Frank Schilling's take on .mobi - Page 2

-db- · 03-05-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by dentalpro

-db- slaps dentalpro upside the head with a large piece of rubber cord.
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Wake-up.

labrocca · 03-05-2007, 07:48 PM

Guys like schilling are "domainers"...they rarely develop and make huge income off traffic and advertising. He is pretty much the original spectator yet is voicing against mobi spectating...makes you really wonder.

http://frankschilling.typepad.com/

Reading more of his writings he appears to be very insightful.

thinking1 · 03-05-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Has he said this or is it a guess? I believe he has quite alot of .co.uk, .net and .org domains

Frank has alot of names.

thebiffenator · 03-05-2007, 07:50 PM

whether .mobi succeeds or fails only time will tell. But if the head honchos or "want to be head honchos" don't aggree with .mobi then it's fine with me, its their oppinion.

But it will never stop me from developing my .mobi names as much as I can. Out of the 45 .mobi names I bought, I plan on developing 85% of them ASAP. Infact 15 of them are dedicated to one area that I will develop after the bandwidth of the mobile phone increases.

My point is that (who cares what these people say about .mobi right now.....Most people predicted apple to fall as well) Lets all DEVELOP (even if its simple at first) and show them different. And the best way to show these people what .mobi can do is to DEVELOP...DEVELOP and DEVELOP.....A.S.A.P

The only thing that will stop .mobi is "No Development" for the enduser! IMHO

Tommorrow...Show your friends/coworkers ect... how quickly a .mobi loads up... They will be shocked..Trust me!

-db- · 03-05-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by pcaero

The tone in his article is not one of cauton, but one of "someones gonna take a bite out of my ass" tone.

I suppose that's the problem when reading, we never know for sure the 'tone' of the author. Unlike hearing somebody speak in person.
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Because it did not seem that way to me.

To me, it just seemed like ".mobi is pointless, stay away".

thinking1 · 03-05-2007, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by thebiffenator

whether .mobi succeeds or fails only time will tell. But if the head honchos or "want to be head honchos" don't aggree with .mobi then it's fine with me, its their oppinion.

But it will never stop me from developing my .mobi names as much as I can. Out of the 45 .mobi names I bought, I plan on developing 85% of them ASAP. Infact 15 of them are dedicated to one area that I will develop after the bandwidth of the mobile phone increases.
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My point is that (who cares what these people say about .mobi right now.....Most people predicted apple to fall as well) Lets all DEVELOP (even if its simple at first) and show them different. And the best way to show these people what .mobi can do is to DEVELOP...DEVELOP and DEVELOP.....A.S.A.P

The only thing that will stop .mobi is "No Development" for the enduser! IMHO

Tommorrow...Show your friends/coworkers ect... how quickly a .mobi loads up... They will be shocked..Trust me!

You're the man! I was about to make another post about telling everyone to develop their mobi names but I figured I'll wait another week till after traffic.

Development is truely the way Mobi will succeed!

What's funny is that we, "the domainers" are actually now going to dictate whether or not mobi does well. We are the ones with the majority of the names now. If we choose to develop our best or the majority of what we own, the extension will most likely do well.

on the flipside if we hold onto them and park them it will have a horrible impact on the extension.

Develop your mobi names! It's not a joke! If mobi does have a chance of doing well it will only come from content on the mobile web.

hawkeye · 03-05-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

What if he really-and-truly believes this thing is a waste of time and money, and he's simply trying to help other folks avoid wasting their resources, by sharing his advice.
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Looks totally different from the other side, huh?

Originally Posted by labrocca

NO TRAFFIC...no traffic means no money....no money means no resale...no resale means DROPPED.

OK!! This is what I don't get. I've been involved in domaining since '98. I've been reading forums and watching others etc. etc. to learn and be as knowledgeable as I can, so my falls aren't so hard. However, I've never read so many put downs, reasonings, 'let me tell you' advice, 'this is why it will never work!' ragging on any other extension before as this one! Nobody was saying ".info will be a failure because it has no traffic in the first 5 months so it's doomed!" ".US is unknown, we have .com, who needs it!" ".BIZ you're all throwing away your money" etc. etc. etc.!!! These and other extensions were accepted, bought, sold, profitered from, had successful websites, and have had and continue to have, a longevity in usage. Yet .mobi, the most reasoned need for, thought out for marketing, with set standards for a specific purpose, etc. etc. extension to roll out, and there is constant drumming of 'you're a fool if you think that will succeed' battering. Like any investment it is a risk, and for those that want to take that chance, that is their choice to make and live with. But why so many 'experienced' (yeh!) domainers, feel that need to adamently play 'devils advocate' to others on this extension is really perplexing. What is the real skeptism that so many seem to share on this extension, that they were unwilling to share with previous extension rollouts?? I'm sure a lot of domainers would have appreciated such feedback on those extensions, in hindsight! There must be a underlying reason, that only a few seem to be privy to, is my assumption.

