what .mobi will reach 1 million? - Page 3

domaindigger · 01-24-2007, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by touchring

3 billion mobile phones, but what has it got to do with a domain extension?

Quick question: since the .mobi landrush only 4 months ago, are there 1) less mobile websites, 2) more, or 3) same?

Sam · 01-24-2007, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by domaindigger

It's simple. 1 in 2 humans is projected to have a mobile phone by 2008. That's over 3 billion mobile phone users. Just like with home internet access, flat rate internet plans will become the norm for mobile phones as prices come down and most likely included as standard with voice plans (heck, eventually voice plans will disappear and you'll just be paying for flat data access and using Skype-like programs for voice). Now add to all that newly developed content specifically for mobile phones thanks to .mobi and you have a potential market of over 3 billion internet users. You lack vision, my friend. You are thinking in the "now". You fail to realize that the 4:1 mobile phone to PC ratio is going to result in an explosion of internet use, especially in developing countries who's landline infrastructure is too poor (I've already cited India as an example). Think ahead, don't be so myopic.

My dear friend,

I never said anything about the future. It was you who claimed 3 billion people already access the internet via phone.
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Sam

touchring · 01-24-2007, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by domaindigger

Quick question: since the .mobi landrush only 4 months ago, are there 1) less mobile websites, 2) more, or 3) same?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764
Well, i was a WAP developer, there were tens of thousands of WAP sites back then in 2001. I knew of a local bank that spent 6 million dollars to develop a mobile internet version of their ebanking portal. But after spending 6 million dollars, they decided not to launch it.

The Dot mobi saga is a small fly as compared to the billions of dollars companies and telecom blew on WAP.

No amount of advertising money or development could force people to use crippled mobile internet voluntarily.

Of cos, they could always pay people to use those WAP sites - i'm sure hundreds of people will sign up to surf on crippled sites for $10 an hour.

domaindigger · 01-24-2007, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by touchring

Well, i was a WAP developer, there were tens of thousands of WAP sites back then in 2001. Probably there were more WAP sites than WAP users. After spending 6 million dollars, they decided not to launch it.

The Dot mobi saga is a small fly as compared to the billions of dollars companies and telecom blew on WAP.

No amount of advertising money or development could force people to use crippled mobile internet.

You didn't answer the question, so I'll answer it for you. Option #2: since .mobi launched, there have been MORE mobile internet website and more awareness of mobile internet. Just look at mtld.mobi's showcase for a few examples. It's already making a difference and being successful.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764

As for WAP, it's a protocol, not an extension. Apples and oranges. And as a protocol, it frankly sucks.

touchring · 01-24-2007, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by domaindigger

You didn't answer the question, so I'll answer it for you. Option #2: since .mobi launched, there have been MORE mobile internet website and more awareness of mobile internet. Just look at mtld.mobi's showcase for a few examples. It's already making a difference and being successful.

As for WAP, it's a protocol, not an extension. Apples and oranges. And as a protocol, it frankly sucks

Well, WAP is basically marketed as mobile internet. It is not marketed as a protocol to end users. It's crazy to compare WAP with an extension - an extension is just an extension, the take off of mobile internet doesn't even require a special extension.

1. If mobile internet succeeds in 2000, WAP succeeds.
2. If mobile internet succeeds in 2007, Dot mobi may not succeed.
3. If crippled mobile internet succeeds in 2007, Dot mobi may not succeed.
4. If mobile internet fails to succeed in 2007, Dot mobi will fail.

How's that for the odds?

domaindigger · 01-24-2007, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by damitssam

My dear friend,
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I never said anything about the future. It was you who claimed 3 billion people already access the internet via phone.

Sam

I never claimed "3 billion people already access the internet via phone." I said over 3 billion people will have mobile phones by 2008 and if they all access the internet through it as expected, that's 3 billion internet users. It's mind-boggling.

touchring · 01-24-2007, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by domaindigger

I never claimed "3 billion people already access the internet via phone." I said over 3 billion people will have mobile phones by 2008 and if they all access the internet through it as expected, that's 3 billion internet users. It's mind-boggling.

