Negotiations.

yoyosean · 01-18-2007, 05:04 PM

i think it is labrocca undercover giving me a bid : )

owntype · 01-18-2007, 05:12 PM

I won't let them go for $25k unless I am very eager to cash them, there are several decent names among your porfolio (based on ur translation).

If you need, I could bid on one of your .mobi on SEDO and then you could send it to SEDO auction, market will tell the real value.

Good luck

*nrmillions* · 01-18-2007, 06:43 PM

I wouldnt sell any name for less than $1k each so your offer is way too low. Unless you are poor then dont take the $25k and let the buyer disappear if they want to. Just wait it out and you might make a fortune from selling them individually.

dag · 01-18-2007, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

i think it is labrocca undercover giving me a bid : )

Seriously, though, do you think it might be rickkumar? He does have the best Spanish portfolio around...maybe he's looking to completely dominate the Spanish .mobi realm.

yoyosean · 01-18-2007, 06:49 PM

nah dont think it is Rick he does have the #1 and i am #2 I believe. We have talked before and he bought some names from me I think his wife wont let him buy anymore names. : ) although that might be his cover. He is a big player though has several thousand .com names I believe.

Cyberian · 01-18-2007, 09:23 PM

Text on index page Chena.com roughly translated using AltaVista:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/282956-help-i-have-received-offer-my.html

Quote:

Chena Ventures is born in 2004 with the main objective to generate emprendimientos innovating that offer services in communication areas, technology, education and commerce. Our passion is fruit of years of experience and studies, transformed into niches of electronic commerce and vestibules of Internet. Our network counts with million active users, without advertising efforts. This great one hard was created with the development of sites of commerce online varied, that soon gave rise to the acquisition of generic dominions and centers of high traffic, eliminating the necessity to invest in publicity. We have developed solutions for a global hearing and we have positioned of strategic way in the market, filling occupied empty spaces and improving on those already. Nevertheless our present vision is not limited solely the space online, our present emprendimientos cover other varied areas. We focused in those possibilities that count on greater yield short and long term and than they facilitate to the people finding what they are looking for. Our company has evolved in the present model after several years of experience in the area multimedia and Web, happening through several states before finally forming like Chena Ventures. After developing to several projects multimedia and models of businesses online, the mission of the company continues being the same one that when it worked in a small room in Paraguay: to develop successful creative solutions for a global market. We invited to you to know more the vestibules and emprendimientos of Chena Ventures, so that you discover more on our work, our businesses, our ideas.

MrRhee, An excelent suggestion for all of us to study this example of a companys journey from a working within a small niche and developing from that an expanded market reach.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956
yoyosan, Development of say 10 of your strongest, and catagory related names could easily put you in a similar circumstance. I would seek out investment funding and partner participation with a much higher goal in mind than could ever be attained from simply selling off this OUTSTANDING spanish name portfolio, at whatever price settled on.

The opportunity of a lifetime, is just that. You are in a position to command a portion of a significant marketshare worldwide. Consider all your options before making such an decision and go with the one that best fits your personal long range dreams and goals.

Congrataz on both the offer, and assembling such a fine portfolio.

Good Luck, whatever path you choose.

Peace,
Cyberian

Originally Posted by MrRhee

1) Did you buy to resell?

2) If you negotiate and the buyer disappears, will you hate yourself?

3) Are you desperate for cash?

4) In your opinion, is there a better place for you to invest your money?

If you answered Yes to all the questions above, then perhaps you already know what to do.

my thoughts...

I am not in your situation but after looking through your list... I would not sell for that price. There may not be a spanish aftermarket yet or ever but your portfolio is great and has development potential. Perhaps you can be the "Chena" of the .mobi world.

http://www.Chena.com
I highly recommend you check out his business incubator. It is very inspiring for all domainers.

fyi, I believe in .mobi's development potential and own 2500 of them. Some are spanish, italian, etc... one of my spanish .mobi domains: Modelo.mobi was offered almost $5K around Christmas.. I passed and I believe you have better names in your portfolio.