Will you all be ragging on .tel too??

mejcdj · 03-05-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by hawkeye

OK!! This is what I don't get. I've been involved in domaining since '98. I've been reading forums and watching others etc. etc. to learn and be as knowledgeable as I can, so my falls aren't so hard. However, I've never read so many put downs, reasonings, 'let me tell you' advice, 'this is why it will never work!' ragging on any other extension before as this one! Nobody was saying ".info will be a failure because it has no traffic in the first 5 months so it's doomed!" ".US is unknown, we have .com, who needs it!" ".BIZ you're all throwing away your money" etc. etc. etc.!!! These and other extensions were accepted, bought, sold, profitered from, had successful websites, and have had and continue to have, a longevity in usage. Yet .mobi, the most reasoned need for, thought out for marketing, with set standards for a specific purpose, etc. etc. extension to roll out, and there is constant drumming of 'you're a fool if you think that will succeed' battering. Like any investment it is a risk, and for those that want to take that chance, that is their choice to make and live with. But why so many 'experienced' (yeh!) domainers, feel that need to adamently play 'devils advocate' to others on this extension is really perplexing. What is the real skeptism that so many seem to share on this extension, that they were unwilling to share with previous extension rollouts?? I'm sure a lot of domainers would have appreciated such feedback on those extensions, in hindsight! There must be a underlying reason that only a few seem to be privy to is my assumption.

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Good question/s!

I have been asking and wondering that myself for quite some time. I have been reducing my posts and have been sticking to reading. I still don't understand the big uproar either.

Its just an extension. Maybe with a little more purpose in the planning than the last several releases, but it is still JUST and extension.

pcaero · 03-05-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Has he said this or is it a guess? I believe he has quite alot of .co.uk, .net and .org domains
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How would it be right or wrong? Are you saying morally he should not say anything bad about .mobi in case it puts off buyers?

No,
I'm saying his point of view is skewed, and biased.
This is not a wrong or right, it's an opinion, and as such,
should be treated as such.

I'm not advocating anyone go out and buy thousands of mobi's.
If mobi flops, then great life goes on…
I make and lose money daily..
The key is to have more winners than losers, and in this aspect I have been fortunate.
I can say I would be dead broke If I would have followed "so called experts"
Not a right or wrong, but an observation.

regards

pc

-db- · 03-05-2007, 08:06 PM

Hey there Hawkeye, how are you doing buddy? Good I hope.

Originally Posted by hawkeye

Nobody was saying....

".US is unknown, we have .com, who needs it!"

Just to clarify, yes they were, and many still are today, almost 5 years later!
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Being a .US supporter, I know all about fighting an uphill-battle, and dealing with skeptics.

Believe me.

thebiffenator · 03-05-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by thinking1

You're the man! I was about to make another post about telling everyone to develop their mobi names but I figured I'll wait another week till after traffic.

Development is truely the way Mobi will succeed!

What's funny is that we, "the domainers" are actually now going to dictate whether or not mobi does well. We are the ones with the majority of the names now. If we choose to develop our best or the majority of what we own, the extension will most likely do well.

on the flipside if we hold onto them and park them it will have a horrible impact on the extension.

Develop your mobi names! It's not a joke! If mobi does have a chance of doing well it will only come from content on the mobile web.

Exactly Thinking One, and we at namepros have got to work together, to make it launch. And the best way is to DEVELOP. And I want to offer my services to other people on the name pros community, that want to develop their .mobi name.

I am a graphic artist for about 10 years and have done some great stuff in some national magazines ect..., and who ever needs a logo I will be gladly to help another Namepros'ers in this community to get .mobi started "FOR FREE." ....But I can only handle so much at a time due to my "stupid job that I work 10 hours a day for currently" Right now I can handle up to 5 logos total for the first 5 people willing to develop their .mobi sites. 1 logo per person

(I don't want to change the topic or steal this thread, I am sorry if it offends anyone, but PM me if interested to help out .mobi for the NamePros Community!) And lets show them what .mobi is all about!
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jollyjo · 03-05-2007, 08:18 PM

Snoop,

Yes...I think someone like Frank given his stake should choose his words carefully.