5. If 3 billion people already had internet access via phone, crippled internet might not succeed.

The odds are becoming clearer.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764

20% x 20% x 20% x 20% = 0.16% chance of succeeding.

domaindigger · 01-24-2007, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by touchring

Well, WAP is basically marketed as mobile internet. It is not marketed as a protocol to end users. It's crazy to compare WAP with an extension - an extension is just an extension, the take off of mobile internet doesn't even require a special extension.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764

1. If mobile internet succeeds in 2000, WAP succeeds.
2. If mobile internet succeeds in 2007, Dot mobi may not succeed.
3. If crippled mobile internet succeeds in 2007, Dot mobi may not succeed.
4. If mobile internet fails to succeed in 2007, Dot mobi will fail.

How's that for the odds?

Did you ever consider that perhaps WAP failed because the world was not ready for mobile internet back in 2000? Do you think YouTube would have been as successful if it had been launched in 2000? Of course not, because there weren't nearly as many broadband users as today, so only a few people would have used it and it would have flopped.

.mobi is not required for the mobile internet, but it surely helps it...and it's already here and backed by heavyweights, so I'd put my money on it becoming the standard of the mobile internet.

Originally Posted by touchring

The odds are becoming clearer.

20% x 20% x 20% x 20% = 0.16% chance of succeeding.

I take it you missed the .mobi boat?

Badger · 01-24-2007, 03:25 AM

Interesting.... This .Mobi launch (and more so since these recent 2 big reportedsales) have made discussion the most vibrant and at some times the most heated debates since I can remember.

Ironically enough, i think domainers from both camps actually agree on a lot of the issues and sometimes the discussions can be arguing separate points.

I think 2 points that have little space for conjecture are:

1. No doubt the mobile web is the future.. I actually posted about this on this board sometime back in 2004 (but for the life of me i cant find it). Anyway, I dont think anyone can reasonably doubt this fact.

2. Using your PDA or phone or whatever to access the web will come more and more mainstream over the next few years. Now think out of the box on this one people, I am not talking simply in terms of browsing static websites, I am talking in terms of using the web to speak and to interact with others. Blending content, information and speech into one.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764

However, how .mobi will fare in this shakeup is another thing.

.Mobi has an advantage in that the extension is supported by the hardware providers. It also is supposed to be designed for this purpose. However, this does not make it a sure fire success (which I know a lot of the strong .mobi supporters agree with though they are happy to take an educated risk).

Its unfortunate that 2 large reported sales of .mobi have caused such hysteria and I hope for the domainer in the street who is now plundering a lot of money into the extension that these sales were in fact legit and not engineered by the root registry. Remember, this stunt was pulled before when beauty.cc allegedly sold for $1m causing a similar stir, only for everyone later to find out that it was simply a cheap stunt.

With regard my fellow domainers here at namepros, I think its important to remember that we all bat for the same side, we are here to share information, we should not force our views upon others regardless of what side of the .mobi fence we fall. I also think that supporters of .mobi should respect those that offer a cautious word on the subject as i dont believe any comments are made maliciously and generally most are here only trying to provide an alternative perspective to the furore, if you like a foil to the supporters sabre. And those who speak out against .mobi should respect that people who have spent considerable amounts on .mobi registrations have not done so blindly and have done so based upon sound, business accumen they have built up by being successful domainers over a number of years.

So lets all continue to do what this forum seems to do well at and that is sticking together, I think we all hope .mobi succeeds and that we all make a nice little profit to boot.

mjnels · 01-24-2007, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by damitssam

1) No idiotic cellphone provider would EVER switch default to .mobi
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2) MOST of those 3 billion phone users NEVER use the internet...you are assuming everyone who owns a phone will surf the web. Sorry, but the truth is, its COSTLY and CUMBERSOME.

