Geez!

Poohnix · 05-07-2007, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mark

The "Note" posted above about the renewal fees being the same as the buy now price ... Wasn't on the enom site on May 1st was it ? Several people tell me it was not and I didn't see it then either. gorlov - Did you see it on May 1st ?

I can't swear in a court exactly when it was, but it was there the first time I checked out the listing, which must have been some time in the evening Central European Time May 1.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/323380-demand-media-update-and-clarifications.html
I hadn't checked back since then, when I copied that note yesterday was the first time I went back there, but it looked as I remembered it from my first visit.

...

Abstracts.tv · 05-07-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by cybertonic

It's not because it's a very well funded company you must be afraid and you need to say "Amen" to any of their unfair practices.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380
What is not legal is not legal for anyone.
I continue saying that renewal price must be clearly specified and more when the amount is not usual.

Frank you written:

"I don't think they are really worried about us "peon" domainers..."

Then why they purchased to Ron the last cover of DNJournal.com if their intention was not to reach the domainer community and launch their March 1 Premium domain sales?

No, no, ... they prepared very well their premium sale and domainers was one of their main target.

Cybertonic, you may very well be right also.

Frank

Broker · 05-07-2007, 09:15 AM

Unbelieveable, I post my opinion on the matter which was "DEAD ACCURATE" and my post gets deleted. Probably due to the word scam within it. Well lets try a different word. Is sham a little better?

How much hard work, how much physical labor, how much paper work or typing or filing or how about time? Goes into justifying and figuring out these rediculous renewal fee prices?

I'd say it again but it would probably get deleted and with this here, I've said enough anyway.

TheBulldog · 05-07-2007, 09:27 AM

Ok, it seems that there are two questions left open......

1) What is the renewal pricing policy?
A) Same as Premium Fee +/- 10-15% possible
B) No answer B, this has been asked and answered many times.
2) Who actually sets the Price?
A) Enom says Verisign
B) Verisign says Enom and Demand Media
I don't think it matters, but the answer to this will tell you who to hound for other questions.

And finally, Cyber, we can't give you a refund. If you don't like the terms, get a lawyer, or contact enom to ask about getting your money back. For the rest of you, this really is just kind of pointless bitching. If you really want to get some answers, appoint someone as a liason between us and enom/demand. That person gets to take the list of complaints/questions to someone over there.

I know Quin is here and has been helpful, but since you all beat the snot out of her when she gives answers you don't like, I doubt she is going to keep coming around that much.

equity78 · 05-07-2007, 11:30 AM

First off Cyber, Renewals on premiums have always been what the REG fee was, unless there was a deal like in OCT to DEC 06 where you got 70 % to REG and 50% off on renewals so a domain that was $1000 a year you got for $300 and $500 renewals after.

TO the scam, sham whatever looking for justification. If I own a corp like Verisign owns .tv I can charge whatever I like, I don't have to justify and you don't have to buy so that rhetoric is getting old.

Pricing subject to change sucks IMO does it need to be quantified? Yes IMO

AND lastly Cyber RON JACKSON does not get paid to write an interview so you are way off there.

start me up · 05-07-2007, 11:53 AM

No one "owns" domain names, you simply lease the usage of it from the registry. How is this any different than leasing a house or apartment? If you sign a one-year lease at $1000 a month, what's to say the landlord won't make it $1500 a month the next year? There are exceptions in some cities where they have rent control, but you get the idea.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

This is the first TLD where the name dictates the price. But wasn't that always the case with auctions? The difference is Demand Media is valuing the domain up front rather than the marketplace through an auction. I guess ultimately the marketplace will determine .tv value -- if people don't think a name is worth $10000 it might well drop in price.

The big difference seems to be .tv is not a park-and-speculate game, it's about development. What's wrong with that?

Dr. Mindwrecker · 05-07-2007, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by start me up

The big difference seems to be .tv is not a park-and-speculate game, it's about development. What's wrong with that?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380
This is why I was trying to tell people to relax and understand the .TV game. This is a "development game" plain and simple, which is why "Hardcore Domainers" have been so critical of .TV, because they cant buy a name for $100 and resell it for $200,000.

I personally like what Demand is doing, because it protects against the names being parked.

Could this be why the great domainers have been so critical of .TV???

think · 05-07-2007, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by MINDWRECKER.TV

This is why I was trying to tell people to relax and understand the .TV game. This is a "development game" plain and simple, which is why "Hardcore Domainers" have been so critical of .TV, because they cant buy a name for $100 and resell it for $200,000.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

I personally like what Demand is doing, because it protects against the names being parked.

