Rick Schwartz's thoughts on .mobi - Page 2

cursal · 11-03-2006, 01:16 PM

I haven't had any problems with my my phone using voice to call people. Sometimes it takes 2 tries, but that's ok. Still quicker than finding them in the phone or dialing each number.

The bill pay was with Qwest. Never had a single problem paying my bill and I never once talked to person. (not that I don't like talking to people).

People use direct dial by voice all the time. Even 4 years ago I had a crappy Kycera phone and that worked for voice dial.

Using icons on the screen to choose is another option. I don't expect it to be either or voice/click, but both used where each is best suited.

Mobile may not be the common term used world wide, but if the Telecom industry decides thet .mobi is the default for mobile browsers, well then everybody who used a mobile device will use it wether they like it or not.(well the savvy will know how to adjust defaults) but the common person will leave it as is.

It could take 10 years for any of this to happen in a smooth fashion.
It's not a matter if this all takes off, but rather when..

JMHO

Originally Posted by gamehouse

Do you guys know about how long its been taking for so called voice recognition to reach a level where at least few hundred people use it? Voice recognition is one of those technologies which is working hard to strike a chord with usage but to no avail.

I hear many people saying, lol, soon you can speak off web address into your cell phone and the web will be opened. I hate to say, but that dreaming is going for a long a time now. I would be very happy if my cellphone connects to my buddy at least by voice recognition.
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Also, why do you want to confuse common public to speak off the web address but type in anything else going further using that particular web. Or do you expect everything is done by voice recognition. oh la la, thats going to take few more years to achieve acceptable perfection.

Its one thing to say, technology is going to lead the life in few years, which might be true. Its another to KNOW what parts of technologies are actually making ahead at the end of the day. I know on namepros most of the members are domainers, check out howard forums to meet mobile (lol, is that how it is called in my country? I think its called cell, but .mobi is gTLD, kudos to ICANN overlooking the fact that mobile is not called mobile in all the countries in the world) yup, mobile mad people who change phones every three months. I was part of them once.

On the other hand, I wish you folks great returns, after all , you are all my friends on this great Namepros.

GH

nrec4mil · 11-03-2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by gamehouse

I meant that when I normally make purchase on the pc. And calling 1-800-flowers would be my choice if I have to buy flowers on the go.
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GH

I guess that's one of the main things we'll all be watching for... how many people will change their choice to .mobi vs. a phone call when they can see images AND be doing it on the go. Hopefully you'll be just one of many converts! Just think how text messaging has taken over for so many... my caution lies from memories of the Betamax vs. VHS... I just see more promise for .mobi than risk.

hawkeye · 11-03-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by think

Hi Lux,

Were you THINKING of me when you put THINK, in caps?
( I am only joking

)

I do have a great deal invested in Mobi for an investor my size, about 35-40k on around 400 names. The landrush was very good to me. ...........

......I wish the best to all in the forums no matter your feelings on a new tld that still has a long way to go before it can truly be called a contender.

That said I hope even classic dot com domainers will realize that people will be looking for mobile content very soon and now is the time to prepare to meet this up and coming need.

I hope the ppc companies are working hard to prepare for this. Even if you doubt the need for dot Mobi the need for traditional tlds to be mobile friendly is rapidly approaching.

Best wishes and happy domaining,

C.T. Kirkpatrick
aka: Think

Think, this is something everyone should read and give heed to. Very well put, and a well balanced view of the .mobi tld, and arguements for and against it. I myself was against it at first and didn't have a list of names to reg until the day before the landrush. Reading all the various opinions and pieces in forums and websites, it then became more clear that this is more than just another tld. It is a tld that will serve and push forward the mobile internet experience that is coming, and is literally just around the corner. Anybody can do anything with anything to make it work on various applications, like adjusting their dot com site for mobile viewing, or using a script etc, to make it work. It's the majority that don't/won't take the time, money, work etc, to make these types arrangements. Kinda like there's those that will go out and get a black box to get free cable, but the majority of people will follow the easier path of paying for services and not having to look over their shoulders (so to speak) to make sure they are hassle free. I think too many 'skeptics' are looking at their own computer skills/abilities, and/or hard lessons they've had, instead of an obvious future opportunity.
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Whatever the length of time it will last, .mobi will be the extension that will push the mobile internet forward for the initial being, if not longer. The rewards for spending some money on some good .mobi names now while they are available, can be too much to pass up on now, for a sure thing that is coming tomorrow.