Yikes... we got a fortune teller.

If everyone went by ONLY current stats, the word SPECULATION wouldnt even be in the dictionary.

Bodhi · 01-24-2007, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by touchring

5. If 3 billion people already had internet access via phone, crippled internet might not succeed.

The odds are becoming clearer.

20% x 20% x 20% x 20% = 0.16% chance of succeeding.

You have really thought this one through haven't you?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764

Your logic reminds me of the evil sicilian from The Princess Bride.

"never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"

goodkarmaco · 01-24-2007, 05:33 AM

uhmm,

anyone else have an opinion on which .mobi domain will reach one million dollars?

I know it seems logical to everyone that names like sex.mobi are first contenders, but is that the profile of the mobile users (porn, Sex) or is that target audience into other things that are today considered hip?

We all know .mobi might fall to the wayside, but if it keeps gaining momentum, what domain is going to bring in a cool mil?

My guess? I don't think it will be the obvious. I think it will be a name of what mobile users are all about.

Define that.

Sabre · 01-24-2007, 06:41 AM

I think this is one of my first ever posts in the .mobi section of this forum, as I've been more reading and analysing than actually taking part in the debate.
Of course, my views are completely opinionated, however I am neither pro and anti - .mobi

I think it's too early to even hope to guess which way the .mobi market will turn if it succeeds. However, news.mobi would be my pick if I had to pick a domain that was most likely to hit $1 million. However, I don't think we're looking at such a large sale for the significant future. It's purely reliant of the development of .mobi and the actions of the companies who support .mobi.

Originally Posted by gingeman

I think it will be a geo specific name IF it ever happens, and to be honest I have my doubts about some of the .mobi sales being reported, as I think they may have a hidden agenda. If it happens though I believ it will be a name realting to local services. If I could afford any .mobi, I think I would want local.mobi. If enough money was ploughed into developing a name like this so that it could tell where you where and then allowed you to search local services and businesses, thewn that woiuld be one hell of a useful site. I think wilth .mobi speculation, too many lose sight over where a .mobi would actually be used instead of a .com. That is why I also think registering names based on current overture is not necessarily a good idea. You need to put your self in the position of somebody who has no access to a home pc/laptop and think "what would they be looking for" I am not a major investor in this area, although I have a couple of nice ones.

I totally agree. The future for .mobi lies in names which people can type in and access a local contact list for services IMO. If you want a pizza, you visit pizza.mobi which regonises where you live and then gives you a list of your local pizza resturants/takeaways. I feel that while .mobi needs to be developed, people developing are simply not putting enough into development. I feel that people need to get together and sort out a system that could work for all of these big names so that they will actually be relevant for public use. Say I go to "pizza.mobi" and find a site listing the best pizza places in North Canada, am I going to want to go back there? No. It needs to be targeted information.
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I think a lot more work needs to be put into .mobi if it's going to be successful. I've yet to see a .mobi site that's really impressed me.

Quote:

I believe IF .mobi takes off it will be a VERY narrow market. Trying to put myself in the shoes of a commuter, I identified a handful of .mobi domains that COULD have a future. I am not going to be looking for loweslilfeinsurancequotes.mobi on a cell phone or mobile device. But I may look for flowers, hotels, pizza, etc. and a narrow segment of commerce. MOST of the .mobis I have seen registered would be worthless with a .com on the end. Proof that even domainers still don't quite grasp why one domain can be worth a lot and another can be worthless...

Excellent points and highly likely to be the case. However, if .mobi does take off in a big way then while .mobi domains are going to need to be connected to the extension, I feel it could be a much more open market. As long as the name fits the extension, you've got a name that could have value. However, this is of course ONLY if the extension takes off in a big way.

Originally Posted by domaindigger

I never claimed "3 billion people already access the internet via phone." I said over 3 billion people will have mobile phones by 2008 and if they all access the internet through it as expected, that's 3 billion internet users. It's mind-boggling.