Could this be why the great domainers have been so critical of .TV???

I'm curious. Do you have any money invested in premium TV names?

05-07-2007, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by equity78

First off Cyber, Renewals on premiums have always been what the REG fee was, unless there was a deal like in OCT to DEC 06 where you got 70 % to REG and 50% off on renewals so a domain that was $1000 a year you got for $300 and $500 renewals after.

When you register a domain the acquisition cost is never over $50 as the renewal (.com, .mobi, .info, ...)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380
So let me say it's not usual the way the dot TV works.
One can be very surprised, and it's what happen to me (and few ones that already asked me if I can help them get refunded from their May 1th purchase).
This is why ENOM should clearly inform that this extension is very special and tell about the renewal cost.
He didn't. So now it's normal some people want to cancel their purchase and get refunded and/or complaint in forums.

Originally Posted by equity78

TO the scam, sham whatever looking for justification. If I own a corp like Verisign owns .tv I can charge whatever I like, I don't have to justify and you don't have to buy so that rhetoric is getting old.

Exact, they can charge what they want to new owners but INFORM THEM and BE CLEAR.

Originally Posted by equity78

AND lastly Cyber RON JACKSON does not get paid to write an interview so you are way off there.

Possible, I will ask Ron for confirmation.
But it's so strange that Ron just write about NameMedia when they are launching their premium domain sales.
He may have spoken about them before or after this event.
Anyway it's not a shame for Ron to get paid for write articles.

Duke · 05-07-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by cybertonic

Then why they purchased to Ron the last cover of DNJournal.com if their intention was not to reach the domainer community and launch their March 1 Premium domain sales?

Come on Francois. You should know better than that. We never have and never will accept payment for writing an article about anyone or anything. Enom is not even a DNJournal advertiser, so they have never spent a penny on anything at DNJournal.

05-07-2007, 12:36 PM

Hello Duke,

Thanks for the clarification.
Annyway there is no shame to write an article for a sponsor while what you are written it's true.
And I think that's the case.

smashfactory · 05-07-2007, 12:36 PM

cybertonic i am still lost as to why you are so surprised. before they went up for sale you asked in a thread:

Before I do some mistakes!
When a premium domain cost for example $15,000
This is the acquisition price, exact?
This is not the renewal cost that should be simply the same as any dot TV name, exact?

and you got the answer:

Yes it is the price...and every year you need to pay $15,000 to renew the name.
Aquistion price - $15,000
Renewal Price - $15,000
You would have done one BIG mistake if you dint know this...

Premiums have a premium renewal if you reg it for $10,000 it will have a $10,000 renewal price

and you said:

Thanks a lot! - What a stupid but so good question I asked...
This definitively stopped my interest.
My idea was do some domain investment like I do with the dot com, plus also buy some premiums for resell within the next months.
But this change ALL!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

and yet, you bought premiums anyway, and now claim you knew nothing- what is going on here?????????

05-07-2007, 12:39 PM

SmashFactory read above, I already responded to this.

equity78 · 05-07-2007, 12:42 PM

First off Cyber when you sign in to ENOM just sign in you agree to their terms and there will not be a refund.

And again stop tarnishing Ron Jackson and Dn Journal with your implications of publishing impropriety

TO MW I was talking about dev long before you came here but it is not for anyone Verisign or anyone else to tell someone we don't want you to park a domain. Secondly the two biggest .tv domainers by FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR IGAL and ELEQUA will only park their domains. DOMAINS LIKE :

xxx
sexy
1
travel purchased for $65,000
Mail purchased for $35,000
KIDS.tv purchased for $10,100
MP3
and 1000 more

05-07-2007, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by equity78

First off Cyber when you sign in to ENOM just sign in you agree to their terms and there will not be a refund.

And again stop tarnishing Ron Jackson and Dn Journal with your implications of publishing impropriety

I do not have nothing again Ron nor I am doing critics, and he knows.
Probably the person I appreciate the most in this sector.
The one that responded to my first domaining question was Ron.
The first place I advertised my domain service was DNJournal.com
And the best and by far more interesting publication about domaining is DNJournal.com

The big problem is after so many years working around a theme the geeks think everybody know like them. That's not the case!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380
When you speak about dot TV Premium you need to remember it's a SPECIAL EXTENSION and explain why.
This way newbies like me or others will not make errors thinking it's another extension for domain investors.

