hedgefund

Very interesting reading of US history. I am deeply impressed.

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GoodKarmaCo - great story -- and I believe the Hearst/mining story served as impetus for one of our country's greatest cinematic achievements --- "Citizen Kane"

BTW -- on a different note, had dinner two nights ago with a gentleman who was told many years ago he was "crazy", "ridiculous", and that he would lose respect from the scientific community and that he would become a "pariah", and lose his position at Harvard.. well, this man kept on his path, with great perisistence and vision, and despite the naysayers, he developed a treatment for arresting malignant tumors, a treatment that has already saved thousands of lives and has the potential, with new advances, of saving 500 million lives or more...BTW, this gentleman, who now commands the attention of world leaders, also won the Nobel Prize in Medicine...
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don't listen to the naysayers -- keep forging ahead!

MinionDH

All this talk about gold, history, and not quitting reminds of the inspiring story "Three Feet from Gold" in the book "Think and Grow Rich":

THREE FEET FROM GOLD

One of the most common causes of failure is the habit of quitting when one is overtaken by temporary defeat. Every person is guilty of this mistake at one time or another.

An uncle of R. U. Darby was caught by the "gold fever" in the gold-rush days, and went west to dig and grow rich. He had never heard that more gold has been mined from the brains of men than has ever been taken from the earth. He staked a claim and went to work with pick and shovel.

After weeks of labor, he was rewarded by the discovery of the shining ore. He needed machinery to bring the ore to the surface. Quietly, he covered up the mine, retraced his footsteps to his home in Williamsburg, Maryland, told his relatives and a few neighbors of the "strike." They got together money for the needed machinery, had it shipped. The uncle and Darby went back to work the mine.
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The first car of ore was mined, and shipped to a smelter. The returns proved they had one of the richest mines in Colorado! A few more cars of that ore would clear the debts. Then would come the big killing in profits.

Down went the drills! Up went the hopes of Darby and Uncle! Then something happened. The vein of gold ore disappeared! They had come to the end of the rainbow, and the pot of gold was no longer there. They drilled on, desperately trying to pick up the vein again-all to no avail.

Finally, they decided to quit.

They sold the machinery to a junk man for a few hundred dollars, and took the train back home. The junk man called in a mining engineer to look at the mine and do a little calculating. The engineer advised that the project had failed, because the owners were not familiar with "fault lines." His calculations showed that the vein would be found just three feet from where the darbys had stopped drilling! That is exactly where it was found!

The junk man took millions of dollars in ore from the mine, because he knew enough to seek expert counsel before giving up.

goodkarmaco

Thanks Hedgefund,

Mobineer, you are correct that trailblazers often do not get the respect from peers and are often ridiculed. Persistance is the only way to acheive the goal.

MinionDh, that is a great story and I am going to re - read " think and grow rich". You showed another thing vital when discussing the success of something. That is knowledge of a certain subject is one key to unlocking its potential.

Those that do not believe in the .mobi are more than likely not spending the time to read of its success or are they seeing the clues that lead to the gold. Thats o.k. for them as they are probably finding some success with other extensions.
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A miner looks at a rock and draws many conclusions from that. Ordinary people who do not know what leading mineral indicators are look at rocks in a different way and do not see any clues that gold is near. That is the difference of a person striking gold and a different person picking up the rock and skimming it across the water as so many throw aways that have no value other than to entertain.

The seasoned pro will quietly go his / her way until the strike can be properly claimed.

Until then all who claim no riches in those hills about .mobi are really declaring they don't have the fortitude, the work ethic or the means to coax profits from the extension. Just because little gold has been found up to this point in time is no reason to pummel those who look for it with stones they have not assayed yet.

The value of this extension is yet to be seen.

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labrocca

So the story of Hearst silver you think holds true for domainers? Please...it's a great story to inspire the few. When that Silver was discovered..how many got rich? A small handful that's how many.

