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Old 03-22-2006, 08:49 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Haven't seen any on the big board at dnjournal.com , but have seen the traffic from the non-asian sources finally starting to pick up a touch. For what felt like the longest time, I was stuck with expired chinese/japanese traffic that was almost impossible to monetize, but am getting better results now.
Some ####.org's still avail, although the list is shrinking year over year, and the list is getting harder to check as the bulk whois servers restrict searches.
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Trying my own experiment in the ####.net realm: Finally auctioning one to a US audience
Any updates from paxton, btw?
Haven't seen any on the big board at dnjournal.com , but have seen the traffic from the non-asian sources finally starting to pick up a touch. For what felt like the longest time, I was stuck with expired chinese/japanese traffic that was almost impossible to monetize, but am getting better results now.
Some ####.org's still avail, although the list is shrinking year over year, and the list is getting harder to check as the bulk whois servers restrict searches.
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I am glad to see you are getting some better results. My results are still hit and miss - some days are great while others are not so good. I am updating this thread each month with sales data I can find on NNNN.com domains. Currently, our general variety NNNN.net domains are being traded not too much higher than reg fee.

As for available NNNN per extension, all COM/NET continue to be taken and unavailable to register. The last time I updated available NNNN domains was on 1/8/06 when there were 5,162 available NNNN.info and only 2,607 available NNNN.org domains. Here's a chart with updated figures:
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0000 - 0999	0	0	625	479
1000 - 1999	0	0	142	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	128	3
3000 - 3999	0	0	127	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	798	6
5000 - 5999	0	0	881	5
6000 - 6999	0	0	609	6
7000 - 7999	0	0	441	524
8000 - 8999	0	0	845	739
9000 - 9999	0	0	937	778
TOTALS   	0	0	5,533	2,542
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Hi all....

I've been reading all the posts about 4 digit domains and decided to pick one up. It is 5683.info
5683=LOVE when punching the numbers in on a phone. Googled 5683 and it did get results for LOVE. What do you all think? Thanks
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has nnnn.us any value?

like 8844 or 2233 or 5599 first 2 no same also last 2 no same
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Originally Posted by jaikini
has nnnn.us any value?
I just ran a quick and dirty scan on available NNNN.us domains. As of today (before the drop) there were 8,226 available to register:
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0000 - 0999	934
1000 - 1999	659
2000 - 2999	880
3000 - 3999	942
4000 - 4999	964
5000 - 5999	948
6000 - 6999	963
7000 - 7999	955
8000 - 8999	0 (Reserved)
9000 - 9999	971
TOTALS   	8,226
Over 82% of the possible 10,000 NNNN.us domain combinations are available to register, which is a very large number. Especially when you consider the registry reserves all of the numbers in the 8000-8999 range.
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Based on this data, I would say most NNNN.us have a very low value. The top number combinations would be those ending in "00" (ex. 2500.us), those of historical dates (ex. 1986.us), or those with nice patterns (ex. 1234.us, 7777.us).
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I forgot to update this with March sales data. Here are the sales I was able track in March 2006 for 4-digit dot com (NNNN.com) domains at dropcatchers:

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Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price
1838.com	03/03/06	SnapNames	$366
6015.com	03/03/06	SnapNames	$80
8075.com	03/03/06	SnapNames	$164
3906.com	03/04/06	Club Drop	$100
5336.com	03/06/06	Club Drop	$150
3813.com	03/06/06	SnapNames	$170
5283.com	03/07/06	SnapNames	$131
4181.com	03/08/06	TDNAM	        $95
3067.com	03/08/06	TDNAM	        $76
7598.com	03/12/06	SnapNames	$150
6219.com	03/12/06	SnapNames	$115
3768.com	03/13/06	Club Drop	$180
9202.com	03/13/06	Club Drop	$150
0249.com	03/15/06	Club Drop	$40
4397.com	03/15/06	Pool	        $80
9529.com	03/16/06	SnapNames	$64
3979.com	03/17/06	Club Drop	$170
7561.com	03/25/06	Club Drop	$110
3544.com	03/26/06	Pool	        $110
We continue to see less and less NNNN.com names expire. You can see from the list that a few buyers got some nice bargain buys last month. I may have missed a couple auctions for March, so if you have any other sales to add, please let me know.
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Due to travel and other personal issues, I was unable to keep up with tracking all NNNN.com sales.

