.tv Demand Media - It's Time To Answer Some Questions

MillersCrossing · Apr 6, 2008

ok,

we know you folks watch this board because as soon as members discuss a good strategy asfar as type of name to go after, we usually see that followed up by a hike in premium prices for that sector, even tv.tv there are now plenty that are premium, whereas a year ago there were none..

So, no BS......with all the grumblings and nutterings on the number 1 .TV forum, (whose regular members I am guessing are no more than 70) yet own between them at least $$350,000 in regged premium and none premium names
we deserve to know what DM has done since the launch party to promote the extension..

Or is promotion of the extension even in your contract? Perhaps your contract reads "flog em whilst you got em" and your duty of care is to Verisign pulling in the cash without relly giving a damn whether the extension takes off....

Right now, I hve not seem heard or read anything about DM spreading the word...

Not to blow my own trumpet and I am not the first to have done this, but I donated a name I regged, Scleroderma.TV to the International Scleroderma Foundation, the biggest organisation on the web for scleroderma......they were thrilled and will start a sister website for interactive content

What has Demand Media done in the last year? May is but one month away.....swanky launch party.....anything else??

*AllThings.tv* · Apr 8, 2008

equity78 said:
If criticizing is unprofessional then I need to delete 1000 threads on here on Verisign and premium pricing.

As a rule criticising isn't unprofessional. However, when the assumptions upon which the criticisms rest are false, then the criticism is unprofessional. That is exactly what is going on here.

You, James, and myself may all believe that Demand Media should do more for the extension, but the manner in which this thread attacks Demand Media IS unprofessional.

I was under the impression that we wanted to improve the image of our subforum. Threads like this continue to tarnish its image.

Len · Apr 8, 2008

I tend to agree that DM could do more to promote the ext to the masses. The ext itself cries out for a television ad campain......What could be a better medium?? When I talk to non-domainers about .tv those who have any idea what it is have seen it on their tv...usually whilst watching the IFC or UFC.
TV is the media in which to promote .tv...You can sell basically anything this way...Look at Chiapets!!!! A bunch of grass in an animal shaped pot that everybody wanted after seeing it on tv! JMO

equity78 · Apr 8, 2008

Good point Kevin, but where did James make assumptions ? He did not mention the spending millions you referenced.

Now I think these threads are silly not unprofessional but I respect James and everyone elses right to criticize a company they have done business with.

Someone does not say BoB Parsons I bought a .net what are you doing to promote it ?
I think if everyone is looking to Demand Media or anyone else that is not right because they have their own agenda with .tv as one piece of their pie. Everyone needs to bake their own pie.

I see you added another line
No Image is tarnished here by criticizing Demand Media as to their responsibility, maybe the past threads like you James and Sanchay of FIX.tv or The Public apology thread.

*AllThings.tv* · Apr 8, 2008

The theme I sense in the dot subforum is a heightened passion for the dot tv extension. I certainly respect the passion James has demonstrated for dot tv.

However, its been mentioned on forums other than NamePros that the dot tv subforum on NamePros is a joke. In fact, I think many of us who are already here have said that we would like see the sub forum improve upon itself, i.e. we recognize it has shortcomings.

Apparently, Meeks and I are the only ones that felt this thread could have been worded in a more responsible manner. If we want this subforum to have any credibility, then its going to require that our members start enforcing among each other a certain level of responsibility when posting.

Equity, I got the impression others were out there that felt the same when I read in yourrecent stickied thread that our members sent you 10+ critical PMs about the contents and nature of a thread on the site:

"Why is this allowed"
"This is a disgrace"
"Picking on a sick person this forum sucks"
"What is the point"
"I thought this was a domain forum what a f ing joke"

I didn't mean to seem insensitive to James' passion for the dot tv extension by labeling this thread "unprofessional," but I believe he could have posted on the same subject in a more responsible manner. I was only doing what I thought was best for this subforum. My post was not motivated by the identity of this thread's author in spite of our past differences.

equity78 · Apr 8, 2008

Those quotes you mentioned Kevin were all in regards to SKG comments in the public apology thread.

