Are you in Danger of losing your Generic .IN Domains? - Page 2

ekal · 12-15-2006, 11:49 AM

Good question - I took down my portfolio site for a while but reasoned that the chances of a sale outweighed the possibility of losing one or two through disputes.

I'm also developing like mad.

Mike · 12-15-2006, 01:46 PM

i'd pull all for sale signs and traffic/parking activities and sit tight for a few months, until some investigating is done. there is no sense in losing a great domain over a few bucks through parking.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/cctld-discussion/266436-you-danger-losing-your-generic-domains.html
as with many country domains, you are at the mercy of their government, rules, bribes and friendship brown-nosers.

enom however, we have a corporate problem with them at this time, seems to collect ALL names that drop and squats on them, NO matter whether someone has a TM on a name, as it is in our case! We made sizable offers (upper xx.xxx) for a domain that has zero relevance to them. Now the attorneys are talking.

so, all things considered, get your domains pulled from traffic, sit on them and wait what eNom does. Follow the path of the registrar, they are obviously slick enough to know which way to go.

just my 2 cents

ekal · 12-15-2006, 01:56 PM

Clearly they are going after the first level generics as well as some of the domains that are truly infringing.

I don't have any in either category, but I certainly might be following Mike's advice if I did.

***Domainate.com*** · 12-15-2006, 05:46 PM

This is definitely scary. It's one thing if you have a lot of money or are a corporation or something and lose a high quality generic. My high quality generic .in represents a lot of money to me, and it would be absolutely devastating if I lost it to some jackass presenting a faux TM case. I guess I'll whip out a "coming soon" page and will forego the few bucks a month I make from parking from it.

ekal · 12-16-2006, 05:38 AM

Absolutely a good idea - all of the domains that were lost had been parked.

Just put up a simple page with a few pages of text about your subject and some Google Ads.

-db- · 12-16-2006, 03:11 PM

I don't have time to build mini-sites for 200+ Indian domains, so I guess I'll go back to my old system, which was forwarding all the domains to a main site, and just having a simple holding page. No "for sale" sign, no real information of any kind, just a "coming soon" message, and my email address for contact.

I got lots of inquiries and made several sales that way, before I started parking them.

A shame though, because the traffic and clicks on my Indian names are getting better.

domainer50 · 12-16-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

I don't have time to build mini-sites for 200+ Indian domains, so I guess I'll go back to my old system, which was forwarding all the domains to a main site, and just having a simple holding page. No "for sale" sign, no real information of any kind, just a "coming soon" message, and my email address for contact.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=266436

I got lots of inquiries and made several sales that way, before I started parking them.

A shame though, because the traffic and clicks on my Indian names are getting better.

Do you currently park your sites? Are you gaining type in traffic for your .in names?

wot · 12-16-2006, 06:18 PM

Probably what we should be doing is exposing those individuals /companies that are circumventing the law/ rules with spurious claims and tm's

Maybe make the .in registry think a little more before they uphold these "claims" if they are likely to get adverse publicity.

Just checked Circumvent.in is available , perfect for an expose site , not just for .in

-db- · 12-16-2006, 07:36 PM

http://www.iam.in/contact.html

I made sure to include... "We have a wide variety of Indian names, and many are forwarded here while awaiting future development."... but, if I forward all my Indian domains to that page, I suppose I would still be a 'target' because it says I do sell my names?

Originally Posted by domainer50

Do you currently park your sites? Are you gaining type in traffic for your .in names?

Yes. And Yes.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=266436

Originally Posted by wot

Probably what we should be doing is exposing those individuals /companies that are circumventing the law/ rules with spurious claims and tm's

Any ideas?

wot · 12-16-2006, 09:18 PM

[QUOTE=-db

Any ideas?[/QUOTE]

OK - I have now taken the first step and regged Circumvent.in - even has Google 800+ for Circumventin

To surround (an enemy, for example); enclose or entrap.
To go around; bypass: circumvented the city.
To avoid or get around by artful maneuvering: She planned a way to circumvent all the bureaucratic red tape.