Great post Think. GL

gamehouse · 11-03-2006, 02:46 PM

Thats a BIG if, I would say. There will be many factors coming into place for something like that to happen. But I honestly wish that will happen.

Regards,

GH

Originally Posted by cursal

Mobile may not be the common term used world wide, but if the Telecom industry decides thet .mobi is the default for mobile browsers, well then everybody who used a mobile device will use it wether they like it or not.(well the savvy will know how to adjust defaults) but the common person will leave it as is.

It could take 10 years for any of this to happen in a smooth fashion.
It's not a matter if this all takes off, but rather when..

JMHO

MinionDH · 11-03-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by think

I am planning to spend a great deal on the development of Mobi

Think,
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I've said this many times before, but development will play a key role in the success of mobi. Your plans of developing is great news! I know you caught some great names during landrush.. (many of which I pre-registered!) but I look forward to see what you develop. Good luck

Minion

PS: Let me know if you need any help with development

Originally Posted by think

I then realized I had found a soft spot in a very promising industry. I spent hours preparing my lists knowing about the premium list but thinking there would be some that were missed.

I also waited anxiously for companies to allow pre-registrations. I remained very quiet in the beginning so I didn't clue in competition for the landrush.

This sounds really familiar

GoPC · 11-03-2006, 04:03 PM

Another nice mobi sale today...

Leads.mobi - $7000 at Afternic

GoPC

-db- · 11-03-2006, 04:09 PM

I want to clarify, I'm not anti-mobi.

I'm anti-everything.

Seriously though, I have registered 50+ .Mobi domains, so I hope it does well.

But I am skeptical, and I am uncertain, and it is a high risk.

Carlton · 11-03-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by think

... I purchased Austin.biz at Traffic.

Congratulations on getting an outstanding city. Also, thanks for a very balanced and thoughtful post on mobi.

think · 11-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Carlton

Congratulations on getting an outstanding city. Also, thanks for a very balanced and thoughtful post on mobi.

Thank you. I really like your work on Tampa.mobi.
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I should rephrase and say I have the winning bid on austin.biz but hope to have the purchase completed very soon.

luxinterior · 11-03-2006, 05:09 PM

Think - I won't use the 'quote' function as your post was long but I just wanted to applaud you on one of the better posts/opinions I've seen on this forum. I'm referring to post #25.

You are one of the few people that appears to be level headed and you have obviously formulated a business plan based on your sound research. As with every other .MOBI owner I sincerely hope that all the hype turns out to be true.

Good luck and my fingers, toes, ears, nostril hairs and anything else I can think of to cross, are crossed for you!

Peace

Lux

oldtimer · 11-03-2006, 05:21 PM

Those who have great keyword domains in other popular extensions perhaps can afford to remain indifferent to .mobi , but for many that have been bottom feeders in the domain pond this would be a great opportunity to elevate themselves to the big fish status, This is perhaps one of the only times that good keyword domains could be obtained with minimal investment, there might not be another opportunity like this for a long time to come. You don’t have to have hundreds of domains to be a big fish you just have to get a few good domains that have the potential to be developed in to popular and useful websites. I myself have been thinking about a domain that could be suitable for all things related to camping and campgrounds and finally came up with happycamper.mobi

Lasher · 11-03-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

All the metrics aside .. this is the most important aspect naysayers overlook.

flowers.com (1800flowers.com) was outbid by Rick ... they were willing to pay $190,000 for it ... they wanted the domain! Think they know their market?

Yes they know their market, and they weren't prepared to pay 210k for it..

DB nailed my thoughts exactly on .MOBI, I bought 30 or 40 domains but I'm skeptical. For me, being relatively new to domains, I'd rather lose a few hundred bucks over a couple of years on an investment that doesn't work out than miss a GTLD launch, and not "just another TLD" but one with a real purpose and real potential. Whether or not that potential is realized only time will tell, but I'm pleasantly surprised at some of the prices .MOBIs are fetching already, both LLL and keywords -- it's already virtually caught up with .US in a matter of weeks.
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I guess I should get around to seeing exactly which domains I did get during landrush sometime soon, been super busy on a non-domain related project, seems I've missed a few nice .us sales too

duceman · 11-04-2006, 10:27 AM

I'm surprised by the thinking of some of the "old timers". I mean they were the one's that saw the value of domains as an investment before most of the world even knew what the internet was. You would think that their ability to think outside the box and several years into the future, they would be willing to gamble a few bucks on Mobi.