His thoughts on the negative impact many Mobi drops a year or so from now would have on the domaining community are in a sense the same as any negative comments from him about Mobi or any other extension for that matter.

GeoOwners · 03-05-2007, 09:52 PM

Domaining is a mirror image of stock markets...EVERYONE is an expert and EVERYONE thinks they're right...in reality...nobody knows whats going to happen even tomorrow.

Mobineer · 03-05-2007, 09:56 PM

Frank Schilling is an astute businessman -- I believe he has acquired one of the most lucrative domain portfolios in history... give the man credit --- he acquired this amazing portfolio with great intuition, analytical skills and knowledge...I believe the legendary Yun was the only one with a portfolio with a greater valuation ($160 million)...

Like many on this forum, I cannot comprehend why the "mobi" extension has engendered such rancor and disgust...is it because mobi domainers are perceived as speculators seeking "fool's gold"? or the registry is considered "picks and shovels" sales charlatans selling "mobi dream" to speculators...
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BTW -- certainly aware the "picks and shovels" occurred during the SF gold-rush; actually, these "picks and shovels" have been sold and traded since pre-Colombian and anti-deluvian times, and even during the stone ages...

but I believe it was one of the so-called "Fathers of the Internet" Vincent Cerf (now resident innovation tech guru/strategist at Google) who used the analogy of comparing the dot com gold rush fever to the SF gold rush fever when the "picks and shovels" sellers got richer than the gold seekers... this quote got picked up in the Media; it carried over and focused on the telecoms (sellers of "fiber", "packets", optics", etc), and "irrational exuberance" "picks and shovels" became media mantras, triggering devaluations and bubble bursting...

per "Mobi" --- with a jaundiced eye, I see great promise, but with a great deal of risk -- over-speculation will hinder its progress -- the key to its success will be its global development...

So, Mobi domainers, let's use our resources, tools, and creativity ("picks and shovels) to develop and build some great Mobi sites!

I'm in the process of digging (hopely not into an early grave) into my pockets and developing mobi after mobi after mobi...

I wish you all well - whether your are anti or pro-domainers, or merely watching on the sidelines...

it's the new mobile spectator sport - mobi bashers vs mobi praisers!

Onwards...!

hawkeye · 03-05-2007, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

Hey there Hawkeye, how are you doing buddy? Good I hope.

Just to clarify, yes they were, and many still are today, almost 5 years later!

Being a .US supporter, I know all about fighting an uphill-battle, and dealing with skeptics.

Believe me.

Hey db, what up? I'm hanging in there and being amused reading these threads. ha! I don't think there was as much anti .us back then as there is now to mobi. But, all we can do is fight the good fight for the extensions we like! GL to you and .us.

pchip · 03-05-2007, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by dentalpro

Domaining is a mirror image of stock markets...EVERYONE is an expert and EVERYONE thinks they're right...in reality...nobody knows whats going to happen even tomorrow.

Well said!

steven22 · 03-05-2007, 10:27 PM

I think you missed Frank's point. If he really felt .mobi would be anything at all, he would have invested in it. If he felt it was any risk to his .com portfolio, he would have hedged against it. He had access to the names just as ALL OF YOU did. To someone with his "alpha" buying 50K or 100,000 .mobi names is nothing. You guys can read into what you want too. However, he is saying in general that .mobi is a hyped pure snake and oil extension that doesn't warrant an investment in his opinion.

On that note, I think .mobi is pure crap as well.

FathomJH · 03-05-2007, 10:43 PM

You guys are funny. It's just domains. You guys act like you were insulted. And if you feel that you were, well, I have to LOL.

hedgefund · 03-05-2007, 10:54 PM

Guys, lets wait till Thursday, the traffic auction will speak itself.

shopperx · 03-05-2007, 11:00 PM

Hate threads are getting really boring these days, at this point i don't think anyone will change his/her mind about mobi because of someones' opinion.

Time for haters to find another hobby IMO, .tel is coming and needs some hate.

scandiman · 03-05-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by steven22

On that note, I think .mobi is pure crap as well.

Wow this is such an educational thread and here is the pièce de résistance. Reminds me of my neighbors mutt that walks over to my green lawn and takes a dump.