Nevertheless, four digit domains remain Hot Hot Hot! Prices keep rising, and more and more people are noticing this segment of the market. Here are a few recent sales:

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Domain	        Auction Close	Dropcatcher	Closing Price
9672.com	08/21/06	SnapNames	$210
9620.com	08/27/06	Pool	        $320
4689.com	08/28/06	SnapNames	$230
8147.com	08/28/06	SnapNames	$173
5079.com	08/28/06	Club Drop	$210
5212.com	08/31/06	SnapNames	$290
I probably still won't be able to track these as closely as in the past, so I encourage everyone to share and post NNNN closing prices as they come across them. That would be great if we could get a group effort to share sales data in this thread, both public and private.

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What would be the value for a nnnn.info , seems info is gaining VALUE.
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What would be the value for a nnnn.info , seems info is gaining VALUE.
I just ran a scan on NNNN.info domains yesterday. There are still 5,148 NNNN.info domains that remain unregistered. So with more than 50% of them still not taken, I can't see the general individual value of these being anything more than reg fee. And with fees for new .info registrations hovering in the $1-$3 range (current promotions) it's pretty easy to see this is probably a better time to accumulate them than it is to try to sell them for profit.

Here's the breakdown on the 5,148 remaining NNNN.info domains (as of 8-30):

0000 - 0999: 478
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1000 - 1999: 0
2000 - 2999: 71
3000 - 3999: 52
4000 - 4999: 691
5000 - 5999: 800
6000 - 6999: 802
7000 - 7999: 626
8000 - 8999: 790
9000 - 9999: 838
Total: 5,148
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...i wanted to ask you if you have noticed an increase in traffic to your NNNN.com collection i know more and more chinese and asia people are going on the net at remarkable speed..... has your ppc increase over the last 7 months????
care to share that info pax?????
Actually, yes traffic has increased. I continue to tinker with PPC for my numerics, and I have discovered that most of my NNNN's (.net and .com) are doing better parked at dopa.com - which is a parking system for Chinese traffic that is based in China. For those that do not know this, web surfers originating from China and other areas of Asia are often unable to see our PPC landing pages. There is internet filtering going on in this part of the world that blocks access to certain nameservers. So many visitors to my numeric domains were being blocked from reaching my parking pages at Sedo, Goldkey, ND, Fabulous, DS, Trafficz, Klickerz, etc.
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After using Dopa.com's service, I now realize that many domains receive a substantial amount of typeins from Asian surfers. I tested a batch of numeric domains (all .net and .com names) at Dopa for the month of August and was pleased with the results. I recommend numerical domain owners try out their service. My hunch is that most numerics would do better using their parking system. I'm not so sure .org, .info, and other extensions would do so well there - but I have not tested them.

My bottom line increase in traffic with this group is approximately 1000% in visitors and 50% revenue. This is comparing the month of August with previous months parked at SedoPro. Averages at Dopa were ¥18.56 (approx $2.33 USD) RPM, with an 8% overall CTR. These are not high ratios, but considering traffic has gone up ten-fold as compared to being parked at othr PPC programs, it works out nicely.

The nice thing about parking with Dopa is that non-Chinese traffic lands at a different PPC page - which I believe is a DomainSponsor page. So it would seem that Dopa has a partner arrangement with them. Also, I was surprised to see how much traffic my NNNN.net domains received. I would have expected my four digit dot coms to receive a lot more traffic than my dot nets. But as it turns out, my top two traffic and revenue earning names for the month were both NNNN.nets -- outperforimg all the NNNN.coms, as well as NNN.coms, NNN.nets and a NN.net that were also in the batch. Overall, of my top five performing domains at Dopa for last month, four of them were NNNN.net domains. Further evidence explaining why all the 4 digit dot nets are regged and unavailable.
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9-1-2006

2078.net
18kt.net Had to point this one out as well.
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9-2-2006