And what .tv forum is better than here ? Kevin please enlighten me.

*AllThings.tv* · Apr 8, 2008

There is no place on the Internet (to my knowledge) that offers the same active discussion related to the dot tv extension. In other words, NamePros hosts the most active discussions related to the extension.

However, I am a member of more than one other domain/website discussion community. I am intrigued when I see a member on one of those other sites who is involved or interested in dot tv. If I don't recognize their screen name or their names, I generally will send them a PM, telling them about the subforum here.

90% of the time, they are aware of the dot tv subforum on NamePros but choose not to follow or participate in it because they don't feel the dot tv subforum offers them enough value or the discussion here is immature or a waste of their time.

I understand those PMs were in reference to but it shows that some members feel that there should be a certain level of responsibility demonstrated by our members when posting. We should be focused on helping each other, discussing different strategies, and sharing ideas. This subforum, in my opinion, seems to have veered off that path, which is why I have chosen not to visit or participate as much in recent months.

virtuali · Apr 8, 2008

Quite honestly, who care what other people say on the other forums? If wanted the naysayers etc input dont you think we would be there? Not sure why this is relevent. I have been on many forums.. alot worse experience then I can mention here. This forum is amongst the best. IMO. I dont care what others say in other places. The same as they shouldnt care what goes on here.

equity78 · Apr 8, 2008

Well since this thread has gotten heated two members have stated in pms that they believe you posted what you did just to start with James, and no neither was from James. So everyone has opinions but I will take you at your word nothing personal.

What people do not want is posting that seem to be personal in nature I get them all the time I think Rogor expressed it publicly in the sticky thread.

There are many here who do not feel great about Demand Media and they have the right to express that.

Excellent point Virtuali you do not post much but it is always on target IMO

meeks · Apr 8, 2008

I was just stating its up to individuals to promote their own investments,
I never intended to or wanted to get caught up in anything other than that discussion.

freedom30 · Apr 8, 2008

*AllThings.tv* said:
There is no place on the Internet (to my knowledge) that offers the same active discussion related to the dot tv extension. In other words, NamePros hosts the most active discussions related to the extension.

However, I am a member of more than one other domain/website discussion community. I am intrigued when I see a member on one of those other sites who is involved or interested in dot tv. If I don't recognize their screen name or their names, I generally will send them a PM, telling them about the subforum here.

90% of the time, they are aware of the dot tv subforum on NamePros but choose not to follow or participate in it because they don't feel the dot tv subforum offers them enough value or the discussion here is immature or a waste of their time.

I understand those PMs were in reference to but it shows that some members feel that there should be a certain level of responsibility demonstrated by our members when posting. We should be focused on helping each other, discussing different strategies, and sharing ideas. This subforum, in my opinion, seems to have veered off that path, which is why I have chosen not to visit or participate as much in recent months.

Tendency here to agree with allthings.tv...

Our focus is being lost(collectively speaking), dunno how, but I suspect that
we are being too defensive/aggressive and not directing our energies on marketing.

In essence, to hell with negative persuasions. They may be important to view as a conflicting opinion, but do not require the over-extensive amount of attention we give it. Give as much time or even double the time in marketing our product and you will experience a profound and immediate difference in our success(again collective).

This has to be a learning and teaching forum or we waste our time here.

Re-read allthings.tv post and enlighten yourselves, thank you.

TheBulldog · Apr 8, 2008

I myself have been negative towards Demand. I take responsibility for that and stand firmly behind this statement: The extension would do MUCH better under the control of godaddy.

Aside from that, those that have been watching may have noticed that I have not posted as of late. Here is why: The constant infighting, the constant bickering, the constant picking of every little statement is irritating at best. And just to be fair, it seems to be spread a bit equally amongst all "regulars" around here, and not just those participating in this thread.

My insight is that there seems to be more and more threads popping in the "for sale" section every day. And what is the average response? Nada.