You mean like the advice from expert counsel Frank Schilling? The gold isn't in mobi..it's in .com. Those giving up and going to .mobi have simply stopped mining 3 feet away from a fortune.
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Yeah...that's exactly how I read these tales.

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????? you amaze. Those 'fortunes that are 3 feet away', are someone's elses fortunes by now, and of course can now be mined for a fortune from them!!! Big dif between paying $12 and $30K+ for a mining example!!

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he likes hearing himself talk.
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like someday were gonna respond: wow labrocca, you just blew my mind, man.

GeoOwners

Dude your so far out in left field we cant even see you anymore...

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Thanks for the inspiration...I just added a nice post at my new mobisucks blog.

http://www.mobisucks.info

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well said...

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Labrocca, you are so full of yourself! You want .mobi to fail so bad, just, and yes - just, so you can say 'ha I told you all. You should have listened to the great Labrocca!' You knock it, though you have a couple! You rant and hollar that only dot com domains are worth it to invest in, though you have other extensions. You are against .mobi, then come cowaring that 'ok maybe you all were right on this mobi thing.' Then you go back to bashing. It just kills you to see some of the mobi buyers 'getting giddy' so to speak with hopeful enthusiasm on the extension. You say you are just trying to save those from throwing their money away on useless names, but all you do is stroke the others to pushing back against your 'wisdom'. Why not offer them guidance on name choosing? I guarantee that once a couple of .mobi's do make a nice endusers sale notice, you will come cowaring again. Your real problem is, as pointed out previously, noted by your need to align yourself as 'omniscient', and actual belief in such. AS IF! I used to have you pegged a rabble rouser who enjoyed ruffling feathers, but it seems you are just an overly self rightous individual. Probably a republican! One thing you don't seem too dwell to much on though, is why companies like BofA and a few others, so far!, (you can look through the listings of other corporations with mobi sites.) are stupid to jump on the mobi bandwagon with a site, though they didn't go put up sites on .org,.info,.us etc. And those extensions have been around for years, while mobi has only been around 6 months. I guess you haven't come up with a counter yet to tell them they are stupid too. And not all mobiers are noobies hoping for pots of gold. I just sold a .org for 5 figs, and like some other mobi investers, don't need just .mobi names to pin my hopes on. I see it, you don't (won't)! You go write your little columns to yourself to make yourself feel better if you must. You note all your little reasonings etc. why this extension will fail, and then go reread them to make you feel better, cause nobody else is!
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And please, don't knock my name while as you respond to others, as you did in an other column.

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well i'd say someone just got sized up quite nicely.

snoop

The mobisucks.com site is a bad idea, it makes it sound like you have a gripe rather than an opinion and the concept has a bit of a kooky feel to it.

labrocca

lol...oddly when I post my messages I try to attack the message itself...instead mobi-cultists have reverted to the tried and true attack the messenger. Yeah..don't argue my position or points. Say that I am full of myself, that I am cowering, and that I am a republican which btw is true.

As long as your posts are about ME instead of about .mobi you are safe and so are your dellusions about mobi. What mobi-cultists can't handle is an honest open discussion of mobi and mTLD. Remember it was FRANK SCHILLING that this thread is really about and the original blog he posted.

You say you don't want me to knock your name...yet here you are...facing me directly in your post saying rather offensive things about my personality. Hmm...

btw...you really don't seem to understand my posts. NEVER...NEVER have I said that mobi will fail. As a matter of fact it's VERY successful. So successful in-fact that it has an entire army of domainers willing to blindly defend it no matter the logic or reasoning. That's success 101.
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Now to place a nail in the coffin you call a debate. I don't have to call companies stupid for using mobi...they will eventually figure that out for themselves as CNN did. C'mon...where is the reasoning for CNN to DROP mobi in favor of a dotcom?

Now I have been catching a lot of flak lately about my apparent "flip-flop" on mobi. I beg to differ. I said in my statement that the market speaks and for now (then) it was doing very well.

