To the Mobi Skeptics - Page 2

paxton · 11-02-2006, 10:57 PM

Hi, Think. Thanks for your thoughts on the issue. I suppose having Microsoft, Google, et. al. as early investors and adopters of the extension is a very strong factor. They definitely have the clout to encourage the industry to adopt .MOBI as the default platform for wireless internet.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/253655-to-the-mobi-skeptics.html

To me it still seems like a big hurdle to jump. It almost seems more realistic that they would fight to get their own .MOBI brands incorporated into the various mobile platforms - where they had partnerships/alliances with all the big players and networks. And other 3rd parties and big brands, like Rick Schwartz and flowers.mobi for example, could also negotiate strong partnerships for inclusion into this "inner circle."

There remains little incentive for mass inclusion. The owners/operators could still have a very strong "controlled" platform even if they sold off part of the pie to the big players.

Time will tell. But you did give me some more things to think about. Like I said before, I am intrigued by .MOBI and the potential that exists. I am rooting for its success as I am now invested in this segment of the market.

Like they always say: the greater the risk, the greater the potential reward. And there is definite risk with the .MOBI space, so possible fortunes to be made for those who get in early.

Regards.

Pax

hedgefund · 11-02-2006, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Carlton

If interested, Manhattan.mobi is up now.

To view in dotMobi emulator, click here

Very cool site, I love it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

HF

-db- · 11-02-2006, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Carlton

If interested, Manhattan.mobi is up now.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

To view in dotMobi emulator, click here

Carlton, a big congratulations on Manhattan.mobi and Tampa.mobi

No matter what one's feelings about .Mobi overall, there is no denying that city/state locations are one of the safest, most choice investments.

Awesome! I am really happy for you.

Carlton · 11-02-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by FathomJH

nice site

Originally Posted by hedgefund

Very cool site, I love it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655
HF

Thanks -

Originally Posted by -db-

Carlton, a big congratulations on Manhattan.mobi and Tampa.mobi

No matter what one's feelings about .Mobi overall, there is no denying that city/state locations are one of the safest, most choice innvestments.

Awesome!

Thanks -db-. Got fingers crossed for everyone's success with MOBI. Forum member Binfus and I went in on those.

nrec4mil · 11-03-2006, 12:00 AM

Being new to domaining I feel fortunate to have entered this world at a time where there is an entry-level investment opportunity. Investment being the key word here as a domainer... I've been doing investments for years and I am approaching this industry as I did with any other investment... don't put in more than you can afford to lose... yet consider that any risk you take will have to be equivalent to any gain you hope to make.

That being said, I think the possibilities of having a default of .mobi on cellphones & PDA's and the like, as well as having an easy distinguishing characteristic for typical internet users to distinguish for "small-screen friendly" (knowing .mobi sites will be optimal) gives this new tld a great potential future.

THAT being said, I still know better than to now think that EVERY .mobi name with the word FLOWERS in it is now worth $XXX,XXX!!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

Final say, so many valid comments posted in this thread for "skeptics" -- who are just being safe -- and only time will tell. So, if you have some extra cash, this is definitely one thing that seems a better than average bet... just bet with your head, not over it!

MinionDH · 11-03-2006, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Carlton

If interested, Manhattan.mobi is up now.

To view in dotMobi emulator, click here

Excellent name! Excellent site! One of my favorites the moment I saw it

duceman · 11-03-2006, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Carlton

If interested, Manhattan.mobi is up now.

To view in dotMobi emulator, click here

If Mobi takes off you'll be able to charge $#,### for ad space in a couple of years.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

I do have to say to those of you that think just because the large corp's are throwing money at Mobi that it will take off, hold your horses. You have to remember that the large corp's throw money at anything just to be sure that they can play if it takes off.

Erdy · 11-03-2006, 06:04 AM

I don't understand mobi names. I have to see a few big websites to start thinking it has any value at all.

In a scale where we consider .com's as parameter I would value TLD's as follows:

.com : 100
.net : 50
.org :25
.info : 15
.mobi :0

Falian · 11-03-2006, 06:24 AM

Im a skeptic too, i will agree that cell phones and surfing with them are becoming bigger and bigger, but im still skeptical if .mobi will really turn out to be the big stuff.

Manhantten.Mobi is a great example of how i think .mobi is going. I see cities /food/traffic sites doign good. But when data is that compressed i dont think stuff will get really popular until it can be made near .com quality, and when it is, why not go .com?

Genialnames · 11-03-2006, 06:47 AM

I wish to add to this discussion that it is not matter of to hate or to love .moby (or any other alternative extension) it is matter here to
give opinion from the point of view of the professionals in the Domain Name industry.

