NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)? - Page 6

IAmAllanShore · 04-08-2007, 09:18 PM

Adding the list of available .info's

-Allan

champ_rock · 04-09-2007, 02:47 AM

thanks for the list.. reps for u

RJ · 12-03-2008, 04:47 PM

reopened

paxton · 12-03-2008, 05:04 PM

It's been a long while, but I'm kickstarting this topic back up (thanks, RJ!). 4-Digit Domains (NNNN) have come a long way in a few short years. Most of the growth has been with the NNNN.com domains, which had been trading for $500-700 minimum earlier this year -- but seems to have dropped a notch with the slumping economy (recent sales in the $450+ range).

The names that have been very hard to track & follow are the NNNN.net domains. It seems that there just are not too many sales (reported at least) and that owners are content to hold. If the 10% rule holds true, that .NET domains are worth approx. 10% of their .COM counterparts, then the reseller price floor for NNNN.net domains should be around $45-50. However the market seems to be a little bit behind.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/104068-numb3rs-what-s-deal-4-digit.html

To get a better idea for myself and the rest of numeric domain investors, I will use this thread to track just NNNN.net domains. If you come across any NNNN.net sales, please post them here!

After doing some research, this is all I could find so far for 2008:

3766.net $30 bazaar.AfterNic.com Feb-08

2914.net $35 NamePros, May-08

1835.net $35 NamePros, May-08

6619.net $32 NamePros, May-08

2563.net $30 DNF, June-08

8945.net $35 NamePros, Sept-08

0711.net $365 Sedo Auction, Sept-08

1888.net $1,000 Sedo Auction, Sept-08

8191.net $60 Sedo Auction, May-08

5999.net $170 Sedo Auction, Dec-08

2400.net $120 Sedo Numeric Auction, Dec-08

Dean · 12-03-2008, 05:21 PM

NNNN.org is also approaching buyout now with around 90% taken I believe.

onspec · 12-09-2008, 11:31 AM

Great to see this thread re-opened.

There's a ton of activity taking place around the world - from new hardware and devices to improved browsers, lower cost/better value wireless data plans, mobile advertising, more and more quality mobile web sites and increased awareness, acceptance and use of numeric domains.

I have been a bit remiss on my numeric domains blog but am now back in the saddle. If you haven't had a chance, I invite you to visit via the link in my sig.

Cheers,

-REECE- · 12-09-2008, 11:51 AM

Nice blog you have there Scott

I just blogged yesterday myself about cell phones and subscribers nearing 4B. Definitely see a very bright future for short numeric domains

Originally Posted by onspec

Great to see this thread re-opened.

There's a ton of activity taking place around the world - from new hardware and devices to improved browsers, lower cost/better value wireless data plans, mobile advertising, more and more quality mobile web sites and increased awareness, acceptance and use of numeric domains.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

I have been a bit remiss on my numeric domains blog but am now back in the saddle. If you haven't had a chance, I invite you to visit via the link in my sig.

Cheers,

onspec · 12-10-2008, 05:21 AM

Thx Reece. Will check yours out as well.

Cheers,

paxton · 01-10-2009, 05:02 PM

The first reported NNNN.net sale of 2009 should be 1453.net, which is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $100.

Auction Link

IAmAllanShore · 01-10-2009, 10:38 PM

An oldie but goody

Glad to see this reopened!

There does seem to be a quasi-healthy reseller market for 4# .net's and 4# .org's - especially for buyers from outside of North America. With that being said, I'm still in a "hold" period for any name that isn't a reseller-quality name.

Thanks for the updates, paxton et al

-Allan

mirul · 01-16-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by paxton

The first reported NNNN.net sale of 2009 should be 1453.net, which is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $100.

Auction Link

1453.net
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

Winning Bid: 260 USD
Reserve met!
Auction ended: Jan/16/09

paxton · 01-19-2009, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by mirul

1453.net

Winning Bid: 260 USD
Reserve met!
Auction ended: Jan/16/09

Unfortunately, Sedo cancelled the sale due to security concerns involving the winning bidder.

There have been many fraudulent Sedo buyers recently who issue chargebacks after completing Sedo's escrow. As a result, Sedo has been cancelling a lot of transactions and even suspending Sedo seller's accounts if a high number of sold/auctioned domains are involved.

