I'm seeing a lot of "bad" .TV names being reg'd... - Page 2

Source · 01-01-2006, 12:44 PM

The advice I posted earlier was in response to izopod's correct assertion that people are registering crap domains just because they are available.

Quote:

In order to curb the potential for burning cash, I invite all of you to use the following process when acquiring names:

1. Idea / Concept.

2. Check availability on "dotster.com". They have the most extensions and the snappiest response times. Has your name been taken in many extensions? Is it only available in extension .XX? A good indication of keyword popularity / rarity.

3. Would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.

4. Check the Overture numbers for the name with and without the extension. Again, a good measure of keyword popularity and potential development potential. 50,000+ is acceptable without the extension. If less forget it.

5. Check Sedo.com. Do the other extensions listed for the name get a lot of traffic or bids? If so continue.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/152422-im-seeing-lot-bad-tv-names.html

6. Again, would you develop it? If no, DO NOT REGISTER IT.

7. Go to your registrar of choice and reg the name.

A few other tests I left out of my 7 steps were:

1. MarketLeap.com - test for backlinks and SE exposure. Does the name have inbound links? Is the name already listed in the search engines?

2. Archive.org - review the domains history. If you are hoping to sell coloring books via the domain name, it may be smart to ensure it was not used for an adult site in the past.

Post registration:

1. Measure the traffic and monetize the parking. This can be done easily via a brokerage site like Sedo.com. The more traffic, the more valuable and viable the investment. If you leave your name parked at your registrar, you are just leaving money (potential income) on the table.

2. Optional. Install a whois block. If you register at NameCheap.com, you get this for free. Anonymity is a good thing. Be sure you place it for sale on a brokerage site first. They will need to verify the whois before prior to it being blocked.

3. Lock down the domain via a registrar lock, so it cannot be stolen from you.

I've used this recipe for success over the past year and have registered, developed, and sold several names using it. The technique applies to all extensions, not just .TV. However, one of my more recent .TV acquisitions using this method earned me its regfee in its first 20 days last month and is on par for 5,000 uniques a month. Money in the bank.

Lastly, in no way am I advocating the usage of GreatDomains.com or any other brokerage service; however, they do have their place and utility to the domainer. I personally no longer use GD, although I have listed MANY names there in the past. I have had MUCH success with SEDO and I've been quite happy with their services over the past two years.

Happy New Year everyone.

Badger · 01-01-2006, 01:10 PM

stuff all the "this is the measuring tool for buying any kind of domain" formulas.

If you need to check as to whether a domain has value then you need to get on either the :

Im turning up at the party 2 days late when all the Vol-au-vents have already been eaten bus

or the

How come as a blind squirrel i cant even find my allotted acorn quota bus

For emerging whatever industry you want requires speculation and gut feeling.

Most of the .tv registrations i see here getting regged would be worth their weight in gold in .com and, if you get it right, should and can be worth more under .tv.

izo-pod · 01-01-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Badger

stuff all the "this is the measuring tool for buying any kind of domain" formulas.

If you need to check as to whether a domain has value then you need to get on either the :

Im turning up at the party 2 days late when all the Vol-au-vents have already been eaten bus

or the

How come as a blind squirrel i cant even find my allotted acorn quota bus

For emerging whatever industry you want requires speculation and gut feeling.

Most of the .tv registrations i see here getting regged would be worth their weight in gold in .com and, if you get it right, should and can be worth more under .tv.

Every market has "key indicators".... I'm sorry, but how people search for things and what words they key in the browser are of keen interest to most seasoned domainers.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

What were trying to say is that one should be a shrewd .TV investor. Use the tools that have been thoroughly vetted by most domainers to pick up domains.

..But you can certainly feel free to rely on your gut instincts to buy .TV domains. Certainly the "gut" has some use. My gut tells me that those people who take the time to "get it right" this time, will be rewarded handsomely. Those who do not, will still be making the rounds on the domain boards in 2016 telling people how the "big one" got away from them.

NOTE: You mentioned emerging markets and speculation/gut feel... I hope you're not thinking .TV is going to replace .com. .TV doesn't represent a new technology. Domain names have been around for awhile. The beauty of .TV is that they represent a new "Branding" strategy. Which will fit perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle. If you understand this, then you will make money, if you don't then you'll then be really disappointed when Amazon.com, doesn't switch to Amazon.TV.