Originally Posted by equity78

TO MW I was talking about dev long before you came here but it is not for anyone Verisign or anyone else to tell someone we don't want you to park a domain. Secondly the two biggest .tv domainers by FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR IGAL and ELEQUA will only park their domains. DOMAINS LIKE :

xxx
sexy
1
travel purchased for $65,000
Mail purchased for $35,000
KIDS.tv purchased for $10,100
MP3
and 1000 more

I do not understand what you want to explain here.

By the way why this "IGAL" sounds me ?

Abstracts.tv · 05-07-2007, 12:58 PM

I can't believe anybody, even someone into developing domains, thinks paying $10,000 or more annually for a domain is ok. Am I missing something here? Are you guys rich or what? How could you be ok with this? Blows my mind. Of couse , IMHO

Frank

equity78 · 05-07-2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

I do not understand what you want to explain here.

By the way why this "IGAL" sounds me ?

Was not talking to you contrary to popular belief everything in this thread is not about you I was talking ot MW about parking domains

Broker · 05-07-2007, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by equity78

TO the scam, sham whatever looking for justification. If I own a corp like Verisign owns .tv I can charge whatever I like, I don't have to justify and you don't have to buy so that rhetoric is getting old.

You certainly could as they have done. I call it price gouging and see it as a danger sign for all of us domainers. If your o.k with paying $50 or $100,000 for a domain name and then pay that same fee each year for a renewal (so much work involved in that it's definitley worth it -NOT) then good for you.

I apologize for seeming so full of hatred, but this extreme greed and probably somewhere along the lines of illegal business practices behavior, just pisses me off to no end. I would looooooooovvvvvvvvvvveeee to see everyone demand a full refund and tell verisign, enom and DM where to go.

But thats unlikely and of course I hope those of you who have paid such rediculous prices realize unless you do have an incredible biz plan to go along with your high dollar premium's, chances for reselling are not good at all due to just the renewal fee's alone.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

Good luck

Abstracts.tv · 05-07-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by HasRob

You certainly could as they have done. I call it price gouging and see it as a danger sign for all of us domainers. If your o.k with paying $50 or $100,000 for a domain name and then pay that same fee each year for a renewal (so much work involved in that it's definitley worth it -NOT) then good for you.

I apologize for seeming so full of hatred, but this extreme greed and probably somewhere along the lines of illegal business practices behavior, just pisses me off to no end. I would looooooooovvvvvvvvvvveeee to see everyone demand a full refund and tell verisign, enom and DM where to go.

But thats unlikely and of course I hope those of you who have paid such rediculous prices realize unless you do have an incredible biz plan to go along with your high dollar premium's, chances for reselling are not good at all due to just the renewal fee's alone.

Good luck

Ditto! Your last sentence says it all! Good luck!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

Frank

equity78 · 05-07-2007, 01:11 PM

I don't think anyone wants to see high Reg fees or renewals ROB, but everyone here has known that premiums come at a higher fee that's not new no matter what Cybertonic wants to imply. I have always thought the renewal fees were ridiculous I have spoken to Verisign in the past about this, their reply was if you don't like it don't reg it.

And like Antonis said I think most people are in the $500 to $1,000 range. I have .tv that make $2400 a year in ppc parking. So for $500 that is ok then.

There is a disconnect because the other premiums before May 1 do not have renewal prices subject to change so it is a bunch of non sense Verisign needs to fix for registrants and the extension overall IMO

mkylut · 05-07-2007, 01:22 PM

Premium renewal...c'est l'enfer imho! HasRob, I'm totally agree with you. The premium renewal reduces the chances of reselling. Cyber, I wish you good luck and please keep us updated about your refund.

05-07-2007, 01:33 PM

Equity78 is a little upset with me and I understand.
Of what I have seen it's one or the leader about dot TV in NP.
So he don't like a lot that people complaint about his prefered extension.

Now if the NP leader of the dot TV in NP is not able to get full confirmation about the exact renewal pricing now and the next years then I guess we cannot expect much more information here and more when it look likes there is nobody of ENOM or DemandMedia to enlight us.

Thanks for your help equity78 and thanks to the others but I do not think we will fix anything here when the main actors are missing.