According to a member of Sedo's security division, the scammers are targeting commodity type names (like 3 character, numerics, LLLL, etc).

Also, 2200.org is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $60: Auction Link

onspec · 01-22-2009, 04:14 AM

360.org was reportedly sold for $25,500 at DNJournal. Nice to see other extensions getting into the mix.

paxton · 01-24-2009, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by paxton

Unfortunately, Sedo cancelled the sale due to security concerns involving the winning bidder...

The buyer contacted me via email (I was the seller at Sedo's auction) and we completed the purchase. The buyer is also a NP member and he honored the auction price. So the first NNNN.net sale of 2009 held up after all.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

onspec · 01-28-2009, 02:49 PM

Well done Pax!

deadzoners · 03-17-2009, 12:10 AM

I've got the tiny little numbers below:

9823.org

1003.INFO
5545.INFO
7701.INFO
8828.INFO
8988.INFO

even I don't know whether the .info worth anything.

tonecas · 03-30-2009, 03:40 PM

hi,

about the use of numeric sites, try this (or better, don't try it. at least use the latest FireFox and/or use google translation tool): www.5425.com

here is what you get:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068
"
This web site at www.5425.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
"

the owner can be unaware that his site has been compromised. if not, what a pity to use sucha a nice NNNN.com like that

i've been scaning NNNN.org (by the way, does anyone now a quick and less "agressive" way of testing the availability of domains without using WHOIS queries? i keep the query rate very low so as not to affect the servers but it take days to scan a 4C domain space).

After almost 4 years and this gTLD keeps having NNNN.org available to reg fee

i guess this is the difference between NNN domains with 10K combinations and NNNN with 100K..

at the moment, still around 1.2K specially in the range above 7000.

by the way, does anyone have a teory for this? "everyone" seems to say that 0, 4 and 6 are bad numbers but what i have seen is that most of the notably sales include them.

i understand the argument about the use on mobile phones but in that matter, how about the number 1? it's useless... in this case i guess that the apetite fot this number is related to zip and area codes around the world in wich countries seem to attribute the low numbers to their principal cities/regions...

regards,
tonecas

paxton · 06-05-2009, 08:58 PM

Some more NNNN.net sales for 2009:

1516.net $278 Sedo, June-09

1535.net $100 Sedo Auction, May-09

5947.net $60 Sedo Auction, May-09

1777.net $90 Sedo Auction, April-09

8866.net $1,201 NameJet, February-09

paxton · 04-24-2010, 10:23 PM

It's been a long while since I reported NNNN sales. For the most part, it's because NNNN.com domains have taken off to the point where everyone knows when, where, & for how much these 4-digit .COM names trade. And with NNNN.net domains, there has been very little to report on...

... Until now! It's been puzzling to me as a numeric collector/investor why the 4-digit .NET names do not trade inline with the .COMs. The .NETs have been at $25-35 for along while, and even as the .COMs have gone from $200, to $450, to $X,XXX for each sale -- the NNNN.net domains haven't moved much, or consistently, for years. I have seen only a handful of reseller sales on the forums for NNNN.net names, usually trading around $30 (or lower). There just hasn't been enough visible buying/selling going on up until this point.

Maybe I have had my head buried under a rock, but it was just this week that I discovered 4.cn. This auction site seems to be very active with numeric name sales. Here are their posted results for the last month for 4-digit .NETs (I converted RMB to USD using a ratio of 0.1464)

2698.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-22
1578.net $52.69 (360 RMB) 2010-04-22
1456.net $99.53 (680 RMB) 2010-04-21
1839.net $58.55 (400 RMB) 2010-04-19
3387.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-18
5665.net $153.69 (1,050 RMB) 2010-04-15
2313.net $95.14 (650 RMB) 2010-04-12
3220.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-12
3605.net $52.69 (360 RMB) 2010-04-12
2158.net $87.82 (600 RMB) 2010-04-11
2186.net $108.31 (740 RMB) 2010-04-09
6336.net $168.33 (1,150 RMB) 2010-04-09
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068
8578.net $55.62 (380 RMB) 2010-04-08
2655.net $76.11 (520 RMB) 2010-04-08
1637.net $76.11 (520 RMB) 2010-04-07
1788.net $212.24 (1,450 RMB) 2010-04-05
1880.net $137.59 (940 RMB) 2010-04-05
9488.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-03-28

It appears that this Chinese marketplace is a lot more active/liquid, and that it is welcome to everyone. There might be some good flipping opportunities.

