.mobi Traffic Mobi Dev Stipulations Are On

DomainMayhem.com said:

This is actually false. Development increases value, but if a good name is not developed, it doesn't mean that there isn't inherent worth there anyway.

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Agreed ... development, particulary with .MOBI's of unique and compelling content for mobile users, can increase value IMHO. :gl:
"Good / very good / excellent" .MOBI's can certainly be worth more than Reg. fee, Reg. fee+, even $Xx and $Xxx+ ... if they have perceived "keyword" value, or easy memorability/"keyword"/branding/traffic/development/etc. potential - Loans.mobi would be a great example! :music: :imho:

More often than not, though ... myself included ... the .MOBI domains that are posted here for undeveloped Wholesale "Quick Sale" appraisals are of the general $0.00 - Reg. fee+/- (undeveloped) category, IMHO. I haven't seen many examples of these where I and others have way off appraisal-wise, humbly.
Chat soon.
-Jeff

so, development can increase value, ahhh, got it. If a reseller wants to appraise a name in a market in its infancy, how does that statement help them?

I'm quite surprised that you haven't said you're proud of the mtld scrapping the full blown RFD policy on these names! You were generally quite troubled that the names were providing no help to the community when they were shelved and also seemed distressed about the fact that good solid proposals were probably getting shot down. Why is it now a bad thing that the mtld is going in a new direction to get the names in the hands of some owners and use the money to better market mobi

(they have said this and that they are a private corporation that needs to be paid, so hopefully there is some balance..also it would seem that if they use money to promote the extension then their other names will be driven up and they will get much more renewals and regs and that investing the money would be worth it)

Given the availability of free mobile content tools like.... site.mobi that dotMobi has built

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cough. splutter. they expect me to type my hosting ftp details into a web form?
am I paranoid for abandoning the process at that point?

why not just send me a .zip?

I don't see the mtld restrictions as unreasonable at all. It's really not that big a deal to get some development going - particularly on some of these domains which are obviously of high quality. They will not go cheap. If you can afford to win a name through high bid, then you can pay for some development. Just not a big deal imo. People need to be focusing on the opportunity at hand ... the positives.

PVFARKAS said:

Why is it now a bad thing that the mtld is going in a new direction to get the names in the hands of some owners and use the money to better market mobi (they have said this and that they are a private corporation that needs to be paid, so hopefully there is some balance..)

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Some owners? :blink:
Let's just call them what they'll be ... Usual Suspects™, IMHO. :yell:

I definitely agree that mTLD will certainly be making money on these auctions ... which is a reversal from their promised RFP's and RFP process when they first came out, IMHO.
Of course, in my view ... all of this does not bode well for the developed "ecosystem" (as the RFP's and RFP process was instituted early on to ensure)!
Just my two sense, thanks for asking ... and let's compare notes at the conclusion of the auctions! :talk:
-Jeff

Should be an interesting TRAFFIC auction this time around. Scores.mobi is back on the list with a much,much lower reserve so there will be no monkey business at TRAFFIC East.

Now I need MobiMaven to contact every sports-related online property in North America to let them know!

Carlton said:

I don't see the mtld restrictions as unreasonable at all. It's really not that big a deal to get some development going - particularly on some of these domains which are obviously of high quality. They will not go cheap. If you can afford to win a name through high bid, then you can pay for some development. Just not a big deal imo. People need to be focusing on the opportunity at hand ... the positives.

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:bingo: Right on the money.

Jeff said:

Some owners? :blink:
Let's just call them what they'll be ... Usual Suspects™, IMHO. :yell:

I definitely agree that mTLD will certainly be making money on these auctions ... which is a reversal from their promised RFP's and RFP process when they first came out, IMHO.
Of course, in my view ... all of this does not bode well for the developed "ecosystem" (as the RFP's and RFP process was instituted early on to ensure)!
Just my two sense, thanks for asking ... and let's compare notes at the conclusion of the auctions! :talk:
-Jeff

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1. Why do you loathe domainers so? ("usual suspects" here is a derogatory term)
2. Making money on names was part of the RFP process too - they were NOT FREE.
3. Almost nothing bodes well for .mobi if one's mind's gear is STUCK on the shmecosystem term.
4. The RFP process was just ONE of MANY different outlets for the names from the beginning.
5. Smart businesses adjust, adapt, and move forward.
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acc said:

1. Why do you loathe domainers so? ("usual suspects" here is a derogatory term)
2. Making money on names was part of the RFP process too - they were NOT FREE.
3. Almost nothing bodes well for .mobi if one's mind's gear is STUCK on the shmecosystem term.
4. The RFP process was just ONE of MANY different outlets for the names from the beginning.
5. Smart businesses adjust, adapt, and move forward.

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Who ever in the world said that I loathe domainers?
I love domainers ... but in the context of a fully developed .MOBI "ecosystem" ... Usual Suspects™ provide very little opportunity for its growth and promotion, IMHO.
Will mTLD make more with these auctions ... or the RFP process? Think about it.
The "ecosystem" is PARAMOUNT ... its nurturing and development should be Priority #1 of mTLD, and sadly it is not at all, in my view!
Lastly, and most obviously, you're making excuses for mTLD ... and that is not a very positive trait, friend.

