid to invite people to come to a site which has 20+ broken links,
But mtld should be doing such 'now' even if they ran into some bumps, because it was their original intent???

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What I do here is none of your business.
I don't really think or care about what you do, so that is fine!!

Originally Posted by Reece
Just because something sounds like a sell or hold right now, it doesn't mean it won't be a buy in the future. I carefully consider my options, and carefully evaluate them.
And passing on google at $85, and waiting til it proved itself at $486, was the 'smart' investor thing to do.
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I spent $6000 on names to redirect to my antioxidants.mobi site, so perhaps you could say I do have a vested interest in seeing .mobi succeed...
But as your site will work whether you had .mobi or .cc, mobi's success really doesn't play in your scenerio.
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But mtld should be doing such 'now' even if they ran into some bumps, because it was their original intent???
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I don't really think or care about what you do, so that is fine!!

And passing on google at $85, and waiting til it proved itself at $486, was the 'smart' investor thing to do.

But as your site will work whether you had .mobi or .cc, mobi's success really doesn't play in your scenerio.
I actually bought Google at $120 a share. Comparing it to Yahoo, it seemed like a very good deal to me at the time.

As for my vested interest -- more .mobi usage means more type-ins for me. Believe it or not, antioxidants, herbs, and supplements are big business. My health names collectively have approximately 1.5 million total Overture and 40,000 Wordtracker. That's extra free traffic for me if .mobi takes off.
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Believe it or not, antioxidants, herbs, and supplements are big business.
interesting antioxidants article here -
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Hawk and Reece - you guys oughtta harness some of that energy and work on your respective projects. Brainstorm your other .mobi names with that same passion. I'm sure that iroses.mobi can be branded/developed successfully and we already see that the content for antioxidants is well on its way.

Seems to me that audio forums might be better than typed posts in sorting out disagreements and misunderstandings.

You both have a stake in the success of .mobi. Remember that.
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http://thepumphandle.wordpress.com/2...s-uncertainty/
Yes, I read that one on LEF.org awhile back.

The main thing the public -- and even a large portion of the scientific community has yet to realize, is that tocopherols and retinols are not very good antioxidants. Ascorbic acid often acts as a prooxidant without sufficient glutathione and uric acid intake. This stuff is alot more complicated than alot of these scientists and mainstream journalists attempt to make it out to be.

My goal is to simplify this information so that the average person can understand how to properly interpret ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) and TE/g (Trolox Equivalentes per gram) data and use this information to benefit them.

We know that different antioxidants act in different ways... In vivo and in vitro are 2 very different things... Sometimes it's very difficult to assess the effects of animal studies and apply them to humans.

But, there are several things we do know...

1. Cinnamon lowers insulin levels.
2. Metformin lowers insulin levels and increases lifespans.
3. Racetam family nootropics can greatly increase lifespan, intelligence, and memory.
4. Cocoa (epicatechin) greatly reduces the risk of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and stroke.
5. EGCG is an excellent thermogenic and potent anti-cancer agent
6. Melatonin is extremely important for health, perhaps more important than anything else -- your parents were right about sleep being important!
7. Overexpressions of catalase greatly extend the lifespan of animals

These aren't points -- these are facts. Once mainstream "science" stops trying to cure and starts working on prevention, they'll realize how important some of these phytochemicals are for the sake of everyone's health.
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Ascorbic acid often acts as a prooxidant without sufficient glutathione and uric acid intake.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Man you know a lot about this stuff. In a perfect world that's the kind of ownership of every domain in every extension should have to make the web more than 80% parking lot / 20% content. Of course subject-knowledgeable persons (and many businesses) do not realize the true value of good domains. That schooling is ongoing.
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