Why do all deleting .info domains end up with one company? - Page 2

jimberan · 09-23-2006, 08:54 AM

The Icann regulations also state that registars have to release domains for deletion after a period incase the holder doesnt renew. However there are many domains which have been mentioned in previous threads that remain in hands of the registars and simply have paid ads on them. If you look on the Icann site, Icann admits that they have problems enforcing their own regulations in regards to matters like this. This sounds to me that there is in fact no official body which is able to control and regulate the actions of the registrars.

So what then? Well who appointed Icann to be in charge in the first place. I believe its the US government so isnt this a matter that should be brought to attention to the appropiate government department. They should either remove Icann if they dont do their job properly or they should give Icann more powers in regards to them being able to penalize registrars. It seems however that there is a dire need for possibly a government agency that reviews and instructs Icann or the registrars. There simply is either a lot of corruption going on or just simply a complete mismanagement of the domain system that is in place.

Carlton · 09-23-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by jimberan

... It seems however that there is a dire need for possibly a government agency that reviews and instructs Icann or the registrars. There simply is either a lot of corruption going on or just simply a complete mismanagement of the domain system that is in place.

I just listened to the congressional hearing which occurred this week in which the Dept. of Commerce is reviewing whether to renew their contract with ICANN as overseer of the internet/DNS. I'm going to post an audio link to it shortly. It was a fascinating discussion that, in my opinion, illustrated the unholy alliance that has evolved betwen ICANN and Versign. All of the right questions were asked which exposed the shocking self-interest of Verisign supported and promoted by ICANN who both aim to increase their respective revenues by increasing domain fees to all .com registrants. It's an education worth getting by listening to this hearing.

A huge issue hit on repeatedly was ICANN making "behind closed doors" decisions with no tranparency or accountability for their process. They got their butts spanked in the hearing and were put on the spot to justify WHY the proposed .com contract with Verisign called for up to 7% .com fee increases each year ... when the .net contracts rebid last year (with a different company) REDUCED the yearly fee from $6.00/yr to only $3.50. Verisign and Twomey (of ICANN) were doing the lido shuffle trying to explain the unexplainable. Humorous, amusing, and sickening at the same time. I have a feeling that ICANN are about to enter a phase in which the public are going to shine a million-watt light beam up ICANN's as*, and going to expose any hint of corruption, impropriety, or secret alliances formed with monopoly companies like Verisign.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-info/240045-why-do-all-deleting-info-domains.html

By extension, the cheating drop-catch registrars are going to receive their fair share of scrutiny as ICANN will no longer be able to look the other way without completely losing credibility. The same registrars siphoning off top names for warehousing have also been engaging in domain kiting and that's about to hit the fan as well.

Congressional hearing on ICANN's role in overseeing the Internet/DNS. And various concerns about their accountability and decisions.

SPECIAL NOTE: This is a RealAudio link and the audio is: 1 Hour 39 minutes in length, but does not actually begin until the first 15 minutes have passed. So you must fast forward to the 15 mintues mark at which time the hearing commences ...

rtsp://video.webcastcenter.com/srs_g2/commerce092006.rm

Ronald Regging · 09-23-2006, 08:05 PM

The problem with a US governmental agency imposing regulation over ICANN is that the rest of the world is up in arms as to the legitimacy of the US maintaining control over the entire Internet. In fact, many countries have dropped out of ICANN for this exact reason. The US is trying to play as little a role in the governance of ICANN as possible in order to appease International relations. In fact, theres been talk of ICANN becoming a completely independent entity and they have convinced some countries to join them or come back based on this prevailing notion. Don't be fooled though, the US government still maintains the root files and they always will, whether ICANN gains autonomy or not. The US government is not one to hand over power, willingly or otherwise, they are just in the business of false appearances. Maintaining the root files gives them extreme power, because at their discretion they could topple the economies or communications of entire nations, which makes for one hell of an Information Warfare weapon.
The best thing they could do in their eyes would be to grant ICANN sovereignty and hope every country in the world joins the new, independent ICANN thinking that the US government has no involvement. At least that's what I'd do

Maybe it all sounds like a conspiracy theory, but if you truly know the power that lies behind the root files it makes complete sense.

Whether you believe all that or not, know that ICANN is basically a sham of an organization that really does nothing to govern or regulate any policies that it has enacted. They get together and talk alot but thats about it.

gmac17 · 09-23-2006, 08:07 PM

keep the pressure up guys. Another way to make some noise is to remove your names from enom. It would take a lot of us to get them to notice, I'm pretty sure they would prefer to have sarasota.info over my 400 names anyway, but if there were 50 people like me it could make a difference.

msfedxx · 09-23-2006, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by gmac17

keep the pressure up guys. Another way to make some noise is to remove your names from enom. It would take a lot of us to get them to notice, I'm pretty sure they would prefer to have sarasota.info over my 400 names anyway, but if there were 50 people like me it could make a difference.

