jmcc

Comparing the Junk Dumps in .biz/.info with .eu is an interesting idea Allan. Doing a stats check on two .info or .biz zones only takes about 20 minutes including pre-processing and I should have some of the old stats on backups - it is just a question of remembering which computer I left them on.

Regards...jmcc

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If you think this is big - just wait 'til renewal time comes up for .MOBI domains

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circa1850

my junk was dumped starting at the beginning of this year. Perhaps dumped 85% of them.

Enzyklop

A lot are junk (>70 %) but I also found some good names, which I registered and will registert.

Every domain which is is or was in quarantine, is deleted form the statistic - around 200.000 !

The .eu is no tropical garden until now, o.k., but also no desert. There are already some websites - for example:

www.greenpeace.eu
www.milka.eu
www.Versace.eu
www.Politikportal.eu
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www.starter-portal.eu
www.biokorn.eu

The use of the .eu shows the growing DNS queries. There were 22962 DNS queries per minute in Dec 2006, in April only 3303 !

http://www.eurid.eu/images/Documents...erly_4_web.pdf (page 8).

The Big Junk Dump is over , I think - the registrations went from around 2 375 000 to 2 388 332 last week. I ecspected much more drops.. around 25 % (= 500.000), but now it`s only 10 %.
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Hmm...I don't think that the .eu statistic is a fake or not trustworthy - because the .eu is under the patronage of the EU Commission and correct statistics is a must !

As I remember, the most .eu domains (around 2 Mio.) were registered in the beginning (April/May/June 2006) and they are renewed already ! The later registrations weren`t not so speculative and are much mor stabile.

Regards Enzy

circa1850

Amazingly, this is the first time I have actually viewed an .eu site.

Nearly all (including your listing of greenpeace) is a redirect to an existing site (greenpeace.org).

The .eu registration was so poorly handled and monitored that it may take years to straighten out. Thousands of names were seized by a few fake registrars in the UK.

I have not seen any updates lately but there were nearly 300,000 in contention or had legal battles brewing with about 12 front companies operating in the US and illegally registering .eu (mostly LLL and NNN)

jmcc

The real figure is probably closer to 300K since .eu was around 2.6M at the start of April 2007. I saw 268K or so drop in April (based on the lists here - approximately 2.1M .eu domains monitored). I've been tracking .eu across the nameservers since April last year.

Still only a handful versus millions of parked and PPCed domains. And some of those are just portal/information sites rather than pureplays using the .eu as their primary brand. Greenpeace forwards to the greenpeace.org site. There is very little end user activity in .eu ccTLD - people and businesses are just sticking with .com and their ccTLDs.

In April 2006, there were only a few thousand domains active before the landrush. And I think that EURid was still using the .be nameservers at that stage so a lot of traffic might have ended up going to the .be nameservers.

The problem is that that drop figure is offset against the number of new registrations. The main drop for April is over but there is the drop for May, June, July to happen as well.

The EU Commission are not domain business experts. Even the EU Commissoner responsible was telling the press that 2.5 million users registered the .eu domains. She was contradicted by EURid's own statistics.

The EURid report was a pathetic attempt to obfuscate the numbers by attempting to relate them to the population of each country. What EURid was really trying to do was hide the fact that most of .eu is really warehoused due to its incompetence in handling the landrush and bogus registrars. Over 54% of .eu is warehoused/aggregated according to EURid's report (that's one figure that they didn't manage to hide). And that doesn't even include the tens of thousands of domains that are potentially fraudulently registered or cybersquatted. The report doesn't mention the hundreds of thousands of domains potentially facing legal action.

A significant part of the UK .eu holding is due to warehousers/aggregators. Perhaps more than 90% of the Cyprus holding is warehoused/aggregated/squatted. A very significant part of the Dutch holding is due to the number of warehoused/aggregated domains. It really isn't a very healthy ccTLD.

The funniest part of all this was that EURid was sued by the Ovidio syndicate for breaching its own regulations. EURid actually lost because it knocked out the Ovidio registrars' access to the registry before notifying the Ovidio registrars. Not something that would inspire confidence in EURid's management or its legal team. And as for its eligibility department - these bozos couldn't even take action against blatently fraudulent registrations even when they are given them.

EURid lied to the press about there being a problem with phantom registrars. What makes you think that they wouldn't lie about statistics that makes their operation look bad? EURid had the power to solve the problem but its incompetent management did nothing.

