Are you in Danger of losing your Generic .IN Domains?

a2zofb2b · Dec 7, 2006

Based on the discussion in the thread
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name...-mostly-now-owned.html?highlight=indiaportals

I contacted Chris about his Business.in & Web.in domain names.
Aparetntly, he and his friend Daniel (owner of Jobs.in) has lost many of their generic domains in the Domain Dispute Resolution.

Here is the list of generic names lost in INDRP Dispute Decisions
jobs.in
web.in
business.in
internet.in
isp.in
computer.in
hotels.in

In the JOBS.IN Case the Complainant (Jagdish Purohit of Indiapress.org) Claims that he holds Trademark for “Jobs” and has applied for Service mark due to his usage of subdomain name Jobs.in.Indiapress.org

In the HOTELS.IN Case the complainant (DirectI Parent company of Skenzo.com the Paid Parking program) claims Hotels.in has been monitorzing using parked program and that they have right to the name because they have HOTEL.IN.DirectI.com subdomain and Hotel.IN
Its like the pot calling the kettle black and winning the case.

The entire list of domains lost in dispute can be seen here
http://www.inregistry.in/policies/dispute_resolution/dispute_decisions/
Most are genuine, but I do not agree with the resolution of generic domain names.

My advise to fellow domainers is, if you hold a premium keyword generic name, as a 1st step remove the "For Sale" posting immediatly.

wot · Dec 8, 2006

-db- said:
I wrote to eNom Traffic inquiring about purchasing one of the .IN's that I hold the .Co.in for, and I got a friendly reply saying the name was not for sale. I wrote back saying my budget was "healthy", and got no further reply.

I suppose we should be flattered that eNom wants a piece of the Indian pie too.

:gl:

Not healthy enough for them :?

mallikrao79 said:
http://www.foodguideindia.com/profile.php/pjagdish/

A finger in the pie :D

-db- · Dec 8, 2006

wot said:
Not healthy enough for them :?

A finger in the pie :D

Yep, lol.

I sure wish I could tell if they are getting any traffic on those IN's, and how much.

ekal · Dec 15, 2006

I ran a check today and business.in came up with the following whois.

Confiscation by the registrar complete:

Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT HOLD
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:INACTIVE
Registrant ID:R-R04123027459
Registrant Name:National Internet Exchange of India
Registrant Street1:Registered Office
Registrant City:New Delhi
Registrant State/Province:Delhi
Registrant Postal Code:110019
Registrant Country:IN
Registrant Phone:+91.1124361609
Registrant Email:[email protected]
Admin ID:R-R04123027459
Admin Name:National Internet Exchange of India
Admin Street1:Registered Office
Admin City:New Delhi
Admin State/Province:Delhi
Admin Postal Code:110019
Admin Country:IN
Admin Phone:+91.1124361609
Admin Email:[email protected]
Tech ID:R-R04123027459
Tech Name:National Internet Exchange of India
Tech Street1:Registered Office
Tech City:New Delhi
Tech State/Province:Delhi
Tech Postal Code:110019

a2zofb2b · Dec 15, 2006

ekal,

As indicated in INDRP case
Business.IN (I verified it with Chris, INDRP Points wrong Case),
Internet.IN and
ISP.IN were Confiscated

-db- · Dec 15, 2006

a2zofb2b said:
My advise to fellow domainers is, if you hold a premium keyword generic name, as a 1st step remove the "For Sale" posting immediatly.

I haven't had time to look into this very deeply, but I'm concerned. I have a lot of generic Indian domains, and most of them are parked (and listed for sale) at SEDO.

Are you guys pulling your names?

ekal · Dec 15, 2006

Good question - I took down my portfolio site for a while but reasoned that the chances of a sale outweighed the possibility of losing one or two through disputes.

I'm also developing like mad.

Mike · Dec 15, 2006

i'd pull all for sale signs and traffic/parking activities and sit tight for a few months, until some investigating is done. there is no sense in losing a great domain over a few bucks through parking.
as with many country domains, you are at the mercy of their government, rules, bribes and friendship brown-nosers.

enom however, we have a corporate problem with them at this time, seems to collect ALL names that drop and squats on them, NO matter whether someone has a TM on a name, as it is in our case! We made sizable offers (upper xx.xxx) for a domain that has zero relevance to them. Now the attorneys are talking.

so, all things considered, get your domains pulled from traffic, sit on them and wait what eNom does. Follow the path of the registrar, they are obviously slick enough to know which way to go.

just my 2 cents

ekal · Dec 15, 2006

Clearly they are going after the first level generics as well as some of the domains that are truly infringing.

I don't have any in either category, but I certainly might be following Mike's advice if I did.

