Today's interesting fact...

scandiman · 03-05-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Chuck_Fickens

...how on earth can more mobile users be bad for .mobi...??

I've been wondering the same thing. Confusing isn't it.

mjnels · 03-05-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Chuck_Fickens

so whats that got to do with what i wrote?? how on earth can more mobile users be bad for .mobi...??

Chuck, are you high?

scandiman · 03-05-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chuck_Fickens

so whats that got to do with what i wrote??

Well, you said, "Im willing to bet that everything Jesse and Roy have written in this thread will stand the test of time." but these same posters were essentially debating in favor of ofclean's statement.

iMODO Man · 03-05-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by mjnels

Chuck, are you high?

sure, about 140ft.... Assuming were talking above sea level. Why d'you ask me this in a .mobi discussion thread?

mobidick · 03-05-2007, 03:55 PM

Quote:

...how on earth can more mobile users be bad for .mobi...??

we rest our case... next thread please!

ofclean · 03-05-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by mobidick

Please enlighten us dumb lemmings... why increasing mobile traffic will be bad for .mobi? It hasn't proven bad for dir.mobi, has it? Perhaps you have some counter examples to show us? Please save us before it's too late!

I already explained it in the original post.

iMODO Man · 03-05-2007, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Well, you said, "Im willing to bet that everything Jesse and Roy have written in this thread will stand the test of time." but these same posters were essentially debating in favor of ofclean's statement.

Sorry Bro, Ive re-read all of Labroccas and Whitebark's posts and dont read that anywhere..
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i see where Jesse says that the more mobile sites there are not using .mobi is bad for the extension, but i must have missed the part about him saying more mobile users is bad for the extension. I read that as two different lines of thought.

And i really dont have a clue where mjnels and mobidick are coming from.. Or infact from what planet theyre from. But just incase they arent the spambots i believe them to be, when i said "how on earth can more mobile users be bad for the extension?", this is infact a question, rhetoric that intimates I am in disbelief and am opposing anyone who believes this to be the case...

whitebark · 03-05-2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Well, you said, "Im willing to bet that everything Jesse and Roy have written in this thread will stand the test of time." but these same posters were essentially debating in favor of ofclean's statement.

Wrong assumption - i made no such claim. My clear position was - cnn not using .mobi cannot be anything but BAD news for .mobi. There is nothing good in that announcement - nothing. My example was meant to show twisted logic - nothing more.

More people might access that website (cnn) with mobile devices but again - that has nothing to do with .mobi the extension - nothing, zip, nada, zero.

Outside of the hardcore .mobi domain investors - nobody cares. They really don't care one single iota about .mobi. They might care about accessing the web via a mobile device and having it work, but again, standards or not, they don't know about, and if even they did, won't care if .mobi succeeds or fails.

And if it does fail that is not the end of the mobile Internet - not by a long-shot. Existing technology is already surpassing the need for a specialized extension and set of coding standards. But we have been down this road and most prefer to ignore that reality. I would hope those would be the ones holding one of the few decent .mobi domains as they will succeed regardless.

Someone answer me this riddle - why are the majority of mobifanatics for lack of better term, those who don't develop websites themselves? Dare I say that lack of intimate knowledge of website creation and functionality helps cloud their judgement?

scandiman · 03-05-2007, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Chuck_Fickens

Sorry Bro, Ive re-read all of Labroccas and Whitebark's posts and dont read that anywhere..

i see where Jesse says that the more mobile sites there are not using .mobi is bad for the extension, but i must have missed the part about him saying more mobile users is bad for the extension. I read that as two different lines of thought.

First off, you are correct that they didn't directly support ofclean's remarks. I see that my post suggests this and I am wrong. The electric vehicle analogy is where Labrocca comes close saying "It's a perfect example imho because more mobile device sales isn't good news for mobi...it's good news for mobile which is NOT the same." Since Whitebark started the auto industry comparison, I joined their comments inappropriately.

That being said, this is where I differ with Labrocca. More device sales is good news for mobi because it means there are more mobile users. More mobile users = good news for .mobi.

Originally Posted by Chuck_Fickens

...when i said "how on earth can more mobile users be bad for the extension?", this is infact a question, rhetoric that intimates I am in disbelief and am opposing anyone who believes this to be the case...

Then would you agree with Labrocca as quoted above because that is what he is suggesting.

Originally Posted by whitebark

Wrong assumption - i made no such claim.

