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bingo...it baffels me why many peeps here think mtld "owes" them explanations and such...the goal should be having as many real businesses as possible making mobi sites...not pleasing domain flippers...


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mjnels

two things here:

1. even when fold-out screens come out, not everybody is going to want one..

2. even with my 90" fold-out screen cellphone im still going to want to access mobile content.

mobile content still has some people confused... they say "i can access the full blown site"

sure.. and you will. but right now there isnt many services that cater directly to mobile users.. you might THINK there are.. like ringtones, sports updates, the stupid joke of the day, etc etc.. but when this "mobile internet" really takes off, thats when it'll become obvious.

and there will be a couple ways to advertise that you cater to mobile needs:

domain.ext/mobile
mobile.domain.ext
m.domain.ext
domain.ext/m

and whatta ya know: domain.mobi


too many of you are hung up on the technical stuff.. so tell me, whats the point of .TV and why am i seeing it advertised all over television if only the technical stuff matters..


basically, it comes down to the fact that by releasing the .mobi extention they free'd up a whole bunch of mobile-relevant domains that would have otherwise not been available.. and in a world where we're running out of short/cheap .com's by the day..this is a blessing.

-REECE-

Because of development potential I see very slim profits for those whose names aren't on the famous dotmobi top portfolio page.

movingconcierge

My $0.02 IMHO
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scandiman

-REECE-

Well, it's been nice having this discussion. I have to take off...

For those wondering where I stand... I still love the .MOBI idea. I think it's a great idea, and as some have said, we still have ~ 5 years before technology will render .mobi useless.

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What I'm hoping is that mtld will have .MOBI fully branded by then. Dotcom isn't necessary today, but we still use it anyway. That's what I'm hoping the future has for .mobi.

I don't like mtld -- I never have. But .MOBI, I've always felt was like a baby of mine. I got my first pda back in '02. I spent MONTHS looking for a way to view full page websites on it effectively... Never found anything of course. So YES, I do think this is a great idea!! I just want it to be implemented before it's no longer as useful/as much of a great idea.

Have yourselves a good night and thanks for the lively discussion. Always nice when people have strong opinions

hawkeye

Then, pray tell, why are you not developing them, instead of 'whining' on how mtld doesn't move at your pace?? I don't beget your opinion, but you spend so much time posting on what mtld 'should do', though you say you're not concerned on profits. Seems to be a waste of good constuctive developing to me.
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(and please spare the 'I want to help others' thing..)

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Yes, you're entirely right ... seems the "M Dots Company" is nearly as elusive as the mTLD folks!
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Before you know it, though ... a standardized, uniform, embraceable, and fully formatted m.domain.com movement may take shape, blossom, and effectively render the already S.L.O.W. and difficult to market .MOBI utterly useless, IMHO. This is EXACTLY why mTLD needs to get ahead of the technological and branding / marketing advances that are most surely coming in the next several months - 1 3/4 years, IMHO. .MOBI hasn't even figured out the first FOUR (4, friends) RFP's, and they can't even begin to brand / market something that overwhelmingly resolves, on the whole, to silly parked or blank pages! I've been saying, and I repeat to anyone who will listen TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE for the survival of the .MOBI!

Diversify your domain and development investments accordingly, IMHO.
See you soon.
-Jeff

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mjnels

your true feelings shine through more and more each and every day.

Jeff

Thanks, maybe we're both getting better with age?

PS. Are you diversifying your domain investments and development holdings, Mj?
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scandiman

Yes, right. Well mtld can be found at www.mobi and to save you the trouble of finding their contact information I copied it for you here:

dotMobi
11 Exchange Place
IFSC
Dublin 1
Ireland

Email: contact@mtld.mobi
Phone: + 353.1.854.1100
Fax: +353.1.791.8569

For dotMobi development issues contact us at tech@mtld.mobi
For Premium name issues contact us at premium@mtld.mobi
For Reserved name issues contact us at reserved@mtld.mobi

The fact that mtld does not visit NamePros as often as we may like does not make them elusive, it means they are busy. If you have a question, ask them directly, contact information is posted above for your convenience.

And please do me the reciprocal favor of posting the web site or contact information for the organization, consortium, industry group, or bowling league that is providing specific guidance, coding standards and enforcement of the "m" subdomain on all worldwide domains.

Please enlighten me on your precise 1 3/4 year timeframe. I'm sure you didn't make it up and have derived it from some specific analysis and it would benefit us all to fully understand it.

Diversification is a good thing for all investments and that is a significant reason I am involved in .mobi because I see a huge potential that you apparently do not. How have you diversified in regards to .mobi?