I agree , remove names

-OutlawBiker- · 09-24-2006, 01:50 AM

ICANNT is a "non-profit" company with a budget this year of $33 million. Can anyone get some info as to who that money gets paid to?

ICANNT "profits" via an increasing 25 cent fee on new regs and so have an "interest" in seeing large reg tasting (kiting) and domain warehousing (as above by Enom and many others) continue.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=240045

ICANNT "profits" via meaningless accredation and gTLD applications etc. having never withdrawn a single accredation no matter the actions of corrupt registrars.

ICANNT does nothing to create or enforce policy when it comes to rogue registrars.

ICANNT does NOT even follow it's own mission statement or bylaws, under which it was established. Their goals now are pure unrestricted power with no responsibilty and no answer to anyone but themselves, privately and behind closed doors. That's why their big push to become a "private" organization and released by the US DoC.

fonzie_007 · 03-06-2007, 04:46 PM

I too have lost out to PocketDomains. Has anyone done more digging on the relationship between PocketDomains and Enom? I'd be interested knowing more about it. Something certainly seems questionable about this type of activity.

BTW, try running a scan of LLL.us domains--enom has lots of them.

YesBrilliant · 03-11-2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by gmac17

keep the pressure up guys. Another way to make some noise is to remove your names from enom. It would take a lot of us to get them to notice, I'm pretty sure they would prefer to have sarasota.info over my 400 names anyway, but if there were 50 people like me it could make a difference.

Count on me as well.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=240045
Any innitiative from our side to deter this kind of "Inside Trading" is highly appropriate.

Comparatively, what Enom is doing (and maybe others that haven't come to the eye of the public yet) would NEVER be accepted in Wall Street, for example.

Lasher · 03-11-2007, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

More interesting still... eNom doesn't even offer .INFO with their public drop service.

Careful throwing around Enom this Enom that guys without facts - Enom may have no idea what their sibling companies are up to. For what it's worth, I've seen many LLL.info domains actually registered at Enom drop via their 'pre-release auctions' ... if everything written here were true they'd be just packaging them off to PocketDomains.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=240045

Don't get me wrong, I agree this is a big problem, but not sure Enom are as deep in it as this thread would imply.

stub · 03-11-2007, 02:02 PM

I'd be interested in seeing the link established between eNom and PocketDomains. I can't see it from the public whois records.

Anybody who thinks ICANN will do ANYTHING, is living in lala land.

Lasher · 03-11-2007, 02:10 PM

Well I have a hard time crying too loudly when if I could do what PocketDomains are doing, I would.

kleszcz · 03-16-2007, 03:18 AM

Possibly Ignitela LLC and PocketDomain are same company? They are both ICANN accredited registrars.

creekway · 03-16-2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Lasher

Well I have a hard time crying too loudly when if I could do what PocketDomains are doing, I would.

I agree, I would love to have their system. However, the sad thing is that this has been going on for at least a year and Snapnames and Pool seem unable or uninterested in creating a system to compete with these guys.

cursal · 03-22-2007, 12:34 AM

still watching this thread...

and the .info is still being "horded" by one company or person(s)

Make you wonder what is being planned for that extension

kleszcz · 05-04-2007, 08:47 PM

any latest news about this?

cursal · 05-06-2007, 12:24 AM

haven't seen the trend continue.

Anybody else know more?

Estrange · 05-25-2007, 06:56 PM

This issue has been discussed on another forum and it's been resolved somehow.

http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.ph...domains&page=1

fonzie_007 · 05-25-2007, 07:09 PM

Have we heard any confirmation that Namedrive is actually the owners of PocketDomains?

cache · 05-25-2007, 07:53 PM

interesting info. Specifically what kind of system are they using?

09-24-2006, 01:50 AM	#31 (permalink)
-OutlawBiker- Name Cartels - Mr PINK Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dartmouth Posts: 509	ICANNT is a "non-profit" company with a budget this year of $33 million. Can anyone get some info as to who that money gets paid to? ICANNT "profits" via an increasing 25 cent fee on new regs and so have an "interest" in seeing large reg tasting (kiting) and domain warehousing (as above by Enom and many others) continue. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=240045 ICANNT "profits" via meaningless accredation and gTLD applications etc. having never withdrawn a single accredation no matter the actions of corrupt registrars. ICANNT does nothing to create or enforce policy when it comes to rogue registrars. ICANNT does NOT even follow it's own mission statement or bylaws, under which it was established. Their goals now are pure unrestricted power with no responsibilty and no answer to anyone but themselves, privately and behind closed doors. That's why their big push to become a "private" organization and released by the US DoC. Last edited by -OutlawBiker-; 09-24-2006 at 02:04 AM.