So you're saying that every mobile phone owner is likely to access the internet through their phone? I'd be suprised if even half of mobile phone owners used their phones to access the internet and of those, most will only go on for a few minutes to check important things; email, stocks and other such things.

Originally Posted by domaindigger

Did you ever consider that perhaps WAP failed because the world was not ready for mobile internet back in 2000? Do you think YouTube would have been as successful if it had been launched in 2000? Of course not, because there weren't nearly as many broadband users as today, so only a few people would have used it and it would have flopped.

I totally agree that now is the right time to launch .mobi. If it's going to succeed, now is the time for it to do so. However, that doesn't mean it IS going to succeed.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764

Originally Posted by Badger

My fear for .mobi investors, especially new ones, is that this current almost unbelievable wave of euphoria (bordering it seems on hysteria) may be clouding their judgement when portfolio building. And with prices considerably higher than .com this is not a cheap exercise in educated risk taking.

I do believe that your fear will be realised. Hysteria seems an apt name for what is having, .mobi is being hugely over-hyped; I've seen some names that I wouldn't have touched being registered, even if I knew that .mobi was going to succeed.

touchring · 01-24-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by neobodhi

You have really thought this one through haven't you?

Your logic reminds me of the evil sicilian from The Princess Bride.

"never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"

Well, if i'm not a full-time mobile solutions provider, i wouldn't bother commenting on dot mobi. Just like i don't comment on dot info, dot eu, etc, etc. People are already going mad on dot mobi, have you read on the marketiva case? There might be UDRP coming on. Fastest way to flush $95k down the drain.

Originally Posted by domaindigger

I take it you missed the .mobi boat?

I didn't plan to register dot mobi - i did plan for dot eu. If dot mobi registrar offers to sell me flower.mobi for $2k today, but i must not sell within 5 years, i'll reject their offer.

goodkarmaco · 01-24-2007, 02:20 PM

Can we all agree .mobi is making some big waves?

That gives me the impression it may very well be a whale of a extension. Of course as we all see by the many posts it very well may become a dead beached whale too.

But if it does not wash up on shore and gets into deep waters, what .mobi is going to be the scale tipper?

domaindigger · 01-24-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sabre

So you're saying that every mobile phone owner is likely to access the internet through their phone? I'd be suprised if even half of mobile phone owners used their phones to access the internet and of those, most will only go on for a few minutes to check important things; email, stocks and other such things.

Eventually, yes, every mobile phone user will be accessing the internet. The cellular network as we know it will cease to exist. You will do your voice calls via the internet (anyone who's used Skype knows how much better the quality is). You will most likely connect via WiMax, not mobile phone towers. You won't have a phone number, you'll have a username that people will reach you with (much easier to remember, no international dialing codes necessary). People, from poor to rich, will be using the mobile internet in their day-to-day lives. It's going to happen, I'm just now sure if it will be in 5, 10, or 15 years, that's up to how useful us .mobi owners make the mobile internet.

Sabre · 01-25-2007, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by domaindigger

People, from poor to rich, will be using the mobile internet in their day-to-day lives. It's going to happen, I'm just now sure if it will be in 5, 10, or 15 years, that's up to how useful us .mobi owners make the mobile internet.

If you're talking about the long term future, then that's a different proposition altogether.

10 - 15 years is a long time in the domaining industry and a big gamble with finances. I do believe just one domain could cost you around $200 dollars over that time, unless I'm mistaken.

domaindigger · 01-25-2007, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sabre

If you're talking about the long term future, then that's a different proposition altogether.

10 - 15 years is a long time in the domaining industry and a big gamble with finances. I do believe just one domain could cost you around $200 dollars over that time, unless I'm mistaken.

But we don't need 3 billion people using the mobile internet for .mobi to be successful. Even half a billion is enough to make it happen, we're talking huge markets. Combine Japan, Korea, Australia, US, Canada, and Europe and it's golden. That should take only 3-5 years.