The general impression is it that the growth of the number of new extensions it have negative side effects against the consolidation of the existing market, that it is dominated by the .com / net /org and the nationals TDL .
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655
Someone suggest that a larger number of tlds it is equal to differentiation of the markets in the real economy, in my opinion it is not like that, it is much more like fractioning the existing market,and to opening the door to speculators: confusion never helped the clearness.

But probably I am going OT here : that's is matter for another more technical thread.

BTW it is not against those who hope to make money or those who believe that it is a good thing, it is against those who have the power to decide (to issue new tld) and they seems to do not consider at all the impact on the industry.

holyroller · 11-03-2006, 07:28 AM

The problem is when you get investment and speculation you run the risk of getting into a boom bust scenario. The prices may go sky high until the real value becomes apparent.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

If you are buying to develop a .mobi name then great - that is what it is there for. But if you are buying as speculation then you have to be aware that there will be winners and losers. You may get lucky or you may get stuck with an overpriced bunch of letters.

The real issue I have is that most mobile users dont know or care what .mobi is - many dont care about .com

I dont hate .mobi in fact it seems like a good idea, but one that could easily be ruined by people buying up names and not using them. How many of the current names that have been sold are being held for investment purposes.

MrPasha · 11-03-2006, 07:57 AM

Yeah,,, VERY nice.

I've seen a lot of clear thinking in this thread. Thanks to everyone's objectivity.

Zilla · 11-03-2006, 08:03 AM

I like .mo than .mobi

I decide using a .mo to develop a site can support mobile device..

Genialnames · 11-03-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

I like .mo than .mobi to develop a site can support mobile device.

Of course you can use what you like but, in your place, I would use the . mobi .

Giving to the people what they like it works generally better than giving them what it like to you. (marketing rule)

MinionDH · 11-03-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by holyroller

I dont hate .mobi in fact it seems like a good idea, but one that could easily be ruined by people buying up names and not using them. How many of the current names that have been sold are being held for investment purposes.

Very good point. I see hundreds of people registering and only a handful developing. This could very well lead to the downfall of .mobi
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

Check out the links below if you're interested in developing:

http://www.zinadoo.com/
http://www.mobisitegalore.com/
http://pc.mtld.mobi/community/content_devforum.html

hawkeye · 11-03-2006, 03:24 PM

I don't get all the "don't see no one developing their .mobi name" comments. The tld is just over 5 weeks old, and we are supposed to see all this instant development?? I wonder how many names are developed in the portfolios of most domainers, especially the skeptics. And those names have been around for years. "Give peace a chance" people! (.mobi too!)

Carlton · 11-22-2006, 08:29 AM

Let me apologize first for the self-promotion. I learned earlier today that Manhattan.mobi and Tampa.mobi made to the showcase page of the Mobi registry. Made me feel like the development efforts were worthwhile. Here's the showcase link if anyone's interested. Hoping to see more and more developed mobi sites. Thanks.

mjnels · 11-22-2006, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Carlton

Let me apologize first for the self-promotion. I learned earlier today that Manhattan.mobi and Tampa.mobi made to the showcase page of the Mobi registry. Made me feel like the development efforts were worthwhile. Here's the showcase link if anyone's interested. Hoping to see more and more developed mobi sites. Thanks.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655
i seen those the other day when i was looking around the dot-mobi site... congrats..very nice and simple, i like it

BocaVision · 11-22-2006, 10:02 AM

Well done, Carlton. You are a pioneer in this Mobile Web space. I wish you success with them.

willer009 · 11-23-2006, 11:25 AM

"Won't they though? What is the advantage for a company to create a .MOBI site rather then making their existing .COM detect and support mobile devices?"

We have seen many people asking this very same question. How many web sites have you seen so far supporting mobile devices?

I have seen 0. Maybe I have missed them, or?
This is a neverending question. How do with your mobile phone detect such web sites?

The basic idea behind .mobi is to help users to identify internet web sites that are specifically designed for viewing from a mobile device (e.g. mobile phone).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

Users will be able to browse a .mobi web site from their mobile device with the confidence that the content will load faster, be cheaper to download and optimized for mobile browsing. With .coms you can never guarantee that.

And one more thing. Industry estimates state that in 2008 there will be more users accessing the Internet with mobile phones than with PCs.

But the time will show us if it will succeed.

newton · 11-23-2006, 12:45 PM

Carlton .. kudos and very nice sites

willer009 .. There are developed sites out there just check out dir.mobi to see a list, there are tons on yahoo, even I have about 15 developed to date in my sig.

willer009 · 11-23-2006, 02:41 PM

Cool! So far the best .mobi I've seen.

