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Old 05-19-2007, 01:14 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Reece
It wasn't all that related really. My post could easily relate to 10+ posts and I was way too lazy to quote them all, so I just quoted yours for the "Bifus part" of my article, so people can see your differing point of view -- one which I accept as a possibility.
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your true feelings shine through more and more each and every day.
The more we press him on his points (or lack thereof), the more his shiny shell of so-called "professionalism" starts to show cracks...and he can't help but come out and say directly what he's been hinting at all along. I think his sig's "P.S." really says it all.
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It's good to see they wasted little time in responding.

I think they realize they only have one chance at doing this right and holding themselves to strict deadline's before they are ready would/could be a grave error.

This still doesn't explain why they would miss multiple "scheduled" appearances here at NP's with their Greatest Supporters, but they seem to be more focused on the RFP process at this time as they should be.
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the big picture is that this whole rfp thing has never been done before!

sure they had expectations, but being the first time they, or anyone for that matter, have done such a process no one really knew how smoothly the system would work. if they learned anything, the most important thing is to under promise and over deliver ... don't set a timetable that might not be attainable with future rfps.

on a side note ... i do hope they learned a way to streamline their processes during their initial rfp rollout, so future rfps can become an ongoing automated dealio.
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Post bait...that's all any of it is. It is just troll post bait. The more you feed it the more it posts.

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If you just Shut the F up and refrain from replying (even I'm guilty - like right now) then the theory is the troll will move along to some other poor saps thread.

Let's see how well all of you do by NOT replying next time. My troll guard is UP.
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Jeff, In regards to your P.S. :
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"PS. What happened to .MOBI?!?!"

This could be interpreted by some as taunting, blatant disregard or simple lack of professionalism. Really Jeff, could you give us a name to the game that you play here in this mobi forum. It is certainly not altruism that you practice so ardently. In my opinion, that P.S. of yours is a cheap shot below the belt!
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.Mobi is just an extension like any other. The only thing that matters is what is on the page that people visit. It does not matter if its a .com, .tv, or .mobi.

Maybe you guys should spend as much time on developing and promoting your names instead of arguing and bickering over stupid nonsense about the future of mobi, mtld this, mtld that.

mTLD is doing what they have to do as a business and so am I. I am more concerned about my business then theirs. If they grow and the names becomes even more popular then it is now great. if not, I have plenty of developed mobi's with traffic so I don't lose either way. If .mobi did not exist I would just use m., or wap., or /mobile. mTLD makes it easier for me with branding with just directing a user to a .mobi.

I for one believe in the extension as an extension that is relevant for mobile applications and purposes. Almost 95% of the current registered mobi's are not purposeful to the extension and do not have any relevancy at all. It will be rather interesting in a year to see how many dropped mobi there are. The sad thing is the majority of them should not of been registered to begin with.
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My final note is just shut-up, develop, and promote your .mobi names.

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Originally Posted by mykel241
.Mobi is just an extension like any other. The only thing that matters is what is on the page that people visit. It does not matter if its a .com, .tv, or .mobi.

Maybe you guys should spend as much time on developing and promoting your names instead of arguing and bickering over stupid nonsense about the future of mobi, mtld this, mtld that.

mTLD is doing what they have to do as a business and so am I. I am more concerned about my business then theirs. If they grow and the names becomes even more popular then it is now great. if not, I have plenty of developed mobi's with traffic so I don't lose either way. If .mobi did not exist I would just use m., or wap., or /mobile. mTLD makes it easier for me with branding with just directing a user to a .mobi.
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I for one believe in the extension as an extension that is relevant for mobile applications and purposes. Almost 95% of the current registered mobi's are not purposeful to the extension and do not have any relevancy at all. It will be rather interesting in a year to see how many dropped mobi there are. The sad thing is the majority of them should not of been registered to begin with.

My final note is just shut-up, develop, and promote your .mobi names.

