They did, but not very clearly. The same notes that still are there at the bottom of the page was there first time I checked a name, early in the launch:
But that's not very noticeable, and should be much clearer published.
(And the "subject to change" is, of course, still very ambiguous.)
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I do not know if SCAM is the best term, english is not my main language.
What I mean by SCAM is Demand Media have been trying (and continue) to misslead potential buyers just to generate more incomes.
Demand Media will be considered as a serious company if:
- They refund all the premium domain's buyers that purchased names without know the exact renewal price. Or set the renewal price to a rate under $50/year.
- They clearly indicate in their pages the premium domain renewal price now and within the next 3 years.
Otherwise this means they are simply abusing of domain buyers.
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Last edited by cybertonic : 05-06-2007 at 03:12 PM.
I was always under the assumption that the renewal fee's would be around the same price as the but it now price. It just made sense to me to look at it that way, comsidering all the people on this board who had already bought premiums had clarified that they were going to have to pay the original fee each year.
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Last edited by MINDWRECKER.TV : 05-06-2007 at 04:08 PM.
Some how it just looks and rolls off the tongue better in French.
I have seen many posts lately with warped logic and reasoning as to why you regged premium .tvs without first knowing what you getting into.
Bottom line is, take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming everyone else, i have heard it is Verisigns fault, DM's Fault,Enoms Fault,now you are even suggesting that it is this boards fault because you thought we were trying to mislead you as we wanted all the premiums ourselves.
It is YOUR fault you didn't research everything thoroughly it is YOUR fault that you decided to purchase them, it is YOUR fault you made assumptions about the integrity of people on this board who were trying to help you make an informed decision.
Nobody forced you to pay and register premiums, it is time to get a grip and start taking some responsibility for your own actions.
Hey DreamCatcter and StoneRose ................ COOL!
Its' so ABSURD and INCREDIBLE to be paying the annual renewal the same amount you purchased a domain.
And more when the acquision price could be hundred thousands dollars like some premiums I seen.
This is why it's LOGICAL to think these guys:
- Was kidding.
- Was maybe lying in order I don't be the first to purchase some names they wanted.
- Have no clue about the renewal price.
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Many reasons are possible.
So don't feel hurted!
It's like if I say: "Look this cow flying!"
It's so absurd and incredible that you will think I am kidding, I am lying, I am idiot, ...
And I only said and continue to say the ONLY fault is from: DEMAND MEDIA!
Because it's the company that own the site ENOM, the one that sells the premium dot TV and that did not clearly inform about the pricing and continue to play this scam game to maximize his sales, letting think domainers that renewals should be logically under $50
By the way there is a a lot of TV experts around but NONE is able to really know and affirm what is the real renewal pricing.
Read all the thread and how each one is doing suppositions.
I see in your signature you own a lot of dot TV which let me imagine you are experienced with this extension, but have in mind 99% of webmasters NEVER purchased a dot TV!!!!
So don't annoy me with stupid words like "take your responsabilities"... to play the hero and protect your relationship with DEMAND MEDIA.
The liar here is not me but DEMAND MEDIA!
And I hope they quickly clarify and correct all this as refund all the domainers that were abused.
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Last edited by cybertonic : 05-07-2007 at 02:20 AM.
I am now growing weary of this blame game you are playing,
It is no ones fault but YOURS!, grow up and take responsibility for YOUR ACTIONS ,unless someone fromEnom came round to your house and forced you at gunpoint to buy all those names then you are talking absoloute crap.
It will be my OWN fault if where I purchased the domain there was a big message saying:
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CAUTION:
This domain is special the renewal price for xxxxx.TV is $nnnnn
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But I did not seen anything and probably it's still the same!
Last edited by cybertonic : 05-07-2007 at 02:16 AM.
i agree the renewal prices are steeper than others but this stuff about not having a concrete answer to the future fees.....
i have been looking at the tos of many registrars and you dont have a guarantee for anything- have you read what you are signing up for, every day? basically you dont have a leg to stand on as far as they are concerned- here is a snippet from ns:
"You acknowledge and agree that the renewal price may be higher or lower than the price you paid for the then-current term of the service, and that we are authorized to charge your credit card on file for the renewal of the service(s)."
they are saying the same thing, arent they? and people reg names every day-
i mean, i agree we all want stability but isnt this going a tad over board? no one else guarantees "how much" a domain can go up or down- someone mentioned that verisign said .coms were going up only so much each year, but that is not even a guarantee because i am sure somewhere in the tos it covers any further changes- .coms can go uo to $100.00 tomorrow if they wanted and there is nothing we can do about it.