-db- · 01-25-2007, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Badger

Interesting.... This .Mobi launch (and more so since these recent 2 big reportedsales) have made discussion the most vibrant and at some times the most heated debates since I can remember.

Ian... so true. After reading (and participating) in both sides of the argument for the past few months, I can say it's the most excitement I've seen in a long time. A love-hate relationship for many, and an exciting ride for all.
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I love your use of "vibrant" in this situation. Ha! It has certainly been that.

goodkarmaco · 01-25-2007, 05:46 AM

Very true as each announcement of a new sale gets our attention. This will be a very long discussion.

zhijunshen · 01-25-2007, 07:17 AM

may be sex.mobi

01-24-2007, 03:25 AM	#59 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	Interesting.... This .Mobi launch (and more so since these recent 2 big reportedsales) have made discussion the most vibrant and at some times the most heated debates since I can remember. Ironically enough, i think domainers from both camps actually agree on a lot of the issues and sometimes the discussions can be arguing separate points. I think 2 points that have little space for conjecture are: 1. No doubt the mobile web is the future.. I actually posted about this on this board sometime back in 2004 (but for the life of me i cant find it). Anyway, I dont think anyone can reasonably doubt this fact. 2. Using your PDA or phone or whatever to access the web will come more and more mainstream over the next few years. Now think out of the box on this one people, I am not talking simply in terms of browsing static websites, I am talking in terms of using the web to speak and to interact with others. Blending content, information and speech into one. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=284764 However, how .mobi will fare in this shakeup is another thing. .Mobi has an advantage in that the extension is supported by the hardware providers. It also is supposed to be designed for this purpose. However, this does not make it a sure fire success (which I know a lot of the strong .mobi supporters agree with though they are happy to take an educated risk). Its unfortunate that 2 large reported sales of .mobi have caused such hysteria and I hope for the domainer in the street who is now plundering a lot of money into the extension that these sales were in fact legit and not engineered by the root registry. Remember, this stunt was pulled before when beauty.cc allegedly sold for $1m causing a similar stir, only for everyone later to find out that it was simply a cheap stunt. With regard my fellow domainers here at namepros, I think its important to remember that we all bat for the same side, we are here to share information, we should not force our views upon others regardless of what side of the .mobi fence we fall. I also think that supporters of .mobi should respect those that offer a cautious word on the subject as i dont believe any comments are made maliciously and generally most are here only trying to provide an alternative perspective to the furore, if you like a foil to the supporters sabre. And those who speak out against .mobi should respect that people who have spent considerable amounts on .mobi registrations have not done so blindly and have done so based upon sound, business accumen they have built up by being successful domainers over a number of years. So lets all continue to do what this forum seems to do well at and that is sticking together, I think we all hope .mobi succeeds and that we all make a nice little profit to boot. __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions

01-24-2007, 05:33 AM	THREAD STARTER #62 (permalink)
goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,976	uhmm, anyone else have an opinion on which .mobi domain will reach one million dollars? I know it seems logical to everyone that names like sex.mobi are first contenders, but is that the profile of the mobile users (porn, Sex) or is that target audience into other things that are today considered hip? We all know .mobi might fall to the wayside, but if it keeps gaining momentum, what domain is going to bring in a cool mil? My guess? I don't think it will be the obvious. I think it will be a name of what mobile users are all about. Define that. __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

01-24-2007, 02:20 PM	THREAD STARTER #65 (permalink)
goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,976	Can we all agree .mobi is making some big waves? That gives me the impression it may very well be a whale of a extension. Of course as we all see by the many posts it very well may become a dead beached whale too. But if it does not wash up on shore and gets into deep waters, what .mobi is going to be the scale tipper? __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

01-25-2007, 05:46 AM	THREAD STARTER #70 (permalink)
goodkarmaco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa. Posts: 1,976	Very true as each announcement of a new sale gets our attention. This will be a very long discussion. __________________ GOODKARMACO, "Tenisonline"

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