I think maybe a blog would be an appropriate way to set about this

We already have plenty of data from the .eu /.info scandals etc to get it off and running.

Have to be careful about regarding libel but if I do it all in my name/ company name - a retiree with dodgy body functions , living in Thailand should not be much of a problem.

Give me your thoughts.

ekal · 12-17-2006, 06:59 AM

A good idea, wot.

Now that all of us are fore-warned, it will be much easier to share information and tactics.

I don't think you'd have any fear of libel with such cases. The facts are pretty damning.

wot · 12-17-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by ekal

A good idea, wot.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=266436

Now that all of us are fore-warned, it will be much easier to share information and tactics.

I don't think you'd have any fear of libel with such cases. The facts are pretty damning.

I have family here for xmas so will start in the new year - anybody who would like to contribute please gather and retain any info pending launch of the blog.

Thanks,

Wot

zehrila · 12-17-2006, 08:08 PM

enom is squatter, and i guess enom is at back of ovidio in .eu senario and yes directi is also squatter, i got only one .in and it makes 5-6 a day on nd i wonder if i should remove it

godolphin · 12-18-2006, 10:39 AM

This is real bad news! These kind of circumstances occur in any type of investment, but we must deploy a STOP LOSS strategy.

This is the kind of investigation i was recommending in my earlier posts. Thanks a2zofb2b for sharing your investigation.

And yes we might also have to take off our domains listed at listed.co.in!!!
Can TipsfromtheTop tell us how to delete names from listed.co.in??

We have to respond unitedly.

I think we must on behalf of the Website of WOT 'circumvent.in' write a letter to the Communications & Information Technology Minister Mr. Dayanidhi Maran exposing the tactics of any individual or company and send a carbon copy of the same letter to the .in Registry Head.

What do you guys think?

My view:
1. Either the individual may be roughed up and the domains given back to the original registrants.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=266436

2. The concept of registering domains only for the purpose of selling later at a profit might not be accepted at all by the Minister/Registry.

Please share your views before taking any step.

ekal · 12-18-2006, 10:51 AM

An open letter might not be a bad idea.

The point would be simply to ask them to operate according to ICANN dispute resolution standards.

godolphin · 12-18-2006, 10:57 AM

indiaportals has become evil this can be an evidence against them.

alex_d · 12-18-2006, 02:19 PM

JUst read this post, and found it very interesting.

It got me slightly worried about a domain I own - history.co.in
I have had this name parked at Sedo for about 18 months now, have had several mid $XXX offers on it ( all of which I turned down ), and it is getting a steady flow of visits each month.

Would you guys think that a name like this could be at risk being on Sedo ???

Thanks

Alex

ekal · 12-18-2006, 02:21 PM

These are .ins been taking almost exclusively. No .co.ins so far.

-db- · 12-18-2006, 02:32 PM

Guys, I'm having trouble hitting the button to remove my names from parking...

All those hours spent optimizing the keywords, the template, even the pictures on the page.

Damn it.

ekal · 12-18-2006, 02:42 PM

-db-

I wouldn't if I were you, unless you have top-of-the-line generics.

(not to be mistaken in any way for a lawyers advice....)

godolphin · 12-19-2006, 09:44 AM

Friends, after thinking a lot on this issue. i am not withdrawing my names from parking as most of my names are ending in .co.in. Moreover, i am planning to develop these names next year onwards.

ekal · 12-19-2006, 09:57 AM

Agreed - my policy is also not to make any changes, but to keep a very watchful eye on events.

ekal · 12-19-2006, 12:09 PM

Great news - publicity is a very useful start in attacking this trend

DNabc · 12-19-2006, 12:12 PM

This makes me sick. How does a subdomain grant anything? .in domains are out of the question for me.

ekal · 12-19-2006, 12:22 PM

See Page 7 of BuysDomains next post for the reasons why you can lose a domain.