Badger · 01-01-2006, 02:39 PM

Shoot, where do i start

Originally Posted by izo-pod

What were trying to say is that one should be a shrewd .TV investor. Use the tools that have been thoroughly vetted by most domainers to pick up domains.

And the people who need to do this, to continue my analgesic theme, are the ones who are under the buffet table right now talking about the time there were Vol-au-vents on the table and some guy came in and just ate them all.

Originally Posted by izo-pod

My gut tells me that those people who take the time to "get it right" this time, will be rewarded handsomely. Those who do not, will still be making the rounds on the domain boards in 2016 telling people how the "big one" got away from them.

Well, this is a little presumptuous, that you are suddenly turning up here telling people, who i would regard in general terms as being very visionary in terms of domains, something new

Originally Posted by izo-pod

I hope you're not thinking .TV is going to replace .com. .TV doesn't represent a new technology. Domain names have been around for awhile. The beauty of .TV is that they represent a new "Branding" strategy. Which will fit perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle. If you understand this, then you will make money, if you don't then you'll then be really disappointed when Amazon.com, doesn't switch to Amazon.TV.

Well, my speculation is that certain areas of the namespace will take over from .com. I may be wrong, sure.. But im laying a small amount of capital on the premise that im not...

And wow, interesting last comment.. ".tv fits perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle" What a great comment...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

So you'll understand my confusion when i see you then compare this to amazon.com switching to amazon.tv.. Bizarre. im interesting to know how this example fits your first and most profound comment..

primavera · 01-01-2006, 02:51 PM

Did somebody call the domain police?

DNWizardX9 · 01-01-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by izo-pod

Every market has "key indicators".... I'm sorry, but how people search for things and what words they key in the browser are of keen interest to most seasoned domainers.

What were trying to say is that one should be a shrewd .TV investor. Use the tools that have been thoroughly vetted by most domainers to pick up domains.

..But you can certainly feel free to rely on your gut instincts to buy .TV domains. Certainly the "gut" has some use. My gut tells me that those people who take the time to "get it right" this time, will be rewarded handsomely. Those who do not, will still be making the rounds on the domain boards in 2016 telling people how the "big one" got away from them.

NOTE: You mentioned emerging markets and speculation/gut feel... I hope you're not thinking .TV is going to replace .com. .TV doesn't represent a new technology. Domain names have been around for awhile. The beauty of .TV is that they represent a new "Branding" strategy. Which will fit perfectly into the next step of the internet evolutionary cycle. If you understand this, then you will make money, if you don't then you'll then be really disappointed when Amazon.com, doesn't switch to Amazon.TV.

you seem pretty narrow minded ;-)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

I think your bubble will burst when you hear .us and .tv start heating up

izo-pod · 01-01-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by JeffM2

you seem pretty narrow minded ;-)

I think your bubble will burst when you hear .us and .tv start heating up

Did I say anything about .us? As far as .TV, I think people know where I stand.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

One interesting observation in all this. What I've said is nothing different then I or others have said before on this topic.

Many of us have been through the boon and bust of the domain market. It's a lot more complicated then just buying a certain extension and "hoping" it will pay off. We've evolved (hopefully) more than that. We use tools to determine "worth". Traffic is a huge indicator of value. It will become moreso in the future. So if you have a "gut feel" on names like "BuyCable.TV" then go for it, but think about what you're passing up in the .TV space for that name.

In the end, no one is stopping you from buying up .TV domains. However don't expect to get 10K appraisals on names that wouldn't even get a bonifide $100 offer on the spot.

DNWizardX9 · 01-01-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by izo-pod

Did I say anything about .us? As far as .TV, I think people know where I stand.

One interesting observation in all this. What I've said is nothing different then I or others have said before on this topic.

Many of us have been through the boon and bust of the domain market. It's a lot more complicated then just buying a certain extension and "hoping" it will pay off. We've evolved (hopefully) more than that. We use tools to determine "worth". Traffic is a huge indicator of value. It will become moreso in the future. So if you have a "gut feel" on names like "BuyCable.TV" then go for it, but think about what you're passing up in the .TV space for that name.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

In the end, no one is stopping you from buying up .TV domains. However don't expect to get 10K appraisals on names that wouldn't even get a bonifide $100 offer on the spot.

as with many of the $5 or reg fee appraisals on the board by people who have no clue what they're talking about.

Australia · 01-01-2006, 07:04 PM

i am reducing my .tv portfolio (200+) by 20% this year, just cleaning out some of the more obscure domains that were "long shots" and focusing on premium "one worders" in 2006.