I'm not saying that Mobi will be what everyone hopes it will, but I'm willing to bet one nights worth of poker/blackjack/craps money on it.

accent · 11-04-2006, 06:51 PM

When you are successful doing something - even something outside the box - you develop patterns of thought. Even creative domainers lose that edge - why would they need it when the check from the parking company comes every month?

It also is true that the success of .MOBI would mean that this new market does not (as much) go toward their investments in .COM.

Who knows how successful .MOBI will be. It is speculation, but also a rare opportunity to play for high stakes.

cityforums.com · 11-17-2006, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by duceman

I'm surprised by the thinking of some of the "old timers". I mean they were the one's that saw the value of domains as an investment before most of the world even knew what the internet was. You would think that their ability to think outside the box and several years into the future, they would be willing to gamble a few bucks on Mobi.
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I'm not saying that Mobi will be what everyone hopes it will, but I'm willing to bet one nights worth of poker/blackjack/craps money on it.

" old timers " are thinking inside and outside the box ...

we have been through or burnt by new.net, the first

idns attempt, the early .tv up and down ... remember

as long as .mobi is not exclusive it won't have the same

value ... flowers.com IS mobile if it wants to be ... why

waste $200,000.00 when a few dollars worth of code will

do the same thing ? Also why wait 2-10 years to get

a return on $200,000.00 when you could have bought

some other .mobis with the same amount and make an

immediate return like some folks on NP have done.

Carlton · 11-17-2006, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

... why waste $200,000.00 when a few dollars worth of code will do the same thing ?

Waste $200,000? Better wait awhile before drawing any final conclusions.

200k is a larger gamble than most will make, yes. But, speculators and investors by nature are forward thinking and will make a calculated decision based on a confluence of factors that are not within most people's field of view.
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Mobi was a rare opportunity somewhat unlike other extension releases. I assume Rick Schwartz was compelled to take the gamble based on factors he found persuasive. Those that play stand to gain. The key, again and again, is to try and narrow your selection to a high quality name you can reasonably afford.

cityforums.com · 11-17-2006, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Carlton

Waste $200,000? Better wait awhile before drawing any final conclusions.

200k is a larger gamble than most will make, yes. But, speculators and investors by nature are forward thinking and will make a calculated decision based on a confluence of factors that are not within most people's field of view.

Mobi was a rare opportunity somewhat unlike other extension releases. I assume Rick Schwartz was compelled to take the gamble based on factors he found persuasive. Those that play stand to gain. The key, again and again, is to try and narrow your selection to a high quality name you can reasonably afford.

This is my personal opinion. If flowers.mobi is the

best the king can do with $200,000.00 maybe the king
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has too much money ... but then again this opinion is

coming from a pauper and the move did buy good

publicity.

nametrekker · 11-17-2006, 07:38 AM

You will see the "big guys" start making "mobi" moves soon -- I saw where Time magazine (you can see on the mobi site under Sunrise - sorry, I don't have the link) has filed several applications for Trademarked names on premium list -- while trying to register names, I kept coming across major players - Microsoft, Samsung, France Telecom, Motorola, Nokia, which had already submitted applications

cityforums.com · 11-17-2006, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by nametrekker

You will see the "big guys" start making "mobi" moves soon -- I saw where Time magazine (you can see on the mobi site under Sunrise - sorry, I don't have the link) has filed several applications for Trademarked names on premium list -- while trying to register names, I kept coming across major players - Microsoft, Samsung, France Telecom, Motorola, Nokia, which had already submitted applications

The Big guys spent some small bucks to save some
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bucks chasing TM infringement cases so it means nothing.

think · 11-17-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

The Big guys spent some small bucks to save some

bucks chasing TM infringement cases so it means nothing.

Big guys using TM clout to access premium generics

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Very relevant.

Many generic terms also have multiple TMs for different categories.

Look up a generic word like "THINK".

You can look up TMs here: http://www.uspto.gov/

(Please note this search will list both applicants and registrants. The difference being registrants were granted TM's and the applicants are still just applying. I didn't realise this the first time I used this tool and made some wrong conclusions about TMs. I ended up spending a great deal on lawyers for TM issues only to find out my assumptions were false because the TMs were not awarded. It's easy to make mistakes if you don't know what to look for. )

If you look for the term "think" you will see many different companies have TMs for it.

Hundreds of companies use "think" in their name and at least 5 or 6 have a TM for the the exact word.

As long as they use it for different categories all these companies have the right to use the word THINK to describe their business.

I would loved to have gotten Think.mobi but I have no TM

IBM took Think.mobi very early in TM sunrise (June 12th 2006).

This means companies like Think skateboards will have to settle for a longer tld and possibly lose some traffic due to IBM owning Think.mobi.