I'm still baffled with the anger and vitriol directed to .mobi and its enthusiasts. What is the hidden agenda, I still haven't figured it out.

hugegrowth · 03-05-2007, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

And the fact remains, the mobile Internet doesn't need the .mobi extension. The mobile Internet is here already, and will continue to come, regardless of what's on the right-side of the DOT.

I don't agree with this argument. That's like saying the regular internet doesn't need .biz, .info, ccTLDs, or .org. The internet would survive with just .com and .net, there would just be more websites with crappy, long names.

Yes, the mobile internet doesn't need .mobi, but if you are going to develop a mobile website, a .mobi domain will become your top 1 or 2 choice. That is how it is going to play out, and that is why .mobi will have value. It's being tailored to a technology that's growing faster than PC internet use throughout the world.

mobimaster · 03-05-2007, 11:44 PM

Ou, everybody, that is just his own opinion about .mobi

I think all of you shall pay attention to the post from "Mobimaster".

http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/300...important.html

mjnels · 03-05-2007, 11:57 PM

he said..she said... but this big domainer has........ well then why wouldnt he..... if i had... but then why arnt they........ok welll then....... but THIS OTHER big domainer said... but then ALWAYS remember........ never do.....................this........ willl.....be......the................

hi.

oldtimer · 03-06-2007, 12:09 AM

The truth of the matter is that most domainers would be very happy if they could own some premium dot coms like the author of this article, but as we all know if you only have a few hundred dollars to invest your chances of getting a premium dot com is close to zero, and that’s why that many domainers take their chances with new extensions, because with a little brainstorming and a little luck they have a good chance to find a decent domain, we all know that there is a tradeoff when it comes to new extensions, you can get in with a small investment, but your success is not guaranteed and may take a long time to materialize, we are still willing to take our chances with new extensions because frankly the average domainer can’t afford the same caliber and quality of domains in dot com. For dot mobi to become successful it does not have to dominate the whole mobile internet, many people might choose to use their existing dot coms, but if only a small percentage of those few billion mobile users around the world decide to use dot mobi that will translate to thousands of visitors for popular and useful mobi websites, the traffic will come once dot mobi is established as a mobile compatible extension. IMO

03-05-2007, 07:48 PM	#27 (permalink)
labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,277 Follow @supportforums	Guys like schilling are "domainers"...they rarely develop and make huge income off traffic and advertising. He is pretty much the original spectator yet is voicing against mobi spectating...makes you really wonder. http://frankschilling.typepad.com/ Reading more of his writings he appears to be very insightful. __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

03-05-2007, 07:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
thebiffenator NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 835	whether .mobi succeeds or fails only time will tell. But if the head honchos or "want to be head honchos" don't aggree with .mobi then it's fine with me, its their oppinion. But it will never stop me from developing my .mobi names as much as I can. Out of the 45 .mobi names I bought, I plan on developing 85% of them ASAP. Infact 15 of them are dedicated to one area that I will develop after the bandwidth of the mobile phone increases. My point is that (who cares what these people say about .mobi right now.....Most people predicted apple to fall as well) Lets all DEVELOP (even if its simple at first) and show them different. And the best way to show these people what .mobi can do is to DEVELOP...DEVELOP and DEVELOP.....A.S.A.P The only thing that will stop .mobi is "No Development" for the enduser! IMHO Tommorrow...Show your friends/coworkers ect... how quickly a .mobi loads up... They will be shocked..Trust me! __________________ mobiz.mobi USA's Mobile Locator Try it out! PHANS.MOBI Join Phans.mobi Phillies AreThe MLB Champs!!! Support the best team in Baseball.

03-05-2007, 08:18 PM	#37 (permalink)
jollyjo NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 81	Snoop, Yes...I think someone like Frank given his stake should choose his words carefully. His thoughts on the negative impact many Mobi drops a year or so from now would have on the domaining community are in a sense the same as any negative comments from him about Mobi or any other extension for that matter. __________________ JOLLYJO \|JOLLYJO TV

03-05-2007, 09:52 PM	#38 (permalink)
GeoOwners Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Near Chicago Posts: 2,397	Domaining is a mirror image of stock markets...EVERYONE is an expert and EVERYONE thinks they're right...in reality...nobody knows whats going to happen even tomorrow. __________________ MortgageandLoan.com

03-05-2007, 10:54 PM	#44 (permalink)
hedgefund NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608	Guys, lets wait till Thursday, the traffic auction will speak itself. __________________ iTravel.mobi - Interstate Highway Travel Guide \| iAnswer.mobi \| Why.mobi?