DNWizardX9 · 01-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Australia

i am reducing my .tv portfolio (200+) by 20% this year, just cleaning out some of the more obscure domains that were "long shots" and focusing on premium "one worders" in 2006.

are the premiums the $500+ names are standard regs? how many $500+ names do you have

Australia · 01-01-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by JeffM2

are the premiums the $500+ names are standard regs? how many $500+ names do you have

they will be $500 and more i have a few selected

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

just watching "meet the press" in aus. meetthepress.tv?

betterdayz4 · 01-02-2006, 03:59 AM

jeff, australia has a serious .tv collection

interesting to hear you are downsizing to quality this year adrian.. a good move as always, i hope you can sell the others.. im also going to reg much fewer this year, its development time for me now.

randomo · 01-02-2006, 05:04 PM

Domain speculation is a gamble, and it all depends on how you view the odds.

I'm bullish on .tv because so many excellent names are still available, "tv" is already a famous and influential entity, and the business world is increasing its use of .tv in its marketing campaigns.

As a math teacher, I like to approach things statistically. Say that there is a 1/5 (20%) chance that .tv will, in the next few years, become 1/5 as popular as .com is now. (Your view of either of those figures could differ dramatically.) In that case, all other things being equal, it makes sense to reg a .tv domain that would be worth at least 25 times the .tv reg price if it were a .com domain.

It costs about $30 to reg a .tv, so (in this scenario) it makes sense to grab a .tv that would be worth at least $750 as a .com. The very best ones are gone, but some of the names I've reg'd in the past couple of weeks would be worth at least mid-X,XXX in .com versions, so I feel good about those investments.

This is all an oversimplification, of course, as it ignores things like renewal costs, opportunity cost (profits you could be earning in other ways with the money that you are tying up in your .tv portfolio), and the fact that a domain would still have some value even if .tv's popularity didn't rise that much and that it could have greater value if the popularity rose more. But it's a reasonable place to start one's thinking.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

Way back when somebody (I forget who now) was taking registrations for .web domains, I picked up about 5, on the chance that they would succeed in becoming the officially recognized .web registrar. Well, that didn't happen, so I lost my bet (and 100 bucks or so). But with .tv names, they already exist and have some value, so this should be less of a gamble.

That's all! Just enjoying the "early-.com-days" feel of the current .tv market.

Cheers,
randomo

01-02-2006, 08:37 PM

and why do you have to again bring my domain name into your attempt at disuading people as to the value of .tv or trying to tell them "you are the only one that has the correct method in choosing names" I own buycable.tv and no i dont think i passed up a better .tv name to get that one. Others feel the same as i have said. When i posted the name on these boards I got 7 or 8 appraisals of X,XXX with one of "Reg Fee" that came from you Izod. Just seems wierd that you put so much disdain in others names and hold yours in such high regard. My personal opinion is like i said "you like many kids on this forum, are convinced that you are the only one who actually knows how to choose a quality name and that the names you choose are the only ones that are going to sell" I am sorry to say but I think you are badly mistaken.

dawg · 01-02-2006, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by izo-pod

Did I say anything about .us? As far as .TV, I think people know where I stand.

One interesting observation in all this. What I've said is nothing different then I or others have said before on this topic.

Many of us have been through the boon and bust of the domain market. It's a lot more complicated then just buying a certain extension and "hoping" it will pay off. We've evolved (hopefully) more than that. We use tools to determine "worth". Traffic is a huge indicator of value. It will become moreso in the future. So if you have a "gut feel" on names like "BuyCable.TV" then go for it, but think about what you're passing up in the .TV space for that name.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

In the end, no one is stopping you from buying up .TV domains. However don't expect to get 10K appraisals on names that wouldn't even get a bonifide $100 offer on the spot.