Newton, sorry for being unclear, I meant .coms that are viewable from your mobile device.

AndyR · 11-24-2006, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Carlton

If interested, Manhattan.mobi is up now.

To view in dotMobi emulator, click here

I agree, very nice site and congratulations.

To also quote,

.mobi sites solve the biggest barriers to mobile Internet use:

* Poorly formatted pages
* Inappropriate or excessive content
* Slow access and long load times , leading to costly mobile bills
* Difficult logins
* Difficult navigation

The most important thing about mobi is the mobi standard. The sites will conform or be blocked after warnings. The user experience of mobi will be far greater than viewing cut down pages from browsers that run in Gb ram. We need to get sites such as Manhattan.mobi up and running. Informative, useful and importantly fast to load and view.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655

my 2p worth.

11-02-2006, 10:57 PM	#26 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	Hi, Think. Thanks for your thoughts on the issue. I suppose having Microsoft, Google, et. al. as early investors and adopters of the extension is a very strong factor. They definitely have the clout to encourage the industry to adopt .MOBI as the default platform for wireless internet. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/253655-to-the-mobi-skeptics.html To me it still seems like a big hurdle to jump. It almost seems more realistic that they would fight to get their own .MOBI brands incorporated into the various mobile platforms - where they had partnerships/alliances with all the big players and networks. And other 3rd parties and big brands, like Rick Schwartz and flowers.mobi for example, could also negotiate strong partnerships for inclusion into this "inner circle." There remains little incentive for mass inclusion. The owners/operators could still have a very strong "controlled" platform even if they sold off part of the pie to the big players. Time will tell. But you did give me some more things to think about. Like I said before, I am intrigued by .MOBI and the potential that exists. I am rooting for its success as I am now invested in this segment of the market. Like they always say: the greater the risk, the greater the potential reward. And there is definite risk with the .MOBI space, so possible fortunes to be made for those who get in early. Regards. Pax __________________ Get your own $8.95 eNom Reseller Account PM me for info/questions!!!

11-03-2006, 12:00 AM	#30 (permalink)
nrec4mil New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: U.S. Posts: 21	Being new to domaining I feel fortunate to have entered this world at a time where there is an entry-level investment opportunity. Investment being the key word here as a domainer... I've been doing investments for years and I am approaching this industry as I did with any other investment... don't put in more than you can afford to lose... yet consider that any risk you take will have to be equivalent to any gain you hope to make. That being said, I think the possibilities of having a default of .mobi on cellphones & PDA's and the like, as well as having an easy distinguishing characteristic for typical internet users to distinguish for "small-screen friendly" (knowing .mobi sites will be optimal) gives this new tld a great potential future. THAT being said, I still know better than to now think that EVERY .mobi name with the word FLOWERS in it is now worth $XXX,XXX!! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655 Final say, so many valid comments posted in this thread for "skeptics" -- who are just being safe -- and only time will tell. So, if you have some extra cash, this is definitely one thing that seems a better than average bet... just bet with your head, not over it! __________________ Grab.us, Nevada.info, Ann.mobi, Steve.mobi

11-03-2006, 06:24 AM	#34 (permalink)
Falian NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 300	Im a skeptic too, i will agree that cell phones and surfing with them are becoming bigger and bigger, but im still skeptical if .mobi will really turn out to be the big stuff. Manhantten.Mobi is a great example of how i think .mobi is going. I see cities /food/traffic sites doign good. But when data is that compressed i dont think stuff will get really popular until it can be made near .com quality, and when it is, why not go .com? __________________ Xenf.com -Gain Ranking, Traffic & Profit By Purchasing 5,000 Premium Links

11-03-2006, 06:47 AM	#35 (permalink)
Genialnames NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 794	I wish to add to this discussion that it is not matter of to hate or to love .moby (or any other alternative extension) it is matter here to give opinion from the point of view of the professionals in the Domain Name industry. The general impression is it that the growth of the number of new extensions it have negative side effects against the consolidation of the existing market, that it is dominated by the .com / net /org and the nationals TDL . ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655 Someone suggest that a larger number of tlds it is equal to differentiation of the markets in the real economy, in my opinion it is not like that, it is much more like fractioning the existing market,and to opening the door to speculators: confusion never helped the clearness. But probably I am going OT here : that's is matter for another more technical thread. BTW it is not against those who hope to make money or those who believe that it is a good thing, it is against those who have the power to decide (to issue new tld) and they seems to do not consider at all the impact on the industry. __________________ www.genialnames.com Mostly developable Domain Names...because the name says it all! Olympionic.com it's mine, it could be your! Last edited by Genialnames; 11-03-2006 at 06:52 AM.