IBM must have been thinking ahead

So which ever companies apply for the generic word tld obviously has a greater chance of getting the domain

I think some companies remember the com years and want to try to get premium generics that they missed back then without the hassle of trying to buy it on the open market or have a TM holder in a different category purchase the domain first.

Just my opinion. I have no legal background and this info is for information purposes only.

Best of luck to all of you in your domaining.

C.T. Kirkpatrick
aka: think

localpub · 11-19-2006, 09:43 AM

I don't really think flowers.mobi is such good purchase as games.mobi, ringtones.mobi or anything else cellular-related could be. Of course, King knows better...

GoPC · 11-19-2006, 12:22 PM

This thread should be renamed....

Everyone's thoughts on Rick Schwartz's thoughts on .mobi.

For every second guessing buyer of a .mobi there is someone complaining that they didn't buy that dot common they considered all that time ago.

It's speculating.

Only time will tell.

GoPC

SiGuy · 11-19-2006, 01:32 PM

I got involved in early mobile WAP development back at the end of 1999! through the company I work for. The biggest problem back then was the amount of real estate you have to play with and the limitation of the standard phone keypad. This has been addressed to a certain amount these days with different phone form factors although is still an issue with the majority of hand sets.

I even speculated back then thinking that generic .coms prefixed with m could become valuable so bought around 10 or so. Recently sold one for $2000 and that was after owning it for nearly 6 years.

As already mentioned the key I think is that the .mobi extension gets used as default by the mobile phone operators around the world or .mobi has a massive marketing campaign to normal users so they are aware that they can type in the extension and get mobile content. Otherwise what stops someone offering: mobile.website.com for example for mobile users or even using the standard site which can detect a mobile user and either redirect or render from the standard URL.

I think as far as domain names go they have to be applicable to mobile phone users. I read a post about tusks.mobi not so long ago and that isn't really going to be worth much unless it is developed and turned into a brand.

If phone users are typing in domains using a standard phone keyboard then it makes sense to have short domain names and ones that can be easily typed in. E.g. a 3 letter domain that it is typed from the first character of different buttons and has good potential as a mobile service.

I've bought a 4 letter .mobi that can be keyed in with 4 button presses and is an English word and also some other mainstream generic variations.

I see Google, Microsoft, Vodafone and Yahoo have all got their .mobis registered and pointing at their mobile content which is good and hopefully more

I guess like all speculating the key is to only spend what you can afford to lose!

mejcdj · 11-19-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

" old timers " are thinking inside and outside the box ...
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we have been through or burnt by new.net, the first

idns attempt, the early .tv up and down ... remember

as long as .mobi is not exclusive it won't have the same

value ... flowers.com IS mobile if it wants to be ... why

waste $200,000.00 when a few dollars worth of code will

do the same thing ? Also why wait 2-10 years to get

a return on $200,000.00 when you could have bought

some other .mobis with the same amount and make an

immediate return like some folks on NP have done.

WOW what a flashback lol
I remember new.net and dot info and dot.. well all the dots lol. I also remember buying ♪.com from register.com yearssss ago for some ungodly amount of money lol.

I have to say, I am an old timer and I can't resist a gamble on anything related to domain names. I have been in the black

for a few years now and I have to say, nothing is as exciting to me when it comes to the internet and investing. Its always a gamble, no matter what you buy. When we can see names that make no sense at all sell for a few thousand more than you would ever consider, its in-your-face obvious that this market is impossible to understand some times.

You do what you want, buy what you want, leave what you want and be happy with it. Its fruitless for anyone to try to convince a person who is investing in something they believe in, not to bother.

I guess my point is... Do what you feel is comfortable to you, invest in what you want to invest in, but dont' try to over-analyze what other people are doing or thinking and don't try to talk them out of it. After all, you are obviously in the same market, you have made choices based on your own beliefs and ideas. Would you have let anyone talk you out of it? lol I am guessing the anser is a big fat 'NO'.