Either way... good luck.

yoyosean · 01-18-2007, 09:26 PM

Thank you very much!

scandiman · 01-18-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by ~ Cyberian ~

MrRhee, An excelent suggestion for all of us to study this example of a companys journey from a working within a small niche and developing from that an expanded market reach.
yoyosan, Development of say 10 of your strongest, and catagory related names could easily put you in a similar circumstance. I would seek out investment funding and partner participation with a much higher goal in mind than could ever be attained from simply selling off this OUTSTANDING spanish name portfolio, at whatever price settled on.

The opportunity of a lifetime, is just that. You are in a position to command a portion of a significant marketshare worldwide. Consider all your options before making such an decision and go with the one that best fits your personal long range dreams and goals.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956

Congrataz on both the offer, and assembling such a fine portfolio.

Good Luck, whatever path you choose.

Peace,
Cyberian

Yoyo, think long and hard about this advice. Taking this path leads to serious cash flow. You have the foundation already with such a deep portfolio.

yoyosean · 01-19-2007, 07:52 AM

Have not heard back yet!, Will let you know as soon as I hear.

MrRhee · 01-19-2007, 08:16 AM

Here's a direct link to the english version of Chena's site:
http://www.chena.com/index.php

Quote:

We have more than 1,000 sales per day
We have more than 200,000 paid (sponsored) clicks per month
We have more than 5 million unique visitors per month
We show ads from more than 90,000 sponsors on our network
We invest 6 figures (USD) every month in top websites and domain names with high traffic

I forget how many millions he has spent to acquire his spanish domain portfolio but you can do the math by checking out his news section.

Here's an interview with him:
http://www.domainingblog.com/2006/02...-prolific.html

and a DNJ cover story:
http://www.dnjournal.com/columns/cover070405.htm

a perhaps someday someone here can be the next IAC:
http://www.IAC.com/

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956

That's my 7 year plan.

.

Cyberian · 01-19-2007, 03:20 PM

IAC dot com... Domainers going public on NASDAQ. Domainers with a 401k.
Who would have thunk it? But it is, and YoYo you have the ingredients, make it soup. One thing to consider in these types of threads... Is the potential reading this as well, or even posting under cover. I'm not saying this is the case, but before you reveal your game plan to the world... just a thought.

pertosda · 01-19-2007, 05:15 PM

I see a few names in your list capable to achieve mid $x,xxx sales alone (even more in future), such as:

comunicaciones.mobi
millon.mobi
bolsadevalores.mobi
tratamientos.mobi
expertos.mobi
and maybe a couple more

However, most of those are not premium even being one worders and their current market price is in the $XXX (low to mid) so maybe you can negotiate to sell the portfolio for that price except your 4 or 5 favorites.

That is what I would do.

Good luck!

yoyosean · 01-20-2007, 10:03 AM

counter was declined! not selling for $25k. Thanks for the help.

Lasher · 01-20-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

counter was declined! not selling for $25k. Thanks for the help.

Answer might be a little late based on this post, but it's really down to which you would dislike the most:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956

1. You don't sell, .MOBI ends up being a dud and your portfolio expires worthless.

2. You do sell, .MOBI takesoff and 5 years later you could have gotten 6 figures+ for the portfolio.

In your shoes I'd be very tempted, but 25k would make no significant difference to my life, so it's a tough call.

Jeff · 01-20-2007, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Originally Posted by yoyosean

... from an anonymous buyer via email, dont know if it is an NP'er or not. Here is my list the offer is for $25k. Would you take it?

Can you please c&p the email from the anonymous buyer?

Originally Posted by yoyosean

threw out a counter, will keep everyone updated.

... also the email counter information, as well ... in order to best assess!

Thanks much.
-Jeff

Hopefully we can all learn from these correspondence, IMHO.

Thanks again for posting.

Originally Posted by yoyosean

counter was declined! not selling for $25k. Thanks for the help.

Let's see where the negotiations broke off, for instance ...