12-15-2006, 05:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
*Domainate.com* Domain Seller & Expert Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 3,778 Follow @nametrader	This is definitely scary. It's one thing if you have a lot of money or are a corporation or something and lose a high quality generic. My high quality generic .in represents a lot of money to me, and it would be absolutely devastating if I lost it to some jackass presenting a faux TM case. I guess I'll whip out a "coming soon" page and will forego the few bucks a month I make from parking from it. __________________ NEW: Database of 35,000+ available domains including many high search, high CPC! Weekly Domain Special: BlogPostWriters.com, CasualLiving.org + 28 more domains for sale! Join our Doma.in Newsletter for discounted domains and training! \| Twitter \| Facebook Read my published Business Insider article, 10 Myths About The New Top-Level Domains

12-16-2006, 03:11 PM	#31 (permalink)
-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,618	I don't have time to build mini-sites for 200+ Indian domains, so I guess I'll go back to my old system, which was forwarding all the domains to a main site, and just having a simple holding page. No "for sale" sign, no real information of any kind, just a "coming soon" message, and my email address for contact. I got lots of inquiries and made several sales that way, before I started parking them. A shame though, because the traffic and clicks on my Indian names are getting better. __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

12-16-2006, 06:18 PM	#33 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,776	Probably what we should be doing is exposing those individuals /companies that are circumventing the law/ rules with spurious claims and tm's Maybe make the .in registry think a little more before they uphold these "claims" if they are likely to get adverse publicity. Just checked Circumvent.in is available , perfect for an expose site , not just for .in __________________ Perú.co,上海.biz,红旗.com,MonikerBlog.com 247.in,888Blog.com,México.co,中国888.com Last edited by wot; 12-16-2006 at 06:34 PM.

12-16-2006, 09:18 PM	#35 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,776	[QUOTE=-db Any ideas?[/QUOTE] OK - I have now taken the first step and regged Circumvent.in - even has Google 800+ for Circumventin To surround (an enemy, for example); enclose or entrap. To go around; bypass: circumvented the city. To avoid or get around by artful maneuvering: She planned a way to circumvent all the bureaucratic red tape. I think maybe a blog would be an appropriate way to set about this We already have plenty of data from the .eu /.info scandals etc to get it off and running. Have to be careful about regarding libel but if I do it all in my name/ company name - a retiree with dodgy body functions , living in Thailand should not be much of a problem. Give me your thoughts. __________________ Perú.co,上海.biz,红旗.com,MonikerBlog.com 247.in,888Blog.com,México.co,中国888.com

12-17-2006, 06:59 AM	#36 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	A good idea, wot. Now that all of us are fore-warned, it will be much easier to share information and tactics. I don't think you'd have any fear of libel with such cases. The facts are pretty damning. Last edited by ekal; 12-17-2006 at 07:05 AM.

12-15-2006, 11:49 AM	#26 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	Good question - I took down my portfolio site for a while but reasoned that the chances of a sale outweighed the possibility of losing one or two through disputes. I'm also developing like mad.

12-15-2006, 01:46 PM	#27 (permalink)
Mike NamePros Expert Join Date: May 2005 Location: www.chrome.us Posts: 5,217	i'd pull all for sale signs and traffic/parking activities and sit tight for a few months, until some investigating is done. there is no sense in losing a great domain over a few bucks through parking. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/cctld-discussion/266436-you-danger-losing-your-generic-domains.html as with many country domains, you are at the mercy of their government, rules, bribes and friendship brown-nosers. enom however, we have a corporate problem with them at this time, seems to collect ALL names that drop and squats on them, NO matter whether someone has a TM on a name, as it is in our case! We made sizable offers (upper xx.xxx) for a domain that has zero relevance to them. Now the attorneys are talking. so, all things considered, get your domains pulled from traffic, sit on them and wait what eNom does. Follow the path of the registrar, they are obviously slick enough to know which way to go. just my 2 cents

12-15-2006, 01:56 PM	#28 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	Clearly they are going after the first level generics as well as some of the domains that are truly infringing. I don't have any in either category, but I certainly might be following Mike's advice if I did.