Here...read this again.

As I said there...I never thought my logic or arguments were wrong. I questioned if it will last...it has NOT. The new Traffic sales prove the rise of mobi has halted and that the gains it was seeing as a new extension are now pulling back...WAAAAYYYY back. Oddly all those threads will huge predictions on the sales have become trivial to the dotmobi-cultist. It's been one day and instead of reflecting on the FACTS of yesterdays sales...they are at it full force trying to twist the truth that mobi isn't as valuable as 75% or more of you thought. Many voted....88% as a matter of fact thought total mobi sales would be well over $400K...a large percentage thought over $1 million. Yet it's me that has become the focus of a thread negative on mobi. Yes let's dismiss me and my arguments because I am so easy to dismiss as a mobi-hater.
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I was hailed for my "I was wrong" post...yet here I am saying "I was right" and suddenly all hell breaks loose and I am the target of personal attacks. I was expecting better from a site with so-called professionals. The only thing professional I see here are hit-men out to get me instead of arguing their positions.

I am...don't buy into mobi...find dotcoms or dotnets.

You don't know that. The reason it's there is because all-knowing is something that is worse than death itself. I use the word because it's something from my favorite series of books...DUNE series by Frank Herbert. My usage is a plow and obviously it worked on you. If you think omniscience is something to want...you are sadly mistaken. Omniscience means you will never be suprised. It means your entire life is known. It's not a pleasant thing. Suprise and chaos are what I thrive on. It's the opposite of Omniscient.

Once I made an off-handed remark about your location being la-la-land and you got all bent out of shape over it. I apologized to you. Yet it's ok for you to pick on my personality? I don't appreciate it but I really don't care. If you feel the need to attack me...go ahead. It's you that will look petty and unable to present a logical response to me. Go ahead ...say what you will.

You guys should simply spend more time debating my message instead of debating ME.

Lastly....mobi is not a failure...it's a success...and has been for months now. What has been a failure is domainers properly placing mobi in the domain game. It's not a king or even a queen...at best it's a rook that can be used to corner a market (oohh...c'mon that sounded good).

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Jesse "The Spoon" Labrocca.

I've decided that's your official nick name Jesse.

Because you like to stir-things-up.

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labrocca

lol db..in honor of your post...I have changed my title officially to "The Spoon".

I do like to stir things up which imho is part of my philosophy of chaos and suprise being the ultimate achievement.

http://www.answers.com/chaos?nafid=3

Any time I can add chaos to my world I am appreciative. I think this thread has made me happy. If the mobi forums weren't chaotic and confusing I wouldn't even want to be here. Instead they are full of shock, suprise, and chaos. lol...it's a heaven...and why I am drawn to post here.

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seanboy

Freedom of Speech..

Labrocca, you are most certainly entitled to your opinions. Although I don't agree with many of them, I definielty welcome a different perspective. I'm not sure what being skeptical of the extension has to do with you being a Republican.
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I'm happen to support .mobi. I'm also a Libertarian. No connection

.Mobi performed well at TRAFFIC, although I wish that mtld would do more to ensure that these premium names go to end-users. The RFP is a better process, IMO.

There are some people here developing their names and a few businesses that have decided to use the extension (so far, my favorite is SXSW, I'm a big fan of their music festivals), so I see that as being positive.

hawkeye

Labrocca, had you been around in 1491, you would have argued adamantly that Columbus was doomed for failure, because there was an edge at the end of the ocean, nobody has ever returned, and he was just taking his crew to their deaths and no one will ever survive.

Now go change that all around and make it say that you of course wouldn't have said or implied that! I just can't wait til the day CNN turn on their mobi again! It'll be time to 'flip flop' again.

You note you have family. I bet they dread when that 'soapbox' comes out.

..and it would figure on the 'red' thing too. Probably still believe the WMDs will be found too.

I don't care on your opinions, etc., I've made my decisions, and I can live with them, and without changing as the market changes that day too!