...

equity78 · 05-07-2007, 01:36 PM

Cybertonic I am not upset with anyone so please do not speak as you know me because you do not. Secondly I am the leader of nothing wow. Thirdly most people here are aware of how .tv works since the last two years have been spent here educating people. lastly this forum is not a bitching post and whoever does not like that can feel free to leave anytime

ANd here is confirmation for you Cybertonic
Currently May 1 premiums have renewals that are equal to the Reg fee
with pricing subject to change

Now you have been confirmed you are looking for certainty and Verisign apparently is not willing to oblige you with that certainty you desire

Dr. Mindwrecker · 05-07-2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by think

I'm curious. Do you have any money invested in premium TV names?

Why?

Originally Posted by cybertonic

But it's so strange that Ron just write about NameMedia when they are launching their premium domain sales.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

Demand Media relaunch of the .TV extension is a huge domain story. Why wouldnt he be writing about the story at the time of launch? Isnt that what journalist do, cover hot current news?

Originally Posted by mkylut

Premium renewal...c'est l'enfer imho! HasRob, I'm totally agree with you. The premium renewal reduces the chances of reselling. Cyber, I wish you good luck and please keep us updated about your refund.

They don't want reseller's, they want developers. They want people to buy a $10,000 domain that have access to loads of content to leverage.

think · 05-07-2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by MINDWRECKER.TV

Why?

Because you are very supportive of Premium Dot TV names and the policies while criticizing those who have money invested and to invest Dot TV for being concerned about the lack of guarantees that renewals will be equitable.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380

If you have money invested in premium names and you aren't concerned about renewing the domain and the rate you'll be charged that is fine but if you are telling people who have money invested to not be concerned but have no money invested to lose yourself that bothers me a little.

05-07-2007, 09:27 AM	#104 (permalink)
TheBulldog Your Showbiz Connection Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spam-It's what's for dinner. Posts: 4,725	Ok, it seems that there are two questions left open...... 1) What is the renewal pricing policy? A) Same as Premium Fee +/- 10-15% possible B) No answer B, this has been asked and answered many times. 2) Who actually sets the Price? A) Enom says Verisign B) Verisign says Enom and Demand Media I don't think it matters, but the answer to this will tell you who to hound for other questions. And finally, Cyber, we can't give you a refund. If you don't like the terms, get a lawyer, or contact enom to ask about getting your money back. For the rest of you, this really is just kind of pointless bitching. If you really want to get some answers, appoint someone as a liason between us and enom/demand. That person gets to take the list of complaints/questions to someone over there. I know Quin is here and has been helpful, but since you all beat the snot out of her when she gives answers you don't like, I doubt she is going to keep coming around that much. __________________ ════════════════►◊ Funny Google Voice Translations

05-07-2007, 11:30 AM	#105 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	First off Cyber, Renewals on premiums have always been what the REG fee was, unless there was a deal like in OCT to DEC 06 where you got 70 % to REG and 50% off on renewals so a domain that was $1000 a year you got for $300 and $500 renewals after. TO the scam, sham whatever looking for justification. If I own a corp like Verisign owns .tv I can charge whatever I like, I don't have to justify and you don't have to buy so that rhetoric is getting old. Pricing subject to change sucks IMO does it need to be quantified? Yes IMO AND lastly Cyber RON JACKSON does not get paid to write an interview so you are way off there. __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

05-07-2007, 12:36 PM	#112 (permalink)
smashfactory Domain Goddess Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,101	cybertonic i am still lost as to why you are so surprised. before they went up for sale you asked in a thread: Before I do some mistakes! When a premium domain cost for example $15,000 This is the acquisition price, exact? This is not the renewal cost that should be simply the same as any dot TV name, exact? and you got the answer: Yes it is the price...and every year you need to pay $15,000 to renew the name. Aquistion price - $15,000 Renewal Price - $15,000 You would have done one BIG mistake if you dint know this... Premiums have a premium renewal if you reg it for $10,000 it will have a $10,000 renewal price and you said: Thanks a lot! - What a stupid but so good question I asked... This definitively stopped my interest. My idea was do some domain investment like I do with the dot com, plus also buy some premiums for resell within the next months. But this change ALL! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380 and yet, you bought premiums anyway, and now claim you knew nothing- what is going on here????????? __________________ BOO!