Has anyone else been watching (or using) 4.cn?

-Pax

DomainOutlaw · 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM

Great read! Thanks!

paxton · 06-18-2010, 04:56 PM

Here are some more recently posted results for 4-digit .NETs (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1464) courtesy of 4.cn

3177.net $76.12 (520 RMB) 2010-06-16
5955.net $128.96 (881 RMB) 2010-06-04
9229.net $212.25 (1,450 RMB) 2010-05-24
4999.net $256.17 (1,750 RMB) 2010-05-24
4666.net $117.10 (800 RMB) 2010-05-20

Some good names with good prices.

chimaera · 06-22-2010, 06:31 AM

Hmm maybe it is time to part with mine, 7997.net. I've held on to it for over four years now ... any views on what it's worth?

Might try listing on 4.cn by the look of things!

paxton · 06-26-2010, 11:21 AM

chimaera,

Both 7 and 9 are very good numbers, and that is a great repeating pattern. Based on recent sales data, I would suspect you would get low XXX at 4.cn. Personally, I would hold on a little longer. I think NNNN.net domains have been lagging far behind their .com coutnerparts for a long while now. Their value should continue to rise.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

Speaking of sales data, here are two more reported 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1471) courtesy of www.4.cn:

8383.net $257.50 (1,750 RMB) 2010-06-21
6131.net $41.20 (280 RMB) 2010-06-21

dmblea · 06-26-2010, 11:24 AM

I was curious if numbers spelled out had any value. I have SixteenHundred.com (although I wiah it was 1900.com)? Your thoughts.

paxton · 06-26-2010, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by dmblea

I was curious if numbers spelled out had any value.

I believe they have value. Every so often, I run a scan on the following domain combinations
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

twentyone.com, twentytwo.com, ... twentynine.com
twenty1.com, twenty2.com, ... twenty9.com
twentyfirst.com, twentysecond.com, ... twentyninth.com
(repeat for thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty, ninety)

All 216 names are always taken, and if by chance one is available - I would grab it.

That being said, I try to stick within this range. Because there are an infinite number of spelled domains. Obviously, some "spelled" numbers domains are going to be a lot better than others based on length, commonality, etc. If anyone has any reported sales info for these kind of domains, I'd like to see it.

12-03-2008, 04:47 PM	#128 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,930 Follow @DomainBuyer	reopened __________________ @DomainBuyer facebook

12-03-2008, 05:04 PM	THREAD STARTER #129 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	It's been a long while, but I'm kickstarting this topic back up (thanks, RJ!). 4-Digit Domains (NNNN) have come a long way in a few short years. Most of the growth has been with the NNNN.com domains, which had been trading for $500-700 minimum earlier this year -- but seems to have dropped a notch with the slumping economy (recent sales in the $450+ range). The names that have been very hard to track & follow are the NNNN.net domains. It seems that there just are not too many sales (reported at least) and that owners are content to hold. If the 10% rule holds true, that .NET domains are worth approx. 10% of their .COM counterparts, then the reseller price floor for NNNN.net domains should be around $45-50. However the market seems to be a little bit behind. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/104068-numb3rs-what-s-deal-4-digit.html To get a better idea for myself and the rest of numeric domain investors, I will use this thread to track just NNNN.net domains. If you come across any NNNN.net sales, please post them here! After doing some research, this is all I could find so far for 2008: 3766.net $30 bazaar.AfterNic.com Feb-08 2914.net $35 NamePros, May-08 1835.net $35 NamePros, May-08 6619.net $32 NamePros, May-08 2563.net $30 DNF, June-08 8945.net $35 NamePros, Sept-08 0711.net $365 Sedo Auction, Sept-08 1888.net $1,000 Sedo Auction, Sept-08 8191.net $60 Sedo Auction, May-08 5999.net $170 Sedo Auction, Dec-08 2400.net $120 Sedo Numeric Auction, Dec-08 Last edited by paxton; 12-08-2008 at 03:08 PM.