12-16-2006, 05:38 AM	#30 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	Absolutely a good idea - all of the domains that were lost had been parked. Just put up a simple page with a few pages of text about your subject and some Google Ads.

12-17-2006, 08:08 PM	#38 (permalink)
zehrila NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 404	enom is squatter, and i guess enom is at back of ovidio in .eu senario and yes directi is also squatter, i got only one .in and it makes 5-6 a day on nd i wonder if i should remove it __________________ WwW.GameCheats.EU Mobile Phone Prices \| BcD.mobi Pm me to buy this domain

12-18-2006, 10:39 AM	#39 (permalink)
godolphin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,344	This is real bad news! These kind of circumstances occur in any type of investment, but we must deploy a STOP LOSS strategy. This is the kind of investigation i was recommending in my earlier posts. Thanks a2zofb2b for sharing your investigation. And yes we might also have to take off our domains listed at listed.co.in!!! Can TipsfromtheTop tell us how to delete names from listed.co.in?? We have to respond unitedly. I think we must on behalf of the Website of WOT 'circumvent.in' write a letter to the Communications & Information Technology Minister Mr. Dayanidhi Maran exposing the tactics of any individual or company and send a carbon copy of the same letter to the .in Registry Head. What do you guys think? My view: 1. Either the individual may be roughed up and the domains given back to the original registrants. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=266436 2. The concept of registering domains only for the purpose of selling later at a profit might not be accepted at all by the Minister/Registry. Please share your views before taking any step. Last edited by godolphin; 12-19-2006 at 09:46 AM.

12-18-2006, 10:51 AM	#40 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	An open letter might not be a bad idea. The point would be simply to ask them to operate according to ICANN dispute resolution standards.

12-18-2006, 10:57 AM	#41 (permalink)
godolphin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,344	indiaportals has become evil this can be an evidence against them. Last edited by godolphin; 12-18-2006 at 11:17 AM. Reason: Edited content for good

12-18-2006, 02:19 PM	#42 (permalink)
alex_d NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 903	JUst read this post, and found it very interesting. It got me slightly worried about a domain I own - history.co.in I have had this name parked at Sedo for about 18 months now, have had several mid $XXX offers on it ( all of which I turned down ), and it is getting a steady flow of visits each month. Would you guys think that a name like this could be at risk being on Sedo ??? Thanks Alex __________________ Page Rank is dead - It's the SERPs that count. What's your Serp Rank ? Παιχνιδια OnlineTravel.tv \| OnlineHotels.tv \| OnlineCasinos.tv

12-18-2006, 02:21 PM	#43 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	These are .ins been taking almost exclusively. No .co.ins so far.

12-18-2006, 02:32 PM	#44 (permalink)
-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,618	Guys, I'm having trouble hitting the button to remove my names from parking... All those hours spent optimizing the keywords, the template, even the pictures on the page. Damn it. __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

12-18-2006, 02:42 PM	#45 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	-db- I wouldn't if I were you, unless you have top-of-the-line generics. (not to be mistaken in any way for a lawyers advice....)

12-19-2006, 09:44 AM	#46 (permalink)
godolphin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,344	Friends, after thinking a lot on this issue. i am not withdrawing my names from parking as most of my names are ending in .co.in. Moreover, i am planning to develop these names next year onwards.

12-19-2006, 09:57 AM	#47 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	Agreed - my policy is also not to make any changes, but to keep a very watchful eye on events.

12-19-2006, 12:09 PM	#48 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	Great news - publicity is a very useful start in attacking this trend

12-19-2006, 12:12 PM	#49 (permalink)
DNabc NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Central Domain Posts: 502 Follow @centraldomain	This makes me sick. How does a subdomain grant anything? .in domains are out of the question for me. __________________ Partnerships : DN abc - Looking for domain partners - My best partners will get many valuable gifts. FREE Hosting for 24 months at Jumpline - ($25 activation fee)! Spread the word!

12-19-2006, 12:22 PM	#50 (permalink)
ekal Play up Pompey! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,326	See Page 7 of BuysDomains next post for the reasons why you can lose a domain.

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