05-07-2007, 12:42 PM	#114 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	First off Cyber when you sign in to ENOM just sign in you agree to their terms and there will not be a refund. And again stop tarnishing Ron Jackson and Dn Journal with your implications of publishing impropriety TO MW I was talking about dev long before you came here but it is not for anyone Verisign or anyone else to tell someone we don't want you to park a domain. Secondly the two biggest .tv domainers by FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR IGAL and ELEQUA will only park their domains. DOMAINS LIKE : xxx sexy 1 travel purchased for $65,000 Mail purchased for $35,000 KIDS.tv purchased for $10,100 MP3 and 1000 more __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

05-07-2007, 12:58 PM	#116 (permalink)
Abstracts.tv Music Video Television! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fresno, California Posts: 3,387 Follow @Abstractstv	Geez! I can't believe anybody, even someone into developing domains, thinks paying $10,000 or more annually for a domain is ok. Am I missing something here? Are you guys rich or what? How could you be ok with this? Blows my mind. Of couse , IMHO Frank __________________ Buy my Abstract Art: http://www.imagekind.com/MemberProfi...1-04dc1a43592b

05-07-2007, 09:15 AM	#103 (permalink)
Broker Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 3,199	Unbelieveable, I post my opinion on the matter which was "DEAD ACCURATE" and my post gets deleted. Probably due to the word scam within it. Well lets try a different word. Is sham a little better? How much hard work, how much physical labor, how much paper work or typing or filing or how about time? Goes into justifying and figuring out these rediculous renewal fee prices? I'd say it again but it would probably get deleted and with this here, I've said enough anyway.

05-07-2007, 11:53 AM	#106 (permalink)
start me up New Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 17	No one "owns" domain names, you simply lease the usage of it from the registry. How is this any different than leasing a house or apartment? If you sign a one-year lease at $1000 a month, what's to say the landlord won't make it $1500 a month the next year? There are exceptions in some cities where they have rent control, but you get the idea. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=323380 This is the first TLD where the name dictates the price. But wasn't that always the case with auctions? The difference is Demand Media is valuing the domain up front rather than the marketplace through an auction. I guess ultimately the marketplace will determine .tv value -- if people don't think a name is worth $10000 it might well drop in price. The big difference seems to be .tv is not a park-and-speculate game, it's about development. What's wrong with that?

05-07-2007, 12:36 PM	#111 (permalink)
cybertonic Guest Posts: n/a	Hello Duke, Thanks for the clarification. Annyway there is no shame to write an article for a sponsor while what you are written it's true. And I think that's the case.

05-07-2007, 12:39 PM	#113 (permalink)
cybertonic Guest Posts: n/a	SmashFactory read above, I already responded to this.

05-07-2007, 01:11 PM	#120 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	I don't think anyone wants to see high Reg fees or renewals ROB, but everyone here has known that premiums come at a higher fee that's not new no matter what Cybertonic wants to imply. I have always thought the renewal fees were ridiculous I have spoken to Verisign in the past about this, their reply was if you don't like it don't reg it. And like Antonis said I think most people are in the $500 to $1,000 range. I have .tv that make $2400 a year in ppc parking. So for $500 that is ok then. There is a disconnect because the other premiums before May 1 do not have renewal prices subject to change so it is a bunch of non sense Verisign needs to fix for registrants and the extension overall IMO __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

05-07-2007, 01:22 PM	#121 (permalink)
mkylut NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nice, Cote d'Azur Posts: 791	Premium renewal...c'est l'enfer imho! HasRob, I'm totally agree with you. The premium renewal reduces the chances of reselling. Cyber, I wish you good luck and please keep us updated about your refund.

05-07-2007, 01:33 PM	#122 (permalink)
cybertonic Guest Posts: n/a	Equity78 is a little upset with me and I understand. Of what I have seen it's one or the leader about dot TV in NP. So he don't like a lot that people complaint about his prefered extension. Now if the NP leader of the dot TV in NP is not able to get full confirmation about the exact renewal pricing now and the next years then I guess we cannot expect much more information here and more when it look likes there is nobody of ENOM or DemandMedia to enlight us. Thanks for your help equity78 and thanks to the others but I do not think we will fix anything here when the main actors are missing. ...

05-07-2007, 01:36 PM	#123 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,568	Cybertonic I am not upset with anyone so please do not speak as you know me because you do not. Secondly I am the leader of nothing wow. Thirdly most people here are aware of how .tv works since the last two years have been spent here educating people. lastly this forum is not a bitching post and whoever does not like that can feel free to leave anytime ANd here is confirmation for you Cybertonic Currently May 1 premiums have renewals that are equal to the Reg fee with pricing subject to change Now you have been confirmed you are looking for certainty and Verisign apparently is not willing to oblige you with that certainty you desire __________________ Congrats and Thank you to RJ Protect your brand,secure your .sucks today

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