Speaking of BuyCable.tv, do i sense a little jelousy on you part?

http://www.greatdomains.com/en-def-1...uycable&tld=tv

ATL.tv · 01-02-2006, 08:48 PM

speaking of "bad" .tv's... i reg'd badboy.tv a few weeks ago, it gets pretty good traffic... i know, a little off subject, but, it is "bad".

izo-pod · 01-02-2006, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by dawg

Speaking of BuyCable.tv, do i sense a little jelousy on you part?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422

http://www.greatdomains.com/en-def-1...uycable&tld=tv

Is it that obvious?

equity78 · 01-03-2006, 01:25 AM

Congrats on the buycable GD listing, DON . I have always tried to help people with this extension no offense but .tv is talked about very littel elsewhere on the net and was not much here until I started the .tv thread and RJ was cool enough to create a subforum for .tvers. There are different rules for .tv then there are for most other extensions. Certain things work well like numbers sechs.tv 6 in German gets 40 a day so does SIX.tv and Makes $5 a day at Fabulous. Locations, countries,states things intuitive to tv, technology work great too. THe people on this board are the most knowledgeable people when it comes to .tv we have Elequa who is a good friennd probably has the best .tv portfolio along with Igal from Domainspa post here he has a differnet preference from JOHNTV who I think has a great NICHE in COUNTRY.tv and www.see.tv one of the best developed .tvs for interactive surfers. Watch tv from all around the world on SEE TV. SO It is wide open Buy Cable is not a name that should be picked on IMO is it the Greatest .tv NOt IMO but I don't own it. I liek it But I agree there are great names available this forum has found or recommended many GEMS for Many people some who are ingrates but I digress. Becuase of this forum FFF.tv regged for $200 FIT.tv when dropped recommended to a member regged for $500, Every one thru ten IN german,french and spanish regged I think all those names will pay off SEIS.tv sold for $2700 those names all regged for non premium pricing. Guys liek Badger and AMCY.org have sold three word .tv's for $x,xxxx so find your niche develop it and good luck. IZO CHOPPER.tv I think will be a huge success developed all the best on that one that is PREMIUM.

snoop · 01-03-2006, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by izo-pod

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422
Just think about it: Only the type-in names or ones that truly fit the .tv extension will be able to command any kind of price.

Wouldn't the type in criteria be rather limiting in your search for .tv's? how many .tv receive natural type in traffic? even mega keywords like games.tv look to get very little traffic.

Originally Posted by dawg

Speaking of BuyCable.tv, do i sense a little jelousy on you part?

http://www.greatdomains.com/en-def-1...uycable&tld=tv

I agree with izopod on that one, even as a .com it would be an ordinary name, likely much better names available.

01-03-2006, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

Congrats on the buycable GD listing, DON . I have always tried to help people with this extension no offense but .tv is talked about very littel elsewhere on the net and was not much here until I started the .tv thread and RJ was cool enough to create a subforum for .tvers. There are different rules for .tv then there are for most other extensions. Certain things work well like numbers sechs.tv 6 in German gets 40 a day so does SIX.tv and Makes $5 a day at Fabulous. Locations, countries,states things intuitive to tv, technology work great too. THe people on this board are the most knowledgeable people when it comes to .tv we have Elequa who is a good friennd probably has the best .tv portfolio along with Igal from Domainspa post here he has a differnet preference from JOHNTV who I think has a great NICHE in COUNTRY.tv and www.see.tv one of the best developed .tvs for interactive surfers. Watch tv from all around the world on SEE TV. SO It is wide open Buy Cable is not a name that should be picked on IMO is it the Greatest .tv NOt IMO but I don't own it. I liek it But I agree there are great names available this forum has found or recommended many GEMS for Many people some who are ingrates but I digress. Becuase of this forum FFF.tv regged for $200 FIT.tv when dropped recommended to a member regged for $500, Every one thru ten IN german,french and spanish regged I think all those names will pay off SEIS.tv sold for $2700 those names all regged for non premium pricing. Guys liek Badger and AMCY.org have sold three word .tv's for $x,xxxx so find your niche develop it and good luck. IZO CHOPPER.tv I think will be a huge success developed all the best on that one that is PREMIUM.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422
Thanks for your opinions i appreciate the insight. I know there are many good .tv names out there as i own several nice one worders.

SNOOP: BuyCable.tv in my opinion is beyond an ordinary name. Currently there are two ways to truly watch televisons. Cable and Satellite each of which customers have to buy from somewhere. Cable is big business and will be for the near future therefor i think it is a great name. Thanks for your insight

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betterdayz4 NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 154	jeff, australia has a serious .tv collection interesting to hear you are downsizing to quality this year adrian.. a good move as always, i hope you can sell the others.. im also going to reg much fewer this year, its development time for me now. __________________ FIT.tv PORTABLE.tv JOKE.tv GIGS.tv WebsiteDesign.tv BlogsTV.com TapeTV.com Pictures.tw PortableApplications.com SMSmobi.com TonesMobi.com LiveMobi.com Made.co.in Official.co.in Like.co.in