Regards,

Mejcdj

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-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,618	I want to clarify, I'm not anti-mobi. I'm anti-everything. Seriously though, I have registered 50+ .Mobi domains, so I hope it does well. But I am skeptical, and I am uncertain, and it is a high risk. __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

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luxinterior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kizmiaz Posts: 1,091	Think - I won't use the 'quote' function as your post was long but I just wanted to applaud you on one of the better posts/opinions I've seen on this forum. I'm referring to post #25. You are one of the few people that appears to be level headed and you have obviously formulated a business plan based on your sound research. As with every other .MOBI owner I sincerely hope that all the hype turns out to be true. Good luck and my fingers, toes, ears, nostril hairs and anything else I can think of to cross, are crossed for you! Peace Lux __________________ 1 Cent Web Hosting @ Online HostGatorVoucher.com Adsense Hack for Vbulletin - Fully 3.6 Compatible ForexArea.com Free E-Course in Programming EA's

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accent Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,295	When you are successful doing something - even something outside the box - you develop patterns of thought. Even creative domainers lose that edge - why would they need it when the check from the parking company comes every month? It also is true that the success of .MOBI would mean that this new market does not (as much) go toward their investments in .COM. Who knows how successful .MOBI will be. It is speculation, but also a rare opportunity to play for high stakes. __________________ Domains for sale For List Of Country Code Domains Jewelry of Tibet and Nepal TibetanJewelry.mobi Tibetan Symbols Om Pyramids Ancient Egyptian Secrets Ancient Mystery Eden Shakti

11-19-2006, 09:43 AM	#46 (permalink)
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11-03-2006, 05:21 PM	#36 (permalink)
oldtimer NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA Posts: 626	Those who have great keyword domains in other popular extensions perhaps can afford to remain indifferent to .mobi , but for many that have been bottom feeders in the domain pond this would be a great opportunity to elevate themselves to the big fish status, This is perhaps one of the only times that good keyword domains could be obtained with minimal investment, there might not be another opportunity like this for a long time to come. You don’t have to have hundreds of domains to be a big fish you just have to get a few good domains that have the potential to be developed in to popular and useful websites. I myself have been thinking about a domain that could be suitable for all things related to camping and campgrounds and finally came up with happycamper.mobi

11-04-2006, 10:27 AM	#38 (permalink)
duceman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indy Posts: 2,279	I'm surprised by the thinking of some of the "old timers". I mean they were the one's that saw the value of domains as an investment before most of the world even knew what the internet was. You would think that their ability to think outside the box and several years into the future, they would be willing to gamble a few bucks on Mobi. I'm not saying that Mobi will be what everyone hopes it will, but I'm willing to bet one nights worth of poker/blackjack/craps money on it.

11-17-2006, 07:38 AM	#43 (permalink)
nametrekker NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 248	You will see the "big guys" start making "mobi" moves soon -- I saw where Time magazine (you can see on the mobi site under Sunrise - sorry, I don't have the link) has filed several applications for Trademarked names on premium list -- while trying to register names, I kept coming across major players - Microsoft, Samsung, France Telecom, Motorola, Nokia, which had already submitted applications

11-19-2006, 12:22 PM	#47 (permalink)
GoPC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,633	This thread should be renamed.... Everyone's thoughts on Rick Schwartz's thoughts on .mobi. For every second guessing buyer of a .mobi there is someone complaining that they didn't buy that dot common they considered all that time ago. It's speculating. Only time will tell. GoPC __________________ Just wondering why folks tell you your domain isn't worth reg fee then pay SNAP $70 for your domain...

11-19-2006, 01:32 PM	#48 (permalink)
SiGuy NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 195	I got involved in early mobile WAP development back at the end of 1999! through the company I work for. The biggest problem back then was the amount of real estate you have to play with and the limitation of the standard phone keypad. This has been addressed to a certain amount these days with different phone form factors although is still an issue with the majority of hand sets. I even speculated back then thinking that generic .coms prefixed with m could become valuable so bought around 10 or so. Recently sold one for $2000 and that was after owning it for nearly 6 years. As already mentioned the key I think is that the .mobi extension gets used as default by the mobile phone operators around the world or .mobi has a massive marketing campaign to normal users so they are aware that they can type in the extension and get mobile content. Otherwise what stops someone offering: mobile.website.com for example for mobile users or even using the standard site which can detect a mobile user and either redirect or render from the standard URL. I think as far as domain names go they have to be applicable to mobile phone users. I read a post about tusks.mobi not so long ago and that isn't really going to be worth much unless it is developed and turned into a brand. If phone users are typing in domains using a standard phone keyboard then it makes sense to have short domain names and ones that can be easily typed in. E.g. a 3 letter domain that it is typed from the first character of different buttons and has good potential as a mobile service. I've bought a 4 letter .mobi that can be keyed in with 4 button presses and is an English word and also some other mainstream generic variations. I see Google, Microsoft, Vodafone and Yahoo have all got their .mobis registered and pointing at their mobile content which is good and hopefully more I guess like all speculating the key is to only spend what you can afford to lose!

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