03-06-2007, 04:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
fonzie_007 NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: LLL.us City Posts: 6,328	I too have lost out to PocketDomains. Has anyone done more digging on the relationship between PocketDomains and Enom? I'd be interested knowing more about it. Something certainly seems questionable about this type of activity. BTW, try running a scan of LLL.us domains--enom has lots of them. __________________ Feeling achy? · ACL Injury Information · Indian Recipes

03-16-2007, 03:18 AM	#37 (permalink)
kleszcz Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,609 Follow @cvul	Possibly Ignitela LLC and PocketDomain are same company? They are both ICANN accredited registrars. __________________ juegosjuegos Your Hotel in Austria Matratzen Domain Acquisition \| Store all your favorite links! \| Web Proxies Proxy List \| Bookmarks \| Creative Enquiry \| Web Proxy List

03-22-2007, 12:34 AM	#39 (permalink)
cursal NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: USA Posts: 97	still watching this thread... and the .info is still being "horded" by one company or person(s) Make you wonder what is being planned for that extension __________________ [SIZE=2]*PPC Domaining- Reviews, Affiliate Programs, Web Tools Banners \| Web Design \| Page Elements \| Custom Work

05-04-2007, 08:47 PM	#40 (permalink)
kleszcz Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,609 Follow @cvul	any latest news about this? __________________ juegosjuegos Your Hotel in Austria Matratzen Domain Acquisition \| Store all your favorite links! \| Web Proxies Proxy List \| Bookmarks \| Creative Enquiry \| Web Proxy List

09-23-2006, 08:54 AM	THREAD STARTER #26 (permalink)
jimberan New User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 83	The Icann regulations also state that registars have to release domains for deletion after a period incase the holder doesnt renew. However there are many domains which have been mentioned in previous threads that remain in hands of the registars and simply have paid ads on them. If you look on the Icann site, Icann admits that they have problems enforcing their own regulations in regards to matters like this. This sounds to me that there is in fact no official body which is able to control and regulate the actions of the registrars. So what then? Well who appointed Icann to be in charge in the first place. I believe its the US government so isnt this a matter that should be brought to attention to the appropiate government department. They should either remove Icann if they dont do their job properly or they should give Icann more powers in regards to them being able to penalize registrars. It seems however that there is a dire need for possibly a government agency that reviews and instructs Icann or the registrars. There simply is either a lot of corruption going on or just simply a complete mismanagement of the domain system that is in place.

09-23-2006, 08:05 PM	#28 (permalink)
Ronald Regging Ex-President Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mount Joy, PA Posts: 2,643	The problem with a US governmental agency imposing regulation over ICANN is that the rest of the world is up in arms as to the legitimacy of the US maintaining control over the entire Internet. In fact, many countries have dropped out of ICANN for this exact reason. The US is trying to play as little a role in the governance of ICANN as possible in order to appease International relations. In fact, theres been talk of ICANN becoming a completely independent entity and they have convinced some countries to join them or come back based on this prevailing notion. Don't be fooled though, the US government still maintains the root files and they always will, whether ICANN gains autonomy or not. The US government is not one to hand over power, willingly or otherwise, they are just in the business of false appearances. Maintaining the root files gives them extreme power, because at their discretion they could topple the economies or communications of entire nations, which makes for one hell of an Information Warfare weapon. The best thing they could do in their eyes would be to grant ICANN sovereignty and hope every country in the world joins the new, independent ICANN thinking that the US government has no involvement. At least that's what I'd do Maybe it all sounds like a conspiracy theory, but if you truly know the power that lies behind the root files it makes complete sense. Whether you believe all that or not, know that ICANN is basically a sham of an organization that really does nothing to govern or regulate any policies that it has enacted. They get together and talk alot but thats about it.

09-23-2006, 08:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
gmac17 NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 73	keep the pressure up guys. Another way to make some noise is to remove your names from enom. It would take a lot of us to get them to notice, I'm pretty sure they would prefer to have sarasota.info over my 400 names anyway, but if there were 50 people like me it could make a difference.

03-11-2007, 02:02 PM	#35 (permalink)
stub NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,306	I'd be interested in seeing the link established between eNom and PocketDomains. I can't see it from the public whois records. Anybody who thinks ICANN will do ANYTHING, is living in lala land.

03-11-2007, 02:10 PM	#36 (permalink)
Lasher Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,223	Well I have a hard time crying too loudly when if I could do what PocketDomains are doing, I would.

05-06-2007, 12:24 AM	#41 (permalink)
cursal NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: USA Posts: 97	haven't seen the trend continue. Anybody else know more? __________________ [SIZE=2]*PPC Domaining- Reviews, Affiliate Programs, Web Tools Banners \| Web Design \| Page Elements \| Custom Work

05-25-2007, 06:56 PM	#42 (permalink)
Estrange NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Istanbul Posts: 369	This issue has been discussed on another forum and it's been resolved somehow. http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.ph...domains&page=1

05-25-2007, 07:09 PM	#43 (permalink)
fonzie_007 NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: LLL.us City Posts: 6,328	Have we heard any confirmation that Namedrive is actually the owners of PocketDomains? __________________ Feeling achy? · ACL Injury Information · Indian Recipes

05-25-2007, 07:53 PM	#44 (permalink)
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