Domainate.com · Dec 16, 2006

This is definitely scary. It's one thing if you have a lot of money or are a corporation or something and lose a high quality generic. My high quality generic .in represents a lot of money to me, and it would be absolutely devastating if I lost it to some jackass presenting a faux TM case. I guess I'll whip out a "coming soon" page and will forego the few bucks a month I make from parking from it.

ekal · Dec 16, 2006

Absolutely a good idea - all of the domains that were lost had been parked.

Just put up a simple page with a few pages of text about your subject and some Google Ads.

-db- · Dec 16, 2006

I don't have time to build mini-sites for 200+ Indian domains, so I guess I'll go back to my old system, which was forwarding all the domains to a main site, and just having a simple holding page. No "for sale" sign, no real information of any kind, just a "coming soon" message, and my email address for contact.

I got lots of inquiries and made several sales that way, before I started parking them.

A shame though, because the traffic and clicks on my Indian names are getting better.

domainer50 · Dec 16, 2006

-db- said:
I don't have time to build mini-sites for 200+ Indian domains, so I guess I'll go back to my old system, which was forwarding all the domains to a main site, and just having a simple holding page. No "for sale" sign, no real information of any kind, just a "coming soon" message, and my email address for contact.

I got lots of inquiries and made several sales that way, before I started parking them.

A shame though, because the traffic and clicks on my Indian names are getting better.

Do you currently park your sites? Are you gaining type in traffic for your .in names?

wot · Dec 17, 2006

Probably what we should be doing is exposing those individuals /companies that are circumventing the law/ rules with spurious claims and tm's :?

Maybe make the .in registry think a little more before they uphold these "claims" if they are likely to get adverse publicity.

Just checked Circumvent.in is available , perfect for an expose site , not just for .in :?

-db- · Dec 17, 2006

http://www.iam.in/contact.html

I made sure to include... "We have a wide variety of Indian names, and many are forwarded here while awaiting future development."... but, if I forward all my Indian domains to that page, I suppose I would still be a 'target' because it says I do sell my names?

domainer50 said:
Do you currently park your sites? Are you gaining type in traffic for your .in names?

Yes. And Yes.

wot said:
Probably what we should be doing is exposing those individuals /companies that are circumventing the law/ rules with spurious claims and tm's :?

Any ideas?

wot · Dec 17, 2006

-db Any ideas?[/QUOTE said:
OK - I have now taken the first step and regged Circumvent.in - even has Google 800+ for Circumventin
:cy:

To surround (an enemy, for example); enclose or entrap.
To go around; bypass: circumvented the city.
To avoid or get around by artful maneuvering: She planned a way to circumvent all the bureaucratic red tape.

I think maybe a blog would be an appropriate way to set about this :?

We already have plenty of data from the .eu /.info scandals etc to get it off and running.

Have to be careful about regarding libel but if I do it all in my name/ company name - a retiree with dodgy body functions , living in Thailand should not be much of a problem.

Give me your thoughts.

ekal · Dec 17, 2006

A good idea, wot.

Now that all of us are fore-warned, it will be much easier to share information and tactics.

I don't think you'd have any fear of libel with such cases. The facts are pretty damning.

wot · Dec 18, 2006

ekal said:
A good idea, wot.

Now that all of us are fore-warned, it will be much easier to share information and tactics.

I don't think you'd have any fear of libel with such cases. The facts are pretty damning.

I have family here for xmas so will start in the new year - anybody who would like to contribute please gather and retain any info pending launch of the blog.

Thanks,

Wot

zehrila · Dec 18, 2006

enom is squatter, and i guess enom is at back of ovidio in .eu senario and yes directi is also squatter, i got only one .in and it makes 5-6 a day on nd i wonder if i should remove it

godolphin · Dec 18, 2006

This is real bad news! These kind of circumstances occur in any type of investment, but we must deploy a STOP LOSS strategy.

This is the kind of investigation i was recommending in my earlier posts. Thanks a2zofb2b for sharing your investigation.

And yes we might also have to take off our domains listed at listed.co.in!!!
Can TipsfromtheTop tell us how to delete names from listed.co.in??

We have to respond unitedly.

I think we must on behalf of the Website of WOT 'circumvent.in' write a letter to the Communications & Information Technology Minister Mr. Dayanidhi Maran exposing the tactics of any individual or company and send a carbon copy of the same letter to the .in Registry Head.

What do you guys think?

My view:
1. Either the individual may be roughed up and the domains given back to the original registrants.

2. The concept of registering domains only for the purpose of selling later at a profit might not be accepted at all by the Minister/Registry.

Please share your views before taking any step.

ekal · Dec 18, 2006

An open letter might not be a bad idea.

The point would be simply to ask them to operate according to ICANN dispute resolution standards.

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