12-03-2008, 05:21 PM	#130 (permalink)
Dean Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,714	NNNN.org is also approaching buyout now with around 90% taken I believe. __________________ Free Image Hosting Image uploading Application Random Generator

12-09-2008, 11:31 AM	#131 (permalink)
onspec NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N of the 49th Posts: 288	Great to see this thread re-opened. There's a ton of activity taking place around the world - from new hardware and devices to improved browsers, lower cost/better value wireless data plans, mobile advertising, more and more quality mobile web sites and increased awareness, acceptance and use of numeric domains. I have been a bit remiss on my numeric domains blog but am now back in the saddle. If you haven't had a chance, I invite you to visit via the link in my sig. Cheers, __________________ *Do You "Tel"? Join TelMasters*

12-10-2008, 05:21 AM	#133 (permalink)
onspec NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N of the 49th Posts: 288	Thx Reece. Will check yours out as well. Cheers, __________________ *Do You "Tel"? Join TelMasters*

04-09-2007, 02:47 AM	#127 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,830	thanks for the list.. reps for u

01-10-2009, 05:02 PM	THREAD STARTER #134 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	The first reported NNNN.net sale of 2009 should be 1453.net, which is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $100. Auction Link

01-10-2009, 10:38 PM	#135 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,332	An oldie but goody Glad to see this reopened! There does seem to be a quasi-healthy reseller market for 4# .net's and 4# .org's - especially for buyers from outside of North America. With that being said, I'm still in a "hold" period for any name that isn't a reseller-quality name. Thanks for the updates, paxton et al -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

01-22-2009, 04:14 AM	#138 (permalink)
onspec NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N of the 49th Posts: 288	360.org was reportedly sold for $25,500 at DNJournal. Nice to see other extensions getting into the mix. __________________ *Do You "Tel"? Join TelMasters*

01-28-2009, 02:49 PM	#140 (permalink)
onspec NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N of the 49th Posts: 288	Well done Pax! __________________ *Do You "Tel"? Join TelMasters*

03-17-2009, 12:10 AM	#141 (permalink)
deadzoners NamePros Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 184	I've got the tiny little numbers below: 9823.org 1003.INFO 5545.INFO 7701.INFO 8828.INFO 8988.INFO even I don't know whether the .info worth anything.

03-30-2009, 03:40 PM	#142 (permalink)
tonecas NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 696	hi, about the use of numeric sites, try this (or better, don't try it. at least use the latest FireFox and/or use google translation tool): www.5425.com here is what you get: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068 " This web site at www.5425.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences. " the owner can be unaware that his site has been compromised. if not, what a pity to use sucha a nice NNNN.com like that i've been scaning NNNN.org (by the way, does anyone now a quick and less "agressive" way of testing the availability of domains without using WHOIS queries? i keep the query rate very low so as not to affect the servers but it take days to scan a 4C domain space). After almost 4 years and this gTLD keeps having NNNN.org available to reg fee i guess this is the difference between NNN domains with 10K combinations and NNNN with 100K.. at the moment, still around 1.2K specially in the range above 7000. by the way, does anyone have a teory for this? "everyone" seems to say that 0, 4 and 6 are bad numbers but what i have seen is that most of the notably sales include them. i understand the argument about the use on mobile phones but in that matter, how about the number 1? it's useless... in this case i guess that the apetite fot this number is related to zip and area codes around the world in wich countries seem to attribute the low numbers to their principal cities/regions... regards, tonecas

06-05-2009, 08:58 PM	THREAD STARTER #143 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	Some more NNNN.net sales for 2009: 1516.net $278 Sedo, June-09 1535.net $100 Sedo Auction, May-09 5947.net $60 Sedo Auction, May-09 1777.net $90 Sedo Auction, April-09 8866.net $1,201 NameJet, February-09