I agree and have admitted my error.
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Originally Posted by whitebark

My clear position was - cnn not using .mobi cannot be anything but BAD news for .mobi. There is nothing good in that announcement - nothing. My example was meant to show twisted logic - nothing more.

So just to be clear, if/when cnn.mobi goes live will you feel it is good for .mobi?

Originally Posted by whitebark

Someone answer me this riddle - why are the majority of mobifanatics for lack of better term, those who don't develop websites themselves? Dare I say that lack of intimate knowledge of website creation and functionality helps cloud their judgement?

Well, you are not specifically referring to me but it sure feels like it. With about 10 serious sites in the works I assure you that my contribution to the .mobi content space is forthcoming. After that come dozens more. My apologies to all for being a slow coder. Apparently it is clouding my judgment.

labrocca · 03-05-2007, 06:22 PM

Scandiman...stop and take a breathe. No one here is talking about traffic of mobi AT ALL. This entire topic is about CNN not using the mobi extension for it's mobile website. That's it!

You are and have been trying to SPIN this into a mobi-hater debate and force those skeptical of mobi's future into an all out debate. You do this because you are trying to spin away from the real story in this thread. There is no way you can say that CNN using cnnmobile.com is GOOD the mobi extension. We may be able to argue the point about mobile devices sales being good for mobi but I won't even waste my breathe if you believe that CNN dismissing mobi entirely for it's mobile content is somehow GOOD news for mobi.

You and your ilk seem to think mobile internet means mobi. I beg to differ. Was the electric car good for the auto industry?

Be real in your discussions and realistic and maybe your points would be heard. If you just want to have a cultist mentality that mobi can do no wrong then you will just be ignored by the more moderate domainers that read this site. You simply don't sound reasonable in your argument.

Originally Posted by hawkeye

uh, not really a good analogy labrocca, as the electric car, like alternative fuels and early hybrids, was decimated for failure by the 'incahoots' oil and car industries. It's only been of late as the consumer pressures or demands have forced it back to the forefront of interest. just an observation here.

Yes and it's the domainers "incahoots" that may decimate .mobi. That's my opinion. All this hype from within the domainer community isn't translating to the general public. Consumer demand for mobile internet may eventually happen but just as the hybrid cars have overcome electric cars...mobi may be overcome by something else in the future. Mobi imho is not well thought out. It's entire mission is flawed and will hamper it's growth and acceptability to end-users and corporations that are trying to decide it's viability.
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Thank you.

seanboy · 03-05-2007, 06:50 PM

You've got alot of nerve to accuse some of the people here of being cultists. I have .mobi domains, and I have my arguments for and against .mobi, and I'm not about to let you insult me or anyone else here of being a "cultist." You can have your opinions on .mobi or any other extention, but watch what you say and what you accuse people of. No one here is forcing poison down anyone's throat, and I'm not going to let you tarnish my or anyone else's rep with such an insult. I don't care how long you've been domaining or how many sales you've had, keep your pathetic name-calling to yourself.

labrocca · 03-05-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by seanboy

You've got alot of nerve to accuse some of the people here of being cultists. I have .mobi domains, and I have my arguments for and against .mobi, and I'm not about to let you insult me or anyone else here of being a "cultist." You can have your opinions on .mobi or any other extention, but watch what you say and what you accuse people of. No one here is forcing poison down anyone's throat, and I'm not going to let you tarnish my or anyone else rep with such an insult. I don't care how long you've been domaining or how many sales you've had, keep your pathetic name-calling to yourself.

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ooo....scary...

Maybe you should brush up on your meaning of the word cult and how I have used it in proper context.

http://www.answers.com/cult?nafid=3

Quote:

An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

Seems to fit perfectly to SOME of the people here. I didn't name call anyone btw and I do have a whole lot of nerve..enough to stand up and speak my mind. If you don't like my posts...add me to your ignore list. My message seems to be ignored my some anyway.

-db- · 03-05-2007, 07:06 PM

Humans share 98-99 percent of DNA with chimpanzees.

scandiman · 03-05-2007, 07:24 PM

Labrocca, my breathing is fine, thanks for caring.

If you check with post #2 of this thread, you'll see I was responding to the thread title, "Good news for mobile, NOTHING good for mobi" (emphasis added). If that is a source of confusion here then I apologize.

You accuse me of SPIN while I am guilty of looking at the bigger picture. Compelling mobile content in general is very important to grow the numbers of mobile web users, which by the way is the primary user base of .mobi. As a result I am thankful that CNN is investing in mobile content, it can only contribute to the user base of .mobi. Similarly, I am sure the carriers trying to sell more mobile internet plans are thrilled to see additional content being made available.