01-02-2006, 05:04 PM	#38 (permalink)
randomo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 3,156 Follow @BetterDomains	Domain speculation is a gamble, and it all depends on how you view the odds. I'm bullish on .tv because so many excellent names are still available, "tv" is already a famous and influential entity, and the business world is increasing its use of .tv in its marketing campaigns. As a math teacher, I like to approach things statistically. Say that there is a 1/5 (20%) chance that .tv will, in the next few years, become 1/5 as popular as .com is now. (Your view of either of those figures could differ dramatically.) In that case, all other things being equal, it makes sense to reg a .tv domain that would be worth at least 25 times the .tv reg price if it were a .com domain. It costs about $30 to reg a .tv, so (in this scenario) it makes sense to grab a .tv that would be worth at least $750 as a .com. The very best ones are gone, but some of the names I've reg'd in the past couple of weeks would be worth at least mid-X,XXX in .com versions, so I feel good about those investments. This is all an oversimplification, of course, as it ignores things like renewal costs, opportunity cost (profits you could be earning in other ways with the money that you are tying up in your .tv portfolio), and the fact that a domain would still have some value even if .tv's popularity didn't rise that much and that it could have greater value if the popularity rose more. But it's a reasonable place to start one's thinking. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=152422 Way back when somebody (I forget who now) was taking registrations for .web domains, I picked up about 5, on the chance that they would succeed in becoming the officially recognized .web registrar. Well, that didn't happen, so I lost my bet (and 100 bucks or so). But with .tv names, they already exist and have some value, so this should be less of a gamble. That's all! Just enjoying the "early-.com-days" feel of the current .tv market. Cheers, randomo __________________ See my domains, grouped by category, at BetterDomains.net - reseller offers welcome! Follow me at Facebook or Twitter - I'm "BetterDomains" at both places. Last edited by randomo; 01-02-2006 at 05:17 PM.

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01-03-2006, 01:25 AM	#43 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,631	Congrats on the buycable GD listing, DON . I have always tried to help people with this extension no offense but .tv is talked about very littel elsewhere on the net and was not much here until I started the .tv thread and RJ was cool enough to create a subforum for .tvers. There are different rules for .tv then there are for most other extensions. Certain things work well like numbers sechs.tv 6 in German gets 40 a day so does SIX.tv and Makes $5 a day at Fabulous. Locations, countries,states things intuitive to tv, technology work great too. THe people on this board are the most knowledgeable people when it comes to .tv we have Elequa who is a good friennd probably has the best .tv portfolio along with Igal from Domainspa post here he has a differnet preference from JOHNTV who I think has a great NICHE in COUNTRY.tv and www.see.tv one of the best developed .tvs for interactive surfers. Watch tv from all around the world on SEE TV. SO It is wide open Buy Cable is not a name that should be picked on IMO is it the Greatest .tv NOt IMO but I don't own it. I liek it But I agree there are great names available this forum has found or recommended many GEMS for Many people some who are ingrates but I digress. Becuase of this forum FFF.tv regged for $200 FIT.tv when dropped recommended to a member regged for $500, Every one thru ten IN german,french and spanish regged I think all those names will pay off SEIS.tv sold for $2700 those names all regged for non premium pricing. Guys liek Badger and AMCY.org have sold three word .tv's for $x,xxxx so find your niche develop it and good luck. IZO CHOPPER.tv I think will be a huge success developed all the best on that one that is PREMIUM. __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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primavera NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 526	Did somebody call the domain police?

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Australia Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 404	i am reducing my .tv portfolio (200+) by 20% this year, just cleaning out some of the more obscure domains that were "long shots" and focusing on premium "one worders" in 2006.

01-02-2006, 08:37 PM	#39 (permalink)
donlee Guest Posts: n/a	and why do you have to again bring my domain name into your attempt at disuading people as to the value of .tv or trying to tell them "you are the only one that has the correct method in choosing names" I own buycable.tv and no i dont think i passed up a better .tv name to get that one. Others feel the same as i have said. When i posted the name on these boards I got 7 or 8 appraisals of X,XXX with one of "Reg Fee" that came from you Izod. Just seems wierd that you put so much disdain in others names and hold yours in such high regard. My personal opinion is like i said "you like many kids on this forum, are convinced that you are the only one who actually knows how to choose a quality name and that the names you choose are the only ones that are going to sell" I am sorry to say but I think you are badly mistaken.

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