03-05-2007, 09:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
Mobineer Account Suspended Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 234	Frank Schilling is an astute businessman -- I believe he has acquired one of the most lucrative domain portfolios in history... give the man credit --- he acquired this amazing portfolio with great intuition, analytical skills and knowledge...I believe the legendary Yun was the only one with a portfolio with a greater valuation ($160 million)... Like many on this forum, I cannot comprehend why the "mobi" extension has engendered such rancor and disgust...is it because mobi domainers are perceived as speculators seeking "fool's gold"? or the registry is considered "picks and shovels" sales charlatans selling "mobi dream" to speculators... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=301564 BTW -- certainly aware the "picks and shovels" occurred during the SF gold-rush; actually, these "picks and shovels" have been sold and traded since pre-Colombian and anti-deluvian times, and even during the stone ages... but I believe it was one of the so-called "Fathers of the Internet" Vincent Cerf (now resident innovation tech guru/strategist at Google) who used the analogy of comparing the dot com gold rush fever to the SF gold rush fever when the "picks and shovels" sellers got richer than the gold seekers... this quote got picked up in the Media; it carried over and focused on the telecoms (sellers of "fiber", "packets", optics", etc), and "irrational exuberance" "picks and shovels" became media mantras, triggering devaluations and bubble bursting... per "Mobi" --- with a jaundiced eye, I see great promise, but with a great deal of risk -- over-speculation will hinder its progress -- the key to its success will be its global development... So, Mobi domainers, let's use our resources, tools, and creativity ("picks and shovels) to develop and build some great Mobi sites! I'm in the process of digging (hopely not into an early grave) into my pockets and developing mobi after mobi after mobi... I wish you all well - whether your are anti or pro-domainers, or merely watching on the sidelines... it's the new mobile spectator sport - mobi bashers vs mobi praisers! Onwards...!

03-05-2007, 10:27 PM	#42 (permalink)
steven22 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 246	I think you missed Frank's point. If he really felt .mobi would be anything at all, he would have invested in it. If he felt it was any risk to his .com portfolio, he would have hedged against it. He had access to the names just as ALL OF YOU did. To someone with his "alpha" buying 50K or 100,000 .mobi names is nothing. You guys can read into what you want too. However, he is saying in general that .mobi is a hyped pure snake and oil extension that doesn't warrant an investment in his opinion. On that note, I think .mobi is pure crap as well.

03-05-2007, 10:43 PM	#43 (permalink)
FathomJH NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: U.S. Posts: 413	You guys are funny. It's just domains. You guys act like you were insulted. And if you feel that you were, well, I have to LOL.

03-05-2007, 11:00 PM	#45 (permalink)
shopperx http://domains.shxp.net Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 557	Hate threads are getting really boring these days, at this point i don't think anyone will change his/her mind about mobi because of someones' opinion. Time for haters to find another hobby IMO, .tel is coming and needs some hate. __________________ Poker Domains \| Gambling Domain Appraisal Tool \| Gambling Domain Sales History \| Gambling Domain Trends

03-05-2007, 11:44 PM	#48 (permalink)
mobimaster Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5	Ou, everybody, that is just his own opinion about .mobi I think all of you shall pay attention to the post from "Mobimaster". http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/300...important.html

03-05-2007, 11:57 PM	#49 (permalink)
mjnels Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 2,181	he said..she said... but this big domainer has........ well then why wouldnt he..... if i had... but then why arnt they........ok welll then....... but THIS OTHER big domainer said... but then ALWAYS remember........ never do.....................this........ willl.....be......the................ hi.

03-06-2007, 12:09 AM	#50 (permalink)
oldtimer NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA Posts: 626	The truth of the matter is that most domainers would be very happy if they could own some premium dot coms like the author of this article, but as we all know if you only have a few hundred dollars to invest your chances of getting a premium dot com is close to zero, and that’s why that many domainers take their chances with new extensions, because with a little brainstorming and a little luck they have a good chance to find a decent domain, we all know that there is a tradeoff when it comes to new extensions, you can get in with a small investment, but your success is not guaranteed and may take a long time to materialize, we are still willing to take our chances with new extensions because frankly the average domainer can’t afford the same caliber and quality of domains in dot com. For dot mobi to become successful it does not have to dominate the whole mobile internet, many people might choose to use their existing dot coms, but if only a small percentage of those few billion mobile users around the world decide to use dot mobi that will translate to thousands of visitors for popular and useful mobi websites, the traffic will come once dot mobi is established as a mobile compatible extension. IMO

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