Never here have I said the mobile internet means .mobi. In fact I reluctantly use the terms mobile internet or mobile web since these terms are used in different ways. Carriers use the terms in reference to wireless connectivity since for them it is a revenue stream, be it a handheld or a 17" laptop. Screen size is irrelevant to wireless connectivity. As a web developer though, the focus is on providing content that is usable to small screened devices, and/or providing content that takes into account the physical location of the user. Completely different meanings and it is sometimes difficult to know which one someone is referring to. Regardless, .mobi does not equal any of these. It is a branding opportunity for sites with content that is friendly to small screened devices. That is what I have repeatedly said in many NP threads.

labrocca · 03-05-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

Humans share 98-99 percent of DNA with chimpanzees.
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Speaking of which....when are we gonna have .dna? lol

And Scandiman...it's all good. I just saw this thread going way off from it's intention of discussion. The skeptics vs the cultists (I am gonna use this word more often now) can easily become heated.

scandiman · 03-05-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

And Scandiman...it's all good. I just saw this thread going way off from it's intention of discussion. The skeptics vs the cultists (I am gonna use this word more often now) can easily become heated.

OK, but don't complain when I come up with a term equally abrasive to the skeptics.

seanboy · 03-05-2007, 07:54 PM

The point that i was trying to make is that i'm sure some people don't want to be called that. My apologies if you took anything I said as some sort of threat. I'll admit that some people go overboard here, but using the word "cult" just has a negative connotation to it. But whatever, its over...

On to the original topic..

I'm not too concerned with CNN. No one knows what they're really up to yet. They were using CNNmoney.mobi for awhile and even mention it on one of their sites:

http://money.cnn.com/services/mobile/
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(middle of the page)

The link to cnnmoney.mobi doesn't seem to be working now, so maybe they're done with it. We'll see.

I have some decent one-word names and a few LLL's, so i'm not too worried about my investment. I didn't spend thousands on dot mobi like some of the others here. A few of my names are in development, and one of them is getting a little traffic already.

I will say that, being involved in the mobile web for over 2 years now, that I've seen the number of mobile web sites double over the past year, and .mobi is definitley part of the reason for that. I think mtld has been successful in helping to increase the awreness of the mobile web. Whether or not .mobi succeeds is yet to be seen.

whitebark · 03-05-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

Humans share 98-99 percent of DNA with chimpanzees.

This was the most intelligent, clear and concise post of the lot - and point well made.

But be careful we could have a creationist vs evolutionist thread begin in place of you hate .mobi vs no I don't.

labrocca · 03-06-2007, 12:28 AM

Creationism is to mobi as Evolution is to .com

There I did it!

Quote:

The link to cnnmoney.mobi doesn't seem to be working now, so maybe they're done with it. We'll see.

WOW...now that's bad news. I bet traffic was abysmal and they pulled the plug. How can this news be thought of as anything but bad news. Does it overall effect mobi in such a was that it's ruined..no of course not. But it's a sign. It's something that says to me...a major organization that deals primarily in information has failed to benefit from mobi and has decided to drop it in favor of the well known .com.
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Originally Posted by scandiman

OK, but don't complain when I come up with a term equally abrasive to the skeptics.

You can call me what you want as long as it's honest.

I pretty much heard them all though...mobi-basher, mobi-hater...whatever. If you like you can call me part of the CNO Cult...btw.. cnocult.com is available.

mjnels · 03-06-2007, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

WOW...now that's bad news. I bet traffic was abysmal and they pulled the plug. How can this news be thought of as anything but bad news. Does it overall effect mobi in such a was that it's ruined..no of course not. But it's a sign. It's something that says to me...a major organization that deals primarily in information has failed to benefit from mobi and has decided to drop it in favor of the well known .com.

Oh, the Humanity!!!!

OH NO.
GLOOM AND DOOM.
boom boom.

This guy is the biggest HYPER of them all... "its a sign", heh.. give me a break.

"It's something that says to me...a major organization that deals primarily in information has failed to benefit from mobi and has decided to drop it in favor of the well known .com"

way to HYPE up the news labrocca.

dag · 03-06-2007, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Creationism is to mobi as Evolution is to .com

There I did it!

Ha...someone had to.
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However, I think "Evolution is to .mobi" would be a much more accurate analogy...

(Not that I think "Creationism is to .com" would be, however...)