Peace out!

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Not all mobi news is negative...and not all news is positive. Traffic from my view was a success for mobi. However as I stated...viewed from the perspective of many mobi fans it was a failure. The expectations were MUCH higher for them. It's those expectations of mobi that in my view are more harmful to mobi and it's mission than anything else. Domainers are nearly evil when it comes to making money...we all know this. If domainers were the dominant buyer of domains in the 90s I don't think the internet would have done so well. As many say...develop develop develop but I don't see a great amount of that happening. I see more action in marketplace. Maybe -db- should consider having a mobi development area? It is entirely a topic that warrants it's own discussion area imho and it might really help bring the focus away from arguments and petty discussions such as these and those wishing to focus on actual mobi development can be sparred the rantings of bitter guys like myself.
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Just a thought.

btw...I agree with much of the Libertarian philosophy but as a party they don't have any power to do squat.

Ahh..so now you take a pot shot at my family...oh how low will you go? So now it's past shooting the messenger you want to drag my political views and my family into this. As if they have ANY bearing on my arguments about mobi. As I said...you can't argue real points.

Your whole speech on how I would have stopped Columbus is pure conjecture. No basis in fact and it's beyond speculation.

We get it...you personally don't like me hence my message must be wrong. I get it....we all get it...you don't like me. Fine. That doesn't make me wrong nor does it make you right.

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hawkeye

There you go changing things around again. I didn't take a pot shot at your family, it was you! And conjecture is all your speeches are about, because nothing has been proven either way yet!! And to be honest, liking you has nothing to do with anything, as I kinda was starting to warm to you as were willing to concede things may not be as dark as you were presenting. You just want to push so hard that all mobi investors are fools and chasing pipe dreams. You can't stick with a pov, you have to use names and ridicule to those that have different views than you. Sure there are some in here that are new, or overly optimistic, but you include all in your negative commenting. You say you have a right to post your feelings opinions etc in these mobi forums, but it's not like you contribute anything new to the pro con argument, you just knock and put down anyone or anything enthusiastic on the extension. And adamantly. It just seems you'd get tired of carrying that overly polished soapbox around with you that's all.

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Unfortunately

hugegrowth

a few things to note about the .mobi scene:

- when the .mobi land rush started in Sept, the people in the forums who were buying mobi's were generally excited and talking a lot about the potential of .mobi . At no time do I remember anyone seriously saying that .mobi was going to replace .com or any other extension. It might have been joked about, or said that .mobi could rival .com for choosing a mobile website address, but that's about it. No one was bashing .com

- another group started bashing the .mobi potential, saying .mobi would flame out and why are you all not investing in .com's. almost if because you were enthusiastic about the .mobi future, it meant you were anti- .com This group was basically arguing against a viewpoint that never existed in the first place

- how many .com and .net names were hand-regged last Sept, Oct and Nov. that sold for over $500 within months? or over 1k or 10k? Probably not as many as .mobi. So from a pure investment perspective, .mobi was the place to be at that time. I know I regged some one and two word names in .mobi then that I would never have the chance to own in .com, and for most I just enjoy owning that word or term.

I honestly think that some people don't enjoy seeing others being positive if it isn't a subject to their liking. I don't remember anyone saying they were mortgaging the farm to buy all .mobi's. The bashing was so heavy and repetitive that it was more than just well-meant warnings, it was like .mobi was the black plague.

The level of bashing that .mobi took was just a sign to me that it was going to make it. Why has no other extension ever received so much hate? (not even .cc)

As for the mining analogy, for domainers looking to build up a portfolio with a modest budget, do you go to the spent .com mines to hunt in dark corners for sand particle nuggets, or do you go across the valley to virgin territory to break new ground? Many people don't like change and don't like to see others possibly getting ahead - it's like the lobster that tries to climb the tank walls to escape, the others pull it back in.