You want to know why? Because there is NOT one single company pushing the extension. If there was a single company pushing it and putting money into advertising it, that would be different, and we would all be seeing more traffic and more sales regardless of what others think. But that is simple advertising 101.

You want to know what else is the problem? Not enough big sites pushing the extension. The biggest one, advertised everyday on a show with 8 Million listeners. Howard.tv is spoken of everyday. However, it is called Howard TV. You, as well as most people would go to howardtv.com, which redirects to howard.tv.

But does the average viewer see that? No, they just know they typed in howardtv.com.

So where does that leave us? We are a forum on a forum about domains. We happen to like .tv. We are NOT a national brand. We are NOT a well known extension. Until we become as well known as .net, .org, .info.......we will simply not realize the sales of generics that the other extensions get.

We ALL own generics that should, in OUR opinion be getting offers in the xx,xxx range. Are we getting those offers? No? Do you wonder why?

So now here we are full circle. I hope I didn't ramble too much, but you all are turning on each other when we could be focusing on how to tell others and get the word out about tv.

Stop relying on Demand, they are about as useful as a hangnail.

equity78 · Apr 8, 2008

You make some good points Bulldog, you have to look at the many different reasons people are here.

I have gotten pms over the last two years saying please shut up about development equity I am here for one reason to sell domains. I do not care about tv.com vs .tv or development or TNT.tv I care about sales nothing else.

Then there are people here who have money, and a business plan who discuss business models, platforms and other areas who are not looking to flip a domain and have no interest in doing that.

There are people who love premium pricing and those who hate it, those who love Demand Media and those that dislike them (like yourself). So it is hard sometimes to have everyone on the same page when they are all not moving toward the same goal.

Then there are people here who plain do not like one another, some display it blatantly others passive - aggressive

I agree why would anyone wait or look to Demand Media, its up to you IMO.

DnEbook · Apr 8, 2008

i am hoping the more sales we see on sites such as sedo add the reputation of .tv
surely some are aware as investment ....... it's long term thing , as developement its asap , i feel baby steps is the correct term , there is a whole new generation growing up with the internet and they will be a tv/internet generation i suspect , but hey we have been through all this before, if it's not sales , then start to develope i guess

hullswingerscom · Apr 8, 2008

very good thread james

i come on namepros becouse i am very interested in what james has to say about dot tv.

good post bulldog say it as it is.

...why should dot tv do well when you can get a tv.com for less money and can do the same thing.

.

rodash · Apr 8, 2008

I'm disappointed in AllThings defensive comments about DM. I find it hard to believe that he justifies their lack of direction over the past eight months.

From where I sit, DM has done little for dot TV; in fact, they've made it very difficult for this extension to get to the next level because of the things they have, and haven't, done:

1. At the time of the premium names launch there was not one mention on Enom.com or Bulk Register about the premium names launch. And that was the case for God knows how many weeks after the launch. I pointed this out in a post on this forum. In the scale of things, this may seem like a small matter but to me it signalled a lack of endeavour, purpose, knowhow and commitment in promoting dot TV. If they didn't go to the trouble of promoting the launch on their premier websites, then you can only wonder what the sum total of their "endeavours" elsewhere were.

2. DM's efforts in promoting dot TV via ChannelMe.tv have been lacklustre and highlighted by the fact that for weeks they had a .TV site promoted on their INDEX page highlighted as an example of one of the great new dot TV channels. You know where you went when you clicked on that TV channel's link? You guessed it - to a dot com website. And that link stayed on ChannelMe's front page for Christ only knows how long. I posted a reference to that link in this forum and weeks later the link was still on the ChannelMe index page. That shows how much they take the trouble to read the comments in this forum.

3. The advent of all those chunky looking Channel Me sites that rely on embedded YouTube video clips are a bloody embarrassment. People see a few of those "channels" and turn right off dot TV. I've had friends who've commented on how cluttered and how bad they look, and how they all look the same. When you consider how many thousands of these things there are - and they all look much of a muchness - then that is not a good promo for a major new extension. And where has been the evolvement of ChannelMe's video-channel-creation tools? I seem to recall it being said that more sophisticated, second-generation tools would be released soon after the release of the first tools.

