LH.com Lost !

Pred · Apr 28, 2008

Reverse hijacking is on the increase guys.
LH.com has just been lost by elequa.

Feel bad for him as this is a terrible decision by wipo imho and it raises questions about their integrity and conduct imo

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bmugford · Apr 28, 2008

This is a load of crap. It is unfortunate the domain was lost, however I think the court battle is exactly what is needed to end this crap once and for all.

I think in these kind of cases, even if the ruling goes against the domain owner, the winner should still be forced to pay fair market value like with eminent domain.

This is just a wholesale theft of a $1M+ domain.

michaeldotcom · Apr 28, 2008

-RJ- said:
The panel found that FMA did not have any legitimate rights in the mark. If Leon Hatot owned it, the complaint would not have succeeded.

Very true indeed.

I guess the best thing to do for LL.com (or possibly even LLL.com) owners is to trademark these domains, don't you think so ?

It's too expensive and useless to trademark every single domain, but I think it's something to consider seriously for very valuable domains, especially two or three letter ones which are almost always abbreviations of company names (which means a very high risk of trademark dispute).

-REECE- · Apr 28, 2008

I hate to sound paranoid, but with how fast generics and short domains are rising in value, how much longer can we expect it to be before we start seeing corporations attempting to bribe panelists?

Pred · Apr 28, 2008

Reece said:
I hate to sound paranoid, but with how fast generics and short domains are rising in value, how much longer can we expect it to be before we start seeing corporations attempting to bribe panelists?

i'm sure most will say it has happened before
think how connected politicians and heads of industry are?
decisions made in houses of parliament in UK all the time where Lords are directors in companies and all know each other etc
sure same goes on here

kev · Apr 28, 2008

Wow! this is simply disgraceful

This is the equivalent of someone stealing $1,000,000 off of someone.

One of the worst decisions WIPO has ever made.

michaeldotcom · Apr 28, 2008

kev said:
This is the equivalent of someone stealing $1,000,000 off of someone.

The fact is that if you own a $1 million house, car, diamond or painting, you can't afford not to have it insured.

And if you own a $1 million domain, you can no longer afford not to have it trademarked, especially if it's a LL.com which is an abbreviation of many big corporations with large legal departments.

PowerUp · Apr 28, 2008

I think it's time for a sticky thread on "How to prevent domain theft (including reverse hijacking)."

Also, another sticky thread on "How to filter genuine buyers/sellers from scammers".

james2002 · Apr 28, 2008

kev said:
Wow! this is simply disgraceful

This is the equivalent of someone stealing $1,000,000 off of someone.

One of the worst decisions WIPO has ever made.

Absolutely. Why not they buy from the owner by paying the right price? It is just a kind of robbing or stealing.

Mike · Apr 28, 2008

In this case it has hit someone that can potentially afford to go for a lawsuit and end this disaster caused by an uneducated, unreasonable and simply false decision. My problem is more along the lines of; what happens when it hits any of us? The ones that have enough to collect domains, but cannot afford a 6-digit lawsuit to defend what's rightfully ours? The unfortunate downside of the story is that even within our own circles, WIPO one should believe understands the domainers motivation to collect, we are not being considered equal or even being treated with respect. It's yet another sad day in the domaining world.

Safety net is development? It's probably the safest way to use a domain, at the same time, with decision like the LH.com one, even development might be reduced to a joke.

M.

briman1970 · Apr 28, 2008

This just goes to show that parking ANY considerably valuable domain is a bad idea. I think Elequa's past UDRP's and not putting his lawsuit on the table really did him in. I sincerely hope he makes "LH" and WIPO bleed for this disgusting travesty of justice.

-REECE- · Apr 28, 2008

It's utterly ridiculous.

I'd like to see stealing someone's physical property for "not putting it to legitimate use" stand up in a U.S. court...

briman1970 said:
This just goes to show that parking ANY considerably valuable domain is a bad idea. I think Elequa's past UDRP's and not putting his lawsuit on the table really did him in. I sincerely hope he makes "LH" and WIPO bleed for this disgusting travesty of justice.

Mark · Apr 28, 2008

wiposucks.com Taken

wiposucks.net available

wiposucks.org available

wiposucks.info available

wiposucks.me available

domi · Apr 28, 2008

What is the point of being in this business if you can get wiped out at anytime

But seriously.. If your offered $1Million for a domain take it :wave:
The internet is created for people to use,create,educate.... These extentions were created for that reason not to store away and keep it as a collectable because your greedy...

Use it or loose it!

-REECE- · Apr 28, 2008

Thanks Mark!

Wiposucks.net is mine -- gonna make getting this developed a top priority :D

Mark said:
wiposucks.com Taken

wiposucks.net available

wiposucks.org available

wiposucks.info available

wiposucks.me available

Alex · Apr 28, 2008

Elequa took it to the court already.

What is very funny is that a German company (Lufthansa) fights for a domain owned by a Virgin Islands resident in the USA.

Elequa has his own registrar and could have moved it there, but he kept it at Moniker. Wil be interesting to follow the story

Pred · Apr 28, 2008

Reece said:
Thanks Mark!

Wiposucks.net is mine -- gonna make getting this developed a top priority :D

:sold: :sold: :sold:

Original Link for those just joining thread:

LH.com Lost

-REECE- · Apr 28, 2008

I bought an LL.ca recently whose original owner had used the domain for years as an email address. He never tried to sell the domain, he just wanted a short domain for his email and I don't think he had a clue what it was worth... WIPO would consider such use as "not using the domain", yet this guy was using the name -- each and everyday as an email.

What really gives WIPO the right to dictate how we use OUR names? How much money do domainers pay ICANN each year in fees? What do we get for this - more laws + rules to screw us over?

domi said:
What is the point of being in this business if you can get wiped out at anytime

But seriously.. If your offered $1Million for a domain take it :wave:
The internet is created for people to use,create,educate.... These extentions were created for that reason not to store away and keep it as a collectable because your greedy...

Use it or loose it!

Mark · Apr 28, 2008

Host Name : wipo.org IP Address : 193.5.93.80

Host Name : wipo.int IP Address : 193.5.93.80

You know , Several of Those "Numbers" are in my Birthdate and my SS# ... Shall I file a complaint ?

Oh and :

worldintellectualpropertyorganization.com
worldintellectualpropertyorganization.net
worldintellectualpropertyorganization.org
worldintellectualpropertyorganization.info

All available as of this post .....

Shall we Reg and File a complaint on several of the Domains using those initials ?

-REECE- · Apr 28, 2008

There's already people trademarking 1 letter domains in anticipation of their release...

I mean seriously, where does this stop?

Mark said:
Host Name : wipo.org IP Address : 193.5.93.80

Host Name : wipo.int IP Address : 193.5.93.80

You know , Several of Those "Numbers" are in my Birthdate and my SS# ... Shall I file a complaint ?

Oh and :

worldintellectualpropertyorganization.com
worldintellectualpropertyorganization.net
worldintellectualpropertyorganization.org
worldintellectualpropertyorganization.info

All available as of this post .....

Shall we Reg and File a complaint on several of the Domains using those initials ?

Len · Apr 28, 2008

I think there needs to be some sort of compensation attached to a WIPO decision whereby the complainant has to pay fair market value for the domain should they win. This would make a lot of these companies think twice before submitting to WIPO and for those who's domains are taken from them will at least get something. It is, as has been previously stated, far cheaper in most cases for them to WIPO instead of making a fair offer to the current owner.
I know if trademarked then they may be "entitled" to the domain but they should have either reg'd it themselves or be prepared to purchase it from the current owner. The way things are at the moment is just legalised theft IMO.

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