Personally, I think that there should be a public investigation into how EURid got the contract, who on the EU Commission made the decision, and the level of expertise of those who advised them. If any evidence of wrongdoing is detected, then criminal prosecutions of those involved must follow. Perhaps that may restore some public confidence in .eu ccTLD. Though I think that the only thing that will restore confidence is a redelegation to a competent registry operation.

There are no grounds to trust the accuracy of EURid's statistics without an independent and competent audit. It allows warehouser/cybersquatter operations to hide domains by removing the nameservers from them - this means that up to 20% or more of .eu is hidden. There has been no independent and competent audit of .eu zone. There has been no independent and competent audit of EURid and its ability. There has been no competent oversight of the .eu ccTLD.

The .eu ccTLD didn't go through the 2M barrier until July 2006 or so. The later registrations (May, June, July) have not been renewed yet. The first landrush domains have but around 300K have dropped. The landrush period carried on for about three or so months. The warehousers/aggregators did renew a lot of their domains so what appears as stability may actually be something completely different. It could be that a lot of the small business registrants are dropping .eu and concentrating on their primary .com or ccTLD. I've just taken a quick look at dropped Irish .eu domains and there is a lot of business type .eu domains being dropped.
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Regards...jmcc

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Nice info in this thread, thanks all, rep added.

So are there any lists of expiring/expired .eu names available anywhere on the Web?

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Enzyklop

greenpeace.eu was connected - but now it's only a redirect. But there are already a lot of .eu pages - specially small and median companies, and a lot in east-europe, like www.biocorn.eu.

True and there was a big frustration. But .eu will be a good TLD in the domain world, maybe only because of the big EU Market with 490 mio. customers in 27 countries under the same rules. Concering the fake registars there will be a court decision.

The eurid statistic is now already 2 392 330 !

" 6 .eu Landrush II domains and more than 23360 deleted domains
becoming FREE from 22.05. - 28.05.! (List is online in our customer area)"

You can get a list from http://realtime.at/index-en.php
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best regards

jmcc

I think that EURid's management and legal team was incompetent enough to be beaten by the Ovidio syndicate in a very simple manner. That's why I don't think that these fools will do much to stop warehousing or cybersquatting. EURid is only taking action against one operation. It is probably stupid enough to lose that as well.
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Yes but look at the individual country stats. Some of them are going down.

I would not be surprised to see Snapnames, Pool and Nameintelligence trying to get in on the drop catching act.

Regards...jmcc

DomainLobe

I also would be interested in real ccTLD dumps - I suspect actual country code extensions show a MUCH smaller rate and volume of dumps!
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I would rather have my country code then say a 'North American' semi-cctld and I am sure our friends in the US would agree.
The future (besides .com) will be in the hands of true ccTLDs, its our nature.

jmcc

For .ie (Ireland) the figures do show a more sedate pattern. The domains are checked on the first day of each month. At 20061201 the number of .ie domains was 70084. The January figures are low because the IEDR (the .ie registry) was closed for the Christmas holidays from the 22nd of December. There is a very slight element of reregistration of dropped domains but the .ie ccTLD is a managed ccTLD and registrants have to prove entitlement to the requested .ie domain.

Jan2007 Del: 621 Transfers: 511 New: 1317 Total: 70783
Feb2007 Del: 659 Transfers: 706 New: 2326 Total: 72448
Mar2007 Del: 469 Transfers: 749 New: 2303 Total: 74283
Apr2007 Del: 768 Transfers: 754 New: 2609 Total: 76121
May2007 Del: 690 Transfers: 683 New: 2139 Total: 77576

The monthly deletion percentage is roughly just under 1% on average.

There are more Irish owned .com/net/org/biz/info domains than there are Irish owned .ie domains. This is due to the historically poor management of .ie ccTLD. However over recent years, the IEDR has become more efficient and answerable to the Irish internet industry. The .ie ccTLD has largely been a business ccTLD as the costs of obtaining a .ie, compared to a .com, were high. I think that the drop factor might be, partially, a function of the difficulty of obtaining a domain in a ccTLD. The more hoops that have to be jumped through, the more likely that the domain will be held. That 1% or so drops in .ie ccTLD may be more due to natural attrition (businesses going bust etc).
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Regards...jmcc

Damion

Great info jmcc!
Thanks for sharing

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DomainLobe

Thanks JMCC - I appreciate your time addressing this question.
I supect the .ie perspective is reflected amongst other established ccTLDs as well.