Those who didn't even try to see what was available to reg in .mobi back in Sept/Oct because they had already turned up their noses will have to live with that fact forever, and seeing the rise in .mobi will only make it more painful. Most of us missed the .com opportunity in the 90's, but to miss out a second time at this stage of domaining is almost a sin.

[QUOTE=labrocca]It's those expectations of mobi that in my view are more harmful to mobi and it's mission than anything else. Domainers are nearly evil when it comes to making money...we all know this. If domainers were the dominant buyer of domains in the 90s I don't think the internet would have done so well.[QUOTE]

People reg all sorts of extensions, .com .mobi net org info biz cc every day, good and bad names, and many have high expectations for them. Why should it be any different when some has high expectations for a .mobi?
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I think the internet would have done well regardless of domainers, really. I mean what could really stop the force of the internet?

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I agree with you and what I question is this is AN EXTENSION SPECIFIC subforum why are posters who have no interest in the extension allowed to make flaming threads ?DB would love to hear the answer. Do not give me trying to help others because that is a lie and if by some crazy reasoning it is true THERE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT CAUSES IN THE WORLD TO BE HELPING like walking by a starving person and getting them a meal compared to saving someone with the disposable income to buy something as trivial as a domain.

Freedom of Speech? This is not a public service RJ and DB own this private VIRTUAL property everyone else a guest. So that line is out the window.

The way for all mobians to deal with this IMO is absolutely ignore them NEVER respond to one post. So it just looks like they are talking to themselves. I mean how boring can your life be to be spending hours on a subject you don't like. WOW

Congrats on the .org sale HAWKEYE obviously people own more than one extension and I am in no means a big .mobi holder own 3. But the disgusting nature of the WOMBATS ( screw TROLL or spoon) Waste Of Money Brains And Time makes me want to post something here.
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http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/298...more-than.html

You have a short memory then my friend. Btw..that thread it was locked...and if you notice I don't have even a single post in it. Hawkeye however appeared again in that thread as part of the "spirited" debate that brought it down. Much like this one.
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Never said those things and while I have used terms like mobi-cultists I have not named anyone in that group which means only the reader can perceive themselves in it.
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And yes lots of my arguments are conjecture about mobi or mTLD. They are not conjecture about people or members here. I admit much is my opinion and thoughts. As I said...you attack the messenger instead of the message. If I have offended a person I am normally man enough to send them a PM apology or even a public apology. No person is ever always right and I don't mind admitting when I err. We all make occassional mistaked. As I said...when I admitted my mistakes before I was man enough to admit it. Now that it appears I am correct on certain subjects few have the courage to step forward to admit their faults with their mobi enthusiasm.

No disrespect equity but I didn't start this thread. And it was a thread about negative comments made by Frank Schilling on mobi....whom I and other professionals agree with. So because I am vocal and active here I shouldn't be allowed to participate is that your logic? If my posts were not by me but instead Frank Schilling himself would you say the same thing? What if it was Rick Schwartz? Obviously DB and RJ allow open discussion here. While I may "stir the pot" as the spoon...I am not the flame. I don't flame members. I try as much as possible to maintain my respect for members, staff, and the spirit of this site.

My direct apology to you sir if you feel that I have been a troll here. However I feel I have been an active member with a minority vocal opinion. Because I am in the minority of posters that speak against the mission of mobi doesn't mean I should be silenced.

If DB or RJ wishes to change the site policies and rules then I will be happy to abide by them. Can you please PM them and suggest exactly what rule you propose? Something along the lines of "no posting anything negative about an extension inside an extension specific area".

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Silenced ? No What I don't understand about anyone ( I did not name names either)is why go into an ext specific thread if you don't like the ext. Voice your opinion all you like in General Discussion, I believe ext specific are for like minded individuals that wanted their own forum within the forum. I say this because I started this concept with the .tv subforum then came .us then .mobi

I look at the let me go into an ext forum I don't like as the same as a heterosexual man going to a lesbian bar and telling them they should like c**K

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