Michael

amen. simple and truthful.
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My posts here in this thread, as usual, were in reference to the topic at hand - The mTLD publicly responds to the MOBI RFP & Premium Name firestorm ... -and ensuing discussion, IMHO! It started with this post:
Originally Posted by Jeff
They dropped the ball on this RFP process ... and as I've been saying since Day One, mTLD is seriously up against the clock to the "M Dots" and other technological and branding / marketing advances that are surely coming for the burgeoning Mobile Web, IMHO.
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I hope additional insight and clarification is forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!
And then, Cobo interrupted this nice healthy exchange of dialogue and - much like his favorite .MOBI hypers and loyalists - tore into my Signature, for some unknown reason (as an aside, I responded that he PM me directly with any questions ... so that he wouldn't further hijack the topic of thread). Of course, because they just can't help themselves of late, .MOBI Loyalists™ dagersh and movingconcierge spew on about items that are not at all related to the initial post/thread, IMHO. This is, lately, a constant pattern with these folks ... to derail the discussion from even any hint of skepticism against .MOBI and/or mTLD, in my view. It's getting sort of redundant and tiring, wouldn't you say friends?

Disagree with me and several others all you want on point, but try to stay on topic ... and avoid any impulse for personal attacks & attempted character assassinations!

I truly hope that, going forward, we all can respect each other's opinions ... and get back on topic, please, with The mTLD publicly responds to the MOBI RFP & Premium Name firestorm ... !
Thanks for your patience.

Originally Posted by mykel241
My final note is just shut-up, develop, and promote your .mobi names.
Good advice, thanks Michael!
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Originally Posted by Jeff
Originally Posted by mykel241
My final note is just shut-up, develop, and promote your .mobi names.
Good advice, thanks Michael!
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My question is, will you heed it?
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Originally Posted by scandiman
My question is, will you heed it?
Yes, we all should ... and that's why I posted "Good advice"!
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Once we get some .... "additional insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!", I shall get back busy to the development table on my single most prized .MOBI!

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Jeff
Yes, we all should ... and that's why I posted "Good advice"!

Once we get some .... "additional insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!", I shall get back busy to the development table on my single most prized .MOBI!

Thanks.
-Jeff
Sorry, but I didn't see anywhere in mykel241's good advice the requirement of "additional insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!"
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You are well within your rights to continue to wait for all the stars to align in your ever changing perfect universe, but in the end it smells like a cop out.
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Originally Posted by scandiman
Sorry, but I didn't see anywhere in mykel241's good advice the requirement of "additional insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!"
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You are well within your rights to continue to wait for all the stars to align in your ever changing perfect universe, but in the end it smells like a cop out.
I have been saying this (insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD!) since December ... and the importance of these clarifications compounds daily!
It does not make any sense, for me personally ... to devote time, energy, creative juices, and hard-earned MONEY to an extension that can't seem to find its way out of a closet, at this point - there are simply, again for me and my situation personally - FAR TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS regarding the .MOBI and mTLD, in my view.

Fortunately, June 1st is right around the corner!

By the way, Paul, more that any other here, you are fully aware that I've been looking for further insight and clarification from mTLD for quite some time ... and prior to me potentially increasing my vested interest, IMHO.
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Originally Posted by scandiman
Sorry, but I didn't see anywhere in mykel241's good advice the requirement of "additional insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD ... and specifically - where is is MOST DESERVED - here in the .MOBI Forum by June 1st!"

You are well within your rights to continue to wait for all the stars to align in your ever changing perfect universe, but in the end it smells like a cop out.
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well perhaps mTLD should get on board so they can earn the notorious Jeff's business. Get on it mTLD you should not be able to move forward without Jeff on board : )
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Originally Posted by movingconcierge
If you haven't figured this out yet, I'll help you.
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. . .

The more you feed it the more it posts.

. . .

Let's see how well all of you do by NOT replying next time. My troll guard is UP.
You're absolutely right, of course. I'm done...

So, about those RFPs...can't wait!
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Please note that the only thing they is "expect to have some news within the next couple of weeks". This is about as vague as it can be:
1) Expect, so not sure.
2) How many is a "couple" of weeks?
3) "Some news" does not have to be the result.

If they announce somewhere next month that we will have to wait for at least another month then they have also fullfilled yesterdays promise.
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Post bait...that's all any of it is. It is just troll post bait. The more you feed it the more it posts.

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If you just Shut the F up and refrain from replying (even I'm guilty - like right now) then the theory is the troll will move along to some other poor saps thread.

Let's see how well all of you do by NOT replying next time. My troll guard is UP.
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Please note that the only thing they is "expect to have some news within the next couple of weeks".
Correct. The response from mtld posted recently suggests that the RFPs will hopefully be wrapped up in a couple weeks - at least that's the way most might interpret it. The specific June 1st date mentioned by someone else is an artificial, assumed, specific date. There was no promise of a specific date. I can already envision that some here will use ANY slippage off of THEIR expected 6/1/07 - high noon sharp or else date to again jump all over the mtld organization, RFP process, .mobi extension, and those who truely believe in the viability of .mobi in providing a clean, new way to brand and promote the emerging mobile web.