Binfus

This, I believe, is one the fundamental differences in opinion and vision there is; i.e. whether the user's needs and appetite for content will be identical in the mobile environment as that of the traditional PC based context? If so, .mobi can then succeed only by quickly "branding" itself as THE extension for mobile devices, quite similar to what happened with the PC-based web and .com. And, yes in this case there is definitely a limited window of opportunity...and as such, .mobi stands on a very shaky ground. A countervailing viewpoint, which I tend to believe in, is that a mobile user's state of mind, needs and wants are uniquely different from when he/she is in front of a PC with his/her cup of coffee, beer, whatever. The former is for checking headlines and the latter for reading editorials; the former is for making a restaurant reservation and the latter for shopping for home equity loans; the former for paying a bill thats getting late and the latter for researching investment opportunities; the former for buying tickets and the latter for finding the best college for one's teenager! In this model, many new applications will emerge suited ONLY in the mobile context and many current ones will go thru adoptive evolution for the mobile environment. There will be distinct and separate but complementary roles of mobile and fixed web. In this model, there would be scores of existing online entities that would never feel the need to have a presence in the mobile context and many future mobile-focused sites/applications that have never existed (and never will) for the Pc-based fixed web. IMO, when we conceptualize the Internet of future under this model, there'd ALWAYS be a need for a mobile-specific tld....and thats .mobi.

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acc

"Diversify ... accordingly, IMHO." - Also very good advice for those who only "invest" their time looking for every opportunity to naysay instead of investing their money buying and time developing .mobi names themselves. Diversify "time investment".

"difficult to market .MOBI" - Are you an experienced marketer and do you really know anything about branding and marketing?

I hear that there's this .tv extension-thingy that people might need saving from. You know, reserved names held from deserving-domainers, expensive premium renewal fees, lack of site development, all the regs that don't fit the extension, and of course the impending, ominous possibility of a "tv.anything.com" standard that may may it all obsolete. Boy they could possibly use some alternative input over ther too.

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mjnels

No, I am not.

namewaiter

bravo! very well said!

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mjnels

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very intelligently said..

Jeff

Time to start diversifying, IMHO.
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All the best!
-Jeff

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mjnels

not necessarily.. i have around 1,000 .mobi's and 75% paid off.

check the whois on some mobile relevant generics, you might see me.

GeoOwners

just in case this was overlooked...here it is again...thanks scandi for the info...I'm sure this will come in handy in many threads...

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cobo

Jeff, In regards to your P.S. :

"PS. What happened to .MOBI?!?!"

This could be interpreted by some as taunting, blatant disregard or simple lack of professionalism. Really Jeff, could you give us a name to the game that you play here in this mobi forum. It is certainly not altruism that you practice so ardently. In my opinion, that P.S. of yours is a cheap shot below the belt!

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Jeff

Cobo, my above P.S. here in this thread was in regard to Mj's diversification plans ... if you have a specific question for me regarding me or my Signature, please feel free to PM me directly!

Goodnight for now, friend.
-Jeff

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-REECE-

This isn't dotcom, and this extension is NOT guaranteed by any means to succeed. If my belief comes true, .MOBI's success will depend on outside forces -- competing technologies. If Binfus is correct, technology will not be the primary issue, but rather the ability of mtld to convince corporations that their extension is better than future ones, subdomains, etc. Even that is NOT guaranteed.

Pets.com really was COOL back in the day. Of course I was brighter than to put my money in something so poorly planned... We really don't know what the future of .MOBI holds at this point and should be more tolerant of both sides of the argument.

Labrocca has pointed out several times the obvious -- most "super optimistic" .MOBI supporters are new to the domaining business. Something we have to all learn early on, is that these are not the dotcom days. Hell, even when I got into domaining in '99, the "good days" were long gone. Rather than waste time flaming people who present flaws in the .MOBI equation, let's all try to help mtld work out the flaws presented by these people. There are pessimists, and then there are trouble makers. IMO, there are no trouble makers in this forum, only a few pessimists. If there were no possible flaws in the .MOBI equation, there wouldn't be anything to be pessimistic about -- remember that. In First Nation cultures, the Contraire -- someone who saw things "the other way" was highly esteemed. Perhaps they're aware of something we aren't...

labrocca

http://pc.mtld.mobi/mobilenet/about_srmanagement.html

Not all that hard to find...interesting how I am more knowledgable about the mTLD site than those investing daily in mobi. Maybe you should do some research as Reece suggested. The deeper you look...the less there is to like.
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Also one thing not present in this argument is how mobile internet does VERY well in Asia and EU and this was BEFORE mobi...so it wasn't a requirement for people in those regions. The ratio of cell phones is greater for them while in America we have a large amount of home PCs which means less cell phone use for internet. Also in other regions they have better networks and less price restrictions. Odd that it's the backers of mobi that have a choke on both these restrictions and instead of releasing Americans from it's grasp it's trying to have us on smaller sites made specific for mobile and where every domain they make money from.

We should be demanding cheaper internet connectivity from these backers not giving them license to make smaller sites.

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Binfus

I've given my best to try comprehending this apparent response to my post that was quoted above it...but either I'm too tired or too dumb to get it's relation to the point I'd tried to make... Sorry.

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-REECE-

It wasn't all that related really. My post could easily relate to 10+ posts and I was way too lazy to quote them all, so I just quoted yours for the "Bifus part" of my article, so people can see your differing point of view -- one which I accept as a possibility.