11-03-2006, 08:03 AM	#38 (permalink)
Zilla NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: HTML and CSS Posts: 680	I like .mo than .mobi I decide using a .mo to develop a site can support mobile device.. __________________ 1: as domainer, you'd better keep your portfolio lean 2: as designer, you should learn HTML and CSS first, then MySQL and PHP 3: as site owner, you better understand more regard Domain and Host before live on web.

11-03-2006, 06:04 AM	#33 (permalink)
Erdy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,922	I don't understand mobi names. I have to see a few big websites to start thinking it has any value at all. In a scale where we consider .com's as parameter I would value TLD's as follows: .com : 100 .net : 50 .org :25 .info : 15 .mobi :0

11-03-2006, 07:28 AM	#36 (permalink)
holyroller Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,448 Follow @toxicchili	The problem is when you get investment and speculation you run the risk of getting into a boom bust scenario. The prices may go sky high until the real value becomes apparent. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655 If you are buying to develop a .mobi name then great - that is what it is there for. But if you are buying as speculation then you have to be aware that there will be winners and losers. You may get lucky or you may get stuck with an overpriced bunch of letters. The real issue I have is that most mobile users dont know or care what .mobi is - many dont care about .com I dont hate .mobi in fact it seems like a good idea, but one that could easily be ruined by people buying up names and not using them. How many of the current names that have been sold are being held for investment purposes.

11-03-2006, 07:57 AM	#37 (permalink)
MrPasha NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 57	Yeah,,, VERY nice. I've seen a lot of clear thinking in this thread. Thanks to everyone's objectivity.

11-03-2006, 03:24 PM	#41 (permalink)
hawkeye Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,570	I don't get all the "don't see no one developing their .mobi name" comments. The tld is just over 5 weeks old, and we are supposed to see all this instant development?? I wonder how many names are developed in the portfolios of most domainers, especially the skeptics. And those names have been around for years. "Give peace a chance" people! (.mobi too!) __________________ FixedPriceDomains.com "Dream, Believe, Achieve!" Last edited by hawkeye; 11-03-2006 at 04:38 PM.

11-22-2006, 08:29 AM	#42 (permalink)
Carlton Internet Real Estate Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,198	Let me apologize first for the self-promotion. I learned earlier today that Manhattan.mobi and Tampa.mobi made to the showcase page of the Mobi registry. Made me feel like the development efforts were worthwhile. Here's the showcase link if anyone's interested. Hoping to see more and more developed mobi sites. Thanks. __________________ PremiumDomains.biz -> BLOG \| Charlotte.US \| Manhattan.mobi \| NewYorkCity.biz \| Detroit.US \| Miami.biz \| NorthCarolina.info \| California.biz

11-22-2006, 10:02 AM	#44 (permalink)
BocaVision NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Palm Beach Posts: 574	Well done, Carlton. You are a pioneer in this Mobile Web space. I wish you success with them.

11-23-2006, 11:25 AM	#45 (permalink)
willer009 NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 374	"Won't they though? What is the advantage for a company to create a .MOBI site rather then making their existing .COM detect and support mobile devices?" We have seen many people asking this very same question. How many web sites have you seen so far supporting mobile devices? I have seen 0. Maybe I have missed them, or? This is a neverending question. How do with your mobile phone detect such web sites? The basic idea behind .mobi is to help users to identify internet web sites that are specifically designed for viewing from a mobile device (e.g. mobile phone). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=253655 Users will be able to browse a .mobi web site from their mobile device with the confidence that the content will load faster, be cheaper to download and optimized for mobile browsing. With .coms you can never guarantee that. And one more thing. Industry estimates state that in 2008 there will be more users accessing the Internet with mobile phones than with PCs. But the time will show us if it will succeed.

11-23-2006, 12:45 PM	#46 (permalink)
newton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Everywhere Posts: 1,433	Carlton .. kudos and very nice sites willer009 .. There are developed sites out there just check out dir.mobi to see a list, there are tons on yahoo, even I have about 15 developed to date in my sig. __________________ The speed of light is faster than sound that's why some people appear bright until they open their mouths

11-23-2006, 02:41 PM	#47 (permalink)
willer009 NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 374	Cool! So far the best .mobi I've seen. Newton, sorry for being unclear, I meant .coms that are viewable from your mobile device.

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