Originally Posted by labrocca

WOW...now that's bad news. I bet traffic was abysmal and they pulled the plug.

Actually, cnnmoney.mobi always redirected to http://mobile.cnn.com anyway, and THAT is what's down. Guess that means that silly ol' .COM extension isn't long for this world, doesn't it! (And yes, that's a joke...don't go off on a tirade, anyone.)

iMODO Man · 03-06-2007, 01:14 AM

I go away and make a cup of coffee and it seems in my absence weve teetered toward and then back from .MWIII

Maybe its just me but I dont really understand why domainers have to have a 'camp' in this denate and/or have to be labelled a .mobi skeptic or out-and-out supporter.

Surely were all domainers hoping that whatever extension is a success, were all on board and making a pretty penny. And if were not, then we wish those that are the best. Certainly in all my years domaining, i ve never once felt any jealousy when what I thought was garbage ended up being valuable and I wasnt there feasting on all the low hanging fruit. And anything spoken about .mobi now is pure speculation, these are all just opinions. I personally like facts and the only reason I join the ".mobi is crap" or "WOW, isnt .mobi great" threads is because neither is factually correct. Once something tangible is in the public domain then well all have a better understanding.
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In fact the only thing I can safely report is the majority of .mobi registrations I see on this board are terrible. The trap newbies seem to be falling into when they read the "how great is .mobi" threads is by becoming over zealous and believing a .mobi domain works as well as a .com when in fact only certain subjects potentially will do.

My support of whitebark and labrocca is because I see the meaning behind their posts. They, from what i read and i hope im not wrong, make their views not because they want .mobi to fail but more because they are pouring cold water over an over-excited mob feeding on something that might be worthless.

Maybe a good analogy is, i see Jesse and Roy as Steven Seagal types walking from the burnt out .mobi wreckage (its set in the future), and just before the credits roll, they appear carrying a fallen newbie in their arms (theyre obviously dressed as a fireman and a little burnt) and just before the end they say "If i can save just one newbie from this carnage, then its all been worth it"....

scandiman · 03-06-2007, 07:53 AM

Chuck, the problem with your analogy is that Jesse and Roy are also the ones carrying the gas and matches. It is great to feel like a hero when you're the ones setting the fires.

rosh86 · 03-06-2007, 08:36 AM

hi,

ive emailed cnn asking them exactly whats going on ... so to bring you the real reason why their mobile site is down (both .com and .mobi). Furthermore, I asked them how come it allways redirects to the long .com mobile site rather then staying on cnnmoney.mobi ...

so lets wait and see what happens,

most likely they are sorting it out ...

Rosh

labrocca · 03-06-2007, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Chuck, the problem with your analogy is that Jesse and Roy are also the ones carrying the gas and matches. It is great to feel like a hero when you're the ones setting the fires.

oh no...the gas and matches come out if I ever decide to start an anti mobi blog. It's been in my head now for a couple months. I like the cold water analogy and personally that's how I feel about it. Mobi is overly heated and should be cooled off into a realistic realm. I still see terrible registrations for the extension and daily hype. Maybe this is the fault of namepros itself? This site seems to have a fair amount of new and growing member base..they see right on the top the mobi forums and lots of positive posts about how amazing mobi is and all the "potential" it has. Places like DNF with a very seasoned domainer crowd and no dedicated mobi area doesn't have the same problems with hype...to them it's just another extension.

03-05-2007, 06:50 PM	#61 (permalink)
seanboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,212	You've got alot of nerve to accuse some of the people here of being cultists. I have .mobi domains, and I have my arguments for and against .mobi, and I'm not about to let you insult me or anyone else here of being a "cultist." You can have your opinions on .mobi or any other extention, but watch what you say and what you accuse people of. No one here is forcing poison down anyone's throat, and I'm not going to let you tarnish my or anyone else's rep with such an insult. I don't care how long you've been domaining or how many sales you've had, keep your pathetic name-calling to yourself. Last edited by seanboy; 03-05-2007 at 07:00 PM.