4. And let's not forget our old mate, the premium renewals fiasco. This policy has killed any investment in the extension (and hence any accelerated development of domains en masse). This is the reality: no-one is going to invest in .TV names that cost thousands (or hundreds) of dollars to renew each year when they can buy decent generic dot com names for less than $2000 that cost $7 a year to renew. A $10,000 premium will have cost it's owner $60,000 after five years, and I seriously doubt that many (if any) undeveloped $10k .TV premiums are going to sell for that amount in five years from now. And I don't think there's any merit to the argument that .TV names are for developers - investment and development are intrinsically linked when it comes to domain names.

This is all very, very disappointing. It makes you weep in your Weeties.

..

MicroGuy · Apr 8, 2008

rodash said:
4. And let's not forget our old mate, the premium renewals fiasco. This policy has killed any investment in the extension (and hence any accelerated development of domains en masse). This is the reality: no-one is going to invest in .TV names that cost thousands (or hundreds) of dollars to renew each year when they can buy decent generic dot com names for less than $2000 that cost $7 a year to renew. A $10,000 premium will have cost it's owner $60,000 after five years, and I seriously doubt that many (if any) undeveloped $10k .TV premiums are going to sell for that amount in five years from now. And I don't think there's any merit to the argument that .TV names are for developers - investment and development are intrinsically linked when it comes to domain names.

Great points here....rep added!

VisualArtistFrankBonilla · Apr 8, 2008

I agree it's time for Demand Media to answer some questions about .tv, and ChannelMe.tv! Of course, I have vented,and complained about their "big promises" about making money by placing ads on your Channelme.tv sites. I have heard every excuse possible from them, as to why my sites aren't making any money.

It's almost one year later for most people, and I have yet to hear even 1 peson say "hey, I made some money on ChannelMe.tv!".

If you look at ChannelMe.tv site, #5 at the bottom ( in a pretty prominant blue box) says "Make Some Money", check here :

http://www.channelme.tv

What a bunch of bull. To make it worse, it "seems" as if ChannelMe.tv mainipulates the earning any time they go up. Here is my example again, almost 1 year later.

Abstracts.tv earnings:
Jan 08 29 cents

Feb 08 70 cents

March 08 $3.94 cents

Apr 08 .78 cents

Doesn't it seem strange to you after making a huge $3.94 , now it is 78 cents, and will probably wind up at about $1.25 for the month, maybe?

I really don't care, I gave up on DemandMedia/ChannelMe.tv's big promises about advertising. I have posted on the ChannelMe.tv blog, and heard all the excuses. The only reason I am posting now is because started this thread.

Let me ask you this though, how much do you think DemandMedia is making off all the advertising? I bet it is a little more than $3.94 a month. They are like the gas companies, making thousands, or millions, and can't pay us even $x-xx per month.
For the supporters, I know, I didn't have to buy the sites, or can leave. I didn't buy them just for the advertising. I bought Smartiecandy.tv for my wife, and Abstracts.tv, and Tex-Mex.tv just because I like music. Just like gas, I'll keep using them, since I like my sites. I don't have to like DemandMedia, though. Dirty, ^*^^*(_( thieving, lousy Bas#stards!!!

Has anyone made anything worth mentioning?

Ha!! :bingo:

Frank

MillersCrossing · Apr 8, 2008

rodash said:
I'm disappointed in AllThings defensive comments about DM. I find it hard to believe that he justifies their lack of direction over the past eight months.

From where I sit, DM has done little for dot TV; in fact, they've made it very difficult for this extension to get to the next level because of the things they have, and haven't, done:

1. At the time of the premium names launch there was not one mention on Enom.com or Bulk Register about the premium names launch. And that was the case for God knows how many weeks after the launch. I pointed this out in a post on this forum. In the scale of things, this may seem like a small matter but to me it signalled a lack of endeavour, purpose, knowhow and commitment in promoting dot TV. If they didn't go to the trouble of promoting the launch on their premier websites, then you can only wonder what the sum total of their "endeavours" elsewhere were.

