Advice to newbies: stöp régisterìng µs€less IDNs !

.tv said:

I have рор.com, which is a 3 letter Russian IDN name, but not sure about the meaning.

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Well, this is ROR in ASCII characters, which is a quite popular web programming framework (Ruby On Rails). You might have something there.

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jacksonm said:

Well, this is ROR in ASCII characters, which is a quite popular web programming framework (Ruby On Rails). You might have something there.

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Thanks for clarifying. :great:

.tv said:

Thanks for clarifying. :great:

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No problem. Keep that explanation in mind when you get inquiries for this domain from a Russian/Ukrainian person - that you know why they want it and that you know what it means to them. I think that somebody will eventually inquire about this domain.

BTW, this domain is far more valuable than any English word which has substituted accent characters.

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tee1 said:

all IDN sales threads should have these things included
Language
Translation
punycode

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agree tee1, except for the translation

Offering a translation helps sell the domain, but is often insufficient and is frequently misleading!! Seller should choose to either omit it (obviously buyer should beware i not native speaker) or offer some description indicating if it's the primary term, any other meanings, etc.

But you're right, language and punycode should be absolutely required for IDN sales threads.

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bocanames said:

agree tee1, except for the translation

Offering a translation helps sell the domain, but is often insufficient and is frequently misleading!! Seller should choose to either omit it (obviously buyer should beware i not native speaker) or offer some description indicating if it's the primary term, any other meanings, etc.

But you're right, language and punycode should be absolutely required for IDN sales threads.

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The format should look like this:


Unicode:
Punycode:
Script:
Language:
Meaning:


Examples:

Unicode: köln.com
Punycode: xn--kln-sna.com
Script: Latin
Language: German
Meaning: Cologne (City in Germany)

Unicode: фото.com
Punycode: xn--n1aalg.com
Script: Cyrillic
Language: Russian
Meaning: Photo

Unicode: الهلال.net
Punycode:xn--mgba0gabp.net
Script: Arabic
Language: Arabic
Meaning: The Crescent

Unicode: pízza.com
Punycode: xn--pzza-vpa.com
Script: Latin
Language: None
Meaning: Fake word, look-alike of the English word Pizza

etc.


This is a quite compact and informative listing model.


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jacksonm said:

The format should look like this:
Unicode:
Punycode:
Script:
Language:
Meaning:

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Well done jacksonm!!!
I propose to use this format everytime there is a domain for sell

mike55 said:

kath, i agree with you. but geez jackson, give it a rest already.

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No, I won't. I am on a mission to stop the fraud and deceit.

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*cough* Ahem *snort*

IDN Domains For Sale :: For sales of IDNs (Internationalized Domain Names).

This forum does not have an assigned moderator. Do you want to apply?

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http://www.namepros.com/modapp.php?section=IDN Domains For Sale


I firmly believe we could actually use Several Mods in this section ... As there are obviously going to be more and more languages. For the most part - We're looking for longer term members with a sense of Fair Play. Also - If you're looking for a paid position , May I point out to you that this is still a Free Forum that gives out Revenue sharing and Has high Hosting expenses ? Thus , why we need Sponsors

I don't necessarily think all threads should be deleted or shunned immediately just because it isn't considered a valid "IDN" keyword or phrase though, "Domain Hacks" and "Novelty" Domains should be welcome IMO - But labeled as such.

When I said "hire me", it was a figure of speech. Of course I don't expect to be paid anything.

But if you're looking for long-term active members, then I've only been a member for a little over a year and have been lurking most of that time.

Please read the last reply to my post in the reported threads section to see an explanation why I think these domains are so bad. Maybe you will change your mind about them. Or maybe you already read it and didn't change your mind.

I actually couldn't believe the guy who said that these type of domains are far more valuable than "the real idns". If I evoked him to say that in public, imagine what he's telling everyone who PMs him to inquire about his cool-looking spoof domain?

I don't think you will attract any respectable and knowledgeable moderators if they need to allow this sort of stuff in, as then it seems like their endorsement.