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03-05-2007, 07:54 PM	#67 (permalink)
seanboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,212	The point that i was trying to make is that i'm sure some people don't want to be called that. My apologies if you took anything I said as some sort of threat. I'll admit that some people go overboard here, but using the word "cult" just has a negative connotation to it. But whatever, its over... On to the original topic.. I'm not too concerned with CNN. No one knows what they're really up to yet. They were using CNNmoney.mobi for awhile and even mention it on one of their sites: http://money.cnn.com/services/mobile/ ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=301065 (middle of the page) The link to cnnmoney.mobi doesn't seem to be working now, so maybe they're done with it. We'll see. I have some decent one-word names and a few LLL's, so i'm not too worried about my investment. I didn't spend thousands on dot mobi like some of the others here. A few of my names are in development, and one of them is getting a little traffic already. I will say that, being involved in the mobile web for over 2 years now, that I've seen the number of mobile web sites double over the past year, and .mobi is definitley part of the reason for that. I think mtld has been successful in helping to increase the awreness of the mobile web. Whether or not .mobi succeeds is yet to be seen. Last edited by seanboy; 03-05-2007 at 08:12 PM.

03-06-2007, 08:36 AM	#74 (permalink)
rosh86 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chichester UK Posts: 391	hi, ive emailed cnn asking them exactly whats going on ... so to bring you the real reason why their mobile site is down (both .com and .mobi). Furthermore, I asked them how come it allways redirects to the long .com mobile site rather then staying on cnnmoney.mobi ... so lets wait and see what happens, most likely they are sorting it out ... Rosh __________________ coming soon:www.ExpertMobi.com Wanted: Premium .mobi - Budget: $x,xxx

03-05-2007, 07:24 PM	#64 (permalink)
scandiman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: living in exile Posts: 3,853	Labrocca, my breathing is fine, thanks for caring. If you check with post #2 of this thread, you'll see I was responding to the thread title, "Good news for mobile, NOTHING* good for mobi"* (emphasis added). If that is a source of confusion here then I apologize. You accuse me of SPIN while I am guilty of looking at the bigger picture. Compelling mobile content in general is very important to grow the numbers of mobile web users, which by the way is the primary user base of .mobi. As a result I am thankful that CNN is investing in mobile content, it can only contribute to the user base of .mobi. Similarly, I am sure the carriers trying to sell more mobile internet plans are thrilled to see additional content being made available. Never here have I said the mobile internet means .mobi. In fact I reluctantly use the terms mobile internet or mobile web since these terms are used in different ways. Carriers use the terms in reference to wireless connectivity since for them it is a revenue stream, be it a handheld or a 17" laptop. Screen size is irrelevant to wireless connectivity. As a web developer though, the focus is on providing content that is usable to small screened devices, and/or providing content that takes into account the physical location of the user. Completely different meanings and it is sometimes difficult to know which one someone is referring to. Regardless, .mobi does not equal any of these. It is a branding opportunity for sites with content that is friendly to small screened devices. That is what I have repeatedly said in many NP threads.

03-06-2007, 01:14 AM	#72 (permalink)
iMODO Man NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 97	I go away and make a cup of coffee and it seems in my absence weve teetered toward and then back from .MWIII Maybe its just me but I dont really understand why domainers have to have a 'camp' in this denate and/or have to be labelled a .mobi skeptic or out-and-out supporter. Surely were all domainers hoping that whatever extension is a success, were all on board and making a pretty penny. And if were not, then we wish those that are the best. Certainly in all my years domaining, i ve never once felt any jealousy when what I thought was garbage ended up being valuable and I wasnt there feasting on all the low hanging fruit. And anything spoken about .mobi now is pure speculation, these are all just opinions. I personally like facts and the only reason I join the ".mobi is crap" or "WOW, isnt .mobi great" threads is because neither is factually correct. Once something tangible is in the public domain then well all have a better understanding. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=301065 In fact the only thing I can safely report is the majority of .mobi registrations I see on this board are terrible. The trap newbies seem to be falling into when they read the "how great is .mobi" threads is by becoming over zealous and believing a .mobi domain works as well as a .com when in fact only certain subjects potentially will do. My support of whitebark and labrocca is because I see the meaning behind their posts. They, from what i read and i hope im not wrong, make their views not because they want .mobi to fail but more because they are pouring cold water over an over-excited mob feeding on something that might be worthless. Maybe a good analogy is, i see Jesse and Roy as Steven Seagal types walking from the burnt out .mobi wreckage (its set in the future), and just before the credits roll, they appear carrying a fallen newbie in their arms (theyre obviously dressed as a fireman and a little burnt) and just before the end they say "If i can save just one newbie from this carnage, then its all been worth it"....

03-06-2007, 07:53 AM	#73 (permalink)
scandiman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: living in exile Posts: 3,853	Chuck, the problem with your analogy is that Jesse and Roy are also the ones carrying the gas and matches. It is great to feel like a hero when you're the ones setting the fires.

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