2. DM's efforts in promoting dot TV via ChannelMe.tv have been lacklustre and highlighted by the fact that for weeks they had a .TV site promoted on their INDEX page highlighted as an example of one of the great new dot TV channels. You know where you went when you clicked on that TV channel's link? You guessed it - to a dot com website. And that link stayed on ChannelMe's front page for Christ only knows how long. I posted a reference to that link in this forum and weeks later the link was still on the ChannelMe index page. That shows how much they take the trouble to read the comments in this forum.

3. The advent of all those chunky looking Channel Me sites that rely on embedded YouTube video clips are a bloody embarrassment. People see a few of those "channels" and turn right off dot TV. I've had friends who've commented on how cluttered and how bad they look, and how they all look the same. When you consider how many thousands of these things there are - and they all look much of a muchness - then that is not a good promo for a major new extension. And where has been the evolvement of ChannelMe's video-channel-creation tools? I seem to recall it being said that more sophisticated, second-generation tools would be released soon after the release of the first tools.

4. And let's not forget our old mate, the premium renewals fiasco. This policy has killed any investment in the extension (and hence any accelerated development of domains en masse). This is the reality: no-one is going to invest in .TV names that cost thousands (or hundreds) of dollars to renew each year when they can buy decent generic dot com names for less than $2000 that cost $7 a year to renew. A $10,000 premium will have cost it's owner $60,000 after five years, and I seriously doubt that many (if any) undeveloped $10k .TV premiums are going to sell for that amount in five years from now. And I don't think there's any merit to the argument that .TV names are for developers - investment and development are intrinsically linked when it comes to domain names.

This is all very, very disappointing. It makes you weep in your Weeties.

..

I hope I stand vindicated now. Rodash has given PRECISE examples, as you have requested ALLTHINGS, of why DM does not give a flying fishing rod about .TV.

So has Abstracts and quite a few more members now on this thread.

To suggest that we tape our mouths shut whilst paying homage to DM , because its unprofessional to criticise them..............man, that shit just doesnt add up....

I for one will continue to sing when I want to......whether or not that is professional in your opinion should be exactly where it stays - in your opinion....

The fantastic news is that people around the world are developing great .TV sites and arenot hanging around for DM to monetise their content or issue their next genration tools, no - they are forging ahead with their own vision of what they want and expect from their .TV sites.

And guess where you can find a compilation of all these non Channel Me sites - why right here in a thread entitled .TV sightings sponsored by ALLTHINGS.TV!!.............

RPK · Apr 8, 2008

In my opinion I was expecting more from Demand Media. There was some initial hype from them and they participated in this forum for about 3 weeks. With the type of budget they have, they should be promoting the extension, even just a little bit. The fact that they don't shows me that they have put the .tv extension on the back burner and concentrating on other endeavors.

It doesn't change my passion or belief in the extension. .TV will succeed, just may take a bit longer then we were hoping when DM came along.

*AllThings.tv* · Apr 8, 2008

This isn't about protecting Demand Media nor is this related to any alleged feud between James and myself.

This isn't about shutting down any criticism directed toward Demand Media.

This was about the image of this subforum to the outside world. This was about the responsibility of our members to post responsibly. This was about the manner in which those criticisms were made.

If we want to be critical, then we should do so in a manner that is not reckless.

Did you ever ask yourself why Demand Media no longer has a representative on this subforum? Now, I know some of us have not been on the forum long enough to know that Demand Media used to have a rep here, but those that have been here when Quinn was involved know that we had a direct internal connection with Demand Media to discuss these issues and now we don't.

I don't look at my participation on this forum as a popularity contest. Having been a previous active member of this subforum, I am doing my best to shed some light on those things we can do to improve the NamePros dot tv subforum.

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