04-24-2010, 10:23 PM	THREAD STARTER #144 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	It's been a long while since I reported NNNN sales. For the most part, it's because NNNN.com domains have taken off to the point where everyone knows when, where, & for how much these 4-digit .COM names trade. And with NNNN.net domains, there has been very little to report on... ... Until now! It's been puzzling to me as a numeric collector/investor why the 4-digit .NET names do not trade inline with the .COMs. The .NETs have been at $25-35 for along while, and even as the .COMs have gone from $200, to $450, to $X,XXX for each sale -- the NNNN.net domains haven't moved much, or consistently, for years. I have seen only a handful of reseller sales on the forums for NNNN.net names, usually trading around $30 (or lower). There just hasn't been enough visible buying/selling going on up until this point. Maybe I have had my head buried under a rock, but it was just this week that I discovered 4.cn. This auction site seems to be very active with numeric name sales. Here are their posted results for the last month for 4-digit .NETs (I converted RMB to USD using a ratio of 0.1464) 2698.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-22 1578.net $52.69 (360 RMB) 2010-04-22 1456.net $99.53 (680 RMB) 2010-04-21 1839.net $58.55 (400 RMB) 2010-04-19 3387.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-18 5665.net $153.69 (1,050 RMB) 2010-04-15 2313.net $95.14 (650 RMB) 2010-04-12 3220.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-12 3605.net $52.69 (360 RMB) 2010-04-12 2158.net $87.82 (600 RMB) 2010-04-11 2186.net $108.31 (740 RMB) 2010-04-09 6336.net $168.33 (1,150 RMB) 2010-04-09 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068 8578.net $55.62 (380 RMB) 2010-04-08 2655.net $76.11 (520 RMB) 2010-04-08 1637.net $76.11 (520 RMB) 2010-04-07 1788.net $212.24 (1,450 RMB) 2010-04-05 1880.net $137.59 (940 RMB) 2010-04-05 9488.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-03-28 It appears that this Chinese marketplace is a lot more active/liquid, and that it is welcome to everyone. There might be some good flipping opportunities. Has anyone else been watching (or using) 4.cn? -Pax __________________ Get your own $8.95 eNom Reseller Account PM me for info/questions!!!

04-25-2010, 10:06 PM	#145 (permalink)
DomainOutlaw NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 257	Great read! Thanks! __________________ Scary Movies List / Comedy Movies List/ Flame War/ Sea Monsters/Best Entry Level DSLR Camera

06-18-2010, 04:56 PM	THREAD STARTER #146 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	Here are some more recently posted results for 4-digit .NETs (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1464) courtesy of 4.cn 3177.net $76.12 (520 RMB) 2010-06-16 5955.net $128.96 (881 RMB) 2010-06-04 9229.net $212.25 (1,450 RMB) 2010-05-24 4999.net $256.17 (1,750 RMB) 2010-05-24 4666.net $117.10 (800 RMB) 2010-05-20 Some good names with good prices. __________________ Get your own $8.95 eNom Reseller Account PM me for info/questions!!! Last edited by mis_chiff; 06-28-2010 at 04:52 AM.

06-22-2010, 06:31 AM	#147 (permalink)
chimaera Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,537	Hmm maybe it is time to part with mine, 7997.net. I've held on to it for over four years now ... any views on what it's worth? Might try listing on 4.cn by the look of things! __________________ Go ahead, make my day.

06-26-2010, 11:21 AM	THREAD STARTER #148 (permalink)
paxton Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,059	chimaera, Both 7 and 9 are very good numbers, and that is a great repeating pattern. Based on recent sales data, I would suspect you would get low XXX at 4.cn. Personally, I would hold on a little longer. I think NNNN.net domains have been lagging far behind their .com coutnerparts for a long while now. Their value should continue to rise. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068 Speaking of sales data, here are two more reported 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1471) courtesy of www.4.cn: 8383.net $257.50 (1,750 RMB) 2010-06-21 6131.net $41.20 (280 RMB) 2010-06-21 __________________ Get your own $8.95 eNom Reseller Account PM me for info/questions!!!

06-26-2010, 11:24 AM	#149 (permalink)
dmblea Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, Ariz Posts: 1,908	I was curious if numbers spelled out had any value. I have SixteenHundred.com (although I wiah it was 1900.com)? Your thoughts. __________________ eBuv.com

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