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I see that the thread has been stickied
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jacksonm is right all the way, and a man on a mission is hard to stop

He'd make a good moderator for IDNs for sale because there's a seemingly fine point bandied about here that few fully appreciate that is very important. There is a huge difference between "novelty" IDNs and those bought and sold with the sole intent being to defraud others.

Domains that look confusingly like ASCII equivalents of well known trustable institutions should be presumed to be traded in either ignorance or bad intent. Banning trade in obvious phishing domains is not a judgement call, it's a requirement of a good moderator for IDN sales threads.

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so someone regs pízza, drînk, cařs, ßanana, etc.. and finds a buyer. good for them. if not, they'll end up junk like sooooo many other ASCII names.

i have fûnd and capitál. open to offers......

mike55 said:

so someone regs pízza, drînk, cařs, ßanana, etc.. and finds a buyer. good for them. if not, they'll end up junk like sooooo many other ASCII names.

i have fûnd and capitál. open to offers......

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Finding a legitimate buyer who knows exactly what they're buying... fine. Misleading some poor sap into thinking these names are "rare" or anything but novelty domains... unacceptable and should not be tolerated.

just like anything else for sale....caveat emptor. i find it hard to believe someone could be misled into buying one of those names thinking they're anything but what they are.....

Mark said:

*cough* Ahem *snort*

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and what about the proposal to use obligatorily the format:
Unicode:
Punycode:
Script:
Language:
Meaning:
for every IDN domain for sell?

mike55 said:

just like anything else for sale....caveat emptor. i find it hard to believe someone could be misled into buying one of those names thinking they're anything but what they are.....

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Trading in them isn't the biggest problem, it's the proliferation. The main use for these "Look-alike" domains is phishing. This is the reason the firefox team decided to only display punycode for IDN.com and IDN.net. That policy is seriously damaging to the international uptake of IDN, and the aiding and abetting of the phishing ecosystem does not help the situation at all.

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mike55 said:

just like anything else for sale....caveat emptor. i find it hard to believe someone could be misled into buying one of those names thinking they're anything but what they are.....

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Oh well I have seen a few in the Sedo auctions so I guess there are cases of newbies buying from other newbies
IMO Mark it totally right: nothing wrong with registering hacks or novelty but treat them as novelty items, not investments :gl:

davnin said:

and what about the proposal to use obligatorily the format:
Unicode:
Punycode:
Script:
Language:
Meaning:
for every IDN domain for sell?

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Not a good proposal for a variety of reasons.

Script and language descriptors are only marginally useful and should be self-evident in most cases. In the cases where the buyer does not recognize the script they should reconsider why they want to buy the domain! It's not useful, for example, to require a seller to disclose that a Japanese domain is mixed script Kanji + hiragana, as that either doesn't mean anything to the buyer, or they already know it by inspection.

Meaning is a dangerous one. First of all, if I don't know the meaning of a domain should I NOT be allowed to sell it? Secondly how many times have you seen people misled, buying lousy domains that were accurately translated? That's because more context is required - like whether or not it's the primary term, whether or not it's a phonetic transliteration of an English word (think about Katakana Japanese domains), etc. Even then it's hard to be sure sometimes.

Finally there is the matter of putting undue burden on the seller. Requiring too much detail prevents sellers from holding large "clearance" sales. As you all know it is common practice to post large groups of domains up for sale or auction because managing large amounts of domains is time-intensive. Requiring more detail really puts enough burden on the seller where you'll see fewer large sales. Besides, why shouldn't I be able to post 100 Chinese domains for sale at a flat rate and offer no translations at all? That's not the battle we need to fight - we need to fight against fraud and dealing in domains obviously intended for nefarious use.

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jacksonm said:

The format should look like this:
Unicode:
Punycode:
Script:
Language:
Meaning:

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I agree with Jackson. With the upcoming releases of idn.idn (in addition to idn.com, idn.net, idn.jp, idn.cn etc.) the sales activity for IDN will no doubt increase substantially and there should be some firm ground rules on the sales forums.

I see alot of problems with IDN sales in the future. Even those well intentioned can misrepresent their domain.

Many people don't know what to look for in an IDN and just see what they want. Even reason doesn't sway them. Those looking for a quick buck will run into trouble. Those that choose to learn how to successfully evaluate an IDN will do alright.