Most often, target dates are not expiration dates, just targets. Look at any business, organization, or even your own home renovation project. Consider this scenario - After all your planning and searching you finally get a highly recommended architect and carpenter to design and build you a new kitchen. The contractor said it will take two weeks to do and that he will start in about two weeks but he has to finish up a couple other jobs first. In your mind that means that one month from today you'll be entertaining guests in your brand new kitchen. RIGHT. The contractor's other jobs take longer than he expected, the cabinets you wanted have been backordered from the factory, you just saw a new built-in eco-friendly appliance that you can't live without that requires a change in the layout and the architect has to redo the plans. This is new to him so it takes a bit to work out and move all the utilities around and get another permit because it will require a higher profile. And the electrician and plumber have their own schedules to juggle. Four months of ups and downs and phone calls and wondering later - you get to enjoy your new kitchen and will have it until you decide to move away. Who do you know that ever got their home improvement project finished on time, on budget, and without any headaches? No evil intentions from "money-grab" capitalists, just the normal course of events.

As far as not wanting to devote any effort into buying .mobi names or developing any sites until AFTER everything is in place just so, well that is an individual decision. I've previously posted how I personally believe that waiting "until" is short sighted from a big-picture, entrepreneural viewpoint. Especially when you consider that once a web site concept has been fleshed out, developing good content is the most difficult and time consuming task in putting up a good, usable website. So if one has an idea for a website that floats their boat, they should be researching their topic, writing copy, planning features, gathering appropriate graphics and moving forward - regarless of which exact domain name they use or domain extension they use, or even if they have a web designer lined up yet. Copy and graphics can be reworked and resized. But the availability of a real good (best, most appropriate, affordable) domain name for your idea may already be gone if you wait too long.
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I think everyone agrees that the mobile web is coming. It can move forward with or without any single domain extension. But Dot Mobi was formed to help get the ball rolling and provide a simple, unified way to help guarantee an immediate satisfactory mobile experience for users. UNtil now no other extension has been released with that singular focus in mind - to mean "mobile web here". Domain extensions were designed to provide meaning and structure to the web. .EDU means it's for schools' and universities' use, .GOV means it's for governments' use - both are correctly used for those purposes. Successful cctlds like .DE and .CO.UK have been smartly accepted and embraced by businesses and individuals for their intended usage. Some like .US, .JP, .IN, .CN are being adapted at various rates for their intended use. Many other extensions have been flops (.aero .museum .name) come to mean anything but what they were designed for (.TV comes to mind and we will see how that rebranding of a cctld works out.)

Dot Mobi is a way to provided structure. It does not replace the web as we know it - it adds to it. Dot mobi is another extension, but with a different purpose. It is still affordable to buy keyword generic .mobi names and hand reg two word names for your idea. 99.9% of those with an idea for a website can not afford to buy the perefect .com version of the name. They will never get it. But they most likely can get the .MOBI version. It just takes a business decision to do so.
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Correct. The response from mtld posted recently suggests that the RFPs will hopefully be wrapped up in a couple weeks - at least that's the way most might interpret it. The specific June 1st date mentioned by someone else is an artificial, assumed, specific date. There was no promise of a specific date. I can already envision that some here will use ANY slippage off of THEIR expected 6/1/07 - high noon sharp or else date to again jump all over the mtld organization, RFP process, .mobi extension, and those who truely believe in the viability of .mobi in providing a clean, new way to brand and promote the emerging mobile web.

Most often, target dates are not expiration dates, just targets. Look at any business, organization, or even your own home renovation project. Consider this scenario - After all your planning and searching you finally get a highly recommended architect and carpenter to design and build you a new kitchen. The contractor said it will take two weeks to do and that he will start in about two weeks but he has to finish up a couple other jobs first. In your mind that means that one month from today you'll be entertaining guests in your brand new kitchen. RIGHT. The contractor's other jobs take longer than he expected, the cabinets you wanted have been backordered from the factory, you just saw a new built-in eco-friendly appliance that you can't live without that requires a change in the layout and the architect has to redo the plans. This is new to him so it takes a bit to work out and move all the utilities around and get another permit because it will require a higher profile. And the electrician and plumber have their own schedules to juggle. Four months of ups and downs and phone calls and wondering later - you get to enjoy your new kitchen and will have it until you decide to move away. Who do you know that ever got their home improvement project finished on time, on budget, and without any headaches? No evil intentions from "money-grab" capitalists, just the normal course of events.

