PHP Coding Competition - Page 2

beaver6813 · 02-23-2007, 09:46 AM

I think a submission system like i posted above should be used... and maybe common libraries... but i'm not sure, perhaps at least a certain percentage of it should have to be your own work.

Barrucadu · 02-23-2007, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Amnezia

Doing all the code from scratch doesn't really represent quality coding.
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Only poor coders write everything from scratch, in a comercial enviroment you're encouraged to make use of existing frameworks where ever possible.

Yes, but if everything is written from scratch it reflects the abilities of the coder on their own, rather than their abilities using the help of big chunks of code other people have written.

Hitch · 02-23-2007, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by beaver6813

I think a submission system like i posted above should be used... and maybe common libraries... but i'm not sure, perhaps at least a certain percentage of it should have to be your own work.

Good idea.
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Though, it would possibly be easier just to PM the script.

Originally Posted by Mikor

Originally Posted by Amnezia

Doing all the code from scratch doesn't really represent quality coding.

Only poor coders write everything from scratch, in a comercial enviroment you're encouraged to make use of existing frameworks where ever possible.

Yes, but if everything is written from scratch it reflects the abilities of the coder on their own, rather than their abilities using the help of big chunks of code other people have written.

Correct.

Stumbling onto Pixel2Life, choosing a PHP tutorial, and using the final code shouldn't be allowed.

If the user wants to use PEAR, Zend, ok, i'm sure that could be allowed.
I hope you see what we are meaning, Amnezia.

Peter · 02-24-2007, 02:12 AM

what about if it is deemed that external frameworks/classes etc could be used then it would need to be pre approved. So if the script to be made needed to use a database then it could be stipulated that pear MDB2 could be used for example.

I 100% agree with Mikor and Hitch that the contest would need to relfect the users coding ability and not the ability to join other peoples scripts together to make 1 big script only to find very little was actually done yourself.

RJ · 03-13-2007, 01:24 PM

I would be ok seeing external classes used if they were pre-defined and approved before the contest starts (so everyone has an equal shot at using them).

Quote:

4. If the competition requires you to post code (Will be stated in the Starting Thread), you may add a notice, stating users may not redistribute, sell, or use your code.
Sadly, if they ignore this, there is not much that can happen.
(Most competitions may not require code to be posted)

Perhaps we should agree on a licensing schema like this one for code entered into the competition. It would be helpful to the competition if viewers could view the final entries. Programmers could then specify their terms of attribution, like requiring a link to their site be included if someone uses the code on their site.

iNod · 03-13-2007, 01:33 PM

I'd offer to judge if not I'd enter

I would love to see some programming comp here on namepros!

Maybe do something on the line of Google Summer Code comp. offer some prizes and let you develop what ever you want. We will go through the open code and judge based on the use of comments, advancity of the code, cleaniness, usablity, functionality, use of classes/objects, or what ever comes up.

With that said, I think we should not do a global poll judge but nomiate judges and let them judge the code itself. I think we should also allow for the use of excisting framework/objects/classes AS long as you own rights to it, it is opensource (common licensed or gpl) or have bought it and can show proof if requested. Also I think there should either be categories or it be wide open, create what ever you want. In the categories it would be judges base on the usablity and code. In what ever it will be judged based on the complexity, usablity, and the code.
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For the global one, meaning if somebody creates a EXTREMELY complex shoutbox with AJAX and a pile of other features unheard of. They will receive a higher mark than a 2,000 file crappy coded CMS.

- Steve

Hitch · 03-13-2007, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by -RJ-

I would be ok seeing external classes used if they were pre-defined and approved before the contest starts (so everyone has an equal shot at using them).

I will try and get a list up, of Frameworks etc...which i think should be allowed, then others can give their input, and add to it.

Originally Posted by -RJ-

Perhaps we should agree on a licensing schema like this one for code entered into the competition. It would be helpful to the competition if viewers could view the final entries. Programmers could then specify their terms of attribution, like requiring a link to their site be included if someone uses the code on their site.

Yeh, the CC License would be good, then the authors could specify their "terms" too.
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Though, posting code would be at their own "risk".

Originally Posted by iNod

I'd offer to judge if not I'd enter

I highly doubt it will be judged.
A anonymous vote/poll would be better in my opinion.

EDIT: Steve, just saw your edit.

Originally Posted by iNod

For the global one, meaning if somebody creates a EXTREMELY complex shoutbox with AJAX and a pile of other features unheard of. They will receive a higher mark than a 2,000 file crappy coded CMS.

Like we said, the "winners" will be chosen by a Poll.
So, there wouldn't really be needed for a "mark", as the complexity, and functionality of the script, will be reflected by the users vote of choice...(if i said that clearly.

ops: )

iNod · 03-13-2007, 01:58 PM

I agree, but polls are not the best way because if somebody wanted to win he could just signup with 15 different accounts and vote, I don't think the votes change if the account gets banned.

Mind you I don't know, if the polls do change if an account gets banned, than yes. Do it that way

- Steve

Hitch · 03-13-2007, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by iNod

I agree, but polls are not the best way because if somebody wanted to win he could just signup with 15 different accounts and vote, I don't think the votes change if the account gets banned.
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Mind you I don't know, if the polls do change if an account gets banned, than yes. Do it that way

- Steve

We would probably have to have a Public Vote.
So, the options would be "Script 1", "Script 2", "Script 3" etc...

But, on the "View Results", it would show who voted for who?
Then, we could quickly do a IP check on username's, if we did happen to suspect some "cheating".

Just a thought.

Hitch · 03-20-2007, 05:59 AM

Hey,

I'v being looking over various Frameworks, and, they all include major code, what could really "boost" someones chances of winning, by alot.