but no one said it was $50 this year and $500 next year- i understand you are upset, and i am NOT trying to minimize anything - especially to those who spent so much- what i am saying is- you cant expect them to give you a difinitive answer, because they wont, because no one else does. is there a cap somewhere, anywhere, that anyone knows about on how much any domain can rise in price each year?
demand media is pushing the envelope- and we all bought into it. they said, hey, lets charge a crazy price for premiums, and lets see if they bite....
this lets them know how far they can let out a rope before they realize there is nothing biting on the ther end.
if they bite, you have a winner, if they dont, you have New Coke.
well, a half a million dollars in sales later, the public did NOT show their disdian by NOT buying the domains, and letting demand media know this was out of line.
you JUST proved my point- yes, what if tomorrow you found out to renew .coms were 1000.00- can it happen? actually yes it can- will it? doubt it. but, it can- because it is in the tos- so yucky little words......
read my edit dear- all they have to do is go back in the posts to show any court you were fully aware- and asked ahead of time- no judge is going to rule for you with this post sitting there BEFORE the premiums came out-
Demand Media, Verisign, or whoever controls the pricing are being nothing more than greedy. It is just like the gas situation, they are gouging people. Many LL.tv before May 1 were $1,000 per year. Now many, or all, that I have seen, are $10,000-$15,000 or more!! Pure greed.
However, to see Deman Media's side, I don't think they are really worried about us "peon" domainers, and what domains we buy. I sure they are thinking major corporations who will jump onto the .tv bandwagon. $10,000 for them is like petty cash.
By the way, I still have Uv.tv on the Sedo Auction, about 7 hours left. Current high bid is $2,500. I clearly state the annual renewal on this .tv also, it is $1,000 per year. Sure beats $10,000 per year!
It's not because it's a very well funded company you must be afraid and you need to say "Amen" to any of their unfair practices.
What is not legal is not legal for anyone.
I continue saying that renewal price must be clearly specified and more when the amount is not usual.
Frank you written:
"I don't think they are really worried about us "peon" domainers..."
Then why they purchased to Ron the last cover of DNJournal.com if their intention was not to reach the domainer community and launch their March 1 Premium domain sales?
No, no, ... they prepared very well their premium sale and domainers was one of their main target.
yes i believe everyone agrees that this is unusual and it looks exteremely greedy on their end- i still have no idea of the reasoning- i would have not done it this way- but i do not own demand media- i think it is safe to assume we ALL agree the prices are crazy.
didnt stop people from buying tho, did it.
cybertonic- you are just wrong- flat out wrong. no one is saying amen but at some point you have got to admit you knew this ahead of time, from YOUR OWN post, and decided to buy anyway.
no one clearly states a set for life renwal price. not for coms, nets, tvs.- and if they do- subject to change is hidden in there somewhere...
Last edited by smashfactory : 05-07-2007 at 06:40 AM.
The "Note" posted above about the renewal fees being the same as the buy now price ... Wasn't on the enom site on May 1st was it ? Several people tell me it was not and I didn't see it then either. gorlov - Did you see it on May 1st ?
Things like that should have been ironed out and announced in HUGE BOLD letters well before this latest Release.
IMO - many people have just leased a lot of Deficits ... Not domains.
Whether you have the Development ready for the domains or not ... Whether you have the extra money laying around or not .... It's still a deficit until you've paid for two years registration IMO -
You can look at it two ways I guess ... If you were leasing Prime Real Estate in a Business District (or elsewhere) Yes , you would not expect to pay less after the first year. And yes they obviously are pushing everyone involved with the "Premiums" to develop ASAP.
The fact is "most" "Premium" Real Estate already has existing Traffic or Has a Huge Off Ramp directing Traffic toward it under construction for the future. At the very least it would have a local "amenity" to attract visitors (Waterfront / Mountains and skiing / etc ...).
If your own "Development" efforts are the only way to bring in enough traffic to pay for these "premiums" - You're behind on the game already IMO -
You could have registered WERHYEHHJWTERHET.tv and done the same thing for a lot less investment.
JMO, but I would bet that unknowns won't get a break when trying to register a $10K premium - but large 'name' corporations might be able to negotiate, given that DM and crew still want to see general acceptance of .TV occur, and 'names' can make that happen. So, those largest premiums are simply in a holding pattern until the big bucks arrive at the party.