As far as not wanting to devote any effort into buying .mobi names or developing any sites until AFTER everything is in place just so, well that is an individual decision. I've previously posted how I personally believe that waiting "until" is short sighted from a big-picture, entrepreneural viewpoint. Especially when you consider that once a web site concept has been fleshed out, developing good content is the most difficult and time consuming task in putting up a good, usable website. So if one has an idea for a website that floats their boat, they should be researching their topic, writing copy, planning features, gathering appropriate graphics and moving forward - regarless of which exact domain name they use or domain extension they use, or even if they have a web designer lined up yet. Copy and graphics can be reworked and resized. But the availability of a real good (best, most appropriate, affordable) domain name for your idea may already be gone if you wait too long.
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To those who can't seem to get off dead center on this just consider this -
I think everyone agrees that the mobile web is coming. It can move forward with or without any single domain extension. But Dot Mobi was formed to help get the ball rolling and provide a simple, unified way to help guarantee an immediate satisfactory mobile experience for users. UNtil now no other extension has been released with that singular focus in mind - to mean "mobile web here". Domain extensions were designed to provide meaning and structure to the web. .EDU means it's for schools' and universities' use, .GOV means it's for governments' use - both are correctly used for those purposes. Successful cctlds like .DE and .CO.UK have been smartly accepted and embraced by businesses and individuals for their intended usage. Some like .US, .JP, .IN, .CN are being adapted at various rates for their intended use. Many other extensions have been flops (.aero .museum .name) come to mean anything but what they were designed for (.TV comes to mind and we will see how that rebranding of a cctld works out.)
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Dot Mobi is a way to provided structure. It does not replace the web as we know it - it adds to it. Dot mobi is another extension, but with a different purpose. It is still affordable to buy keyword generic .mobi names and hand reg two word names for your idea. 99.9% of those with an idea for a weebsite can not afford to buy the perefect .com version of the name. They will never get it. But hey most likely get the .MOBI. It just takes a business decision to do so.
Well said. In my case, I certainly could never have afforded antioxidants.com -- it's probably not even for sale, granted it's owned by a multibillion dollar corporation. And yes, .mobi does provide structure.

I'm an investor first, domainer second. Perhaps those that are the other way see things differently, however I don't like to invest substantial amounts of time, or money, until I'm reasonably certain about the future. I'm the kind of guy who's equally angry that he lost $1000 on an investment, as $10000 -- it's not the fact I lost money, it's the fact I made a screwed up that bothers me.
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Originally Posted by Jeff
I have been saying this (insight and clarification forthcoming from mTLD!) since December ... and the importance of these clarifications compounds daily!
It does not make any sense, for me personally ... to devote time, energy, creative juices, and hard-earned MONEY to an extension that can't seem to find its way out of a closet, at this point - there are simply, again for me and my situation personally - FAR TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS regarding the .MOBI and mTLD, in my view.
I agree... it doesn't make sense to devote so much time... repeating yourself in every thread - have you tried directing your questions to mTLD via email in a polite professional manner? So far they have responded to every email I've sent them.
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Perhaps it is your creative juices that need to be released from their closet?

Have you ever considered that perhaps the extension can move along just fine without our NP forum, and we are just along for the ride?
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Originally Posted by mykel241
Maybe you guys should spend as much time on developing and promoting your names instead of arguing and bickering over stupid nonsense about the future of mobi, mtld this, mtld that.
Amen to that
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Amen to that
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..and over and over and over..

and over...

Currently I am uploading a few hundred files and updating about 30 sites and posting isn't taking up too much time while I wait for FTP to complete. So don't assume too much. I probably am one of the most active developers on this site.
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Currently I am uploading a few hundred files and updating about 30 sites and posting isn't taking up too much time while I wait for FTP to complete. So don't assume too much. I probably am one of the most active developers on this site.
My antioxidants.mobi site is up to about 40 pages of content created by me -- and people say I should develop and shut up...
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Funny, most of the sites I've seen in .mobi are 10 minute jobs, tops -- and they pretend they're these big time developers. Note the word most -- some of you have inspired me with what you've created, while others seem to have just put up sites so that they can claim to be developers.
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