-Jeff

Jeff said:

Who ever in the world said that I loathe domainers?
I love domainers ... but in the context of a fully developed .MOBI "ecosystem" ... Usual Suspects™ provide very little opportunity for its growth and promotion, IMHO.
Will mTLD make more with these auctions ... or the RFP process? Think about it.
The "ecosystem" is PARAMOUNT ... its nurturing and development should be Priority #1 of mTLD, and sadly it is not at all, in my view!
Lastly, and most obviously, you're making excuses for mTLD ... and that is not a very positive trait, friend.

-Jeff

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Jeff, how come you don't post your same tired eco-shmeco-system theories (or 'rantings'), in the .tv or .us forums?? Aren't they also in need of hearing the same tired babbling as the mobiers are subjected too?? Couldn't they also use some 'criticizings', 'shmeco speeches', and 'ragging ons' on their extensions, and also be pointed to 'the way' for them to be successful too?? I bet they are longing for some postings from you there!!

hawkeye said:

Jeff, how come you don't post your same tired eco-shmeco-system theories (or 'rantings'), in the .tv or .us forums??

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:hi:

You must be new ... the term "ecosystem" was never ever used by the higher-up's at the respective Registries for either .TV or .US (or for any other extension, for that matter), but it WAS used - as well as its relaying its importance in the early stages to all of us that were present - for the .MOBI extension! :yell:

Thank you for understanding, friend.
-Jeff

Jeff said:

:hi:

You must be new ... the term "ecosystem" was never ever used by the higher-up's at the respective Registries for either .TV or .US (or for any other extension, for that matter), but it WAS used - as well as its relaying its importance in the early stages to all of us that were present - for the .MOBI extension! :yell:

Thank you for understanding, friend.
-Jeff

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Name one .mobi investor in this forum who uses that word besides you...

None...

Jeff said:

... the term "ecosystem"

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...Ooohh, is that how you say it!?!! What does it mean, and why can it not be applied to the other extensions?? Do they not need to be eco'd too???

(..and don't I remember a post somewhere with your name attached to it, that 'you would' refrain from it's consistant usage of, as you have been begged with to do so?? Let's go thru this post and see if it has been used more than 50 times!!)

seanboy said:

Name one .mobi investor in this forum who uses that word besides you...

None...

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Since he owns (and presumably invests in) Pinky.mobi, Mr. Pinky! :imho:
Link: http://www.pinky.mobi

... perhaps you missed the (sole) November '06 visit (the one where he used the specific term, "ecosystem")?

hawkeye said:

(..and don't I remember a post somewhere with your name attached to it, that 'you would' refrain from it's consistant usage of, as you have been begged with to do so?? Let's go thru this post and see if it has been used more than 50 times!!)

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Huh? :blink:
See you after the Sedo auctions, friend! :talk:
-Jeff

no one can breathe in the NP ecosystem with the O2 smothered out, friend.

Except when he used it, he wasn't doing it to mock everyone here, like you do.

Jeff said:

Who ever in the world said that I loathe domainers?
I love domainers ... but in the context of a fully developed .MOBI "ecosystem" ... Usual Suspects™ provide very little opportunity for its growth and promotion, IMHO.
Will mTLD make more with these auctions ... or the RFP process? Think about it.
The "ecosystem" is PARAMOUNT ... its nurturing and development should be Priority #1 of mTLD, and sadly it is not at all, in my view!
Lastly, and most obviously, you're making excuses for mTLD ... and that is not a very positive trait, friend.

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Constantly deriding fellow domainers as "Usual Suspects(insert inane copyright symbol here)" because they step up to the plate, take an educated risk, and spend their own money to pay for good names (.mobi in this case), so that THEY can then DECIDE to either resell or hold or develop according to their own plans and schedules - is either jealousy, loathing, or a lack of understanding - take your pick. IMHO.

OF COURSE auctions will bring in more money than RFPs in their original format. Just because some of us don't state the obvious in every post does not mean we don't understand that point. I was alluding to your past inaccurate postings saying .mobis (via RFPs, city name applications, etc.) were being givern away "free", etc. (BTW, that type of deliberate misleading and then feigning no knowledge of the real facts (and usually never replying to the corrections) is what gets my goat.)

mTLD's priority #1, #2, #3, #etc are and have been being acted upon by them. For someone to still not understand that after so much has happened is what is sad. I trust mTLD's opinion of what they think that their #1 priority should be more than ... well someone else's view.

SOME just refuse to give credit where credit is due. No other registry has introduced, marketed, developed, promoted, provided developer tools, etc as mTLD. Is every single move they make or do not make perfect? Of course not. I am not making excuses - just taking my turn to state something obvious because it seems that SOME just don't get it and probably never will. If we come back in a few years and there a couple million names regged, hundreds of thousands of live sites, and a few hundred premium names still held or in the hands of "Usual Suspects", and I bet someone will still be worried about the "shmecosytsem".

Lastly and most obviously, I believe in, have invested in, deal in, am developing in, and vigorously support .mobi.
Those are VERY positive actions and traits, friend

On the other hand, constantly worrying, looking for dark clouds in every silver lining, and sittring on the sidelines and not taking positive actions until everything is already proven are not being positive or proactive, friend.

Best of luck to ALL who will be bidding.
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