3125.net
5649.net
7374.net
8695.net


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9-4-2006

4105.com *
1678.net
2145.net
4374.net
8806.net

9-5-2006

4630.com *
4219.net

9-6-2006

9848.net
9091.net
4130.net
3614.net
3069.net
1631.net

Here are some that are Available that might be worth giving a try

1961.biz
2051.us
2106.info
2108.info
2112.info
2119.info
2125.info
2128.info
2132.info
2158.info
2132.info
2158.info
2163.info
2166.info
2168.info
2172.info
2188.info
2198.info
2199.info

I just picked up the remaining .us from 1931-2049

1931.us
1937.us
1938.us
2036.us
2043.us
2044.us
2045.us
2049.us
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Actually, yes traffic has increased. I continue to tinker with PPC for my numerics, and I have discovered that most of my NNNN's (.net and .com) are doing better parked at dopa.com - which is a parking system for Chinese traffic that is based in China. For those that do not know this, web surfers originating from China and other areas of Asia are often unable to see our PPC landing pages. There is internet filtering going on in this part of the world that blocks access to certain nameservers. So many visitors to my numeric domains were being blocked from reaching my parking pages at Sedo, Goldkey, ND, Fabulous, DS, Trafficz, Klickerz, etc.

After using Dopa.com's service, I now realize that many domains receive a substantial amount of typeins from Asian surfers. I tested a batch of numeric domains (all .net and .com names) at Dopa for the month of August and was pleased with the results. I recommend numerical domain owners try out their service. My hunch is that most numerics would do better using their parking system. I'm not so sure .org, .info, and other extensions would do so well there - but I have not tested them.

My bottom line increase in traffic with this group is approximately 1000% in visitors and 50% revenue. This is comparing the month of August with previous months parked at SedoPro. Averages at Dopa were ¥18.56 (approx $2.33 USD) RPM, with an 8% overall CTR. These are not high ratios, but considering traffic has gone up ten-fold as compared to being parked at othr PPC programs, it works out nicely.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

The nice thing about parking with Dopa is that non-Chinese traffic lands at a different PPC page - which I believe is a DomainSponsor page. So it would seem that Dopa has a partner arrangement with them. Also, I was surprised to see how much traffic my NNNN.net domains received. I would have expected my four digit dot coms to receive a lot more traffic than my dot nets. But as it turns out, my top two traffic and revenue earning names for the month were both NNNN.nets -- outperforimg all the NNNN.coms, as well as NNN.coms, NNN.nets and a NN.net that were also in the batch. Overall, of my top five performing domains at Dopa for last month, four of them were NNNN.net domains. Further evidence explaining why all the 4 digit dot nets are regged and unavailable.
do you realize this kind of info will fuel the prices of nnnn.com and net domains???? we could be looking at 500 per name by next year,,,
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Hi guys/gals. I'm still unable to keep up with tracking all NNNN.com sales.
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Here are a few recent sales I managed to record:

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4311.com	10/29/06	Club Drop	$260
9104.com	10/25/06	SnapNames	$266
7814.com	10/23/06	Club Drop	$210
6119.com	09/18/06	Pool	        $290
Does anyone else have any recent NNNN closing prices they can share?

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Reviving this extremely insightful thread because I have a few questions:

I own several NNNN.info domains that had been parked at Sedo until I recently moved a few of them to Parked.com. The traffic on one in particular jumped dramatically within a day but, as with Sedo, I'm getting no clicks. All of the traffic originates in China and I know several people have recommended Dopa.com for Asian traffic. Is this still the preferred parking source for NNNN domains? Are there any others worth investigating? Thanks for your advice.

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Of course it's still early, but I do tend to think that the 5 digit domains will be next in this game of supply and demand.
No, it is not too early. Try to find legitimate and popular zip codes. Nearly impossible.

And to think, just a few years ago the domain "experts" advice for domain investors was to stay away from anything that was not .com, had hyphens, or contained numbers.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068

Superb effort and research on your part.
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Still no 4 # .net's available to hand register ( nnnn.net ), but still no mad rush to buy on the end user market nor reseller market (At least not that I'm seeing at the moment).
I know it's been a while since an update - anyone having a different experience than I am?
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as far as i know all NNNN.info are also gone... have not done a thorough scan though
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as far as i know all NNNN.info are also gone... have not done a thorough scan though
No no no...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=104068
Plenty left.
Over 100 available in the 1000 to 2000 range alone.

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