I think it would be better to not allow Frameworks, afterall, without them, it would show the coders skills.

The majority of code in Frameworks, could be used nearly all the way through someones script, not really showing the coders ability.

What is others thoughts on Frameworks?

chicker · 03-20-2007, 10:50 AM

I actually agree with hitch on the frameworks, I think we should remove them and make the code from scratch that way the coders style comes across. The thing with a poll is also some people will vote for the one they like or need rather then one that was coded well so for example here if someone made a really poorly coded domain script and someone else made a neat Login script (for example) in this community the domain one would probably get most votes, I think half should be poll and half judge or judges points on the code etc

Barrucadu · 03-20-2007, 11:20 AM

I agree completely on the frameworks thing hitch.

lee101 · 03-20-2007, 12:34 PM

I agree with not using frameworks, i think it should purely be coder's skills, showing what they can do, not how well they can read instructions and learn how to use frameworks.

Also, any idea when/if this will actually happen?

Hitch · 03-20-2007, 12:37 PM

Hopefully, very soon.
Looks like it would be better, not to use Frameworks then.

beaver6813 · 03-20-2007, 12:43 PM

Done! Fellow PHP Coders Start Your Engines!

View Poll Results: Is this a good idea?
Yes	16	66.67%
No	3	12.50%
It has good and bad points	5	20.83%
No opinion	0	0%
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02-23-2007, 09:46 AM	#26 (permalink)
beaver6813 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Posts: 392 Follow @beaver6813	I think a submission system like i posted above should be used... and maybe common libraries... but i'm not sure, perhaps at least a certain percentage of it should have to be your own work. __________________ -Beaver6813.com - Web Developer Extraordinaire!

03-13-2007, 01:33 PM	#31 (permalink)
iNod Eating Pie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272	I'd offer to judge if not I'd enter I would love to see some programming comp here on namepros! Maybe do something on the line of Google Summer Code comp. offer some prizes and let you develop what ever you want. We will go through the open code and judge based on the use of comments, advancity of the code, cleaniness, usablity, functionality, use of classes/objects, or what ever comes up. With that said, I think we should not do a global poll judge but nomiate judges and let them judge the code itself. I think we should also allow for the use of excisting framework/objects/classes AS long as you own rights to it, it is opensource (common licensed or gpl) or have bought it and can show proof if requested. Also I think there should either be categories or it be wide open, create what ever you want. In the categories it would be judges base on the usablity and code. In what ever it will be judged based on the complexity, usablity, and the code. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=296851 For the global one, meaning if somebody creates a EXTREMELY complex shoutbox with AJAX and a pile of other features unheard of. They will receive a higher mark than a 2,000 file crappy coded CMS. - Steve __________________ I feel old. Last edited by iNod; 03-13-2007 at 01:40 PM.

03-13-2007, 01:58 PM	#33 (permalink)
iNod Eating Pie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272	I agree, but polls are not the best way because if somebody wanted to win he could just signup with 15 different accounts and vote, I don't think the votes change if the account gets banned. Mind you I don't know, if the polls do change if an account gets banned, than yes. Do it that way - Steve __________________ I feel old.

03-20-2007, 05:59 AM	THREAD STARTER #35 (permalink)
Hitch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Uk, South Yorkshire Posts: 1,225 Follow @adrianc333	Hey, I'v being looking over various Frameworks, and, they all include major code, what could really "boost" someones chances of winning, by alot. I think it would be better to not allow Frameworks, afterall, without them, it would show the coders skills. The majority of code in Frameworks, could be used nearly all the way through someones script, not really showing the coders ability. What is others thoughts on Frameworks? __________________ Cueburst - Support System - FAQ Knowledge Base, Tickets and more.

02-24-2007, 02:12 AM	#29 (permalink)
Peter NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,069	what about if it is deemed that external frameworks/classes etc could be used then it would need to be pre approved. So if the script to be made needed to use a database then it could be stipulated that pear MDB2 could be used for example. I 100% agree with Mikor and Hitch that the contest would need to relfect the users coding ability and not the ability to join other peoples scripts together to make 1 big script only to find very little was actually done yourself.

03-20-2007, 10:50 AM	#36 (permalink)
chicker NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England Posts: 722	I actually agree with hitch on the frameworks, I think we should remove them and make the code from scratch that way the coders style comes across. The thing with a poll is also some people will vote for the one they like or need rather then one that was coded well so for example here if someone made a really poorly coded domain script and someone else made a neat Login script (for example) in this community the domain one would probably get most votes, I think half should be poll and half judge or judges points on the code etc

03-20-2007, 11:20 AM	#37 (permalink)
Barrucadu Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: East Yorkshire, England Posts: 2,689 Follow @barrucadu	I agree completely on the frameworks thing hitch. __________________ Website \| Blog Arch Hurd developer; GNU Webmaster; FSF member #8385

03-20-2007, 12:34 PM	#38 (permalink)
lee101 NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 413 Follow @leefindlow	I agree with not using frameworks, i think it should purely be coder's skills, showing what they can do, not how well they can read instructions and learn how to use frameworks. Also, any idea when/if this will actually happen? __________________ Linux Screenshots

03-20-2007, 12:37 PM	THREAD STARTER #39 (permalink)
Hitch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Uk, South Yorkshire Posts: 1,225 Follow @adrianc333	Hopefully, very soon. Looks like it would be better, not to use Frameworks then. __________________ Cueburst - Support System - FAQ Knowledge Base, Tickets and more.

03-20-2007, 12:43 PM	#40 (permalink)
beaver6813 NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Posts: 392 Follow @beaver6813	Done! Fellow PHP Coders Start Your Engines! __________________ -Beaver6813.com - Web Developer Extraordinaire!

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