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956
Good Luck.
-Jeff

yoyosean · 01-20-2007, 12:05 PM

the negotiations broke off by the simple phrase - no thank you.

Jeff · 01-20-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

the negotiations broke off by the simple phrase - no thank you.

Ah, thanks for all of the detailed insight!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956

Good Luck with your sale.
-Jeff

pertosda · 01-20-2007, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

the negotiations broke off by the simple phrase - no thank you.

Didnt you try to counteroffer or even negotiate a little bit?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=282956

It seems it was a serious buyer (and very interested for sure), so maybe he could have raised the offer. Or maybe it was not the first offer?

GeoOwners · 01-20-2007, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

counter was declined! not selling for $25k. Thanks for the help.

chaulk it up as a lowball offer...he had nothing to lose...but if you had said yes he scores!

Bodhi · 01-20-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by dentalpro

chaulk it up as a lowball offer...he had nothing to lose...but if you had said yes he scores!

Let's not lose a total grip of reality, 25$ K is a lot of money. There have been some interesting high prices sales lately, but .mobi still is unproven.

yoyosean · 01-20-2007, 05:05 PM

i counter offered he declined. You are right neobodhi, however $25k is not really that much money and at this point i have most of my money out of .mobi so I own most of my portfolio for free and I have two years to see what happens. So I dont have all that much risk to hold on. If it would have been $50k + I may very well have taken it but no big deal at this point anymore, if i made a bad decision so be it it wont be the first one.

italiandragon · 01-20-2007, 08:07 PM

how high the Overture score needs to be for a Spanish or Italian name to be good enought to reg it just for resale ?

Thanks

hawkeye · 01-20-2007, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

i counter offered he declined. You are right neobodhi, however $25k is not really that much money and at this point i have most of my money out of .mobi so I own most of my portfolio for free and I have two years to see what happens. So I dont have all that much risk to hold on. If it would have been $50k + I may very well have taken it but no big deal at this point anymore, if i made a bad decision so be it it wont be the first one.

yoyo, great accessment of your situation, and attitude towards your decision!! You got into this with the intent to be early, get some nice names, and hopefully they'll turn into a very nice investment for you. You've got some very good names, and to be honest, unless one needed the immediate cash, 25K wasn't enough compared to what you may get in 2 years or so!! I don't think we've seen anything yet in reference to what these names may start bringing in the near future. You should do very well piece mealing your name sales, as opposed to a bulk sellout now. GL.

Lasher · 01-21-2007, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by hawkeye

yoyo, great accessment of your situation, and attitude towards your decision!! You got into this with the intent to be early, get some nice names, and hopefully they'll turn into a very nice investment for you. You've got some very good names, and to be honest, unless one needed the immediate cash, 25K wasn't enough compared to what you may get in 2 years or so!! I don't think we've seen anything yet in reference to what these names may start bringing in the near future. You should do very well piece mealing your name sales, as opposed to a bulk sellout now. GL.

Great assessment indeed. There's also a certain "opportunity" cost involved here. Unless you live in Asia it's going to be a long time before any of us get another chance to be involved in the launch of a new gTLD not segmented towards a specific vertical (.travel, .xxx, .jobs, etc). You could walk away with 25k and wait a long long time to enjoy this ride again, and sometimes the ride can be more fun than the destination...

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nrmillions NamePros Supporter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,912	I wouldnt sell any name for less than $1k each so your offer is way too low. Unless you are poor then dont take the $25k and let the buyer disappear if they want to. Just wait it out and you might make a fortune from selling them individually.

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yoyosean Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,180	i counter offered he declined. You are right neobodhi, however $25k is not really that much money and at this point i have most of my money out of .mobi so I own most of my portfolio for free and I have two years to see what happens. So I dont have all that much risk to hold on. If it would have been $50k + I may very well have taken it but no big deal at this point anymore, if i made a bad decision so be it it wont be the first one. __________________ *PokerOnline.hk BetOnline.hk California.hk UnitedKingdom.hk GolfCourses.hk Action.hk TexasHoldEm.TW*

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